NFL Thread 2019-2020

[jesmu84]

So, who won the Khalil Mack trade?

[The Sultan]

I'm starting to wonder if he's someone that wants to play into his 40s. Based on the concussions and collarbone injuries, he may one day announce retirement out of the blue.

I don't think he's distracted from football, but just wondering if he's ready to move onto the next phase of his life.

He's also clearly on the decline.  I have spent some of my quarantine time watching various games that have been uploaded to Youtube and it is very, very obvious that he isn't what he used to be.  Now he is still very good don't get me wrong, and he doesn't have the receiving corps he used to, but I wouldn't be surprised if he looks "washed up" in a year or two.

[MUeng]

The Packers used a similar value pick on Rodgers back in 2005.  The Packers were coming off a Wild Card playoff loss, and the time was ticking on Favre's career.  The next year sucked, going 4-12 in Sherman's last year, but they were in the NFC Championship Game two year after that.  And Rodgers had no impact in any of those years.

Moral of the story?  It doesn't matter if their window is right now.  Not every player has to be in that window.  Let's see what happens the right of the draft and the rest of the off-season.

I have no idea if Love is the guy or not.  I'm not smart enough to know if that's the case or not.  But Rodgers has 2, maybe 3 years left in a Packers uniform in my opinion.  If they feel *that* strongly about Love, it's not a terrible pick.

I think that's a fair assessment.  Rodgers is 36, declining in arm and mobility for sure.  Pack are in a position now to watch him walk in 3 years or so similar to what Favre and Brady did.  As much as I want an impact player for A-rod right now, I can see the business side of the decision as it attempts to set the team up for the future.  Have to think about the future at some point but still hard to accept

[cheebs09]

He's also clearly on the decline.  I have spent some of my quarantine time watching various games that have been uploaded to Youtube and it is very, very obvious that he isn't what he used to be.  Now he is still very good don't get me wrong, and he doesn't have the receiving corps he used to, but I wouldn't be surprised if he looks "washed up" in a year or two.

Aaron Nagler is someone I like to follow on Twitter. He's tough on Rodgers, but I wouldn't say unfair. Rodgers footwork and fundamentals have really deteriorated. It's really affected his accuracy. Also, not taking an underneath route that's open has always frustrated me.

[hairy worthen]

The Packers used a similar value pick on Rodgers back in 2005.  The Packers were coming off a Wild Card playoff loss, and the time was ticking on Favre's career.  The next year sucked, going 4-12 in Sherman's last year, but they were in the NFC Championship Game two year after that.  And Rodgers had no impact in any of those years.

Moral of the story?  It doesn't matter if their window is right now.  Not every player has to be in that window.  Let's see what happens the right of the draft and the rest of the off-season.

I have no idea if Love is the guy or not.  I'm not smart enough to know if that's the case or not.  But Rodgers has 2, maybe 3 years left in a Packers uniform in my opinion.  If they feel *that* strongly about Love, it's not a terrible pick.

Agree. If they think Love is the guy and was the best value, then its ok. Still not crazy about it, but I understand it.

Fans want instant gratification, but a good GM plans for stability of the future. We will see in a few years how it plays out.

[MUfan12]

Aaron Nagler is someone I like to follow on Twitter. He's tough on Rodgers, but I wouldn't say unfair. Rodgers footwork and fundamentals have really deteriorated. It's really affected his accuracy. Also, not taking an underneath route that's open has always frustrated me.

He looked washed up at times last season. Missed a ton of easy throws. For three quarters of that game at Detroit last year it was like the Monstars took his talent.

I think Gutey would rather keep a guy one year too short than too long, and I'm expecting a trade if Rodgers in the next two years.

[Jockey]

He looked washed up at times last season. Missed a ton of easy throws. For three quarters of that game at Detroit last year it was like the Monstars took his talent.

I think Gutey would rather keep a guy one year too short than too long, and I'm expecting a trade if Rodgers in the next two years.

Even with Rodgers' decline, GB only has 3 playmakers. Looks like 2 of them will be gone soon. Gutsy has yet to show that he has the ability to draft good players.

[Sir Lawrence]

From an amateur sports psychologist point of view, it will be interesting to see how Rodgers reacts.  The conventional wisdom has been that he played with a chip on his shoulder because of how far he fell on the draft board and how Favre treated him.  If he feels disrespected, will that chip return and he returns to glory? 

