Upsets! / Surprise results.

[VegasWarrior77]

I'm happy to trade a F%cky loss for that Purdue win.

I'm not Mike.

[BM1090]

Badgers pounded by NC State. Hopefully that loss doesn't end up hurting us too much on Selection Sunday.

It shouldn't. But it would be nice if they start winning some games. They only have 3 more non conference games and one is @ Tennesee so they are likely staring at a 6-5 non-conference. Gonna have a ton of work to do in conference to compete for a tournament bid.

[CountryRoads]

It shouldn't. But it would be nice if they start winning some games. They only have 3 more non conference games and one is @ Tennesee so they are likely staring at a 6-5 non-conference. Gonna have a ton of work to do in conference to compete for a tournament bid.

Sorry, should have used teal. Hope they keep losing. Big Ten looks like the best conference so it will be an uphill battle. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Our current season is starting remind me of last season.

First game is a convincing defensive win over a solid cupcake (UMBC/Loyola Md)
First loss is a blowout to a B1G team that is thought to be good preaseason but quickly fades (Indiana/Wisconsin)
Early season scare against a cupcake (Presbyterian/Robert Morris)
Solid win over a very good mid-major (Buffalo/Davidson)
Very convincing win over a solid but not great high-major (Kansas State/USC)
Blowout loss to a top 5 team in the holiday tournament (Kansas/Maryland)

Avoid the trainwreck in the last few weeks and I'd take that result!

[MU82]

Pretty decent summary of the offensive woes and unpredictability of college hoops this season.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article238038209.html?

Much of it is about UNC struggling when its far-and-away best player doesn't have a big game (sound familiar, Warrior fans?), but it's generally a reasonable overall look at the state of the game IMHO.

Welcome to the Year of the Rock Fight in college basketball, where not only has no dominant team -- or handful of dominant teams -- emerged, but no team seems to have any idea what it's going to do on any given night. By April, the Final Four may look like a bad poker hand: A 2, a pair of 4s and a 10.

[rocky_warrior]

look like a bad poker hand: A 2, a pair of 4s and a 10.

That's a terrible poker hand. 4 card poker is the worst, and eliminates the possibility of most good poker hands.

[JakeBarnes]

Pretty decent summary of the offensive woes and unpredictability of college hoops this season.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article238038209.html?

Much of it is about UNC struggling when its far-and-away best player doesn't have a big game (sound familiar, Warrior fans?), but it's generally a reasonable overall look at the state of the game IMHO.

Welcome to the Year of the Rock Fight in college basketball, where not only has no dominant team -- or handful of dominant teams -- emerged, but no team seems to have any idea what it's going to do on any given night. By April, the Final Four may look like a bad poker hand: A 2, a pair of 4s and a 10.

So you're saying there's a chance...

[Small Orange Soda]

Our current season is starting remind me of last season.

First game is a convincing defensive win over a solid cupcake (UMBC/Loyola Md)
First loss is a blowout to a B1G team that is thought to be good preaseason but quickly fades (Indiana/Wisconsin)
Early season scare against a cupcake (Presbyterian/Robert Morris)
Solid win over a very good mid-major (Buffalo/Davidson)
Very convincing win over a solid but not great high-major (Kansas State/USC)
Blowout loss to a top 5 team in the holiday tournament (Kansas/Maryland)

Avoid the trainwreck in the last few weeks and I'd take that result!

Comparing last year's Buffalo and K-State teams to Davidson and USC is rather, um, generous.

[Its DJOver]

Comparing last year's Buffalo and K-State teams to Davidson and USC is rather, um, generous.

Davidson and USC might be slightly worse than Buff and K-State, but then throw in two neutral site games rather than two home games and it makes a bit more sense.  Still not a perfect comparison, but I can certainly see where TAMU is coming from.

[Lennys Tap]

KState and Buffalo finished #20 and #22 in Pomeroy last year. Currently USC is #59, Davidson #85.

Kansas finished #17 (after their C was lost for the season), Maryland is currently #7. Indiana finished #52, UW sits at #60.

[BM1090]

KState and Buffalo finished #20 and #22 in Pomeroy last year. Currently USC is #59, Davidson #85.

Kansas finished #17 (after their C was lost for the season), Maryland is currently #7. Indiana finished #52, UW sits at #60.

I might be missing the comparison you're trying to make, but the Purdue team we beat is ranked #5 at Kenpom, better than any win we had last year.

[Galway Eagle]

KState and Buffalo finished #20 and #22 in Pomeroy last year. Currently USC is #59, Davidson #85.

Kansas finished #17 (after their C was lost for the season), Maryland is currently #7. Indiana finished #52, UW sits at #60.

