COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[Galway Eagle]

Utah hospitals discussing plan to ration ICU care with governor as coronavirus cases surge in the state

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/522707-utah-hospitals-plan-on-rationing-care-as-coronavirus-cases-surge-in-the

Hospitals in Utah could soon be forced to begin prioritizing younger COVID-19 patients over older ones in some cases amid a surging rate of hospitalizations from the virus in the state, according to a plan presented to Utah's governor on Thursday.

Hospital administrators in the state told Gov. Gary Herbert (R) that they could ask him to approve a plan in the coming weeks that would take drastic steps to reduce intensive care unit (ICU) admissions in the event of hospital ICUs being overwhelmed, which they said was a serious possibility in the days ahead.

A state official told The Hill that the specifics of the plan were not presented to Herbert, but that he was advised that hospitals would likely have to enact a plan to deal with at-capacity ICUs in the coming weeks.

If ICUs are nearing capacity, patients who are not seen to be improving even with intensive care will be asked to consider moving to a regular hospital bed. Doctors will also be asked to clearly communicate with patients about do-not-resuscitate orders.

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It did not have to come to this....

This is the original fear with this virus. It wasn't death toll or lasting damage, if you recall it was the likelihood that it'd force hospitals to start making judgement calls on who can we save based on availability of beds and how that could cripple us.

[Pakuni]

This is the original fear with this virus. It wasn't death toll or lasting damage, if you recall it was the likelihood that it'd force hospitals to start making judgement calls on who can we save based on availability of beds and how that could cripple us.

Well, we've finally got our death panels.
Thanks, Obama!

[MU82]

POTUS, who has been railing about "censorship" by social media companies, twitted out this today:

“We have made tremendous progress with the China Virus, but the Fake News refuses to talk about it this close to the Election. COVID, COVID, COVID is being used by them, in total coordination, in order to change our great early election numbers. Should be an election law violation!”

That's right. The president of the United States believes it should be illegal for the media to cover the most deadly pandemic in more than a century.

[forgetful]

This is the original fear with this virus. It wasn't death toll or lasting damage, if you recall it was the likelihood that it'd force hospitals to start making judgement calls on who can we save based on availability of beds and how that could cripple us.

But we are rounding the corner!

[ZiggysFryBoy]

This is the original fear with this virus. It wasn't death toll or lasting damage, if you recall it was the likelihood that it'd force hospitals to start making judgement calls on who can we save based on availability of beds and how that could cripple us.

Flatten the curve, eh?

[jesmu84]

Flatten the curve, eh?

We did.

But we didn't/don't have the patience for the needed long-term commitment. And we didn't/don't have the leadership to push us in that direction.

[Pakuni]

Fox News has COVID problems.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-covid-infection-sends-election-coverage-plans-into-chaos

[MU82]

Fox News has COVID problems.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-covid-infection-sends-election-coverage-plans-into-chaos

Ignore. Call it a hoax. Give a never-ending soapbox to a powerful tweeter who claims it’s a hoax. Unsurprising result.

[shoothoops]

PPE:

https://twitter.com/Z_Everson/status/1317157555035082752?s=19

[tower912]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Trump-Administration-ST-Highlights-2017-2020.pdf


Never mind.    The White House has declared victory over COVID.    Mea Culpa.     Shut the thread down.   

[GooooMarquette]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Trump-Administration-ST-Highlights-2017-2020.pdf

Never mind.    The White House has declared victory over COVID.    Mea Culpa.     Shut the thread down.

Page iv was the only one worth reading....

[Jockey]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Trump-Administration-ST-Highlights-2017-2020.pdf


Never mind.    The White House has declared victory over COVID.    Mea Culpa.     Shut the thread down.

Kinda Reminiscent of some guy in a smurf suit declaring that the Iraq war was over.

[GooooMarquette]

Just a couple of days ago, I predicted possible targeted lockdowns as the virus surges. Several people disagreed that we'd see anything before January 20. But...

N.J’s Largest City Shuts Down Again as Virus Cases Surge

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/28/nyregion/newark-coronavirus-curfew.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

It has been barely seven months since Newark, New Jersey’s largest city and a short ride from New York by train or car, began suffering disproportionate losses when the pandemic first gripped the region in the spring.

And it is here that the state is getting a glimpse of what could lie ahead this fall and winter as New Jersey struggles to control an alarming uptick in new virus cases statewide.

