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Is this good for the big east

Good for the Big East
260 (82.3%)
Bad for the Big East
28 (8.9%)
Arby's sauce packet
28 (8.9%)

Total Members Voted: 316

Johnny B

Quote from: Herman Cain on June 23, 2019, 04:42:04 PM
Good polling results.

This one got a lot of responses:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58467.0
We have a very active board relative to other big east teams

Herman Cain

Quote from: Johnny B on June 23, 2019, 04:43:22 PM
We have a very active board relative to other big east teams
Our moderators made an excellent product that is easy to use.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

brewcity77

Quote from: Johnny B on June 23, 2019, 04:43:22 PM
We have a very active board relative to other big east teams

We have a lot of overactive fans with way too much time on their hands.


Dr. Blackheart


#UnleashSean

Quote from: Herman Cain on June 23, 2019, 04:47:02 PM
Our moderators made an excellent product that is easy to use.

I've seen the other boards teams are on. They are downright awful to navigate and use.

mu03eng

Sneaky positive advantage of UConn in the Big East is the ESPN visibility....both being local fans in Bristol and as a provider of talent that ends up at ESPN
"A Plan? Oh man, I hate plans. That means were gonna have to do stuff. Can't we just have a strategy......or a mission statement."

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brewcity77

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on June 23, 2019, 06:18:20 PM
Wtf?  Arby's is tied with bad?

Arby's to me represents the "there's no effing way to know at this point" answer. And we don't. There's lots of reasons for concerns, there are also reasons for optimism. Could go either way. So Arby's.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

One other thing that I think could be addressed. UConn wasn't the only school seeking an ACC invite that failed back when the Old Big East broke up.....Some of our Catholic 7 brethren....and ourselves were trying our best to convince the ACC to take on basketball only members.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


MU Fan in Connecticut

Quote from: Cheeks on June 23, 2019, 02:11:44 PM
My guess is politically that is untenable....hopefully that doesn't get me a temp ban here.

A lot of money was poured into football, stadium, coaching staff, etc, and just burning things to the ground is not what pols do very often.  Usually it is double down and then triple down for all too many of them. Why would this be different?

Chico's is spot on here.

rocket surgeon

Quote from: GooooMarquette on June 23, 2019, 08:55:11 AM

Which is why I said it was good...as long as UConn is not the beginning of the addition of more FB schools.

I have no idea what the future holds, so that could happen. But I think it's quite unlikely for the exact reason you stated - because of what happened 6 years ago. IMHO, Val and the crew have that front and center in their minds as they contemplate the future.

what decent/good schools sans football, but with good basketball programs and academics and a better proximity than say, gonzaga are out there?  gonzaga might be a good get, geographics aside-note hawaii seems to pull off the logistics part just fine
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GooooMarquette

Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 24, 2019, 05:55:01 AM

what decent/good schools sans football, but with good basketball programs and academics and a better proximity than say, gonzaga are out there?  gonzaga might be a good get, geographics aside-note hawaii seems to pull off the logistics part just fine



I thought this board has gone over them multiple times over the years, but since you asked:

SLU
Richmond
VCU
Dayton
St. Joe's
Wichita State
Fordham

I know you can question how "decent/good" some of these programs are, but if we're honest, they are all better than DePaul and maybe even St. John's, and a couple (VCU, WSU) could easily become top-half BE teams. I honestly want no part of most of these programs and hope we stick to 11, but if the BE chose to expand further, I would prefer them to schools with DI football programs, like UC or Memphis.

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: GooooMarquette on June 24, 2019, 07:51:22 AM

I thought this board has gone over them multiple times over the years, but since you asked:

SLU
Richmond
VCU
Dayton
St. Joe's
Wichita State
Fordham

I know you can question how "decent/good" some of these programs are, but if we're honest, they are all better than DePaul and maybe even St. John's, and a couple (VCU, WSU) could easily become top-half BE teams. I honestly want no part of most of these programs and hope we stick to 11, but if the BE chose to expand further, I would prefer them to schools with DI football programs, like UC or Memphis.

