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BE POY Watch
« on: January 20, 2020, 12:38:57 PM »
Anybody have any idea who besides Markus and Myles is in it?

What's the advanced stats for them since I don't have a Kenpom subscription? I know last year Powell has a ridiculous usage rate, is Markus' higher now?

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Re: BE POY Watch
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2020, 12:42:16 PM »
After this season, the BE is going to save paper by replacing the BE record book with a pic of Markus.

Powell has been good, but Wojo would have to handcuff Markus for the rest of the season to prevent him from winning POY again.

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Re: BE POY Watch
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2020, 12:42:53 PM »
kenpom has Baldwin, Reed, and Yurtseven rounding out the top 5. I'd add Saddiq Bey. I don't think DePaul or Georgetown will have a good enough conference record, and honestly I hope the voters are smart enough to avoid Baldwin, who's a high usage replacement player on offense.
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Re: BE POY Watch
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2020, 12:44:23 PM »
kenpom has Baldwin, Reed, and Yurtseven rounding out the top 5. I'd add Saddiq Bey. I don't think DePaul or Georgetown will have a good enough conference record, and honestly I hope the voters are smart enough to avoid Baldwin, who's a high usage replacement player on offense.

Completely agree on the DePaul, Hoyas, and Baldwin comments. I think the risk with Baldwin rises if Butler does very, very well in the conference standings. Dude can't shoot tho.

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Re: BE POY Watch
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2020, 01:22:59 PM »
If Seton Hall finishes top 2 in conference and we don't, Powell will be POY. Markus may split it with him (I think they did that a couple of years ago) but if its only one it will be Powell.
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Re: BE POY Watch
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2020, 01:26:37 PM »
If Seton Hall finishes top 2 in conference and we don't, Powell will be POY. Markus may split it with him (I think they did that a couple of years ago) but if its only one it will be Powell.

Because he was preseason POY or are there legit stats to back it up?

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Re: BE POY Watch
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2020, 01:30:35 PM »
Because he was preseason POY or are there legit stats to back it up?

Markus is 4th in Kenpom's player of the year rankings. Powell is 5th.

Markus has been a bit better but not enough to overcome a gap in the standings.

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Re: BE POY Watch
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2020, 02:18:22 PM »
Because he was preseason POY or are there legit stats to back it up?

Here are past winners:

2019: Markus Howard (Marquette, 2nd)
2018: Jalen Brunson (Villanova, 2nd)
2017: Josh Hart (Villanova, 1st)
2016: Kris Dunn (Providence, T4th)
2015: Ryan Arciadiacono (Villanova, 1st)/Kris Dunn (Providence, 4th)
2014: Doug McDermott (Creighton, 2nd)
2013: Otto Porter (Georgetown, T1st)
2012: Jae Crowder (Marquette, 2nd)
2011: Ben Hansbrough (Notre Dame, 2nd)
2010: Wesley Johnson (Syracuse, 1st)
2009: Hasheem Thabeet (UConn, T2nd)/Dejuan Blair (Pittsburgh, T2nd)
2008: Luke Harangody (Notre Dame, T2nd)
2007: Jeff Green (Georgetown, 1st)
2006: Randy Foye (Villanova, T1st)
2005: Hakim Warrick (Syracuse, T3rd)

I figure 15 years is enough, but other than Kris Dunn, you have to go back 15 years to find anyone who won the award and wasn't at worst tied for 2nd in the league. What would be interesting is if SHU wins the league but Marquette finishes 2nd or 3rd and is good enough to earn a top-4 seed. We could see Powell win the league award while Howard might have a shot at edging him for NPOY.
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Re: BE POY Watch
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2020, 02:39:30 PM »
Here are past winners:

2019: Markus Howard (Marquette, 2nd)
2018: Jalen Brunson (Villanova, 2nd)
2017: Josh Hart (Villanova, 1st)
2016: Kris Dunn (Providence, T4th)
2015: Ryan Arciadiacono (Villanova, 1st)/Kris Dunn (Providence, 4th)
2014: Doug McDermott (Creighton, 2nd)
2013: Otto Porter (Georgetown, T1st)
2012: Jae Crowder (Marquette, 2nd)
2011: Ben Hansbrough (Notre Dame, 2nd)
2010: Wesley Johnson (Syracuse, 1st)
2009: Hasheem Thabeet (UConn, T2nd)/Dejuan Blair (Pittsburgh, T2nd)
2008: Luke Harangody (Notre Dame, T2nd)
2007: Jeff Green (Georgetown, 1st)
2006: Randy Foye (Villanova, T1st)
2005: Hakim Warrick (Syracuse, T3rd)

I figure 15 years is enough, but other than Kris Dunn, you have to go back 15 years to find anyone who won the award and wasn't at worst tied for 2nd in the league. What would be interesting is if SHU wins the league but Marquette finishes 2nd or 3rd and is good enough to earn a top-4 seed. We could see Powell win the league award while Howard might have a shot at edging him for NPOY.

