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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #325 on: February 18, 2020, 01:27:38 PM »
I’m too young to understand the eye test

We've been ruined by computers.
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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #326 on: February 18, 2020, 01:46:26 PM »
Hair, meet fire.

Simmer down there, Malek Harris.
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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #327 on: February 18, 2020, 01:48:13 PM »
Simmer down there, Malek Harris.

This is why I come to scoop
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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #328 on: February 18, 2020, 02:07:29 PM »
Made me chuckle.
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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #329 on: February 18, 2020, 02:34:10 PM »
I’m too young to understand the eye test

You might not be too young, and you understand what it's all about...but you just probably aren't all that good at it. It takes a lot of experience/knowledge to be good at it, and trusting what you're seeing is accurate and also the key is to know what to look for.
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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #330 on: February 18, 2020, 02:37:36 PM »

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #331 on: February 18, 2020, 02:38:28 PM »
You might not be too young, and you understand what it's all about...but you just probably aren't all that good at it. It takes a lot of experience/knowledge to be good at it, and trusting what you're seeing is accurate and also the key is to know what to look for.

I’m quite confident in my ability to use the eye test and advanced metrics
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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #332 on: February 18, 2020, 02:41:21 PM »
If we win tonight, I'd agree. But tonight is a toss up. At PC is a toss up. SH is a toss up. @ SJU is a toss up. I'd assume we win 2/4 toss ups plus GT and @ DePaul. So give me 4-2, but 3-3 would not surprise at all.

If you venture over to Ken Pom which everyone here uses as gospel for everything(and he has a fantastic site), and you look at his game by game results, he too has MU winning out, even tonight.

They are favored tonight, will be favored in the next two home games(and well they should be, not just because they are at home), may or may not be favored in any of the road games but ARE better then SJU, DePaul and Providence...Let's assume( I know, I know) they win the 3 home games(that's what you are supposed to do), then one has to believe they get swept in 3 road games against 3 teams in the lower half of the standings, including the two at the very bottom. Losing any of those should NEVER happen(at least this year), especially if MU realizes what it could possibly be playing for the rest of the year. Who knows how high their seed might be if they win out the rest of the regular season??
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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #333 on: February 18, 2020, 02:43:29 PM »
If you venture over to Ken Pom which everyone here uses as gospel for everything(and he has a fantastic site), and you look at his game by game results, he too has MU winning out, even tonight.

They are favored tonight, will be favored in the next two home games(and well they should be, not just because they are at home), may or may not be favored in any of the road games but ARE better then SJU, DePaul and Providence...Let's assume( I know, I know) they win the 3 home games(that's what you are supposed to do), then one has to believe they get swept in 3 road games against 3 teams in the lower half of the standings, including the two at the very bottom. Losing any of those should NEVER happen(at least this year), especially if MU realizes what it could possibly be playing for the rest of the year. Who knows how high their seed might be if they win out the rest of the regular season??

You're correct he has us as a favorite in every game. And rightfully so.

However, if you understand how probabilities work, which I'm sure you do, then you'll see that the most likely outcome over the next 6 games is 4-2. That's why he also projects our record to be 11-7.

The second most likely outcome? 3-3.

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« Reply #334 on: February 18, 2020, 02:44:52 PM »
I’m quite confident in my ability to use the eye test and advanced metrics

It's okay to use metrics for some things, but the question I always ask everyone...the numbers may tell you how well the guy is shooting this year, or what his turnover rate is etc..but NONE of that tells you how talented the player is...that's what I'm talking about numbers don't tell the whole story. Only the eyes can tell you how physically talented a player is...what do you think scouting was built on??
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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #335 on: February 18, 2020, 02:49:56 PM »
My eye test tells me that winning against a team that has already beat us on our home floor, and just beat the conference leaders will be very difficult, especially on their home floor.  Nothing is guaranteed, nothing should be taken for granted.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #336 on: February 18, 2020, 02:52:27 PM »
If you venture over to Ken Pom which everyone here uses as gospel for everything(and he has a fantastic site), and you look at his game by game results, he too has MU winning out, even tonight.

