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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Galway Eagle on January 20, 2020, 12:38:57 PM
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Anybody have any idea who besides Markus and Myles is in it?
What's the advanced stats for them since I don't have a Kenpom subscription? I know last year Powell has a ridiculous usage rate, is Markus' higher now?
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After this season, the BE is going to save paper by replacing the BE record book with a pic of Markus.
Powell has been good, but Wojo would have to handcuff Markus for the rest of the season to prevent him from winning POY again.
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kenpom has Baldwin, Reed, and Yurtseven rounding out the top 5. I'd add Saddiq Bey. I don't think DePaul or Georgetown will have a good enough conference record, and honestly I hope the voters are smart enough to avoid Baldwin, who's a high usage replacement player on offense.
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kenpom has Baldwin, Reed, and Yurtseven rounding out the top 5. I'd add Saddiq Bey. I don't think DePaul or Georgetown will have a good enough conference record, and honestly I hope the voters are smart enough to avoid Baldwin, who's a high usage replacement player on offense.
Completely agree on the DePaul, Hoyas, and Baldwin comments. I think the risk with Baldwin rises if Butler does very, very well in the conference standings. Dude can't shoot tho.
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If Seton Hall finishes top 2 in conference and we don't, Powell will be POY. Markus may split it with him (I think they did that a couple of years ago) but if its only one it will be Powell.
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If Seton Hall finishes top 2 in conference and we don't, Powell will be POY. Markus may split it with him (I think they did that a couple of years ago) but if its only one it will be Powell.
Because he was preseason POY or are there legit stats to back it up?
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Because he was preseason POY or are there legit stats to back it up?
Markus is 4th in Kenpom's player of the year rankings. Powell is 5th.
Markus has been a bit better but not enough to overcome a gap in the standings.
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Because he was preseason POY or are there legit stats to back it up?
Here are past winners:
2019: Markus Howard (Marquette, 2nd)
2018: Jalen Brunson (Villanova, 2nd)
2017: Josh Hart (Villanova, 1st)
2016: Kris Dunn (Providence, T4th)
2015: Ryan Arciadiacono (Villanova, 1st)/Kris Dunn (Providence, 4th)
2014: Doug McDermott (Creighton, 2nd)
2013: Otto Porter (Georgetown, T1st)
2012: Jae Crowder (Marquette, 2nd)
2011: Ben Hansbrough (Notre Dame, 2nd)
2010: Wesley Johnson (Syracuse, 1st)
2009: Hasheem Thabeet (UConn, T2nd)/Dejuan Blair (Pittsburgh, T2nd)
2008: Luke Harangody (Notre Dame, T2nd)
2007: Jeff Green (Georgetown, 1st)
2006: Randy Foye (Villanova, T1st)
2005: Hakim Warrick (Syracuse, T3rd)
I figure 15 years is enough, but other than Kris Dunn, you have to go back 15 years to find anyone who won the award and wasn't at worst tied for 2nd in the league. What would be interesting is if SHU wins the league but Marquette finishes 2nd or 3rd and is good enough to earn a top-4 seed. We could see Powell win the league award while Howard might have a shot at edging him for NPOY.
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Here are past winners:
2019: Markus Howard (Marquette, 2nd)
2018: Jalen Brunson (Villanova, 2nd)
2017: Josh Hart (Villanova, 1st)
2016: Kris Dunn (Providence, T4th)
2015: Ryan Arciadiacono (Villanova, 1st)/Kris Dunn (Providence, 4th)
2014: Doug McDermott (Creighton, 2nd)
2013: Otto Porter (Georgetown, T1st)
2012: Jae Crowder (Marquette, 2nd)
2011: Ben Hansbrough (Notre Dame, 2nd)
2010: Wesley Johnson (Syracuse, 1st)
2009: Hasheem Thabeet (UConn, T2nd)/Dejuan Blair (Pittsburgh, T2nd)
2008: Luke Harangody (Notre Dame, T2nd)
2007: Jeff Green (Georgetown, 1st)
2006: Randy Foye (Villanova, T1st)
2005: Hakim Warrick (Syracuse, T3rd)
I figure 15 years is enough, but other than Kris Dunn, you have to go back 15 years to find anyone who won the award and wasn't at worst tied for 2nd in the league. What would be interesting is if SHU wins the league but Marquette finishes 2nd or 3rd and is good enough to earn a top-4 seed. We could see Powell win the league award while Howard might have a shot at edging him for NPOY.
