OT Memphis

[The Sultan]

Don't confuse the Fluffy Sultan with facts.  They just get in the way.

I am not confused in the least.  Stop lying.

[Cheeks]

" Smith's attorney, Ricky Lefft, spoke conspiratorially, telling The Commercial-Appeal, "If you've got somebody that wants the job and they're controlling most of the talent in the city, I'm not casting aspersions. I'll let you draw your own conclusions." (Smith, who was hired by his own alma mater, High Point, told the paper, "I wish Penny well and I'm sure that he'll get it done there.") Hardaway dismisses Lefft's implications. "There's no way I can control the talent in Memphis," he says. "I'm not that powerful."

That was 2017 and 18.  But ok, "official"

[Cheeks]

I am not confused in the least.  Stop lying.

You seem to be arguing for a half pregnant booster.

Meanwhile, Penny was involved in multiple activities with U of Memphis from 2015 to 2018 at games, meet and greets, etc. 

[wadesworld]

" Smith's attorney, Ricky Lefft, spoke conspiratorially, telling The Commercial-Appeal, "If you've got somebody that wants the job and they're controlling most of the talent in the city, I'm not casting aspersions. I'll let you draw your own conclusions." (Smith, who was hired by his own alma mater, High Point, told the paper, "I wish Penny well and I'm sure that he'll get it done there.") Hardaway dismisses Lefft's implications. "There's no way I can control the talent in Memphis," he says. "I'm not that powerful."

That was 2017 and 18.  But ok, "official"

As wrong as Fluffy is that the only thing making Penny a booster is an 11 year old donation, you're just as wrong here.  Penny wasn't an employee of Memphis.  But he was a booster.

What I do think is dumb is that the NCAA notified Memphis that Wiseman is "likely ineligible."  Wiseman is either eligible (which I believe he was deemed) or he is not.

[Billy Hoyle]

The story from Memphis is probably untrue. I've dealt with their compliance folks on an issue, and they were either complete idiots or slimy to a high degree.

From my experience, both.

[Nukem2]

As wrong as Fluffy is that the only thing making Penny a booster is an 11 year old donation, you're just as wrong here.  Penny wasn't an employee of Memphis.  But he was a booster.

Was he a (defacto) season ticket holder along the way?

[Pakuni]

Was he a (defacto) season ticket holder along the way?

What's a "defacto" season ticket holder?

[forgetful]

The story from Memphis is probably untrue. I've dealt with their compliance folks on an issue, and they were either complete idiots or slimy to a high degree.

From what I understand, Memphis did not disclose the money in the way they are trying to portray in the news until after the NCAA reopened, as a joint investigation with Memphis, the case. They reopened the case because more information than was disclosed became evident and highlighted serious problems.

[Cheeks]

As wrong as Fluffy is that the only thing making Penny a booster is an 11 year old donation, you're just as wrong here.  Penny wasn't an employee of Memphis.  But he was a booster.

What I do think is dumb is that the NCAA notified Memphis that Wiseman is "likely ineligible."  Wiseman is either eligible (which I believe he was deemed) or he is not.

More information came to light, so to say he was eligible as or he isn't is nonsense.  The NCAA can get more info at a later date that changes things...which appears to have happened here.

I didn't say he was an employee, but he is a booster.

I don't know why Sultan keeps missing this.

Booster definition Including these:

Been involved otherwise in promoting university athletics.

Participated in or has been a member of an organization promoting the university's athletic programs.


You can't have Penny out there at alumni events, honored at halftime, etc, etc and not violate at least one if not both of those.


He is a booster.  Period

One final piece to the NCAA definition...the most important piece.  "Once an individual is identified as a representative of the institution athletic's interests the person retains that identity FOREVER".

A donation 11 years ago makes him a booster forever.

[Nukem2]

What's a "defacto" season ticket holder?

Probably getting free tix for a lot of games?

[4everwarriors]

Free da Indy 500, hey?

[Uncle Rico]

Free James Wiseman.  Death to the NCAA

[Billy Hoyle]

Free James Wiseman.  Death to the NCAA

I'm sure you'd have the same opinion if an AAU coach paid to move a kid to Madison while he was scheming to have Gard fired, then, amazingly, got the kid to commit to Madison. Wiseman should never play another NCAA game at Memphis.

[brewcity77]

Good stuff from Gary Parish in the Eye On College Basketball podcast today. First, he said Memphis was aware Wiseman would likely be ruled ineligible before his first game. So this wasn't just some late decision by the NCAA, it was the school deliberately playing a player they knew they shouldn't play. He also said that after talking to other athletic administrators, the consensus was that no one else would've played Wiseman and that Memphis was basically nuts for doing so.

