MLB Hot Stove 2019-20

[WI inferiority Complexes]

I don't even see Justin Turner our there celebrating. What the fook happened?

[wadesworld]

Baseball has become pussified by analytics its sad to watch.

Well deserved for Dodgers tho.

That was quite literally the opposite of what the analytics would've had Cash do.

[Marquette Fan]

I don't even see Justin Turner our there celebrating. What the fook happened?

Covid happened apparently which is odd because weren't they in a bubble for the last two rounds of the playoffs?

After you posted this, it was announced that they pulled Turner due to a positive Covid test. 

[WI inferiority Complexes]

Covid happened apparently which is odd because weren't they in a bubble for the last two rounds of the playoffs?

After you posted this, it was announced that they pulled Turner due to a positive Covid test.

I have so many questions about how a player gets pulled in the middle of a game, in a bubble, due to a positive test. I'm not expecting anyone to have answers right now, but still so many questions.

[Marquette Fan]

I have so many questions about how a player gets pulled in the middle of a game, in a bubble, due to a positive test. I'm not expecting anyone to have answers right now, but still so many questions.

I was really shocked when I heard the news - wasn't at all what I was expecting to hear about why he was pulled from the game.

[Dish]

If I were the Rays, I'd be rightfully pissed right now at MLB.

[Billy Hoyle]

Snell was dealing. Really bad decision.

29 years ago tonight Jack Morris went 10 innings to win game 7 1-0. Today he'd have been pulled two times through the lineup.

The hitters Snell was due to face were 0-6 against him tonight. Screw analytics, let the man pitch when he's rolling.

[WI inferiority Complexes]

The hitters Snell was due to face were 0-6 against him tonight. Screw analytics, let the man pitch when he's rolling.

If I were Kevin Cash, I'd just say they received Snell's Covid results in the 6th inning.

[CreightonWarrior]

But apparently he still made it out there for team photos! Although to be fair they were all plenty exposed to him before that point anyways.

[wadesworld]

29 years ago tonight Jack Morris went 10 innings to win game 7 1-0. Today he'd have been pulled two times through the lineup.

The hitters Snell was due to face were 0-6 against him tonight. Screw analytics, let the man pitch when he's rolling.

Again, the analytics say let him pitch there. Cash did screw the analytics, and screwed the Rays.

[The Sultan]

Baseball has become pussified by analytics its sad to watch.

Pussified?

[The Sultan]

I have so many questions about how a player gets pulled in the middle of a game, in a bubble, due to a positive test. I'm not expecting anyone to have answers right now, but still so many questions.

Not only was he pulled from the game, but then he was allowed back on the field to celebrate, including being in the team picture without a mask.

I mean, WTF?

[PGsHeroes32]

That was quite literally the opposite of what the analytics would've had Cash do.

Hahaha no it wasn't

The analytics are against(Snell especially) going the 3rd time through the order and pitching beyond 5-6 innings.

That was the exact definition of a analytics move(as repeated by every single talking head since last night happened).

Its the Rays organizational philosophy to trust analytics and pull their starters early. Leaving Snell in would be going with the EYE test and feeling out the current game.

Cash went with the analytics.

[PGsHeroes32]

Again, the analytics say let him pitch there. Cash did screw the analytics, and screwed the Rays.

Yeah you quite literally have the definition of analytics backwards.

[wadesworld]

Hahaha no it wasn't

The analytics are against(Snell especially) going the 3rd time through the order and pitching beyond 5-6 innings.

That was the exact definition of a analytics move(as repeated by every single talking head since last night happened).

Its the Rays organizational philosophy to trust analytics and pull their starters early. Leaving Snell in would be going with the EYE test and feeling out the current game.

Cash went with the analytics.

Yeah you quite literally have the definition of analytics backwards.

You might want to check Mookie Betts's splits and then get back to me on pulling the lefty Blake Snell (who Betts was 0-4 against in the series up to that point) to put in a righty and how that was the move the analytics would suggest.

Because it's quite literally the opposite of what the analytics would suggest.

[PGsHeroes32]

You might want to check Mookie Betts's splits and then get back to me on pulling the lefty Blake Snell (who Betts was 0-4 against in the series up to that point) to put in a righty and how that was the move the analytics would suggest.

Because it's quite literally the opposite of what the analytics would suggest.

Again, you are still wrong on what analytics in baseball are. The analytics the Rays(and other teams are using) are all based around not letting starters pitch deeper into games and face lineups a 3rd time through the order. You are QUITE LITERALLY the only person arguing this wasn't a analytics decision.

https://twitter.com/DPLennon/status/1321305548143398917

https://twitter.com/DarrenWHaynes/status/1321300130579046401

https://twitter.com/qualityatbats/status/1321280642483511296

https://twitter.com/BrentASJax/status/1321322392732471298

https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1321275964714868738

https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1321331393272709120

https://twitter.com/AROD/status/1321283976246558724

https://twitter.com/AROD/status/1321277104906850305

https://twitter.com/TheBigHurt_35/status/1321277985949806593

I can definitely keep going. I am here to quite literally educate you.

[wadesworld]

Again, you are still wrong on what analytics in baseball are. The analytics the Rays(and other teams are using) are all based around not letting starters pitch deeper into games and face lineups a 3rd time through the order. You are QUITE LITERALLY the only person arguing this wasn't a analytics decision.

https://twitter.com/DPLennon/status/1321305548143398917

https://twitter.com/DarrenWHaynes/status/1321300130579046401

https://twitter.com/qualityatbats/status/1321280642483511296

https://twitter.com/BrentASJax/status/1321322392732471298

https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1321275964714868738

https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1321331393272709120

https://twitter.com/AROD/status/1321283976246558724

https://twitter.com/AROD/status/1321277104906850305

https://twitter.com/TheBigHurt_35/status/1321277985949806593

I can definitely keep going. I am here to quite literally educate you.