This list made me remember how awesome it was to see Jae go to Morgantown and completely outplay Jones to essentially take the award. So much fun.
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Here are past winners:
2019: Markus Howard (Marquette, 2nd)
2018: Jalen Brunson (Villanova, 2nd)
2017: Josh Hart (Villanova, 1st)
2016: Kris Dunn (Providence, T4th)
2015: Ryan Arciadiacono (Villanova, 1st)/Kris Dunn (Providence, 4th)
2014: Doug McDermott (Creighton, 2nd)
2013: Otto Porter (Georgetown, T1st)
2012: Jae Crowder (Marquette, 2nd)
2011: Ben Hansbrough (Notre Dame, 2nd)
2010: Wesley Johnson (Syracuse, 1st)
2009: Hasheem Thabeet (UConn, T2nd)/Dejuan Blair (Pittsburgh, T2nd)
2008: Luke Harangody (Notre Dame, T2nd)
2007: Jeff Green (Georgetown, 1st)
2006: Randy Foye (Villanova, T1st)
2005: Hakim Warrick (Syracuse, T3rd)
I figure 15 years is enough, but other than Kris Dunn, you have to go back 15 years to find anyone who won the award and wasn't at worst tied for 2nd in the league. What would be interesting is if SHU wins the league but Marquette finishes 2nd or 3rd and is good enough to earn a top-4 seed. We could see Powell win the league award while Howard might have a shot at edging him for NPOY.
Interesting to note - think every one of these players except Hansborough got drafted. Markus should be a lock to get drafted.
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If Seton Hall finishes top 2 in conference and we don't, Powell will be POY. Markus may split it with him (I think they did that a couple of years ago) but if its only one it will be Powell.
I can understand the thinking, but its just hard right now for me to see Powell getting the nod. Powell is on a better team, but Howard shoots better in every percentage, including significantly better on nearly the same amount of 3PA, and then they are basically a wash in TRB, AST, and Steals. Especially as Howard is on pace to run away with the national scoring title.
But it will probably be the most interesting conference POY race, besides maybe Garza vs Winston in the B10
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I can understand the thinking, but its just hard right now for me to see Powell getting the nod. Powell is on a better team, but Howard shoots better in every percentage, including significantly better on nearly the same amount of 3PA, and then they are basically a wash in TRB, AST, and Steals. Especially as Howard is on pace to run away with the national scoring title.
But it will probably be the most interesting conference POY race, besides maybe Garza vs Winston in the B10
I was watching the Big East Conference show and they guys were basically saying Powell was gonna get it. Said there was a good case for Howard, but when two guys are close enough, the guy on the winning team is going to get it.
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After this season, the BE is going to save paper by replacing the BE record book with a pic of Markus.
Powell has been good, but Wojo would have to handcuff Markus for the rest of the season to prevent him from winning POY again.
I seldom disagree with you, but I think if numbers stay the same and SH wins the BE, Powell will get it.
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Markus is the Naismith Player of the Week
The Naismith Trophy @NaismithTrophy
Securing a 2-0 record for @MarquetteMBB last week, @markushoward11 earns the title of @CitizenWatchUS Naismith Men’s Player of the Week. 💪
Howard averaged 38.5 points with 3 assists and 3 rebounds per game. 👀
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Here are past winners:
2019: Markus Howard (Marquette, 2nd)
2018: Jalen Brunson (Villanova, 2nd)
2017: Josh Hart (Villanova, 1st)
2016: Kris Dunn (Providence, T4th)
2015: Ryan Arciadiacono (Villanova, 1st)/Kris Dunn (Providence, 4th)
2014: Doug McDermott (Creighton, 2nd)
2013: Otto Porter (Georgetown, T1st)
2012: Jae Crowder (Marquette, 2nd)
2011: Ben Hansbrough (Notre Dame, 2nd)
2010: Wesley Johnson (Syracuse, 1st)
2009: Hasheem Thabeet (UConn, T2nd)/Dejuan Blair (Pittsburgh, T2nd)
2008: Luke Harangody (Notre Dame, T2nd)
2007: Jeff Green (Georgetown, 1st)
2006: Randy Foye (Villanova, T1st)
2005: Hakim Warrick (Syracuse, T3rd)
I figure 15 years is enough, but other than Kris Dunn, you have to go back 15 years to find anyone who won the award and wasn't at worst tied for 2nd in the league. What would be interesting is if SHU wins the league but Marquette finishes 2nd or 3rd and is good enough to earn a top-4 seed. We could see Powell win the league award while Howard might have a shot at edging him for NPOY.
