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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #200 on: November 21, 2019, 03:18:48 PM »
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Everyone sits for one year, be consistent, stop the nonsense and making the Grey area where everyone bitches.

I thought the NCAA proposal to allow immediate eligibility if a certain GPA were attained made sense, but the initial proposal of a 3.3 was too high and people like Goodman, Parrish and Goodman complained so the Condi Rice commission caved.
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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #201 on: November 21, 2019, 03:32:08 PM »
Is it possible for him to claim that after the letter he was "runoff" or that playing for MU lead to depression?

He can claim anything he wants, but arguing that he was run off because the coach didn't bend to his tactical demands wouldn't seem particularly effective.

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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #202 on: November 21, 2019, 03:45:12 PM »
He could show the NCAA a video of Markus yelling in his face and making him cry on the court in front of 15,000 fans and a National TV audience.
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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #203 on: November 21, 2019, 03:45:56 PM »
He could show the NCAA a video of Markus yelling in his face and making him cry on the court in front of 15,000 fans and a National TV audience.
I thought that was Izzo and Henry.
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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #204 on: November 21, 2019, 03:47:52 PM »
He could show the NCAA a video of Markus yelling in his face and making him cry on the court in front of 15,000 fans and a National TV audience.

What game was that?  I remember Joey staring in the distance as Markus was trying to motivate him.
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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #205 on: November 21, 2019, 03:57:19 PM »
He could show the NCAA a video of Markus yelling in his face and making him cry on the court in front of 15,000 fans and a National TV audience.

Curious if you say at DePaul.  Chick and I were courtside and witnessed his Team Captain (Markus) get up in his grill attempting to get him to wipe a 'sorry for himself' look off his face and get his head in the game.  I, for one, loved it.

I also loved said Team Captain congratulatory chest bumping young Jamal Cain who brought his A game that day when the team had faced foul trouble and he was forced to play major minutes.  Jamal had struggled in previous games but was important that night and his captain let him know it.... and he absolutely appreciated it.

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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #206 on: November 21, 2019, 04:14:35 PM »
Yes, it was the DePaul game.  And I loved what Markus was doing too.  But that was the day I started seeing Joey as a big crybaby.
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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #207 on: November 21, 2019, 04:18:48 PM »
I thought the NCAA proposal to allow immediate eligibility if a certain GPA were attained made sense, but the initial proposal of a 3.3 was too high and people like Goodman, Parrish and Goodman complained so the Condi Rice commission caved.

I still say pass.  A 3.3 or fill in the blank GPA for ______ Studies is different than a 3.3 in Marketing or Biology or Engineering or Computer Science.  Penalizing kids for majoring in tougher academic fields.
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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #208 on: November 21, 2019, 04:25:24 PM »
Not sure if this link will work or not but my Michigan St friends are bitching cuz Markus is on the committee so they think he blocked it. Obviously he’s a non voting member but they think he influenced the others. Him and Matt Painter.

I’m loving the Michigan St tears

http://web1.ncaa.org/committees/committees_roster.jsp?CommitteeName=1MBBOVERSIGH&fbclid=IwAR2trPZSmtX4q7mL7JcNsJSijBedrsAbEYOoB0EH7FAhl3hagFe6y9SnzZc

 
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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #209 on: November 21, 2019, 04:28:53 PM »
Not sure if this link will work or not but my Michigan St friends are bitching cuz Markus is in the committee so they think he blocked it. Obviously he’s a non voting member but they think he influenced the others. Him and Matt Painter.

I’m loving the Michigan St tears

http://web1.ncaa.org/committees/committees_roster.jsp?CommitteeName=1MBBOVERSIGH&fbclid=IwAR2trPZSmtX4q7mL7JcNsJSijBedrsAbEYOoB0EH7FAhl3hagFe6y9SnzZc

Lol.  Matt Painter loves him some Marquette!  Blocks Joey from being able to play right away, blows a game at MU so Dawson comes to MU and he doesn't see him in the B1G every year at IU.  Awesome!
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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #210 on: November 21, 2019, 04:35:13 PM »
Lol.  Matt Painter loves him some Marquette!  Blocks Joey from being able to play right away, blows a game at MU so Dawson comes to MU and he doesn't see him in the B1G every year at IU.  Awesome!

I think we know who is gonna replace Wojo...setting his own table.

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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #211 on: November 21, 2019, 04:37:15 PM »
I still say pass.  A 3.3 or fill in the blank GPA for ______ Studies is different than a 3.3 in Marketing or Biology or Engineering or Computer Science.  Penalizing kids for majoring in tougher academic fields.

I was fine with 2.6 since that's the threshold to get a APR point back for a transfer. 3.3 was too high. My thought was the committee was throwing that out there to look more charitable when they came back and said "ok, 3.0" or whatever. Instead, Condi and the committee caved to media pressure.
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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #212 on: November 21, 2019, 04:41:49 PM »
Everyone sits for one year, be consistent, stop the nonsense and making the Grey area where everyone bitches.

So a kid who can show he was mistreated or cut loose should be required to sit a year?
Makes sense.

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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #213 on: November 21, 2019, 04:42:47 PM »
Not sure if this link will work or not but my Michigan St friends are bitching cuz Markus is on the committee so they think he blocked it. Obviously he’s a non voting member but they think he influenced the others. Him and Matt Painter.

