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GooooMarquette

Quote from: MU82 on March 19, 2020, 02:32:41 PM
Amazing article in the NYT. (They have lifted their paywall for most of their coronavirus stuff.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-outbreak.html?fbclid=IwAR3R9APG4C5hw9HIMEMR0Rk3ptSFrmAPUBYcAMSVnRZRzmLMcxNa1Vqlxt0

WASHINGTON — The outbreak of the respiratory virus began in China and was quickly spread around the world by air travelers, who ran high fevers. In the United States, it was first detected in Chicago, and 47 days later, the World Health Organization declared a pandemic. By then it was too late: 110 million Americans were expected to become ill, leading to 7.7 million hospitalized and 586,000 dead.

That scenario, code-named "Crimson Contagion," was simulated by the Trump administration's Department of Health and Human Services in a series of exercises that ran from last January to August.

The simulation's sobering results — contained in a draft report dated October 2019 that has not previously been reported — drove home just how underfunded, underprepared and uncoordinated the federal government would be for a life-or-death battle with a virus for which no treatment existed.

The draft report, marked "not to be disclosed," laid out in stark detail repeated cases of "confusion" in the exercise. Federal agencies jockeyed over who was in charge. State officials and hospitals struggled to figure out what kind of equipment was stockpiled or available. Cities and states went their own ways on school closings.

Many of the potentially deadly consequences of a failure to address the shortcomings are now playing out in all-too-real fashion across the country. And it was hardly the first warning for the nation's leaders.



If that is true and they did nothing to deal with the warning signs, it goes into the realm of blatant disregard for human life...

MU82

#1802
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 19, 2020, 03:11:49 PM

If that is true and they did nothing to deal with the warning signs, it goes into the realm of blatant disregard for human life...

Of course it's true.

And yes.

Also of course ... the head of this administration blamed their problems on the media.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

StillAWarrior

Quote from: shoothoops on March 19, 2020, 11:27:52 AM
https://twitter.com/wpjenna/status/1240654583766175744

A humble request to my fellow 'Scoopers:  Please don't post "blind links." If you think something is important enough to post here for the rest of us, it would be awesome if you'd spend an extra five seconds to type a sentence about what the link addresses. 

For example in this case: 

"This is hitting young people hard too:  https://twitter.com/wpjenna/status/1240654583766175744"

Or something similar.

Much appreciated.
Never wrestle with a pig.  You both get dirty, and the pig likes it.

injuryBug

#1804
Quote from: shoothoops on March 19, 2020, 02:55:34 PM
South Korea and the U.S. had first diagnosis on same day.

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2153BW?__twitter_impression=true

early testing is great how did that get south korea to contain the virus

mu03eng

Pearl Harbor, 1932 Admiral Yarnell leaves his battleships behind and achieves complete surprise on Pearl Harbor in Table Exercise #19. 7 years later Japanese do the same, Roosevelt asleep at the wheel?

Bureaucracy fails, news at 11

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_E._Yarnell
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

Coleman

Quote from: mu03eng on March 19, 2020, 03:23:11 PM
Pearl Harbor, 1932 Admiral Yarnell leaves his battleships behind and achieves complete surprise on Pearl Harbor in Table Exercise #19. 7 years later Japanese do the same, Roosevelt asleep at the wheel?

Bureaucracy fails, news at 11

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_E._Yarnell

Pearl Harbor was in 1941.

GooooMarquette


jesmu84

https://youtu.be/BtN-goy9VOY

Good video to share for information. May be a bit too technical/long for some.

jesmu84

Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 19, 2020, 03:19:39 PM
A humble request to my fellow 'Scoopers:  Please don't post "blind links." If you think something is important enough to post here for the rest of us, it would be awesome if you'd spend an extra five seconds to type a sentence about what the link addresses. 

For example in this case: 

"This is hitting young people hard too:  https://twitter.com/wpjenna/status/1240654583766175744"

Or something similar.

Much appreciated.

Sometimes difficult to do on mobile.  Will try better. Sorry.

forgetful

Quote from: mu03eng on March 19, 2020, 03:23:11 PM
Pearl Harbor, 1932 Admiral Yarnell leaves his battleships behind and achieves complete surprise on Pearl Harbor in Table Exercise #19. 7 years later Japanese do the same, Roosevelt asleep at the wheel?

Bureaucracy fails, news at 11

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_E._Yarnell

Essentially all bureaucracy, business, etc., convene panels, case studies, committees to look into an issue. They write up a detailed report, plan of action, and changes that need to be made. Those in charge say thanks, never read it and file it away. Rinse/wash/repeat every year.

GooooMarquette

Quote from: jesmu84 on March 19, 2020, 03:56:44 PM
https://youtu.be/BtN-goy9VOY

Good video to share for information. May be a bit too technical/long for some.