So 4 and 5 years ago, a guy on a team that finished 4th won it...and his numbers weren't as dominant as Markus'. That tells me he has a very good shot as long as we're in the top half.
A little additional perspective: He has won BE Player of the Week 4 times this season, was Naismith POW this week, will likely lead the BE in scoring for the second straight season, and will likely graduate the all-time leading scorer in BE history. Powell is good, but at this rate, Markus is POY.
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I think it will go to the player on the team that has the best performance. I obviously want Markus to win it for the benefit of MU, but Powell is extremely talented as well.
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Two other factors that may be at play. If it's East coast media people voting, that could help Powell. Also, I heard one national media person say they couldn't vote Howard NPOY because he ran off the Hausers.
Anyone who follows me on Twitter knows that my account is basically a Markus Howard stan account at times, but if it's close, I expect it to go to Powell. I felt like that fix was in when he showed up in his Big East Preseason Player of the Year suit at media day.
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Two other factors that may be at play. If it's East coast media people voting, that could help Powell. Also, I heard one national media person say they couldn't vote Howard NPOY because he ran off the Hausers.
Anyone who follows me on Twitter knows that my account is basically a Markus Howard stan account at times, but if it's close, I expect it to go to Powell. I felt like that fix was in when he showed up in his Big East Preseason Player of the Year suit at media day.
I think the coaches are the ones that vote. They can’t vote for their own player though .
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Two other factors that may be at play. If it's East coast media people voting, that could help Powell. Also, I heard one national media person say they couldn't vote Howard NPOY because he ran off the Hausers.
Anyone who follows me on Twitter knows that my account is basically a Markus Howard stan account at times, but if it's close, I expect it to go to Powell. I felt like that fix was in when he showed up in his Big East Preseason Player of the Year suit at media day.
Who honestly said that?
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The same people who voted for Markus over Powell last year will be voting this year. Where was the East Coast bias then?
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The same people who voted for Markus over Powell last year will be voting this year. Where was the East Coast bias then?
Splitting between Powell and Ponds; maybe even a vote or two for Booth or Paschall?
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The same people who voted for Markus over Powell last year will be voting this year. Where was the East Coast bias then?
Did you look at last year's standings?
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Two other factors that may be at play. If it's East coast media people voting, that could help Powell. Also, I heard one national media person say they couldn't vote Howard NPOY because he ran off the Hausers.
Anyone who follows me on Twitter knows that my account is basically a Markus Howard stan account at times, but if it's close, I expect it to go to Powell. I felt like that fix was in when he showed up in his Big East Preseason Player of the Year suit at media day.
if a national media person is stuck on "he ran off the hausers" he shouldn't be a national media person. the hausers ran off the hausers or more succinctly, jh ran off the h's
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Did you look at last year's standings?
Did you look at Cheeks' thread showing that our overall team ratings are better this season than last?
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Did you look at Cheeks' thread showing that our overall team ratings are better this season than last?
But relative to the Big East teams we are still in 5th place. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Powell plays on the best team in the league for sure. Old schoolers (see MVP baseball convo here) have said they will vote for guy on better team. I disagree, but depending on your POV it wil likely have an impact on the votes.
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But relative to the Big East teams we are still in 5th place. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Powell plays on the best team in the league for sure. Old schoolers (see MVP baseball convo here) have said they will vote for guy on better team. I disagree, but depending on your POV it wil likely have an impact on the votes.
Yes, it will be interesting.
Another possible factor/question: Have any guys won POY as a junior, come back as a senior and had an even better season, but lost POY because their team fell in the standings?
Don't know the answer, but just as "East coast bias" and BE standings might play in Powell's favor, "reigning POY" and better individual stats play in Markus' favor.
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Powell can have the BE POY, just as long as Marcus gets NPOY
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Splitting between Powell and Ponds; maybe even a vote or two for Booth or Paschall?
This is the correct answer.
Ponds was pre-season favorite due to NYC media hype as a result of how the Johnnies finished the prior season. He remained in the running, without merit, for quite some time into the conference season. His taking a vote, or two, shortened Powell's chances.
This should be a short conversation. Based on evidence, Howard was a no doubt selection last year. Total stud. A better percentage this year from deep scoring at a higher clip and doing it by playing fewer minutes than last year. Full blown elite. First team All-American. Arguably the greatest scorer in the four decade history of the Big East.