[Hards Alumni]

The Packers used a similar value pick on Rodgers back in 2005. The Packers were coming off a Wild Card playoff loss, and the time was ticking on Favre's career.  The next year sucked, going 4-12 in Sherman's last year, but they were in the NFC Championship Game two year after that.  And Rodgers had no impact in any of those years.

Moral of the story?  It doesn't matter if their window is right now.  Not every player has to be in that window.  Let's see what happens the right of the draft and the rest of the off-season.

I have no idea if Love is the guy or not.  I'm not smart enough to know if that's the case or not.  But Rodgers has 2, maybe 3 years left in a Packers uniform in my opinion.  If they feel *that* strongly about Love, it's not a terrible pick.

We're going to disagree here.  Rodgers was supposed to go 1 or 2.  He landed in the Packers lap at 24.  That is a bit different than trading up for the 4th QB to be taken.  I get that the Packers must like something about him, but talent evaluation under Gunte has been suspect at best.  How do we think Love will be different from Brett Hundley?  Don't they check a lot of the same boxes?

[GB Warrior]

McCockiner strikes again https://twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/1253736631712059398?s=19

[The Sultan]

We're going to disagree here.  Rodgers was supposed to go 1 or 2.  He landed in the Packers lap at 24.  That is a bit different than trading up for the 4th QB to be taken.  I get that the Packers must like something about him, but talent evaluation under Gunte has been suspect at best.  How do we think Love will be different from Brett Hundley?  Don't they check a lot of the same boxes?

I meant similar value = late first round.   That's it.

I don't know enough about how quarterbacks translate to the NFL to suggest any more than that.

[Jockey]

Packers biggest weakness is at inside linebacker. The 2 players taken after Love were ILBs.

Gonna be a lot of looking back at that next year (and the year after).

[MU82]

Now that Carolina drafted Derrick Brown, I'm sensing a lot of fear of the Panthers on the board here. Trying to decide if this means 16-0 this season or just a more realistic 15-1.

[Sir Lawrence]

Colin called it two months ago.  Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn and such...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TJZqPS9UGc

[BM1090]

Colin called it two months ago.  Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn and such...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TJZqPS9UGc

Colin also recorded a show where he did a segment saying the Packers would be crazy to draft a QB.

[Sir Lawrence]

Colin also recorded a show where he did a segment saying the Packers would be crazy to draft a QB.

Oh, I'm not a fan, hence my blind squirrel comment.  But it's amusing. 

[CreightonWarrior]

Lots of WRs coming off the board early. Rodgers is going to get no help.

[Hards Alumni]

Lots of WRs coming off the board early. Rodgers is going to get no help.

Packers need Mims.

[tower912]

I did not feel RB was a position of need for the Lions.   Would have liked to see a DL.    Then again, based on recent history of Lion running backs, he will get seriously injured by the end of October.    And it will be on to one of the others. 

[Jockey]

Packers need Mims.

I agree. I'm glad Kmart is gone as he is the guy I was scared Gutey was gonna draft.

[Jockey]

I did not feel RB was a position of need for the Lions.   Would have liked to see a DL.    Then again, based on recent history of Lion running backs, he will get seriously injured by the end of October.    And it will be on to one of the others.

Funny. As I was watching, I said to myself that the Lions weren't smart enough to draft Swift. I thought it was a no-brainer.

I realize they may have had bigger needs, but don't pass on a guy that good.

[tower912]

Yeah, I get that angle, too.   We shall see.   

[The Sultan]

I agree. I'm glad Kmart is gone as he is the guy I was scared Gutey was gonna draft.

I think they believe Jace Sternberger will step in fine if he stays healthy.

[Jockey]

I think they believe Jace Sternberger will step in fine if he stays healthy.

Im worried they'll draft Trautman.

[MU82]

So, who won the Khalil Mack trade?

A relative who is a Bears fan determined that the Bears did because the two guys the Raiders drafted with the first-round picks they acquired (Jacobs, Arnette) were taken too high each year.

I told him that's not really how it works. You have to look at all the guys the Bears could have drafted. Plus, Jacobs certainly looks more than decent so far. Too early to tell.

I say all that knowing you were just being sarcastic, jes, but what the heck.