You can't compare finished to current. Davidson is likely top 3 in the A10 this year, barring injury they'll rise.

[Lennys Tap]

I might be missing the comparison you're trying to make, but the Purdue team we beat is ranked #5 at Kenpom, better than any win we had last year.

I didn't make the comparisons, TAMU did. I was trying to add some (admittedly imperfect) context.

[Lennys Tap]

You can't compare finished to current. Davidson is likely top 3 in the A10 this year, barring injury they'll rise.

Maybe they end up #60, maybe #100. Do you think they'll end up #22 (Buffalo)? As I said, last year's final/this year's current is an imperfect comparison. But since TAMU made a comparison, it's the best way I could figure to give his comparisons context.

[Galway Eagle]

Maybe they end up #60, maybe #100. Do you think they'll end up #22 (Buffalo)? As I said, last year's final/this year's current is an imperfect comparison. But since TAMU made a comparison, it's the best way I could figure to give his comparisons context.

That's fair wanting to give his comparisons context but if the data isn't comparable right now I'm not sure that's the best way. No idea where they'll end up in Kenyon I think they'll be behind VCU and Dayton but still make the tournament

[brewcity77]

Maybe they end up #60, maybe #100. Do you think they'll end up #22 (Buffalo)? As I said, last year's final/this year's current is an imperfect comparison. But since TAMU made a comparison, it's the best way I could figure to give his comparisons context.

As someone who spends hours, probably days, every year studying and comparing schedules, you will never find perfect, clear comparisons. It's always fitting round pegs into square holes using triangular wrenches. That's why the old Chiclets post was so perfect:

(X) Non-conference near-miss against inferior opponent (Robert Morris)
(X) Non-conference stinker to inferior opponent (UW-Madison)
(X) Non-conference loss on big stage convinces board MU not ready for Big East (Maryland)
( ) Unmentionable conference loss
( ) Road Game we weren't supposed to win
( ) Late surge
( ) Top-half Big East Finish

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Comparing last year's Buffalo and K-State teams to Davidson and USC is rather, um, generous.

It's not meant to be a perfect comparison or to suggest anything about the quality of last year's team vs this year's team. Just having fun connecting dots.

[Small Orange Soda]

It's not meant to be a perfect comparison or to suggest anything about the quality of last year's team vs this year's team. Just having fun connecting dots.

Fair enough.

[Silkk the Shaka]

As someone who spends hours, probably days, every year studying and comparing schedules, you will never find perfect, clear comparisons. It's always fitting round pegs into square holes using triangular wrenches. That's why the old Chiclets post was so perfect:

(X) Non-conference near-miss against inferior opponent (Robert Morris)
(X) Non-conference stinker to inferior opponent (UW-Madison)
(X) Non-conference loss on big stage convinces board MU not ready for Big East (Maryland)
( ) Unmentionable conference loss
( ) Road Game we weren't supposed to win
( ) Late surge
( ) Top-half Big East Finish

Ha I predicted the Maryland beat down, will see how the rest of my predictions go:

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=34992.msg1175517#msg1175517

[Its DJOver]

Furman up double digits on #14 Auburn. Early second half.

[IrwinFletcher]

Ben Howland and Miss St just lost at home to La Tech.

[MU82]

Ben Howland and Miss St just lost at home to La Tech.

Wait? The Great Ben Howland? Musta been an imposter!

Furman up double digits on #14 Auburn. Early second half.

Auburn ends up winning in OT -- aided by as bad a call as you'll ever see.

Furman player throws a pass. It's obvious in real time that it's deflected out of bounds by an Auburn player. They decide to take a look at it and, even though the replay clearly shows the deflection, Auburn is awarded the basketball. The announcers couldn't believe it, and neither can I. The Furman coach, when he sees the replay on film, will be double-outraged.

Why even bother using replay if you refuse to pay attention to the replay?

[GB Warrior]

Would have been cool to see Furman come away with that one, a year after doing the same to Nova

[MU82]

Would have been cool to see Furman come away with that one, a year after doing the same to Nova

Agreed. Furman appeared to be a very well-coached team.

Even if that call hadn't been botched, Furman would have had trouble winning because of time and score when it happened. But still ... remarkably bad. Had that happened at the end of one of our games, Scoop would have had more than one thread dedicated to it -- and for good reason.

[withoutbias]

Agreed. Furman appeared to be a very well-coached team.

Even if that call hadn't been botched, Furman would have had trouble winning because of time and score when it happened. But still ... remarkably bad. Had that happened at the end of one of our games, Scoop would have had more than one thread dedicated to it -- and for good reason.

Some celebrating it.

Others questioning why Wojo didn't have Deonte Burton in the game.

Maybe some would've hand written their posts.