That written, Howard needs to rebuild his flash. Sadly, it's the way of social media living. He's expected to be elite. He's expected to drop a smooth 42. He's expected to consistently hit 25 footers. What he needs is one more major moment of hype -- dropping another 50 spot or a signature game winning jumper -- to force the hand of the coaches. Powell's trophy to lose.
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Still a long way to go. Things tend to have a way of becoming clearer over the course of a season. I would hope the team's success isn't an overriding factor unless Powell and Howard are virtually indistinguishable otherwise. Hall does seem to be the best team in the conference at this point, even though they have had some close calls. To this point, biased as I am, I think Howard absolutely deserves POY.
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I appreciate the optimism and hope you're all right. But if SHU wins the league and Powell wins BEPOY despite Markus being clearly better, don't be surprised.
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I hope Markus wins it, and I would argue that right now he should be in the lead.
But who really cares? He already won a BE POY. I'd much rather have any of BE regular season champ, BE tournament champ or S16 run over a meaningless award, and I am sure Markus would too.
It would be a nice feather in Markus' cap to have back to back BE POY the awards, but short of an injury or absolute collapse, Markus is going to be a first team all american. I am not going to get too worked up if he gets snubbed for BE POY. Powell is a heck of a player as well, and right now, SHU is the better team.
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I hope Markus wins it, and I would argue that right now he should be in the lead.
But who really cares? He already won a BE POY. I'd much rather have any of BE regular season champ, BE tournament champ or S16 run over a meaningless award, and I am sure Markus would too.
It would be a nice feather in Markus' cap to have back to back BE POY the awards, but short of an injury or absolute collapse, Markus is going to be a first team all american. I am not going to get too worked up if he gets snubbed for BE POY. Powell is a heck of a player as well, and right now, SHU is the better team.
Can't disagree with any of this, and no, I don't think anyone should be surprised if Powell gets it. In fact, the fact Markus won it last year may work against him ala NBA MVP awards.
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Powell can have the BE POY, just as long as Marcus gets NPOY
Is there any logic to this though? How can you be the best player in the nation, but not in your own conference?
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Is there any logic to this though? How can you be the best player in the nation, but not in your own conference?
Different voting bases with different criteria/biases
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Is there any logic to this though? How can you be the best player in the nation, but not in your own conference?
If Seton Hall wins the league, but MU finishes third and is a top-4 seed in the NCAAs, I can easily see that happening.
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Markus mentioned by ESPN as one the country’s toughest matchups
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28525803/who-toughest-players-guard-college-basketball
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Did you look at Cheeks' thread showing that our overall team ratings are better this season than last?
Voters for that don't care about computer rankings. They do care about conference standings. Only one guy (who won it twice) on a team that finished outside the top 2 has won BE BOY in the last 15-20 years. And one of the two years he won it they made him split it with a guy with much worse stats that played for one of the top two teams. They will be looking for any reason to give it to Powell over Howard. If Seton Hall finishes top 2 and we don't, I'd bet a large sum that Powell at worst splits the award with Markus.
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Voters for that don't care about computer rankings. They do care about conference standings. Only one guy (who won it twice) on a team that finished outside the top 2 has won BE BOY in the last 15-20 years. And one of the two years he won it they made him split it with a guy with much worse stats that played for one of the top two teams. They will be looking for any reason to give it to Powell over Howard. If Seton Hall finishes top 2 and we don't, I'd bet a large sum that Powell at worst splits the award with Markus.
I won't be surprised at all if they split it - you hear commentators, and even THEY seem to be dying to give it to someone else. But I will be very surprised if Markus doesn't get at least a piece of the pie, if not the whole thing.
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FWIW, last night on the broadcast, Tim Miles the color analyst said that he thinks Powell is the BE POY right now.
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FWIW, last night on the broadcast, Tim Miles the color analyst said that he thinks Powell is the BE POY right now.
He also called Bill Self "A good man"
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FWIW, last night on the broadcast, Tim Miles the color analyst said that he thinks Powell is the BE POY right now.
Yep - that's why I said even the commentators seem to want to give it to someone other than Markus.
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Fair or not, I think Powell is the best player on the team in first place. I feel he will win it if SH wins the Big East, even if 0 drops 35 a night.
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FWIW, last night on the broadcast, Tim Miles the color analyst said that he thinks Powell is the BE POY right now.
He was also fired from his last gig for not being very good.
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Has the conference had 2 All-American's in one season since Mullin and Ewing? I think a split is far more likely than some people think. I also think it doesn't really matter and neither Markus or Powell really care that much.
