Texas Fans Done With Shaka Smart - Is His Fate Tied To Wojo's?

[Cheeks]

Don't waste your time debating with Chico's and his 5 accounts here. Exercise in insanity.

Wojo recognized the above as you posted, and that the inherited roster had 7, Top 100 recruits. Wonder why he finally chose to leave Duke?  Because both he and K knew this was a really good program/job. End of story.

Only one, but good try Ners.  The mods can prove this in one second if they wished.

[The Lens]

Never forget that MU ran Buzz off when he started losing (technically going .500 in conf) not when he appeared on front page of Chicago Tribune or other headlines. 

But yes that 2014 season was an incredible low. 

Until 2015
And 2016
And really 2017
And definitely 2018
And actually 2019, too

[mu03eng]

Never forget that MU ran Buzz off when he started losing (technically going .500 in conf) not when he appeared on front page of Chicago Tribune or other headlines. 

But yes that 2014 season was an incredible low. 

Until 2015
And 2016
And really 2017
And definitely 2018
And actually 2019, too

Buzz ran himself off. I loved the Buzz era but that dude was toxic and his last two years he was looking for every way out and it was reflected in his recruiting.

[The Lens]

Buzz ran himself off. I loved the Buzz era but that dude was toxic and his last two years he was looking for every way out and it was reflected in his recruiting.

Yeah, you're right.  I was really worried about what Deonte, Duane & JJJ as juniors + freshman Diamond Stone was gonna look like.  Plus sophomores Ahmed Hill & Shayok.  All that winning in March ( and April) would have been annoying.  You're right, he had zero plan. 

[The Sultan]

Buzz ran himself off. I loved the Buzz era but that dude was toxic and his last two years he was looking for every way out and it was reflected in his recruiting.

I thought his recruiting was fine.  The class of Shayok, Hill and Cohen was considered a pretty good one if I recall. 

[4everwarriors]

Sew Chris Farley could have bin a suitable choice two, hey?

[Cheeks]

Never forget that MU ran Buzz off when he started losing (technically going .500 in conf) not when he appeared on front page of Chicago Tribune or other headlines. 

[willie warrior]

Buzz ran himself off. I loved the Buzz era but that dude was toxic and his last two years he was looking for every way out and it was reflected in his recruiting.

Ah yes...fond memories of the phony downhome lonesome Cowboy.

[Goose]

The Lens

Spot on with your posts. I would have loved seeing that group play at MU under Buzz as well.  Also, agree on a half decade plus of disappointing seasons and not a lot of promise for the short term. Wojo has recruited a couple of game changers and still no March success. That is biggest reason why I am not overly optimistic about the incoming recruiting class. On paper it is a very nice class, but not a game changer.

[Mods, Delete me please. 8/26/2020]

I thought his recruiting was fine.  The class of Shayok, Hill and Cohen was considered a pretty good one if I recall.

Don't forget his success w JUCOs and transfers -- always an option for a Buzz recruiting class.

[Galway Eagle]

Pretty sure JJJ was going to leave had buzz stayed, and there's no proof we were gonna get stone. Plus Taylorand others were also going to leave. Also Cohen never panned out.

That dream team everybody wants is just a fantasy no different than saying imagine if the Hausers were here this year or if Henry was on last years team.

[MU82]

Never forget that MU ran Buzz off when he started losing (technically going .500 in conf) not when he appeared on front page of Chicago Tribune or other headlines. 

But yes that 2014 season was an incredible low. 

Until 2015
And 2016
And really 2017
And definitely 2018
And actually 2019, too

So your contention is that the NCAA tournament teams of 2017 and 2019 were more "incredible lows" than Buzz's 2014 team? OK then.

I say this as a Buzz fan who was very disappointed when he left.

[The Lens]

So your contention is that the NCAA tournament teams of 2017 and 2019 were more "incredible lows" than Buzz's 2014 team? OK then.

I say this as a Buzz fan who was very disappointed when he left.

When making the NCAAs is considered the peak, I do think it's disappointing.

We've gone from 3 straight S16s to hoping to make the dance and little optimism to make noise.  The new normal is a low to me.

[Cheeks]

He looks very clean cut, he's white, and he wins. I really think it's just that he has the look and resume most associate with Duke, regardless of recruiting or coaching methods.

What does race have to do with it?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

What does race have to do with it?

"I'll stand up and be the first to admit being an epic hypocrite on this over the years.  100%.  OWNING IT! The worst at times.  It really should stop.  Most of all, can we please stop with the racism charges and come together?" --Jams

[Cheeks]

Pretty sure JJJ was going to leave had buzz stayed, and there's no proof we were gonna get stone. Plus Taylorand others were also going to leave. Also Cohen never panned out.

That dream team everybody wants is just a fantasy no different than saying imagine if the Hausers were here this year or if Henry was on last years team.

We were not getting Stone.  Cohen was a midmajor just like Taylor.  That was one of the most over hyped recruiting team in MU history.

