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Author Topic: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20  (Read 280098 times)

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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #825 on: April 17, 2020, 05:02:52 PM »
Gang, if you're this pessimistic about getting folks back together and beginning to again act like people, then Good God, do you have any idea what's going to happen to this country?

Oscar Munoz, Chairman and CEO of United Airlines, put out a very dismal forecast for his airline for the rest of this year, predicated on very pessimistic assumptions about when United would be back to normal. In essence, he's more than a little worried that the nation's second largest airline will collapse by year-end. And I'm confident United is not alone in the airline sector. Nor is the airline sector alone in facing severe economic trauma!

We simply cannot exist walled up in our homes. While I'd argue that more than a few tech-oriented Millennial-geeks would be more than excited about it, commerce, society, religion and a host of other activities is predicated on human interaction and, dare I say, contact. As Catholics, for example, we seek the assurance and love of a community of believers and gain strength from coming together. Mass isn't something you watch on TV, for long!

Frankly, the longer SIP goes, the more likely it becomes that individuals will simply say, "screw it... I've had it!"

If we restrict interaction, travel, commerce and other things to either economically or politically blessed individuals, God help us.

For that reason, BRING ON BASEBALL -- WITH AN AUDIENCE!!!!!!

Don't worry, Oscar will get a lot of money from the government!
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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #826 on: April 17, 2020, 05:15:02 PM »
Gang, if you're this pessimistic about getting folks back together and beginning to again act like people, then Good God, do you have any idea what's going to happen to this country?

Oscar Munoz, Chairman and CEO of United Airlines, put out a very dismal forecast for his airline for the rest of this year, predicated on very pessimistic assumptions about when United would be back to normal. In essence, he's more than a little worried that the nation's second largest airline will collapse by year-end. And I'm confident United is not alone in the airline sector. Nor is the airline sector alone in facing severe economic trauma!

We simply cannot exist walled up in our homes. While I'd argue that more than a few tech-oriented Millennial-geeks would be more than excited about it, commerce, society, religion and a host of other activities is predicated on human interaction and, dare I say, contact. As Catholics, for example, we seek the assurance and love of a community of believers and gain strength from coming together. Mass isn't something you watch on TV, for long!

Frankly, the longer SIP goes, the more likely it becomes that individuals will simply say, "screw it... I've had it!"

If we restrict interaction, travel, commerce and other things to either economically or politically blessed individuals, God help us.

For that reason, BRING ON BASEBALL -- WITH AN AUDIENCE!!!!!!

Yeah, no

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« Reply #827 on: April 17, 2020, 05:57:49 PM »
You fail to understand there is a fundamental difference to opening up an economy so people can safely go to a restaurant, bar or retail shop, and allowing tens of thousands of people to attend a sporting event.

Read this:

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/coronavirus-how-a-champions-league-match-contributed-to-italys-covid-19-outbreak/

Fluffy, you're such a millennial. Or socialist. Or anti-american.

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« Reply #828 on: April 17, 2020, 08:34:15 PM »
Fluffy, you're such a millennial. Or socialist. Or anti-american.

All of the above?

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« Reply #829 on: April 17, 2020, 11:20:19 PM »
You fail to understand there is a fundamental difference to opening up an economy so people can safely go to a restaurant, bar or retail shop, and allowing tens of thousands of people to attend a sporting event.

Read this:

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/coronavirus-how-a-champions-league-match-contributed-to-italys-covid-19-outbreak/

OK, where do you start limiting?

Are religious services allowed? How about opening the parks, beaches, and other public locales?

In Florida, Disney plans to reopen June 1, which means Universal and Sea World reopen the same day. If it is later, what do you do about the 2.0 million people or so who live in the Metro Orlando region and whose livelihoods feast on tourism?

Or about Saturday nights when hundreds of people cram into bars in Chicago? How many restaurants can survive when tables are properly social distanced? From what we knew before the restaurants closed down here, not many!

Sure, none of these things are essential to life in the United States. But they're critical to our national well-being.

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« Reply #830 on: April 18, 2020, 06:51:49 AM »
Yes it is a tricky balance.  Large crowds at sporting events are the last things that will happen IMO.
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« Reply #831 on: April 18, 2020, 10:51:45 AM »
Yes it is a tricky balance.  Large crowds at sporting events are the last things that will happen IMO.