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Markus mentioned by ESPN as one the country’s toughest matchups
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28525803/who-toughest-players-guard-college-basketball
Nice to see this writer giving Markus' teammates credit for their contributions to his success.
I don't get the folks here who minimize our victories because of Markus' dominance. No one says after a big Packer win , "Yeah, but they need to stop relying on Aaron Rodgers so much". If passing Markus the ball, setting a screen for him, and letting him shoot it makes us win, then that is what we should do.
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Tim Miles is still waiting for his voice to change.
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Mike Trout anyone?
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Nice to see this writer giving Markus' teammates credit for their contributions to his success.
I don't get the folks here who minimize our victories because of Markus' dominance. No one says after a big Packer win , "Yeah, but they need to stop relying on Aaron Rodgers so much". If passing Markus the ball, setting a screen for him, and letting him shoot it makes us win, then that is what we should do.
Does anybody actually do that? That doesn't seem like a thing that I read here. I've read that Markus shoots too much or dominates the ball and Wojo does nothing about it, but that is not the same as minimizing victories because Markus shoots too much.
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Tim Miles is still waiting for his voice to change.
Yeah that was... odd. I thought for sure it was a young guy getting his first gig then they flashed that it was Miles and I was confused
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Does anybody actually do that? That doesn't seem like a thing that I read here. I've read that Markus shoots too much or dominates the ball and Wojo does nothing about it, but that is not the same as minimizing victories because Markus shoots too much.
You should hear the dude who sits behind us. It's "COME ON MARKUS!" screamed in fury after every miss, and an equally angry "MARKUS!" while each shot goes up (even if it goes in). I wonder if several years from now and zero MU players with 40 point games, he's going to look back on how his experience watching a generational talent was ruined by his own horrible attitude. Probably not, he'll probably just have a new target for his rage.
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Does anybody actually do that? That doesn't seem like a thing that I read here. I've read that Markus shoots too much or dominates the ball and Wojo does nothing about it, but that is not the same as minimizing victories because Markus shoots too much.
I see it all the time. Not maybe those exact words, but certainly things like "We gotta stop relying on Markus", or "we wouldn't have won if Markus hadn't scored half the points". That's just dumb, IMO.
It's worse if you read stuff outside of Scoop, even from folks who I am pretty sure consider themselves fans.
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I see it all the time. Not maybe those exact words, but certainly things like "We gotta stop relying on Markus", or "we wouldn't have won if Markus hadn't scored half the points". That's just dumb, IMO.
It's worse if you read stuff outside of Scoop, even from folks who I am pretty sure consider themselves fans.
Agreed, see it and hear it a bunch.
Get a big win and its "the win is fine but we need more balance". " We can't rely on Markus all the time" blah blah blah.
Other teams are trying to stop Markus and simply cannot. no reason to take the ball out of his hands.
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I don't really get it either. Markus is by far our best offense. I get wanting to get other guys involved, but I have zero issue whatsoever with Markus putting up 25+ shots a game against high major opponents.
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I think Markus does shoot too much in certain games, but sadly, it is needed for this team to be competitive against similar talented teams. Markus last night was the type of player I wish we saw every game. He made other guys better, still got off 20 shots and we won.
This team can and will be competitive against 90% of the teams in the country and that can be said about a lot of teams out there. Unless Howard scores 60 and makes others better, we will not be competitive more times than not against the elite teams.
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I see it all the time. Not maybe those exact words, but certainly things like "We gotta stop relying on Markus", or "we wouldn't have won if Markus hadn't scored half the points". That's just dumb, IMO.
It's worse if you read stuff outside of Scoop, even from folks who I am pretty sure consider themselves fans.
Take away an All-American from any team and they'd be worse. It baffles me that people gripe about any of that. What would Iowa be without Luka Garza, Seton Hall without Myles Powell, Dayton without Obi Toppin, 2003 Marquette without Dwyane Wade?
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KenPom has Markus 3rd in NPOY based on his models. Powell is 5th. He has Devon Dotson of Kansas as #1 and Luke Garza at Iowa #2.
Looking at Dotson's numbers, I'm baffled as to why he has Dotson above Markus. I sure don't feel Powell is better than Markus either, and the award is PLAYER of the year, not Best player on Best team - yet that seems to be the way these/MVP awards are going.
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Take away an All-American from any team and they'd be worse. It baffles me that people gripe about any of that. What would Iowa be without Luka Garza, Seton Hall without Myles Powell, Dayton without Obi Toppin, 2003 Marquette without Dwyane Wade?