On Tuesday at 8 p.m., the state’s first new shutdown order since March took hold in the city by order of the mayor, Ras J. Baraka, a Democrat.

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Other local restrictions I found:

* Indoor dining will be banned in Chicago as of 8 pm Friday: https://abc7chicago.com/covid-19-restrictions-chicago-indoor-dining-restaurants/7414934/

* Denver is moving back to Level 3 "Safer at Home' restrictions: https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/27/denver-safer-home-level-3-coronavirus-cases-rise/

I'll admit these new restrictions are being imposed a few days sooner than I expected; I thought they'd wait until after Nov. 3. Still, I suspect this is just the tip of the iceberg.

[forgetful]

Just a couple of days ago, I predicted possible targeted lockdowns as the virus surges. Several people disagreed that we'd see anything before January 20. But...

N.J’s Largest City Shuts Down Again as Virus Cases Surge

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/28/nyregion/newark-coronavirus-curfew.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage

It has been barely seven months since Newark, New Jersey’s largest city and a short ride from New York by train or car, began suffering disproportionate losses when the pandemic first gripped the region in the spring.

And it is here that the state is getting a glimpse of what could lie ahead this fall and winter as New Jersey struggles to control an alarming uptick in new virus cases statewide.

On Tuesday at 8 p.m., the state’s first new shutdown order since March took hold in the city by order of the mayor, Ras J. Baraka, a Democrat.

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Other local restrictions I found:

* Indoor dining will be banned in Chicago as of 8 pm Friday: https://abc7chicago.com/covid-19-restrictions-chicago-indoor-dining-restaurants/7414934/

* Denver is moving back to Level 3 "Safer at Home' restrictions: https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/27/denver-safer-home-level-3-coronavirus-cases-rise/

I'll admit these new restrictions are being imposed a few days sooner than I expected; I thought they'd wait until after Nov. 3. Still, I suspect this is just the tip of the iceberg.

I was wondering if/when this would happen. I figured we were a week or two away from it, largely because Wisconsin, which won't do it, is the main state that needs to.

In regards to Wisconsin, this is the time of year "snow birds" fly south for the winter. Wonder how many of them will seed new infections in other states.

[Pakuni]

President Donald Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner boasted in mid-April about how the President had cut out the doctors and scientists advising him on the unfolding coronavirus pandemic, comments that came as more than 40,000 Americans already had died from the virus, which was ravaging New York City.
In a taped interview on April 18, Kushner told legendary journalist Bob Woodward that Trump was "getting the country back from the doctors" in what he called a "negotiated settlement." Kushner also proclaimed that the US was moving swiftly through the "panic phase" and "pain phase" of the pandemic and that the country was at the "beginning of the comeback phase."
"That doesn't mean there's not still a lot of pain and there won't be pain for a while, but that basically was, we've now put out rules to get back to work," Kushner said. "Trump's now back in charge. It's not the doctors."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/28/politics/woodward-kushner-coronavirus-doctors/index.html

[Jockey]

Isn't Kushner the same genius who just repeated the rights talking points about blacks not being successful because they are listless and lazy?

Methinks using racist language to convince blacks to vote for a racist is not a plan with a chance for success.

[Jockey]

Not so good news for herd immunity

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54696873

Covid may actually be like a super flu where a vaccine will be needed every year or even more often.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Not so good news for herd immunity

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54696873

Covid may actually be like a super flu where a vaccine will be needed every year or even more often.

Based on virologists takes, this is a really misleading article/headline.  Antibodies always fall off in the timeframe.  The question for immunity is how quickly and for how long do they come back if you are exposed to the virus. 

I don’t know that there is any study yet understanding the durability against reinfection. 

[MU82]

White House could have traced and contained its COVID-19 outbreak stemming from the Barrett super-spreader event. It chose not to.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/28/trump-omaha-supporters-stuck-cold/?fbclid=IwAR1DKONsQF0Mz5zKx95OfXI93QFnyL86TosY_Mv3_Oo-in7HFdXB4cMCdMY

When he called the White House about a coronavirus outbreak, the Indiana doctor expected to get some help, not a “head in the sand approach.”

It was Oct. 1, and Mark Fox, a county public health officer in South Bend, had just learned that the University of Notre Dame’s president, the Rev. John I. Jenkins, had tested positive for the novel coronavirus after attending a Rose Garden ceremony days earlier in honor of Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett. It seemed likely that either Jenkins had taken the virus to the White House, potentially infecting others there, or he had become infected in Washington and brought the virus home to South Bend.

