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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #800 on: April 11, 2020, 10:54:39 AM »
What about spacing 15 or 20 thousands fans in a 45-50 thousand seat stadium? Is that apossibility?


When they are in their seats sure.  But entering and exiting the stadium, concession stands, bathrooms, etc.  Not likely.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #801 on: April 11, 2020, 11:38:53 AM »

When they are in their seats sure.  But entering and exiting the stadium, concession stands, bathrooms, etc.  Not likely.

Exactly. I was trying to think of ways to do that for hoops next year. Just getting in your need like an entrance time with the ticket you have, and people would have to start going in hours before the game starts just to space out the entrance. I just don’t know how it works.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #802 on: April 11, 2020, 12:29:37 PM »
If we are still worrying about this in July at this level, we will have a lot bigger problems that how to space out baseball fans.

That is what scares me the most about coronavirus.

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« Reply #803 on: April 11, 2020, 12:54:01 PM »
If we are still worrying about this in July at this level, we will have a lot bigger problems that how to space out baseball fans.

That is what scares me the most about coronavirus.

We will be worrying about this in July.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #804 on: April 11, 2020, 01:17:17 PM »
What about spacing 15 or 20 thousands fans in a 45-50 thousand seat stadium? Is that apossibility?

The Marlins, Rays,  A's, pirates,  O's have been doing this for years.

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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #805 on: April 11, 2020, 04:16:18 PM »
We will be worrying about this in July.

Depends on how we worry. If you believe that it won’t be good enough by July to have spectator sports, I’m fearful the economy will be in utter collapse. Millions on millions will be unemployed and the implication on social, political and economic order will be huge.

At some point, this country has to take a calculated risk and return to normal. Otherwise, the pain and suffering we all will face will be beyond anything we’ve experienced since the dawn of the 20th Century. I hope we come up with a vaccine but even if we don’t, at some point life has to return to something close to normal.

The people who need the economy to function best (and who know the least about what I’m talking about) will be the people hurting the most.

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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #806 on: April 11, 2020, 04:19:25 PM »
Depends on how we worry. If you believe that it won’t be good enough by July to have spectator sports, I’m fearful the economy will be in utter collapse. Millions on millions will be unemployed and the implication on social, political and economic order will be huge.

At some point, this country has to take a calculated risk and return to normal. Otherwise, the pain and suffering we all will face will be beyond anything we’ve experienced since the dawn of the 20th Century. I hope we come up with a vaccine but even if we don’t, at some point life has to return to something close to normal.

The people who need the economy to function best (and who know the least about what I’m talking about) will be the people hurting the most.

People will be back to work. Bars and restaurants will be open to some extent. Spectacular sports wont be around for awhile.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #807 on: April 11, 2020, 04:25:16 PM »
People will be back to work. Bars and restaurants will be open to some extent. Spectacular sports wont be around for awhile.

Brother Fluff,

I hope you’re right. I really do.

But we’re operating without a playbook right now. And bureaucracies don’t function without a playbook. The dribble I keep hearing is that this is going to last and last and last with no end in sight — and we’re all going to have to stay locked up and away from our communities until ____________ (fill in the blank with your favorite commentator’s fear mongering).

There has to be a balance of risk taking between medical, social, economic and even political factors. At some point, we’ll stop seeing this as the Andromeda Strain and see it more as a particularly aggressive flu.

That’s when baseball will be back!


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« Reply #808 on: April 11, 2020, 06:42:52 PM »
It sucks. At some point, we need baseball. We need a warm summer afternoon (OK, blazing hot summer evening if you’re in St. Louis), below average food, plenty of ice cold Budweiser, great baseball by guys with a birds on bat logo on their shirts and a great seat that I copped a bargain for.

As much as I love baseball (and I truly do), television baseball is like video porn. It’s a whole lot more fun to be there than it is to watch it on TV.

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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #809 on: April 11, 2020, 06:57:57 PM »

When they are in their seats sure.  But entering and exiting the stadium, concession stands, bathrooms, etc.  Not likely.

Maybe no concessions, monitors for bathrooms and for entering/exiting?

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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #810 on: April 11, 2020, 08:36:30 PM »
The Marlins, Rays,  A's, pirates,  O's have been doing this for years.

White Sox

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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #811 on: April 12, 2020, 12:32:19 AM »
White Sox

Lenny said
What about spacing 15 or 20 thousands fans in a 45-50 thousand seat stadium? Is that apossibility?

I don't think of the Sox in the 15-20k range.

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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #812 on: April 12, 2020, 06:56:03 AM »
Maybe no concessions, monitors for bathrooms and for entering/exiting?


I think the tought is that this is too much trouble considering there are going to be a myriad of local rules to deal with, and still potentially risky anyway, so play with empty stands.  And if you are playing with empty stands, why not just do it in Arizona or Florida to minimize travel.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #813 on: April 12, 2020, 11:13:20 AM »
Brother Fluff,

I hope you’re right. I really do.

But we’re operating without a playbook right now. And bureaucracies don’t function without a playbook. The dribble I keep hearing is that this is going to last and last and last with no end in sight — and we’re all going to have to stay locked up and away from our communities until ____________ (fill in the blank with your favorite commentator’s fear mongering).

There has to be a balance of risk taking between medical, social, economic and even political factors. At some point, we’ll stop seeing this as the Andromeda Strain and see it more as a particularly aggressive flu.

That’s when baseball will be back!

Baseball (like everything else) will be back  when we have wide spread testing - in other words, not for quite a while.

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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #814 on: April 12, 2020, 03:12:14 PM »
I was reading an article a week or two ago, and the entire concession process at sports/entertainment venues is going to have to change. One big issue is most buildings use stainless steel at concession areas. That’s a big no bueno moving forward. Condiments in public concession areas will be gone. No more vendors walking around selling beer (good luck having 4 people pass down beer/money from the dude in the middle of a section to the vendor at the aisle).