Agree. And this concerns me for next year. Fingers crossed we land Mane.
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You should hear the dude who sits behind us. It's "COME ON MARKUS!" screamed in fury after every miss, and an equally angry "MARKUS!" while each shot goes up (even if it goes in). I wonder if several years from now and zero MU players with 40 point games, he's going to look back on how his experience watching a generational talent was ruined by his own horrible attitude. Probably not, he'll probably just have a new target for his rage.
PRN sits behind you at games?
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Next to Mine Deanes sunglasses.
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I think Markus does shoot too much in certain games, but sadly, it is needed for this team to be competitive against similar talented teams. Markus last night was the type of player I wish we saw every game. He made other guys better, still got off 20 shots and we won.
This team can and will be competitive against 90% of the teams in the country and that can be said about a lot of teams out there. Unless Howard scores 60 and makes others better, we will not be competitive more times than not against the elite teams.
Still don't get why this is sad. We have won plenty of times against good teams when Markus was not at his best. The best win of Markus' tenure was one where he fouled out with zero points. If he is at his best (or even at his average), give him the ball and get the f*ck out of his way. Better yet, get in the way of the other team. And quit your cryin'.
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Agree. And this concerns me for next year. Fingers crossed we land Mane.
Understandable, but next year's team will be a lot different regardless. I'm heartened to see Bailey, Cain, Elliott, and (in limited chances) Sy all able to hit from deep. Garcia will add a dimension we haven't seen since Ellenson (closest recent comparison) and we should still be long, quick, and athletic on defense.
I expect a step back, unless somehow Garcia & Mane both come and play like first-rounders as freshmen. Right now, I'm just happy to enjoy another few months of the Markus Howard Experience.
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chick
Sadly because he is not good enough to carry this group against elite teams. He can single handily beat virtually all of the 7 BE Bubble teams and do it more often than not. I wish he had the weapons around him to beat the elite teams out there. There is no doubt that he is a special player, but he is surrounded by mostly guys. IMO, Howard is not capable of carrying this team against the upper tier teams and that is why I say "sadly".
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chick
Sadly because he is not good enough to carry this group against elite teams. He can single handily beat virtually all of the 7 BE Bubble teams and do it more often than not. I wish he had the weapons around him to beat the elite teams out there. There is no doubt that he is a special player, but he is surrounded by mostly guys. IMO, Howard is not capable of carrying this team against the upper tier teams and that is why I say "sadly".
ask Jay Wright
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I see it all the time. Not maybe those exact words, but certainly things like "We gotta stop relying on Markus", or "we wouldn't have won if Markus hadn't scored half the points". That's just dumb, IMO.
It's worse if you read stuff outside of Scoop, even from folks who I am pretty sure consider themselves fans.
I guess I don’t view it as a dumb opinion. I believe Paint Touches or AE had an article that came to the conclusion where having an efficient high-usage player can be very good, but carries a lot of risk game to game.
We’ve had trouble with St Johns the last few years, and I don’t think it’s any coincidence that Markus also has struggled against them. As a team, we very much go as Markus goes.
I feel people are making those comments because in the tournament or against better teams, Markus may not be able to have the efficient, high usage game he usually does. I think up until recently, in KenPom “A” games, he wasn’t very efficient.
The good news is on this stretch of 3 wins, Markus has been very good, and Koby, Jayce, and Sacar also seem to be settling into their roles.
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lawdog
Please note that I was referring to elite teams. Jay has an elite program, but not an elite team this year. That is why I noted that Howard can handle the teams in BE, aside from SH, this year. Nova is a beatable team this year.
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lawdog
Please note that I was referring to elite teams. Jay has an elite program, but not an elite team this year. That is why I noted that Howard can handle the teams in BE, aside from SH, this year. Nova is a beatable team this year.
they are top 10. Might even be top 5 by end of year. They are the most elite team we have played this year , in my opinion
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lawdog
Please note that I was referring to elite teams. Jay has an elite program, but not an elite team this year. That is why I noted that Howard can handle the teams in BE, aside from SH, this year. Nova is a beatable team this year.
The thing is, most supposed elite (by rankings) teams are beatable. Outside of Baylor you can argue for Gonzaga and SDSU just because they're undefeated. But Kansas and Louisville are beatable. Dayton is not as good as Nova. SLU should have knocked them off just this past weekend. Duke or Kentucky are not the usual powerhouse.