Very well made video. Thanks for sharing.

shoothoops


forgetful

Quote from: shoothoops on March 19, 2020, 04:47:33 PM
Senator Burr (Intel Chair) sells $1.6 million of stock in one day, a week before markets tank.

https://twitter.com/RobertFaturechi/status/1240746141236359168?s=19

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1240669835790557184?s=19

I wonder how many of our politicians did things similar. They were privy to a lot of information before the rest of the world.

There should be no wonder why so many of them get rich in office.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 19, 2020, 04:35:15 PM

Very well made video. Thanks for sharing.

Their entire library of videos is pretty awesome.

Great way to spend some quarantine time!

Marquette Gyros

Quote from: forgetful on March 19, 2020, 05:10:23 PM
I wonder how many of our politicians did things similar. They were privy to a lot of information before the rest of the world.

There should be no wonder why so many of them get rich in office.

This is such bullshit and should be grounds for immediate removal from office.

The first report of congressional insider trading (NPR way back in '03/'04 or so) sowed so much distrust in government for so many, including me.

The fact that this continues is incredible.  How is it still allowed to happen?  Oh right, because these guys make the rules.

FOH.

jesmu84

Quote from: Jockey on March 19, 2020, 11:17:28 AM
Many of us are. Hopefully, most of us are. But there are still many actively fighting against protective measures. In Kansas yesterday, the legislature took away many of the governor's powers to act against the virus after she closed schools for the rest of the semester.

They even specifically included language that guns cannot be confiscated. Methinks their priorities might be a bit off kilter.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/kansas/articles/2020-03-18/gop-right-pushes-back-on-kansas-governor-for-closing-schools

I didn't see much chatter on this, but it is absolutely abhorrent.

Truly, truly evil stuff.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: Marquette Gyros on March 19, 2020, 06:14:17 PM
This is such bullcrap and should be grounds for immediate removal from office.

The first report of congressional insider trading (NPR way back in '03/'04 or so) sowed so much distrust in government for so many, including me.

The fact that this continues is incredible.  How is it still allowed to happen?  Oh right, because these guys make the rules.

FOH.

You hate to see it.  Guess these fellas didn't read their history.  18th Century France comes to mind.

I'm not advocating violence, since I'm a rational person...

MU82

Quote from: Marquette Gyros on March 19, 2020, 06:14:17 PM
This is such bullcrap and should be grounds for immediate removal from office.

The first report of congressional insider trading (NPR way back in '03/'04 or so) sowed so much distrust in government for so many, including me.

The fact that this continues is incredible.  How is it still allowed to happen?  Oh right, because these guys make the rules.

FOH.

Hell, every time the main man tweets, the markets move. I can only wonder how many family members and cronies he tips off the night before each time.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Jay Bee

I'm on the map!

Someone in my building (300+ unit apartment building in downtown Mpls) has COVID-19. The CDC is aware of the case so my address should be on the virus maps. Potential exposure areas include the elevator and lobby, both of which where I have been.

They've been wiping things down quite often for the past 8 days, and are bringing in a third party to do a deep clean... but, yeah... getting a little to close to home... and getting literally to home.
The portal is NOT closed.

MU82

From the NYT:

Don't forget Mr. Romney was the candidate who argued in 2012 that 47 percent of Americans were effectively government parasites, looking for "big gifts" and "free stuff." He famously argued against the bailout of the auto industry in an Op-Ed titled "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt."

Now he's handing out cash.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

skianth16

Quote from: MU82 on March 19, 2020, 06:53:02 PM
From the NYT:

Don't forget Mr. Romney was the candidate who argued in 2012 that 47 percent of Americans were effectively government parasites, looking for "big gifts" and "free stuff." He famously argued against the bailout of the auto industry in an Op-Ed titled "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt."

Now he's handing out cash.


Slight difference between the current scenario and the common, everyday scenario. It might even call for solutions we wouldn't normally call for on a regular basis. Whodathunk?

MU82

Quote from: skianth16 on March 19, 2020, 07:05:48 PM
Slight difference between the current scenario and the common, everyday scenario. It might even call for solutions we wouldn't normally call for on a regular basis. Whodathunk?

I get what you're saying, although the Great Recession wasn't a "common, everyday scenario."
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

The Sultan

Quote from: Jay Bee on March 19, 2020, 06:51:01 PM
I'm on the map!

Someone in my building (300+ unit apartment building in downtown Mpls) has COVID-19. The CDC is aware of the case so my address should be on the virus maps. Potential exposure areas include the elevator and lobby, both of which where I have been.

They've been wiping things down quite often for the past 8 days, and are bringing in a third party to do a deep clean... but, yeah... getting a little to close to home... and getting literally to home.

Oof. Are you under quarantine?
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

skianth16

California health officials estimate half their population, 25.5 million people, could be infected in the next 2 months. I've been skeptical of projections this whole time, but this one strikes me as borderline irresponsible. Maybe an attempt to get disproportionate federal aid? I have a hard time believing that California officials truly believe it's likely that their state will represent a more than 100x increase in cases in just 8 weeks.

https://abc7.com/6028718/

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