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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #651 on: April 08, 2020, 07:23:29 AM »

Dayton adds no money to the conference, just an annoying, obnoxious fan base.

Someone better tell Dayton that annoying, obnoxious fan bases in the Big East is OUR thing

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #652 on: April 08, 2020, 08:22:15 AM »
What do they add in terms of markets?  Xavier already exists in that part of the country.  Dayton is small and inconsistent nationally.  Nothing against them personally, but the upside is small.

Exactly.  Dayton competes with Ohio St, Xavier, and Cincy in that section of Ohio.

And "strong history of success, particularly recently"...they've won a game in the NCAA's 3 times in the last 30 years.  Before the fluky E8 run with Archie Miller, they had been largely irrelevant the majority of their time in the A10.  Creighton had been way more of a player in the MVC before joining.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #653 on: April 08, 2020, 09:49:46 AM »
Off the wall question.

I read earlier this year that UConn AD and other university people were contacted by several schools inquiring about football independence.  UConn personnel would not say what universities. 

I assume no football program in a P5 conference would go independent.  Is there a university that the Big East might be interested in if they went football independent?
Notre Dame obviously although I don't they're leaving the ACC.  Beyond that?

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #654 on: April 08, 2020, 09:55:34 AM »
Off the wall question.

I read earlier this year that UConn AD and other university people were contacted by several schools inquiring about football independence.  UConn personnel would not say what universities. 

I assume no football program in a P5 conference would go independent.  Is there a university that the Big East might be interested in if they went football independent?
Notre Dame obviously although I don't they're leaving the ACC.  Beyond that?

Temple, though I think Nova would object
Cincy, though I think Xavier would object
Memphis, but they can't stay clean.
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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #655 on: April 08, 2020, 10:09:41 AM »
Someone better tell Dayton that annoying, obnoxious fan bases in the Big East is OUR thing

That’s why they need to stay out
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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #656 on: April 08, 2020, 11:22:20 AM »
Off the wall question.

I read earlier this year that UConn AD and other university people were contacted by several schools inquiring about football independence.  UConn personnel would not say what universities. 

I assume no football program in a P5 conference would go independent.  Is there a university that the Big East might be interested in if they went football independent?
Notre Dame obviously although I don't they're leaving the ACC.  Beyond that?

St. Louis would put the conference in another top 25 media market, which is what it might take to get Fox on board.
Not a great basketball program, but fits with the conference otherwise (i.e. urban, private) and is far enough away from other members that they wouldn't be infringing on anyone's territory.
(And I know this doesn't answer your question about a school with a football program).

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #657 on: April 08, 2020, 12:17:01 PM »
St. Louis would put the conference in another top 25 media market, which is what it might take to get Fox on board.
Not a great basketball program, but fits with the conference otherwise (i.e. urban, private) and is far enough away from other members that they wouldn't be infringing on anyone's territory.
(And I know this doesn't answer your question about a school with a football program).

Honestly, again, you take away the E8 run, and Dayton and SLU aren't all that far off.  Since 2000, Dayton leads 7 to 5 in tourney appearances, 3 to 2 in Conference titles, but they both advanced past the first round 3 times and Travis Ford has them moving in the right direction and we'll see what happens when Dayton loses the NPOY.  I don't think SLU is all that different than Dayton, plus its a new market.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #658 on: April 08, 2020, 01:51:42 PM »
Honestly, again, you take away the E8 run, and Dayton and SLU aren't all that far off.  Since 2000, Dayton leads 7 to 5 in tourney appearances, 3 to 2 in Conference titles, but they both advanced past the first round 3 times and Travis Ford has them moving in the right direction and we'll see what happens when Dayton loses the NPOY.  I don't think SLU is all that different than Dayton, plus its a new market.

SLU isn't going to bring in TV ratings and FS1 is already in the STL market. Plus, only DePaul draws fewer fans per game than SLU. Dayton would be #3 in the conference behind Creighton and MU respectively.

Besides, SLU had their chance to get in.