Please, keep going.  Just to confirm, you're going on record and saying the analytics say the Rays should have pulled their lefty pitcher for a righty pitcher to face Mookie Betts?

[PGsHeroes32]

Please, keep going.  Just to confirm, you're going on record and saying the analytics say the Rays should have pulled their lefty pitcher for a righty pitcher to face Mookie Betts?

Correct, everyone in America is saying it.

But yeah you the guy who says he doesnt watch baseball until the playoffs knows analytics compared to Hall of Famers and guys whose actual profession requires them to follow the sport and report on it.

But yeah, Kevin Keirmeier who is on the Rays saying it was a numbers decision. He also knows less than you.

[wadesworld]

Correct, everyone in America is saying it.

But yeah you the guy who says he doesnt watch baseball until the playoffs knows analytics compared to Hall of Famers and guys whose actual profession requires them to follow the sport and report on it.

But yeah, Kevin Keirmeier who is on the Rays saying it was a numbers decision. He also knows less than you.

Got it.  You've gone on record as saying bringing in a righty to replace a (dealing) lefty was the correct move by analytics.  Makes a lot of sense, given that Betts hit .333 and had an OPS of 1.107 against righties and hit .208 and an had an OPS of 0.551 against lefties this year.  Yup, the analytics make it clear you want the righty in the game there!

Hysterical.  I hope you don't actually, literally, teach math, statistics, or analytics.

[PGsHeroes32]

Got it.  You've gone on record as saying bringing in a righty to replace a (dealing) lefty was the correct move by analytics.  Makes a lot of sense, given that Betts hit .333 and had an OPS of 1.107 against righties and hit .208 and an had an OPS of 0.551 against lefties this year.  Yup, the analytics make it clear you want the righty in the game there!

Hysterical.  I hope you don't actually, literally, teach math, statistics, or analytics.

Got it. You still are too fu cking dumb to read.

I have gone on record stating that this was an analytical decision based on the Rays computer analytics that don't let their pitchers(especially Snell) pitch a 3rd time through the order and beyond 5-6 innings. I have also gone on the record to state that EVERYONE is saying this. Not just me, again you keep ignoring that.

Lastly, I am going on the record to state you are literally a fuc king moron. Hysterical. I hope you dont actually, literally, reproduce.

[PGsHeroes32]

Got it.  You've gone on record as saying bringing in a righty to replace a (dealing) lefty was the correct move by analytics.  Makes a lot of sense, given that Betts hit .333 and had an OPS of 1.107 against righties and hit .208 and an had an OPS of 0.551 against lefties this year.  Yup, the analytics make it clear you want the righty in the game there!

Hysterical.  I hope you don't actually, literally, teach math, statistics, or analytics.

"Betts would have represented the start of Snell's third trip through the order. Including the playoffs, Snell faced the same hitter a third time in a game only 34 times this season. Against lefties — there were 10 of those — he allowed a .700 OPS. Betts isn't a lefty, though. Against righties for a third time, Snell allowed a 1.072 OPS.

That sample is small, to be sure. So let's look at Snell overall for his career. Third time through against lefties: .472 OPS. Against righties: .800. It also should be noted that Betts isn't just any righty. He is Mookie Betts, whom some consider to be the best player in baseball right now."

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/10/dodgers-rays-kevin-cash-blake-snell-world-series-analytics

Enjoy, dolt.

[The Sultan]

You are both right.  Analytics says that Snell should have stayed in to pitch to Betts in that specific situation. 

But the reason he was pulled overall was because that's what the analytics are saying about going through a third time.

Analytics don't give you a yes and no, black and white answer to every situation.  It's just data that you use to make decisions.  And what national "baseball reporters" are saying are just sound bites that perform well in our "hot take" culture.

[PGsHeroes32]

You are both right.  Analytics says that Snell should have stayed in to pitch to Betts in that specific situation. 

But the reason he was pulled overall was because that's what the analytics are saying about going through a third time.

Analytics don't give you a yes and no, black and white answer to every situation.  It's just data that you use to make decisions.  And what national "baseball reporters" are saying are just sound bites that perform well in our "hot take" culture.

Not exactly. Like I showed. For Betts personally hes worse against lefties so those stats say leave Snell in. But for Snell personally the analystics show hes horrendous the 3rd time through typically especially vs Righties. For example....Betts and Seager got to him in game 2 with a walk and single the 3rd time through.

But the issue everyone(except Mr. "Doesnt watch baseball but knows Analystics" himself) has with the move is it went STRICTLY off Snells past and didn't take 1 game and the eye test into account.

[PGsHeroes32]

MLB tonight talking about it right now. Someone on this thread should tune in to MLB network.

"this was an organizational decision based on their analytics of not letting guys face a lineup a 3rd time"

[wadesworld]

I mean, Snell's ERA jumps from sub 1.00 through the first 3 innings to over 11.00 in the 4th.  So in reality I guess the Rays should've pulled him after the 3rd if we're going with the analytics?

Got it. You still are too fu cking dumb to read.

I have gone on record stating that this was an analytical decision based on the Rays computer analytics that don't let their pitchers(especially Snell) pitch a 3rd time through the order and beyond 5-6 innings. I have also gone on the record to state that EVERYONE is saying this. Not just me, again you keep ignoring that.

Lastly, I am going on the record to state you are literally a fuc king moron. Hysterical. I hope you dont actually, literally, reproduce.

Triggered.