This list made me remember how awesome it was to see Jae go to Morgantown and completely outplay Jones to essentially take the award.  So much fun.

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Re: BE POY Watch
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2020, 02:46:37 PM »
Here are past winners:

2019: Markus Howard (Marquette, 2nd)
2018: Jalen Brunson (Villanova, 2nd)
2017: Josh Hart (Villanova, 1st)
2016: Kris Dunn (Providence, T4th)
2015: Ryan Arciadiacono (Villanova, 1st)/Kris Dunn (Providence, 4th)
2014: Doug McDermott (Creighton, 2nd)
2013: Otto Porter (Georgetown, T1st)
2012: Jae Crowder (Marquette, 2nd)
2011: Ben Hansbrough (Notre Dame, 2nd)
2010: Wesley Johnson (Syracuse, 1st)
2009: Hasheem Thabeet (UConn, T2nd)/Dejuan Blair (Pittsburgh, T2nd)
2008: Luke Harangody (Notre Dame, T2nd)
2007: Jeff Green (Georgetown, 1st)
2006: Randy Foye (Villanova, T1st)
2005: Hakim Warrick (Syracuse, T3rd)

I figure 15 years is enough, but other than Kris Dunn, you have to go back 15 years to find anyone who won the award and wasn't at worst tied for 2nd in the league. What would be interesting is if SHU wins the league but Marquette finishes 2nd or 3rd and is good enough to earn a top-4 seed. We could see Powell win the league award while Howard might have a shot at edging him for NPOY.

Interesting to note - think every one of these players except Hansborough got drafted.  Markus should be a lock to get drafted.
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Re: BE POY Watch
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2020, 03:22:33 PM »
If Seton Hall finishes top 2 in conference and we don't, Powell will be POY. Markus may split it with him (I think they did that a couple of years ago) but if its only one it will be Powell.

I can understand the thinking, but its just hard right now for me to see Powell getting the nod.  Powell is on a better team, but Howard shoots better in every percentage, including significantly better on nearly the same amount of 3PA, and then they are basically a wash in TRB, AST, and Steals.  Especially as Howard is on pace to run away with the national scoring title.

But it will probably be the most interesting conference POY race, besides maybe Garza vs Winston in the B10

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Re: BE POY Watch
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2020, 04:10:54 PM »
I can understand the thinking, but its just hard right now for me to see Powell getting the nod.  Powell is on a better team, but Howard shoots better in every percentage, including significantly better on nearly the same amount of 3PA, and then they are basically a wash in TRB, AST, and Steals.  Especially as Howard is on pace to run away with the national scoring title.

But it will probably be the most interesting conference POY race, besides maybe Garza vs Winston in the B10
I was watching the Big East Conference show and they guys were basically saying Powell was gonna get it.  Said there was a good case for Howard, but when two guys are close enough, the guy on the winning team is going to get it.
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Re: BE POY Watch
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2020, 04:14:56 PM »
After this season, the BE is going to save paper by replacing the BE record book with a pic of Markus.

Powell has been good, but Wojo would have to handcuff Markus for the rest of the season to prevent him from winning POY again.

I seldom disagree with you, but I think if numbers stay the same and SH wins the BE, Powell will get it.