Donald thinks that’s back by mid August or early September. So if that’s the last step we’re going to see some rapid progress!
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« Reply #832 on: April 18, 2020, 11:38:51 AM »
The Yahoo article about Disney’s Wide World of Sports complex hosting the NBA is brilliant. MLB and the NFL could follow suit. I’m surprised this idea hasn’t gained more momentum, it makes perfect sense.

MLB games in the day wouldn’t be great with the heat/humidity, but you can play games early 11am and at night on their 5 MLB fields. The Trop is an easy drive, you could play three games there each day as well.


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« Reply #833 on: April 18, 2020, 12:28:18 PM »
The Yahoo article about Disney’s Wide World of Sports complex hosting the NBA is brilliant. MLB and the NFL could follow suit. I’m surprised this idea hasn’t gained more momentum, it makes perfect sense.

MLB games in the day wouldn’t be great with the heat/humidity, but you can play games early 11am and at night on their 5 MLB fields. The Trop is an easy drive, you could play three games there each day as well.

Brother Dish, there is a reason why Marlins Park and Tropicana Field are domed stadiums. It’s miserable here in summer — 95/95 is not unusual. Pop-up thunderstorms fed by Florida’s unending moisture and enormous heat are a fact of life. Absent a drought, you’d be lucky to get more than one three-hour game in a day, much less the three you talk about.

It ain’t gonna work any more than Arizona will.

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« Reply #834 on: April 18, 2020, 09:14:47 PM »
For sure come hell or high water, WI will be open for the DNC, aina?
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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #835 on: April 18, 2020, 09:33:48 PM »
The Yahoo article about Disney’s Wide World of Sports complex hosting the NBA is brilliant. MLB and the NFL could follow suit. I’m surprised this idea hasn’t gained more momentum, it makes perfect sense.

MLB games in the day wouldn’t be great with the heat/humidity, but you can play games early 11am and at night on their 5 MLB fields. The Trop is an easy drive, you could play three games there each day as well.

No way players agree to be in Florida for the entire season

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« Reply #836 on: April 19, 2020, 12:05:57 AM »
No way players agree to be in Florida for the entire season

Feasible for NBA. Don't think it is for MLB.

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« Reply #837 on: April 19, 2020, 12:58:15 AM »
No way players agree to be in Florida for the entire season

Money has a long way of talking. Added benefit is no jock tax in Florida.

Yes, I get the weather isn’t ideal. Play early, play night games, utilize The Trop as well.

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« Reply #838 on: April 19, 2020, 09:01:10 AM »
Money has a long way of talking. Added benefit is no jock tax in Florida.

Yes, I get the weather isn’t ideal. Play early, play night games, utilize The Trop as well.

Brother Dish, playing baseball here in mid-summer is akin to the entire NFL playing its slate of games in February at Lambeau Field.

That’s not ideal weather either!

Play early? If the purpose is television, what does playing early get you? The geezer audience? You might get one game in the afternoon (with low audience because we’re all working) and one featured night game. That’s assuming the weather does not intervene.

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« Reply #839 on: April 19, 2020, 09:11:22 AM »
Brother Dish, playing baseball here in mid-summer is akin to the entire NFL playing its slate of games in February at Lambeau Field.

That’s not ideal weather either!

Play early? If the purpose is television, what does playing early get you? The geezer audience? You might get one game in the afternoon (with low audience because we’re all working) and one featured night game. That’s assuming the weather does not intervene.

Wait. You mean to tell me the sad proclaimed “best fans in the word” aren’t willing to wake up any hour of the day to watch their beloved red birds?
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« Reply #840 on: April 19, 2020, 09:25:16 AM »
I enjoy streaming a noon getaway game on the third monitor here and there, but to make a whole season of it would be quite a bit, even for those that have owned season tickets in the past and gone to or watched almost all games.

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« Reply #841 on: April 19, 2020, 12:07:49 PM »
I think you guy$ are mi$$ing the point.

No game$ = no media right$ revenue.

1>0

I totally get it will be hot/humid. Play early/play late, and game$ all day at the Trop.

Player$ can live with their familie$ $eque$tered at Di$ney hotel$ (Yahoo article capture$ thi$ $ide well). It’$ one of the few place$ where the bio dome option work$.

They are going to find a way to play MLB. Take it to the bank.