There are long-standing protocols for investigating the spread of a virus: contact tracing, or interviewing infected people about their recent interactions and advising those exposed that they should get tested. There’s also a more cutting-edge technology that can map the spread of a virus by tracking tiny changes in its genetic code. The Trump administration did not effectively deploy either technique in response to what Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious-disease specialist, has called a “superspreader event” at the White House, leaving not just the president and his family and staff at risk, but also the hundreds of people who were potentially exposed.

They simply do not care who gets sick or who dies from a virus that their leader called "deadly stuff" and "more deadly than even your strenuous flus."

They. Don't. Care.

[forgetful]

Based on virologists takes, this is a really misleading article/headline.  Antibodies always fall off in the timeframe.  The question for immunity is how quickly and for how long do they come back if you are exposed to the virus. 

I don’t know that there is any study yet understanding the durability against reinfection.

From what we know about other coronaviruses, it was always expected that we'd see waning immunity after 6-months to a year.

The goal would be to be able to vaccinate enough people that there isn't the possibility for it to get a foothold and spread further. With proper immunization, we can eradicate this within 1-2 years even with waning immunity.

That in part is because coronaviruses do not mutate rapidly enough to overcome a vaccine.

[Billy Hoyle]

White House could have traced and contained its COVID-19 outbreak stemming from the Barrett super-spreader event. It chose not to.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/28/trump-omaha-supporters-stuck-cold/?fbclid=IwAR1DKONsQF0Mz5zKx95OfXI93QFnyL86TosY_Mv3_Oo-in7HFdXB4cMCdMY

When he called the White House about a coronavirus outbreak, the Indiana doctor expected to get some help, not a “head in the sand approach.”

It was Oct. 1, and Mark Fox, a county public health officer in South Bend, had just learned that the University of Notre Dame’s president, the Rev. John I. Jenkins, had tested positive for the novel coronavirus after attending a Rose Garden ceremony days earlier in honor of Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett. It seemed likely that either Jenkins had taken the virus to the White House, potentially infecting others there, or he had become infected in Washington and brought the virus home to South Bend.

There are long-standing protocols for investigating the spread of a virus: contact tracing, or interviewing infected people about their recent interactions and advising those exposed that they should get tested. There’s also a more cutting-edge technology that can map the spread of a virus by tracking tiny changes in its genetic code. The Trump administration did not effectively deploy either technique in response to what Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious-disease specialist, has called a “superspreader event” at the White House, leaving not just the president and his family and staff at risk, but also the hundreds of people who were potentially exposed.

They simply do not care who gets sick or who dies from a virus that their leader called "deadly stuff" and "more deadly than even your strenuous flus."

They. Don't. Care.

What do you expect when cases are spiking to record levels and this administration has put out a document declaring the pandemic "over."

[rocky_warrior]

Well, despite the epic failure that that Covid "response" has been on containing covid-19 infections and deaths, we can hang our hat on the fact that *so far* we've virtually eliminated deaths from the flu (*in the early flu season*)

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

I mean, that's something.

[Skatastrophy]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-germany-to-enter-four-week-lockdown-from-november-chancellor-merkel-confirms-12117056

National lockdowns in France and Germany.

• A 'stay at home' order except to exercise for one hour a day, seek medical care or buy essential goods
• Shutting restaurants and bars
• Non-essential shops to close
• A travel ban between regions
• Closing some external borders
• Universities moving to online teaching

[ZiggysFryBoy]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-germany-to-enter-four-week-lockdown-from-november-chancellor-merkel-confirms-12117056

National lockdowns in France and Germany.

• A 'stay at home' order except to exercise for one hour a day, seek medical care or buy essential goods
• Shutting restaurants and bars
• Non-essential shops to close
• A travel ban between regions
• Closing some external borders
• Universities moving to online teaching

Trump's fault, aina.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Based on virologists takes, this is a really misleading article/headline.  Antibodies always fall off in the timeframe.  The question for immunity is how quickly and for how long do they come back if you are exposed to the virus. 

I don’t know that there is any study yet understanding the durability against reinfection.

Here is a thread with a study link that explains the landscape that’s known today

https://twitter.com/michaelmina_lab/status/1321657834090758147?s=21