Wojo's Threshold

[TedBaxter]

If Wojo doesn’t win a NCAA tournament game this year he should be fired. The program has gone backwards under his leadership. There is zero enthusiasm, zero “buzz” and zero positivity come out of The Al. It’s all spin.

I’d be shocked if we make the NCAA.

Mr. Positive speaks.

[tower912]

Well, if Wojo is Crean without the final 4, remembering PRN's antipathy toward Crean, his attitude is consistent.

[MUfan12]

If Wojo doesn’t win a NCAA tournament game this year he should be fired. The program has gone backwards under his leadership. There is zero enthusiasm, zero “buzz” and zero positivity come out of The Al. It’s all spin.

I don't disagree.

[TheREALwrk]

If Wojo doesn’t win a NCAA tournament game this year he should be fired. The program has gone backwards under his leadership. There is zero enthusiasm, zero “buzz” and zero positivity come out of The Al. It’s all spin.

I’d be shocked if we make the NCAA.

Really? This year? BET.

[bilsu]

I think Wojo is gone, if he strikes out on his remaining big recruiting targets. He will not be fired, but he will realize that it is to hard to recruit at MU and move on.

[shoothoops]

I think many would like to see annual results similar to last season minus the NCAA result. 2nd in league, be respectable in conference tourney, be competitive v rivals and bigger name opponents. That’s what people are seeking. Obviously he needs to win in the NCAA’s. Missed opportunity not winning the league last year.

Prior to last year there were three seasons of essentially .500 middle of pack Big East Teams. That isn’t going to be good enough long term as the norm.

[Newsdreams]

Mr. Positive speaks.

When Butch speaks.....

[Shooter McGavin]

I think Wojo is gone, if he strikes out on his remaining big recruiting targets. He will not be fired, but he will realize that it is two hard to recruit at MU and move on.

That is my fear as well.   Need this recruiting class to come through for both the fans and wojos sanity.   If he comes through,  the programs direction will be decidedly forward because coaching consistency will pay off with more wins.

[Uncle Rico]

That is my fear as well.   Need this recruiting class to come through for both the fans and wojos sanity.   If he comes through,  the programs direction will be decidedly forward because coaching consistency will pay off with more wins.

Playing devils advocate a bit here, but what if the season is a rousing success and another school he can’t turn down poaches him?

Chances are, the class will be lost.  It’s a weird place to be in

[Pakuni]

I think Wojo is gone, if he strikes out on his remaining big recruiting targets. He will not be fired, but he will realize that it is two hard to recruit at MU and move on.

Why would he do that, and where does he think he's going to go where the recruiting is easier and the pay is better?

[Shooter McGavin]

I agree that could happen.  Hoping that both will occur and we are off to the races the next four years or so.

[Bad_Reporter]

I think Wojo is gone, if he strikes out on his remaining big recruiting targets. He will not be fired, but he will realize that it is two hard to recruit at MU and move on.

Maybe he should have at least 1 NCAA victory in the last 5 years.  That might help his cause. 

[bilsu]

Why would he do that, and where does he think he's going to go where the recruiting is easier and the pay is better?

My opinion is that both O'Neal and Crean left for schools they thought were easier to recruit to. A disappointing class for Wojo does not indicate positive on court success in the near future for Wojo. He be smart to depart while he can. It could be a Virginia Tech type move.

[muguru]

I usually have higher expectations than most here...but to be honest, I'm not expecting much at all from this year's team. Just think they are going to struggle offensively. Some games, painfully so.  It was a bitter reality to face the fact that MU will likely never win another national Championship in my lifetime, and, given the current state of the program, that seems so far off. I'm just really soured on Wojo's whole tenure, that I just accept this is likely the way things are going to be for the forseeable future. A mediocre (to slightly above) seasons that has/have decent regular season success, but doesn't win much(if at all) come tournament time. It sucks, but after 5 years we don't have any evidence to suggest otherwise. It is what it is. I don''t see MU getting rid of him anytime soon and that's their prerogative. I don't have much choice but to just accept whatever will be, will be.

[WhiteTrash]

My opinion is that both O'Neal and Crean left for schools they thought were easier to recruit to. A disappointing class for Wojo does not indicate positive on court success in the near future for Wojo. He be smart to depart while he can. It could be a Virginia Tech type move.

Barring a fantastic season with significant post season success I don't see a P6 school that would take him. If Marquette hired a coach to replace him that had a similar resume to Wojo's this board would be in full meltdown mode and rightfully so. I think any P6 AD would steer clear of trying to sell Wojo to his president, booster and fans.

I'm not trying to be a Wojo hater, I think he is classy, runs a clean and is very good in the community but the resume is very weak. 

[wadesworld]

Please address these questions to Herman Cain. We don’t need a poll, he can simply tell us straight from the parents of recruits we are going after, which is all that really matters.

[Pakuni]

My opinion is that both O'Neal and Crean left for schools they thought were easier to recruit to. A disappointing class for Wojo does not indicate positive on court success in the near future for Wojo. He be smart to depart while he can. It could be a Virginia Tech type move.

They left for bigger programs that provided bigger paychecks.

[dgies9156]

I usually have higher expectations than most here...but to be honest, I'm not expecting much at all from this year's team. Just think they are going to struggle offensively. Some games, painfully so.  It was a bitter reality to face the fact that MU will likely never win another national Championship in my lifetime, and, given the current state of the program, that seems so far off. I'm just really soured on Wojo's whole tenure, that I just accept this is likely the way things are going to be for the forseeable future. A mediocre (to slightly above) seasons that has/have decent regular season success, but doesn't win much(if at all) come tournament time. It sucks, but after 5 years we don't have any evidence to suggest otherwise. It is what it is. I don''t see MU getting rid of him anytime soon and that's their prerogative. I don't have much choice but to just accept whatever will be, will be.