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« Reply #842 on: April 19, 2020, 02:08:29 PM »
Wait. You mean to tell me the sad proclaimed “best fans in the word” aren’t willing to wake up any hour of the day to watch their beloved red birds?

They may if the team is good enough to warrant their attention.

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« Reply #843 on: April 19, 2020, 10:51:36 PM »
Wait. You mean to tell me the sad proclaimed “best fans in the word” aren’t willing to wake up any hour of the day to watch their beloved red birds?

For heaven's sake, we have to work. Besides, under the Florida/Arizona plan, there's no games against the Cubs, Reds and Brewers. We'd end up playing the Nationals, Astros and Mets instead. Hell, if they let people in, I might stay down here this summer!

Brother Dish, the media revenue in this kind of nonsense would be so low that one wonders whether it's worth it to play the game. Media revenue is predicated the audience a broadcast can deliver. Broadcast a four inning affair that gets rained out because of one of Florida's everyday summer microbursts and the audience will be, well, crap.

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« Reply #844 on: April 20, 2020, 07:45:08 AM »
For heaven's sake, we have to work. Besides, under the Florida/Arizona plan, there's no games against the Cubs, Reds and Brewers. We'd end up playing the Nationals, Astros and Mets instead. Hell, if they let people in, I might stay down here this summer!

Brother Dish, the media revenue in this kind of nonsense would be so low that one wonders whether it's worth it to play the game. Media revenue is predicated the audience a broadcast can deliver. Broadcast a four inning affair that gets rained out because of one of Florida's everyday summer microbursts and the audience will be, well, crap.

Then what's your plan?  Keep in mind that baseball in home stadiums with fans is NOT happening.  How do you plan on playing the season with that limitation?
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« Reply #845 on: April 20, 2020, 10:28:06 AM »
The KBO is getting set to start their season at the beginning of May.  I'm ready to watch some killer bat flips.

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« Reply #846 on: April 22, 2020, 01:17:02 PM »
The KBO is getting set to start their season at the beginning of May.  I'm ready to watch some killer bat flips.

Asia may be all we get. I’d put chance of MLB at less than 50% this year.


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« Reply #847 on: April 22, 2020, 01:44:58 PM »
Asia may be all we get. I’d put chance of MLB at less than 50% this year.

Sell Eric Thames back to KBO plz

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« Reply #848 on: April 22, 2020, 03:25:47 PM »
Then what's your plan?  Keep in mind that baseball in home stadiums with fans is NOT happening.  How do you plan on playing the season with that limitation?

OK Fluff, since you asked:

1) Admit that we're day to day and may not know for awhile whether any baseball can be played this year.

2) Plan on starting after the All-Star break at the earliest.

3) If it doesn't go by August 1, can it for this year and lean on your business interruption insurance.

4) Admit that the Florida/Arizona plan is crap and you're probably going to lose a backside full money if you try it.

5) Fans are everything. We pay the bills.

Ultimately, Brother Fluff, we can't bunker down and hide from this indefinitely. America doesn't work that way and most humans are not wired that way. There's so many conflicting statistics on how deep the infestation and how bad it may be that it's getting to the point I don't know who to believe. But we can't shelter in place forever. We have to do things that ultimately bring us together and allow society to function normally.
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« Reply #849 on: April 28, 2020, 04:58:13 PM »
This could be crazy fun.
MLB talking about starting in late June with league realigned into three divisions and an expanded playoffs. No fans in the stands to start.

The divisions would be:
EAST
New York Yankees and Mets, Boston Red Sox, Washington Nationals, Baltimore Orioles, Philadelphia Phillies, Pittsburgh Pirates, Toronto Blue Jays, Tampa Bay Rays, Miami Marlins

WEST
Los Angeles Dodgers and Angels, San Francisco Giants, Oakland Athletics, San Diego Padres, Arizona Diamondbacks, Colorado Rockies, Texas Rangers, Houston Astros, Seattle Mariners

CENTRAL
Chicago Cubs and Chicago White Sox, Milwaukee Brewers, St. Louis Cardinals, Kansas City Royals, Cincinnati Reds, Cleveland Indians, Minnesota Twins, Atlanta Braves, Detroit Tigers

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2020/04/28/mlb-optimistic-about-starting-season-late-june/3039275001/