Sporting events/concerts/etc have to completely change their experience model. That’s a lot of revenue and jobs that are going to be impacted. I don’t see any spectators in sporting events for a long time.

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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #815 on: April 12, 2020, 04:50:42 PM »
What about spacing 15 or 20 thousands fans in a 45-50 thousand seat stadium? Is that apossibility?

A possibility? In Tampa and Miami, it's a reason to celebrate!
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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #816 on: April 15, 2020, 06:56:48 PM »
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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #817 on: April 17, 2020, 11:01:33 AM »
My prediction, or at least proposal....we will have a MLB season starting on or around July 4. The symbolism will be too great to pass up. Maybe an All-Star game to kick it off. Have fans start voting online June 1. Give us something to talk about.

There will be no spectators. The Spring training locations were a decent idea but I don't think players will want to play there in the heat of summer. Maybe instead at one ballpark per division. But you do a ballpark from a different division so there is no home field advantage. Keep players from AL or NL West quarantined in hotels in one location (Milwaukee and Miller Park could actually be ideal due to the dome option and climate control), and do the same for each division. NL Central plays in a AL/NL East or AL/NL West stadium. Domes wherever possible to keep scheduling tight and minimize rainouts. All games are divisional matchups for the abbreviated regular season. Since there's no fans you can do multiple games per day if you need: a daytime matchup and a nighttime matchup. 4 teams from the division play each day. One team gets a day off.  No series in the scheduling, so the days off rotate for each team everyday. Every team gets a day off every 4 days. No travel for the whole season. Something to that effect.

Have an 8 team playoff - division winners and the otherwise best record in the league for the Wild Card.  All games for both league playoff rounds are in the same city for each league - same deal - quarantined, no  fans. A neutral stadium of a team that didn't make the playoffs. No homefield advantages. World Series also in a neutral stadium. No homefield advantage. No travel required. Teams quarantined, no fans. Pick domes to minimize threat of rainouts. AL playoffs in Miller Park. NL Playoffs in Seattle. Something like that.

Rapid testing of players before each game. Anyone infected goes into quarantine for the requisite number of days.

There will be TV revenue, but players will need to take a paycut, perhaps 50%. But they will get paid something.

Experiment and take some risks with the TV broadcasts to up fan interest, since there is no one in the stands. Mic up managers, umpires and/or players. Do video interviews between innings. Have advanced analytics/sabermetrics on screen.

It isn't ideal, but we would be able to watch baseball.
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« Reply #818 on: April 17, 2020, 11:53:42 AM »
Coleman, I don't think you have a bad plan here, but I don't see how they can do an All-Star game.  Too much travelling from one group back to another. 

Part of the hold up will be that players don't want to separate from their families for an extended length of time.
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« Reply #819 on: April 17, 2020, 11:56:12 AM »
Coleman, I don't think you have a bad plan here, but I don't see how they can do an All-Star game.  Too much travelling from one group back to another. 

Part of the hold up will be that players don't want to separate from their families for an extended length of time.

Maybe you're right about the All Star Game.

I think the rest of it could work. Players will be gone for like 4 months (July, August, September, October). But they've been home since October 2019, except for the brief stint at the beginning of spring training. And they will get paid.
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« Reply #820 on: April 17, 2020, 03:31:17 PM »
How many of these guys still want to be home with their families?

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« Reply #821 on: April 17, 2020, 03:39:03 PM »
How many of these guys still want to be home with their families?

For every Zobrist, there’s 5 Palmeiros.

Whether they like it or not, the Fact of the matter is they are used to being gone from their families half of the time from February through October anyway. 4 months straight isn’t that much worse.

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« Reply #822 on: April 17, 2020, 03:41:50 PM »
Whether they like it or not, the Fact of the matter is they are used to being gone from their families half of the time from February through October anyway. 4 months straight isn’t that much worse.


They're usually not gone from their families all summer.  Their families usually join them.

I agree that they may not have much choice if they want to earn a paycheck this year, but they are going to have to approve whatever plan they come up with.
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Re: MLB Hot Stove 2019-20
« Reply #823 on: April 17, 2020, 03:44:05 PM »
Gang, if you're this pessimistic about getting folks back together and beginning to again act like people, then Good God, do you have any idea what's going to happen to this country?

Oscar Munoz, Chairman and CEO of United Airlines, put out a very dismal forecast for his airline for the rest of this year, predicated on very pessimistic assumptions about when United would be back to normal. In essence, he's more than a little worried that the nation's second largest airline will collapse by year-end. And I'm confident United is not alone in the airline sector. Nor is the airline sector alone in facing severe economic trauma!

We simply cannot exist walled up in our homes. While I'd argue that more than a few tech-oriented Millennial-geeks would be more than excited about it, commerce, society, religion and a host of other activities is predicated on human interaction and, dare I say, contact. As Catholics, for example, we seek the assurance and love of a community of believers and gain strength from coming together. Mass isn't something you watch on TV, for long!

Frankly, the longer SIP goes, the more likely it becomes that individuals will simply say, "screw it... I've had it!"

If we restrict interaction, travel, commerce and other things to either economically or politically blessed individuals, God help us.

For that reason, BRING ON BASEBALL -- WITH AN AUDIENCE!!!!!!


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« Reply #824 on: April 17, 2020, 03:59:44 PM »
You fail to understand there is a fundamental difference to opening up an economy so people can safely go to a restaurant, bar or retail shop, and allowing tens of thousands of people to attend a sporting event.

Read this:

https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/coronavirus-how-a-champions-league-match-contributed-to-italys-covid-19-outbreak/
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