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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2020, 04:34:57 PM »
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Re: BE POY Watch
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2020, 05:15:50 PM »
Here are past winners:

2019: Markus Howard (Marquette, 2nd)
2018: Jalen Brunson (Villanova, 2nd)
2017: Josh Hart (Villanova, 1st)
2016: Kris Dunn (Providence, T4th)
2015: Ryan Arciadiacono (Villanova, 1st)/Kris Dunn (Providence, 4th)

2014: Doug McDermott (Creighton, 2nd)
2013: Otto Porter (Georgetown, T1st)
2012: Jae Crowder (Marquette, 2nd)
2011: Ben Hansbrough (Notre Dame, 2nd)
2010: Wesley Johnson (Syracuse, 1st)
2009: Hasheem Thabeet (UConn, T2nd)/Dejuan Blair (Pittsburgh, T2nd)
2008: Luke Harangody (Notre Dame, T2nd)
2007: Jeff Green (Georgetown, 1st)
2006: Randy Foye (Villanova, T1st)
2005: Hakim Warrick (Syracuse, T3rd)

I figure 15 years is enough, but other than Kris Dunn, you have to go back 15 years to find anyone who won the award and wasn't at worst tied for 2nd in the league. What would be interesting is if SHU wins the league but Marquette finishes 2nd or 3rd and is good enough to earn a top-4 seed. We could see Powell win the league award while Howard might have a shot at edging him for NPOY.


So 4 and 5 years ago, a guy on a team that finished 4th won it...and his numbers weren't as dominant as Markus'. That tells me he has a very good shot as long as we're in the top half.

A little additional perspective: He has won BE Player of the Week 4 times this season, was Naismith POW this week, will likely lead the BE in scoring for the second straight season, and will likely graduate the all-time leading scorer in BE history. Powell is good, but at this rate, Markus is POY.

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Re: BE POY Watch
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2020, 06:13:56 PM »
I think it will go to the player on the team that has the best performance.  I obviously want Markus to win it for the benefit of MU, but Powell is extremely talented as well.

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Re: BE POY Watch
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2020, 07:58:07 PM »
Two other factors that may be at play. If it's East coast media people voting, that could help Powell. Also, I heard one national media person say they couldn't vote Howard NPOY because he ran off the Hausers.

Anyone who follows me on Twitter knows that my account is basically a Markus Howard stan account at times, but if it's close, I expect it to go to Powell. I felt like that fix was in when he showed up in his Big East Preseason Player of the Year suit at media day.
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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2020, 08:04:31 PM »
Two other factors that may be at play. If it's East coast media people voting, that could help Powell. Also, I heard one national media person say they couldn't vote Howard NPOY because he ran off the Hausers.

Anyone who follows me on Twitter knows that my account is basically a Markus Howard stan account at times, but if it's close, I expect it to go to Powell. I felt like that fix was in when he showed up in his Big East Preseason Player of the Year suit at media day.
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2020, 08:12:08 PM »
Two other factors that may be at play. If it's East coast media people voting, that could help Powell. Also, I heard one national media person say they couldn't vote Howard NPOY because he ran off the Hausers.

Anyone who follows me on Twitter knows that my account is basically a Markus Howard stan account at times, but if it's close, I expect it to go to Powell. I felt like that fix was in when he showed up in his Big East Preseason Player of the Year suit at media day.

Who honestly said that?

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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2020, 09:45:58 PM »
The same people who voted for Markus over Powell last year will be voting this year. Where was the East Coast bias then?

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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2020, 09:54:21 PM »
The same people who voted for Markus over Powell last year will be voting this year. Where was the East Coast bias then?

Splitting between Powell and Ponds; maybe even a vote or two for Booth or Paschall?

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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2020, 10:20:34 PM »
The same people who voted for Markus over Powell last year will be voting this year. Where was the East Coast bias then?

Did you look at last year's standings?
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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2020, 11:33:51 PM »
Two other factors that may be at play. If it's East coast media people voting, that could help Powell. Also, I heard one national media person say they couldn't vote Howard NPOY because he ran off the Hausers.

Anyone who follows me on Twitter knows that my account is basically a Markus Howard stan account at times, but if it's close, I expect it to go to Powell. I felt like that fix was in when he showed up in his Big East Preseason Player of the Year suit at media day.

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« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2020, 08:38:09 AM »
Did you look at last year's standings?


Did you look at Cheeks' thread showing that our overall team ratings are better this season than last?

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« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2020, 08:48:08 AM »

Did you look at Cheeks' thread showing that our overall team ratings are better this season than last?

But relative to the Big East teams we are still in 5th place.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out.  Powell plays on the best team in the league for sure.  Old schoolers (see MVP baseball convo here) have said they will vote for guy on better team.  I disagree, but depending on your POV it wil likely have an impact on the votes.
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