They are favored tonight, will be favored in the next two home games(and well they should be, not just because they are at home), may or may not be favored in any of the road games but ARE better then SJU, DePaul and Providence...Let's assume( I know, I know) they win the 3 home games(that's what you are supposed to do), then one has to believe they get swept in 3 road games against 3 teams in the lower half of the standings, including the two at the very bottom. Losing any of those should NEVER happen(at least this year), especially if MU realizes what it could possibly be playing for the rest of the year. Who knows how high their seed might be if they win out the rest of the regular season??

You don’t understand metrics by what you said.  KenPom does not have us winning out.  Sigh.  Those are probabilities of winning each game.  The probability of winning out is low if you understand how this all works.

See binomial distribution....
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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #337 on: February 18, 2020, 02:55:03 PM »
It's okay to use metrics for some things, but the question I always ask everyone...the numbers may tell you how well the guy is shooting this year, or what his turnover rate is etc..but NONE of that tells you how talented the player is...that's what I'm talking about numbers don't tell the whole story. Only the eyes can tell you how physically talented a player is...what do you think scouting was built on??

Scouting was built on many things and good scouts augment their knowledge
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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #338 on: February 19, 2020, 11:15:52 AM »
I would be very happy if we got the draw thats on bracketville

https://bracketville.wordpress.com/bracketology/

this was posted prior to the loss to creighton
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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #339 on: February 19, 2020, 12:46:28 PM »
http://m.espn.com/ncb/bracketology?iteration=234&region=2&year=2020

New update from Joe. I’ll take this 7 days of the week
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« Reply #340 on: February 19, 2020, 12:48:16 PM »
http://m.espn.com/ncb/bracketology?iteration=234&region=2&year=2020

New update from Joe. I’ll take this 7 days of the week

Auburn would kick the living sh*t out of Marquette.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #341 on: February 19, 2020, 01:18:24 PM »
Auburn would kick the living sh*t out of Marquette.

Of the projected 4 seeds, I think Auburn is the worst.

Doubt we get a 5 seed though so probably doesn't matter.

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« Reply #342 on: February 19, 2020, 01:34:49 PM »
Of the projected 4 seeds, I think Auburn is the worst.

Doubt we get a 5 seed though so probably doesn't matter.

I rather be a 6 or 7 seed than the dreaded 5 seed.

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« Reply #343 on: February 19, 2020, 01:38:30 PM »
Of the projected 4 seeds, I think Auburn is the worst.

Doubt we get a 5 seed though so probably doesn't matter.

That could be, but they have the type of personnel that would give MU fits.

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« Reply #344 on: February 19, 2020, 02:05:38 PM »
I rather be a 6 or 7 seed than the dreaded 5 seed.
You rather be a 7 or a 5?
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« Reply #345 on: February 19, 2020, 02:07:09 PM »
i would gladly switch places with michigan state in that bracket too
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« Reply #346 on: February 19, 2020, 02:10:41 PM »
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

5 playing in Tampa.  Also appears that 8 Beast teams is still very much in the picture.

If I was SDSU, that draw would be worrisome. North Florida would be a pain-in-the-ass first round opponent. They take more threes and get more points from three than anyone, and they are second in the nation in limiting three-point attempts defensively. Basically, they are going to take and make a ton of threes and not let you take any.

It's still a 1/16, so I wouldn't lay money on the Osprey, but I wouldn't want anything to do with UNF in round one.

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Re: Bracketology 2019-2020
« Reply #347 on: February 20, 2020, 08:18:22 AM »
Highest seed we are is 5 on bracketmatrix. Fell to the 2nd highest 6 seed behind arizona
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« Reply #349 on: February 20, 2020, 02:47:09 PM »
https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1230559374554234884/photo/1

6 seed/ 22 on the s curve in today's update.

 

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