Parish is tied into Memphis and notoriously anti-NCAA when warranted, but he came out strongly saying that Memphis seemed to be in the wrong and that as long as NCAA rules exist, this is about as clear cut a violation as you'll find.

[Uncle Rico]

I'm sure you'd have the same opinion if an AAU coach paid to move a kid to Madison while he was scheming to have Gard fired, then, amazingly, got the kid to commit to Madison. Wiseman should never play another NCAA game at Memphis.

I am surprised when parents of Madison athletes move to Madison after their kids enroll

[Cheeks]

Good stuff from Gary Parish in the Eye On College Basketball podcast today. First, he said Memphis was aware Wiseman would likely be ruled ineligible before his first game. So this wasn't just some late decision by the NCAA, it was the school deliberately playing a player they knew they shouldn't play. He also said that after talking to other athletic administrators, the consensus was that no one else would've played Wiseman and that Memphis was basically nuts for doing so.

Parish is tied into Memphis and notoriously anti-NCAA when warranted, but he came out strongly saying that Memphis seemed to be in the wrong and that as long as NCAA rules exist, this is about as clear cut a violation as you'll find.

This is Memphis trying to cash in on the anti-NCAA nonsense of late to pile on...people like Rico and Sultan and others are auto locked in that mode.  Pretty soon we will have the sob stories from partial Memphis sport writers justifying this payment, etc.  So damn predictable, I'm just shocked that a hack like GP actually sees through this one...that tells me how much this one stinks to high heaven.  It also tells me what I have known about him for a long time, he is of the mind to soften all the rules because he genuinely thinks everyone breaks them...he's wrong, but that is his going in baseline.

[The Sultan]

Good stuff from Gary Parish in the Eye On College Basketball podcast today. First, he said Memphis was aware Wiseman would likely be ruled ineligible before his first game. So this wasn't just some late decision by the NCAA, it was the school deliberately playing a player they knew they shouldn't play. He also said that after talking to other athletic administrators, the consensus was that no one else would've played Wiseman and that Memphis was basically nuts for doing so.

Parish is tied into Memphis and notoriously anti-NCAA when warranted, but he came out strongly saying that Memphis seemed to be in the wrong and that as long as NCAA rules exist, this is about as clear cut a violation as you'll find.

I don't agree with the second paragraph, but he is right on the first one.

[Pakuni]

This is Memphis trying to cash in on the anti-NCAA nonsense of late to pile on...people like Rico and Sultan and others are auto locked in that mode.  Pretty soon we will have the sob stories from partial Memphis sport writers justifying this payment, etc.  So damn predictable, I'm just shocked that a hack like GP actually sees through this one...that tells me how much this one stinks to high heaven.  It also tells me what I have known about him for a long time, he is of the mind to soften all the rules because he genuinely thinks everyone breaks them...he's wrong, but that is his going in baseline.

There's nothing nonsensical about being anti-NCAA.
Believing that Wiseman is ineligible under the rules and believing the NCAA is a sham aren't mutually exclusive.

[Lennys Tap]

There's nothing nonsensical about being anti-NCAA.
Believing that Wiseman is ineligible under the rules and believing the NCAA is a sham aren't mutually exclusive.

True.

Neither is believing that the NCAA usually gets things wrong but this time got it right.

[brewcity77]

I don't agree with the second paragraph, but he is right on the first one.

I assume you don't agree with the sentiment, because in terms of content, while Parish applauded it because it will make for great radio content, he was pretty clear in saying this is a textbook rules violation.

[The Sultan]

I assume you don't agree with the sentiment, because in terms of content, while Parish applauded it because it will make for great radio content, he was pretty clear in saying this is a textbook rules violation.

Sure. If you believe in "textbook rules violations."

[MU82]

There's nothing nonsensical about being anti-NCAA.
Believing that Wiseman is ineligible under the rules and believing the NCAA is a sham aren't mutually exclusive.

Yep.

True.

Neither is believing that the NCAA usually gets things wrong but this time got it right.

Yep yep.

The whole "even a blind squirrel" thing applies.

[Cheeks]

There's nothing nonsensical about being anti-NCAA.
Believing that Wiseman is ineligible under the rules and believing the NCAA is a sham aren't mutually exclusive.

Maybe your ncaa is my gov't / media equivalent... now it makes sense.

[Pakuni]

Maybe your ncaa is my gov't / media equivalent... now it makes sense.

Politics.

[forgetful]

There's nothing nonsensical about being anti-NCAA.
Believing that Wiseman is ineligible under the rules and believing the NCAA is a sham aren't mutually exclusive.

Agreed. But there is nothing sensical about being anti-NCAA either. It is strictly an opinion one way or the other. Also, like any major organization, they get some things right, and some things wrong.