Gosh, I hope you are wrong.

Again, as I said before, to measure Wojo you have to begin by setting expectations. You can't measure a space without a ruler and you can't measure Wojo's performance without an expectation.

Rule 1: We're not Vanderbilt. Or Stanford, Missouri, Arkansas, Minnesota, Washington etc. WE ARE MARQUETTE. It is not unreasonable to expect us to consistently compete for the Conference Championship, a Top 4 seed and most years to be in the conversation as one of the best teams in the country. If we want to be Vanderbilt, OK. Means we will be good once in awhile, bad occasionally and mediocre most of the time.

Rule 2: Being good and being good at it are not mutually exclusive. It means we can be a very good basketball team following whatever rules exist in the future. But, you say, people won't come to Milwaukee (which has been an argument in years past). Horses*it! If you're a consistent Top 25 team, they'll come, whether you're in Milwaukee, Spokane or Bismarck, ND. You have to recruit hard and successfully and then put players in the NBA.

My own feeling is I like what we once were. People FEARED US! They looked at people like Bob Lackey, Maurice Lucas or Gary Brell and said, "yikes!" I want to be feared again! I want people to see our guys walk out on the floor and shiver because we're tough as nails and have a really nasty attitude. Closest guys to making us that are Theo and Ed. You get fouled by Theo and you are "Theoed!"

I want to people to lose their lunch when they hear people scream, "WE ARE MARQUETTE..." 

[Cheeks]

If Wojo doesn’t win a NCAA tournament game this year he should be fired. The program has gone backwards under his leadership. There is zero enthusiasm, zero “buzz” and zero positivity come out of The Al. It’s all spin.

I’d be shocked if we make the NCAA.

Zero enthusiasm....except for the most sellouts in years.  Zero buzz...uhm, ok.   Hilarious.  Why don’t you throw that big omen of yours around, or maybe make a donation to the American CANCER Society with it.

[Cheeks]

I think Wojo is gone, if he strikes out on his remaining big recruiting targets. He will not be fired, but he will realize that it is to hard to recruit at MU and move on.

And based on the stupidity of this legislation being passed, he would be smart to get out and go to where the power consolidation will further solidify.

[shoothoops]

Gosh, I hope you are wrong.

Again, as I said before, to measure Wojo you have to begin by setting expectations. You can't measure a space without a ruler and you can't measure Wojo's performance without an expectation.

Rule 1: We're not Vanderbilt. Or Stanford, Missouri, Arkansas, Minnesota, Washington etc. WE ARE MARQUETTE. It is not unreasonable to expect us to consistently compete for the Conference Championship, a Top 4 seed and most years to be in the conversation as one of the best teams in the country. If we want to be Vanderbilt, OK. Means we will be good once in awhile, bad occasionally and mediocre most of the time.

Rule 2: Being good and being good at it are not mutually exclusive. It means we can be a very good basketball team following whatever rules exist in the future. But, you say, people won't come to Milwaukee (which has been an argument in years past). Horses*it! If you're a consistent Top 25 team, they'll come, whether you're in Milwaukee, Spokane or Bismarck, ND. You have to recruit hard and successfully and then put players in the NBA.

My own feeling is I like what we once were. People FEARED US! They looked at people like Bob Lackey, Maurice Lucas or Gary Brell and said, "yikes!" I want to be feared again! I want people to see our guys walk out on the floor and shiver because we're tough as nails and have a really nasty attitude. Closest guys to making us that are Theo and Ed. You get fouled by Theo and you are "Theoed!"

I want to people to lose their lunch when they hear people scream, "WE ARE MARQUETTE..."

Let's take the past 30 years of your example.

Marquette? 16 NCAA appearances. Vandy? 13. Marquette Sweet 16's? 5. Vandy? 4. Marquette has the elite 8 team and Final Four team. Not too extreme in differences. And one could easily say Marquette has certainly poured more resources into its efforts than Vandy.

The point is this has been the past THIRTY years.  The first thing is to accept reality of where Marquette is now, recent past, distant past etc...

Considering the resources, investment, and other factors, expectations do not need to be low. I'd like to see Marquette be a top 15 program which is a pretty big long term goal. At worst, I'd like to see Marquette be a top 25 program.

[Golden Avalanche]

If Wojo doesn’t win a NCAA tournament game this year he should be fired. The program has gone backwards under his leadership. There is zero enthusiasm, zero “buzz” and zero positivity come out of The Al. It’s all spin.

I’d be shocked if we make the NCAA.

If you can't be enthused about having an All-American who's one of the best players in our program's history on the court this season, the issue is not Wojo.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

If you can't be enthused about having an All-American who's one of the best players in our program's history on the court this season, the issue is not Wojo.

The kid that played in the Murray State game? No, I’m not enthused about watching him. It’s great for him when he’s scoring in bunches. The problem is it’s not great for the team or his teammates. Why not ask the players if they enjoy that? When he’s not “hot” it’s so painful that I’ve turned games off. That’s what we’ve all got to look forward to...followed by a ham handed coaching search that best not involve Lovell.

[Newsdreams]

Please address these questions to Herman Cain. We don’t need a poll, he can simply tell us straight from the parents of recruits we are going after, which is all that really matters.

Remember PM only

[mu03eng]

Remember PM only

And not after 8PM....that's Herman time