Markus is the type of player that is capable of getting hot and taking down the elite. The thing is, he will probably need a 35+ point performance while at least 2 or 3 supporting cast players play above their role. Still can be a team game even if Markus gets the bulk of the shots.
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The thing is, most supposed elite (by rankings) teams are beatable. Outside of Baylor you can argue for Gonzaga and SDSU just because they're undefeated. But Kansas and Louisville are beatable. Dayton is not as good as Nova. SLU should have knocked them off just this past weekend. Duke or Kentucky are not the usual powerhouse.
Agreed. I feel pretty confident saying Baylor is very good. Gonzaga and San Diego State look to also be good. After that, it feels like not much more than a blind guess. Duke, Butler, and Kansas have all looked good, but also shown the ability to trip over their shoelaces. I don't really trust much of anyone. Though it could make for a really interesting March.
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Baylor is playing well right now. But if you watch them that’s a team that is absolutely beatable
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Markusquette
Yes Howard could bring down a top team with a great performance by a couple of other guys. I just do not think that if he/MU faced a steady diet of athletic teams, made up of basketball players, that they would fare very well. When all is said and done, MU will probably suffer a tough loss against an athletic, talented team to end their season. In the meantime, it will be fun watching them against the BE.
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Markusquette
Yes Howard could bring down a top team with a great performance by a couple of other guys. I just do not think that if he/MU faced a steady diet of athletic teams, made up of basketball players, that they would fare very well. When all is said and done, MU will probably suffer a tough loss against an athletic, talented team to end their season. In the meantime, it will be fun watching them against the BE.
I don't disagree. MU winning is contingent on Markus having the hot-hand. MU is capable of beating any team, but I certainly would not bet on it. The team is too volatile to really predict much. Which makes the season as exciting as it is frustrating. I'd imagine most fan bases have a similar feeling about their team considering most have had a handful of disappointing losses and great wins this year.
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they are top 10. Might even be top 5 by end of year. They are the most elite team we have played this year , in my opinion
Tend to disagree. Nova is not the Nova of last years. Who scared you on their team. They are solid but not Top 10 or 5 - definitely feel Maryland and Seton Hall are better.
That aside beating them at home was a good win and our best of the year.
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Tend to disagree. Nova is not the Nova of last years. Who scared you on their team. They are solid but not Top 10 or 5 - definitely feel Maryland and Seton Hall are better.
That aside beating them at home was a good win and our best of the year.
Maryland isn’t that good. They just played out of their minds against us.
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Elon
IMO, Maryland and SH are much, much better than Nova. I believe aside from SH, the BE is a bunch of teams that can beat each other on a given night. I agree on your appraisal of Nova. This is a year to beat them twice, which does not happen often.
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MU is 11-2 when MH is the leading scorer.
3-3 when he is not.
Shoot all you want, young fella.
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MU is 11-2 when MH is the leading scorer.
3-3 when he is not.
Shoot all you want, young fella.
Yup.
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MU is 11-2 when MH is the leading scorer.
3-3 when he is not.
Shoot all you want, young fella.
Word. There was a segment in last night's game where Markus was trying to be unselfish. At that instant he had a quality mid-lane floater at his disposal but tried to force feed Theo and a turnover resulted. Put up the shot kid!
Anyway, what I have seen lately is MU doing a much better job of putting m2N in good position for shots. All of the guards and wings are starting to move the ball much more effectively. Our BEST shot every trip is an open Markus look. (Honestly, it should be counted like a double assist or something.) Our second best shot is a quality shot by one of our other guys. Our third best shot is something forced by Markus when nothing else worked.
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Elon
IMO, Maryland and SH are much, much better than Nova. I believe aside from SH, the BE is a bunch of teams that can beat each other on a given night. I agree on your appraisal of Nova. This is a year to beat them twice, which does not happen often.
The Big East is deeper than any conference besides the B10. The B10 is similar to the BE in that any team can beat anyone on any given night, besides NW and Nebraska who are both very bad. The Big East is much better top to bottom than the B12, P12, SEC and ACC this season. Realistically, there aren't any great team this year and about 75% of high majors can beat anyone on any given night. So if the BE is filled with "7 bubble teams", then so is every other conference.
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The Big East is deeper than any conference besides the B10. The B10 is similar to the BE in that any team can beat anyone on any given night, besides NW and Nebraska who are both very bad. The Big East is much better top to bottom than the B12, P12, SEC and ACC this season. Realistically, there aren't any great team this year and about 75% of high majors can beat anyone on any given night. So if the BE is filled with "7 bubble teams", then so is every other conference.