We're staying at 11.
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« Reply #659 on: April 08, 2020, 01:56:29 PM »
Creighton and Villanova 1 seeds.
Marquette next four out.
I found this encouraging. Does the big East only get four bids as predicted in this bracketology? This bracketology considers MU to be the 5th or 6th best team in the Big East, which is far from last place.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #660 on: April 08, 2020, 03:55:08 PM »
SLU isn't going to bring in TV ratings and FS1 is already in the STL market. Plus, only DePaul draws fewer fans per game than SLU. Dayton would be #3 in the conference behind Creighton and MU respectively.

Besides, SLU had their chance to get in.

We're staying at 11.

I'm not advocating for SLU, just stating that they aren't that much less attractive than Dayton.  Also, Dayton would not outstrip Xavier, Nova, or Butler if they played in venues of that size.  SLU could sell out Chaifetz every game, like Butler or Xavier do, and still trail Dayton at 80% capacity.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #661 on: April 08, 2020, 06:51:38 PM »
I found this encouraging. Does the big East only get four bids as predicted in this bracketology? This bracketology considers MU to be the 5th or 6th best team in the Big East, which is far from last place.

Agree I find this encouraging too.
With UConn added The Big East Gets 5 In. Based on this Correct Marquette is listed as 6th place in the Big East Conference.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #662 on: April 09, 2020, 07:21:21 AM »
iF, Wojo can get us to 6th in the Big East and the NIT i will be impressed. Not sure it's fair to expect that.

Yes, that is the new normal for MU.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #663 on: April 09, 2020, 08:07:49 AM »
iF, Wojo can get us to 6th in the Big East and the NIT i will be impressed. Not sure it's fair to expect that.

Yes, that is the new normal for MU.

How is that the new normal when we've been in the tournament (or were going to make it) 3/4yrs?
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« Reply #664 on: April 09, 2020, 08:42:23 AM »
How is that the new normal when we've been in the tournament (or were going to make it) 3/4yrs?

Because the Nojos don’t care about facts.

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« Reply #665 on: April 09, 2020, 08:59:44 AM »
How is that the new normal when we've been in the tournament (or were going to make it) 3/4yrs?

TBF they're the same posters that were convinced that we weren't going to get a bid this year back in November.



I would take bets that this team is on outside looking in come March. Way too many holes and Howard cannot carry a team on his back without a couple more options.

Agreed that this is not a NCAA team, and I don't think it will be much of a debate come Selection Sunday.  If MU is a 8-9 seed, that would be Wojo's greatest achievement.

Credit to JayBee for being willing to throw money down, weird that we never saw a response to that?

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« Reply #666 on: April 09, 2020, 10:25:41 AM »
How is that the new normal when we've been in the tournament (or were going to make it) 3/4yrs?
Please look up the definition of 'new'.

As someone who firmly supported Wojo's extension, I am now of the opinion he is not good enough for MU and I don't believe he will make another NCAA before he is fired. I truly hope I'm wrong.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #667 on: April 09, 2020, 10:41:32 AM »
Because the Nojos don’t care about facts.

The bar has been lowered so much.....

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« Reply #668 on: April 09, 2020, 10:53:53 AM »
The bar has been lowered so much.....

...continue.

It’s been lowered so much that finishing 6th in the BE and getting to the NIT is the normal? Despite having gone to/would have been to 3 of the past 4 NCAA Tournaments?

So the bar is so far lowered that we are just coming up with a new, completely incorrect, definition of the term “normal?”

Got it.

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« Reply #669 on: April 09, 2020, 11:02:25 AM »
...continue.

It’s been lowered so much that finishing 6th in the BE and getting to the NIT is the normal? Despite having gone to/would have been to 3 of the past 4 NCAA Tournaments?

So the bar is so far lowered that we are just coming up with a new, completely incorrect, definition of the term “normal?”

Got it.

None of this matters to panda.  Based on my understanding of his posts, the entire success or failure of the season depends on what day of the week NMD falls on.