[Galway Eagle]

We were not getting Stone.  Cohen was a midmajor just like Taylor.  That was one of the most over hyped recruiting team in MU history.

No argument here. Ners' obsession with the HS rankings is ridiculous.

[Elonsmusk]

No argument here. Ners' obsession with the HS rankings is ridiculous.

And yet those of you in the Pro-Jo camp are salivating over next year's class, and citing that as a primary reason to keep Wojo.  You realize next year's class at present is rated lower than Buzz's class with JJJ, Deonte, Duane, Dawson..and Luke Fischer was a Top 50 kid not factored into that class rating.  (You know, that "empty cupboard.")

Sadly, all of those kids played under a first-year coach who really struggled.  Even talented players can't overcome poor coaching.

Call me crazy but I'd rather continue to get Top 10 rated classes filled with Top 100/50 recruits.

[mu03eng]

Yeah, you're right.  I was really worried about what Deonte, Duane & JJJ as juniors + freshman Diamond Stone was gonna look like.  Plus sophomores Ahmed Hill & Shayok.  All that winning in March ( and April) would have been  annoying.  You're right, he had zero plan.

I'd Buzz stayed JJJ was gowne. Diamond Stone was NEVER going to come to MU and that was MUs choice (True story, Stones people reached out to Wojo to see if MU was still interested and MU said no)

I have no doubt that Buzz could have pulled something together but we'll never know because he ran away

[Galway Eagle]

And yet those of you in the Pro-Jo camp are salivating over next year's class, and citing that as a primary reason to keep Wojo.  You realize next year's class at present is rated lower than Buzz's class with JJJ, Deonte, Duane, Dawson..and Luke Fischer was a Top 50 kid not factored into that class rating.  (You know, that "empty cupboard.")

Sadly, all of those kids played under a first-year coach who really struggled.  Even talented players can't overcome poor coaching.

Call me crazy but I'd rather continue to get Top 10 rated classes filled with Top 100/50 recruits.

First, that class was torn apart when Jameel never played, Duane got injured. Then torn apart further when Burton transferred as did Dawson and Luke was riddled with shoulder injuries, not to mention was a traditional center at a time spreading the floor was getting traction (see our current issue).

I never hear you going on about Buzz's lack of ability to develop Erik Williams, letting Maymon leave, Cadougan being average, Jamail Jones not developing then leaving, Taylor not developing, Anderson not developing, that highly touted class not winning Buzz's last year. All top 100s you'd have an excuse for. But when it's wojos top 100s that he didn't even bring in you throw the axe.

That being said I do agree with what you say regarding it's better to bring in more than not because the more there are the more likely you are to find a Vander, Jamil, Henry, Sam and Markus. (Brendan tbd).

Also I'm not "Pro-jo" I'm just rooting for MU whether thats Wojo or the next guy.

[The Lens]

I'd Buzz stayed JJJ was gowne. Diamond Stone was NEVER going to come to MU and that was MUs choice (True story, Stones people reached out to Wojo to see if MU was still interested and MU said no)

I have no doubt that Buzz could have pulled something together but we'll never know because he ran away

Did MU say no or did Mr. & Mrs. Ellenson? 

[WhoaJoe2020]

And yet those of you in the Pro-Jo camp are salivating over next year's class, and citing that as a primary reason to keep Wojo.  You realize next year's class at present is rated lower than Buzz's class with JJJ, Deonte, Duane, Dawson..and Luke Fischer was a Top 50 kid not factored into that class rating.  (You know, that "empty cupboard.")

Sadly, all of those kids played under a first-year coach who really struggled.  Even talented players can't overcome poor coaching.

Call me crazy but I'd rather continue to get Top 10 rated classes filled with Top 100/50 recruits.

They can't be over ranked until they fail.

Unfortunately, due to injuries, personal issues, departure, and in JJJs case, slow development, that class did end up being overrated.

The fact that all the guys signed for next year are bigs with offensive skills is reason for optimism. It would be risky to change coaches at this point and that's not even accounting for possibly signing Mane.

Are you suggesting that because  a highly ranked recruiting class failed in the past, this highly ranked recruiting class with a yet to be determined level of success, shouldn't be considered when evaluating Wojos total resume?

Really?

[The Sultan]

What does race have to do with it?

We all know what you want Cheeks. You're not fooling anyone.

[brewcity77]

Yeah, you're right.  I was really worried about what Deonte, Duane & JJJ as juniors + freshman Diamond Stone was gonna look like.  Plus sophomores Ahmed Hill & Shayok.  All that winning in March ( and April) would have been annoying.  You're right, he had zero plan.

Diamond Stone was never going to come to Marquette, no matter who the coach was. No chance.

[Cheeks]

Diamond Stone was never going to come to Marquette, no matter who the coach was. No chance.

Yup, but memories here are clouded in some parallel utopian universe of wishing vs reality.