That alone is why the Big East is deeper than any conference period. I firmly believe if any Big East team was in the ACC, they would comfortably make the tournament this year. The only reason we won't get 8-9 bids is because the league will cannibalize itself.
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Markus has improved over the course of the year . He is playing beautifully at the 2. Has learned how to break free from the athletic defenders . Has developed a beautiful tear drop floater, excellent mid range game and has expanded his court vision to include the pocket passes and hockey assist type plays . Getting cleaner looks on the three and driving when it makes sense . Enjoying it while it last.
The last time I personally saw a kid dominate over The course of the year was about 45 years ago with Michigan State and Terry Furlow.
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Markus' little stutter dribble to split a double team is money. Looks like a turnover every time he does it but it usually results in points. If he could improve his passing from there we could be very deadly
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Playing Markus as the off-guard makes it possible that he does not get hard doubled.....
I am surprised we have not seen the Box and one yet.....
That has given Markus problem in previous years....
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Playing Markus as the off-guard makes it possible that he does not get hard doubled.....
I am surprised we have not seen the Box and one yet.....
That has given Markus problem in previous years....
If one or two of Sacar, Brendan, and Koby can hit the 3, a box in one is not a good defense. Also, Markus would rub his man off of Theo, and that guy would be in serious pain.
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J5
I would take BE bubble teams against Big 10 bubble teams more times than not. The BE is a better conference at this moment. I think we can agree the BE is deep and only lacking a couple of upper level teams this year.
My main point is that I believe Howard could carry MU against a lot of teams and cannot against several teams. That said, he has to be on or get help every game to pull out a win.
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TAMU
I agree with your post. If he can split the double team, without a turnover, and other guys can connect, they can win some games.
IMO, Friday night is a pivotal game for the fellas. I have no problem with a well played loss tomorrow night, but hoping for win. If they can put together a nice game it bodes well moving forward. A bad loss and I am back on skeptical wagon.
Last year I said fools gold and still believe that. This year I said one trick pony and beginning to be swayed. For what is worth, if these guys can play solid for remainder of season I will be far more on the positive train moving forward. I am cautiously optimistic for first time in a long time.
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Heard the fools Lavin and Donny Marshall both claim Powell is better than Markus. Markus is so much better and it’s really not even close. Powell is proving my point this morning. Howard is the leading scorer in the country in a high major league that is the leading scoring team in that league.
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Powell’s percentages are what people think of when they bag on Markus. He was awful against DePaul before hitting a couple shots late. He was average against Providence. He wasn’t especially good against Marquette. He’s shooting 27% from 3 on over 8 attempts in BEast plays. Hes a streaky chucker
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Everyone in the building knows markus is going to shoot...and he still scores 30+ with a mask on too!!
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And Powell had a terrible game. Which surely improves Powell's chances.
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And Powell had a terrible game. Which surely improves Powell's chances.
The PR campaign is already rolling for him. The announcers in the SH game were like “HERE WE GO!” When he hit a 3 to move to 1-6 on the day. Then Miles raving about him in the MU game followed by the halftime feature. Unless Marquette finishes top 2, I feel like Powell is a given. Cause he’s been inefficient and not great since conference play started, and the buzz is still so strong
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Agree with all above about all the hype and love given for Powell to win POY.
Markus is having a much better year. Powell doesn’t make his teammates any better than does Markus - so that argument should be thrown out too.
If we finish on Top 4 in Big East, Markus should get it, but he probably won’t if Hall wins league.
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I think that there's a big east coast bias. I think that there is a promotion in place to project Powell as clutch and Markus as the opposite.
If it doesn't go to the nation's leading scorer (and his team finishes in the top four) then it a screw job.
Kicking SHU's ass in the BET would go a long way (of course, I don't know if they decide the POY before or after the BET).
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The PR campaign is already rolling for him. The announcers in the SH game were like “HERE WE GO!” When he hit a 3 to move to 1-6 on the day. Then Miles raving about him in the MU game followed by the halftime feature. Unless Marquette finishes top 2, I feel like Powell is a given. Cause he’s been inefficient and not great since conference play started, and the buzz is still so strong
This is right on the mark in addition to being utterly ridiculous. I keep hearing how Powell lets the game come to him an makes his teammates better. How does he do this? He isn’t dropping dimes and SHU barely manages to get 70 half the time. In addition to the fact he plays so far under the rim it’s comical.
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Random fun fact: KenPom lists Andrew Rowsey’s 2015 season as a comp for Markus this year.