I’m loving the Michigan St tears

http://web1.ncaa.org/committees/committees_roster.jsp?CommitteeName=1MBBOVERSIGH&fbclid=IwAR2trPZSmtX4q7mL7JcNsJSijBedrsAbEYOoB0EH7FAhl3hagFe6y9SnzZc

This isn't the appeals committee that would have heard and decided the case. But if it were both Painter and Markus would have had to recused themselves.
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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #214 on: November 21, 2019, 04:42:52 PM »
Yes, it was the DePaul game.  And I loved what Markus was doing too.  But that was the day I started seeing Joey as a big crybaby.

It was truly awesome.  Joey had been playing like crap and missing free throws and was totally down in the dumps.  DePaul was doing more than just hanging around and Markus legitimately (and correctly) believed the 6'9" SPASH superstar needed a kick in the ass.  He wasn't derogatory and he didn't get personal and insult his mom.  He told a effin' Freshman what it took to win at this level, that he was central to his team's effort, and to get his head right.  All done from about a full head lower.  Beautiful.

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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #215 on: November 21, 2019, 04:43:40 PM »
Lol.  Matt Painter loves him some Marquette!  Blocks Joey from being able to play right away, blows a game at MU so Dawson comes to MU and he doesn't see him in the B1G every year at IU.  Awesome!

Painter had nothing to do with it. And these decisions don't have to be unanimous.
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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #216 on: November 21, 2019, 04:44:28 PM »
So a kid who can show he was mistreated or cut loose should be required to sit a year?
Makes sense.
Agreed. Sitting for a year automatically does no good for anyone. Just need more transparency and consistency in the process.

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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #217 on: November 21, 2019, 04:44:33 PM »
Too bad.  Should have been granted.

either you are in a real trolling mood or just weird.  akay-i'm grabbin me some popcorn and i'll sit back and listen
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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #218 on: November 21, 2019, 04:49:08 PM »
either you are in a real trolling mood or just weird.  akay-i'm grabbin me some popcorn and i'll sit back and listen

I’ve said many times that I don’t believe students should have to wait a year.
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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #219 on: November 21, 2019, 04:49:54 PM »
So a kid who can show he was mistreated or cut loose should be required to sit a year?
Makes sense.

Define mistreatment.  He called me a naughty name?  He made me feel small?  He said I sucked or was a kitten?  He hit me? He made me run 10X the other players?   The range is huge, what bothers one person doesn’t another, some coaches truly are abusive while in other cases entitled kid cannot take even the most mild form of criticism.

People need to stop
Whining when the NCAA says your sudden bout of depression that never existed and magically came up and can only be solved if you transfer to these three schools, too.  Way too much abuse and fraud going on.

How about this...NCAA finds you are fraudulent, you sit out TWO years.  I’d be on board with that to curtail the crap side going on

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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #220 on: November 21, 2019, 04:52:54 PM »
Define mistreatment.  He called me a naughty name?  He made me feel small?  He said I sucked or was a kitten?  He hit me? He made me run 10X the other players?   The range is huge, what bothers one person doesn’t another, some coaches truly are abusive while in other cases entitled kid cannot take even the most mild form of criticism.

People need to stop
Whining when the NCAA says your sudden bout of depression that never existed and magically came up and can only be solved if you transfer to these three schools, too.  Way too much abuse and fraud going on.

How about this...NCAA finds you are fraudulent, you sit out TWO years.  I’d be on board with that to curtail the crap side going on

Is it mistreatment if a coach punches a player?

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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #221 on: November 21, 2019, 04:57:42 PM »

Still waiting for someone with knowledge to tell me why the Hausers left. No speculation please and I don't have time to FOIL Joey's application.

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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #222 on: November 21, 2019, 05:10:22 PM »
Define mistreatment.  He called me a naughty name?  He made me feel small?  He said I sucked or was a kitten?  He hit me? He made me run 10X the other players?   The range is huge, what bothers one person doesn’t another, some coaches truly are abusive while in other cases entitled kid cannot take even the most mild form of criticism.

People need to stop
Whining when the NCAA says your sudden bout of depression that never existed and magically came up and can only be solved if you transfer to these three schools, too.  Way too much abuse and fraud going on.

How about this...NCAA finds you are fraudulent, you sit out TWO years.  I’d be on board with that to curtail the crap side going on

Define fraudulent.

Look, this is why an appeals process exists. So that a (hopefully) independent panel can examine the facts and circumstances of an individual's case and make a reasonable decision as to whether the situation was such that the player deserves a waiver.
What you're advocating instead is a dumb, one-size-fits-all solution that fails to take into account that some players are forced to transfer for reasons beyond their control, and they shouldn't be punished as a result.

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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #223 on: November 21, 2019, 05:14:21 PM »
either you are in a real trolling mood or just weird.  akay-i'm grabbin me some popcorn and i'll sit back and listen
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Re: Joey applied for waiver
« Reply #224 on: November 21, 2019, 05:30:41 PM »
Define mistreatment.  He called me a naughty name?  He made me feel small?  He said I sucked or was a kitten?  He hit me? He made me run 10X the other players?   The range is huge, what bothers one person doesn’t another, some coaches truly are abusive while in other cases entitled kid cannot take even the most mild form of criticism.

People need to stop
Whining when the NCAA says your sudden bout of depression that never existed and magically came up and can only be solved if you transfer to these three schools, too.  Way too much abuse and fraud going on.


How about this...NCAA finds you are fraudulent, you sit out TWO years.  I’d be on board with that to curtail the crap side going on

The burden is a lot higher than that.
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