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« Reply #670 on: April 09, 2020, 11:30:37 AM »
...continue.

It’s been lowered so much that finishing 6th in the BE and getting to the NIT is the normal? Despite having gone to/would have been to 3 of the past 4 NCAA Tournaments?

So the bar is so far lowered that we are just coming up with a new, completely incorrect, definition of the term “normal?”

Got it.

I went back to post FF run as most would say that was the moment our program took a significant step forward.

05/06 - 4th place finish 7 seed
06/07 - 6th place finish 8 seed
07/08 - 6th place finish 6 seed
08/09 - 5th place finish 6 seed
09/10 - 5th place finish 6 seed
10/11 - 9th place finish 11 seed
11/12 - 2nd place finish 3 seed
12/13 - Tied for 1st 3 seed

NBE
13/14 - 6th no tournament

Wojo
14/15 - 9th no tournament
15/16 - 7th no tournament
16/17 - tied for 3rd 10 seed
17/18 - tied for 6th no tournament
18/19 - 2nd 6th seed
19/20 - 6th projected on the 9/10 line

So after looking back, is the bar not significantly lower when we barely got in (19/20 and 16/17) and 18/19 which was a monumentally bad collapse only to be rivaled by the 19/20 collapse?

Getting into the tournament has been the minimum expectation with this program with Buzz and Crean. With Wojo, getting in the tournament is somehow a saving grace...Expectations lowered.

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« Reply #671 on: April 09, 2020, 11:39:52 AM »
If the first data point is supposed to immediately following the FF run, shouldn't it be the 03/04 season?  8-8 in CUSA, good for 8th place, NIT.

How about 04/05? 7-9 in CUSA, good for 9th place, NIT.

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« Reply #672 on: April 09, 2020, 12:25:14 PM »
If the first data point is supposed to immediately following the FF run, shouldn't it be the 03/04 season?  8-8 in CUSA, good for 8th place, NIT.

How about 04/05? 7-9 in CUSA, good for 9th place, NIT.

My mistake - Include the final four year and DWade’s first season as well and it’s a deal.

Mediocre seasons are much more palatable when you have confidence the leader of your program can consistently attain positive finishes.

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« Reply #673 on: April 09, 2020, 12:48:55 PM »
My mistake - Include the final four year and DWade’s first season as well and it’s a deal.

Mediocre seasons are much more palatable when you have confidence the leader of your program can consistently attain positive finishes.

Or standards immediately get raised following any level of success.  Look at what major portions of our fan base think of the coach that got our first FF in decades.  Why?  Because he couldn't follow it up and bolted.  Look at his successor, who went S16, S16, E8.  Couldn't keep it up and bolted.  Large portions of the fan base aren't too keen on him either. 

I'm as frustrated as anyone at the lack of postseason success under Wojo, but let's not pretend like as soon as he wins a game, all the nojo-ers will suddenly change.  They'll raise their standards.  One win per tourney won't be enough, they'll want S16 every year.  If that's attained, if no E8 comes within a few years they'll get unruly again.  FF after that. 

Look at what happened with Jamie Dixon at Pitt.  Great coach, multiple Beast Championships and #1 seeds.  Never got a FF, fans ran him off.  Look where Pitt is now 

Rick Barnes at Texas, under .500 twice in B12 play, but because it came in 2 of his 3 final season, fans got unruly, and now they're stuck with Shaka, while he's rebuilding Tenn.

Grumblings of the same thing happening to Sean Miller (regardless of sanctions or lack there-of).  Multiple E8, multiple S16, multiple PAC 12 championships, but he hasn't gotten the FF.

Now I'm not comparing Wojo to any of those coaches, if he went S16, E8, E8 (Miller from 13-15) the only one here complaining would be Willy, but the point remains, that no matter what success you have, the fans are always going to demand to be taken up to that next level.  Too many fans only look at how many teams were remaining when you got eliminated, and not everything that has taken place up until that point.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #674 on: April 09, 2020, 01:47:09 PM »
Nothing that you said changes the fact that expectations have been lowered.