Fordham?  Seriously? What has St. Joe's done in hoops since West and Nelson graduated? Besides, Nova would never sign off on St. Joe's joining.

And, you have to take into account all other sports.  DePaul and St. John's have overall departments stronger than most, if not all of those schools.  The Big East is more than a Basketball conference.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 24, 2019, 03:59:01 PM
Fordham?  Seriously? What has St. Joe's done in hoops since West and Nelson graduated? Besides, Nova would never sign off on St. Joe's joining.

And, you have to take into account all other sports.  DePaul and St. John's have overall departments stronger than most, if not all of those schools.  The Big East is more than a Basketball conference.

!st paragraph? Agree 100%.

2nd paragraph? Maybe more than a basketball conference - but not so much that it matters.

Richie

As an MU grad who loves our program first and foremost, but also a New Englander who loved the Friars and remembers the excitement of the first BE season in 79-80 and the disappointment of Gtown losing to a Big 10 team pre-Ewing in the NCAA tourney, none of the teams mentioned below belong in the Big East, now or then.

I already sound like the get off my lawn guy, but UConn belongs in the BE. They had a solid program under Dom Perno, Corny Thompson was a favorite, and then Calhoun took then national. Those teams and programs are not BE teams, at all. UConn to the BE is a win/win, even if they leave in 5 years, which I do not believe will happen. 
Quote from: GooooMarquette on June 24, 2019, 07:51:22 AM

I thought this board has gone over them multiple times over the years, but since you asked:

SLU
Richmond
VCU
Dayton
St. Joe's
Wichita State
Fordham

I know you can question how "decent/good" some of these programs are, but if we're honest, they are all better than DePaul and maybe even St. John's, and a couple (VCU, WSU) could easily become top-half BE teams. I honestly want no part of most of these programs and hope we stick to 11, but if the BE chose to expand further, I would prefer them to schools with DI football programs, like UC or Memphis.

The Lens

Quote from: brewcity77 on June 23, 2019, 09:54:29 PM
Arby's to me represents the "there's no effing way to know at this point" answer. And we don't. There's lots of reasons for concerns, there are also reasons for optimism. Could go either way. So Arby's.

Ummm to be clear, there are no reasons for concern.  It's f'n UConn not ECU or even Dayton. 
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

brewcity77

Quote from: The Lens on June 24, 2019, 06:16:09 PM
Ummm to be clear, there are no reasons for concern.  It's f'n UConn not ECU or even Dayton.

There are. They've been well outlined. Just because some choose to dismiss them doesn't negate their existence.

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: brewcity77 on June 24, 2019, 06:28:26 PM
There are. They've been well outlined. Just because some choose to dismiss them doesn't negate their existence.

The only one I've seen brought up is that they might leave one day. That's not a reason for concern. You milk them for all you can however long they are here and then collect a fat penalty check when they leave.

You said earlier that this inviting a fox into the henhouse. It's not. It's inviting a fellow fox into a den of foxes. Every single school in the Big East would burn down every other program in a heartbeat if it meant getting an invite to the ACC. The fact that UConn also wants into the ACC is not a reason for concern.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Herman Cain

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 24, 2019, 08:23:07 PM
The only one I've seen brought up is that they might leave one day. That's not a reason for concern. You milk them for all you can however long they are here and then collect a fat penalty check when they leave.

You said earlier that this inviting a fox into the henhouse. It's not. It's inviting a fellow fox into a den of foxes. Every single school in the Big East would burn down every other program in a heartbeat if it meant getting an invite to the ACC. The fact that UConn also wants into the ACC is not a reason for concern.
Just to refresh peoples memory,there were a whole bunch of people at a pretty high level in Georgetown working the system to try and get them invited to the ACC as a basketball only member during the entire period of the dismemberment of the old Big East. 
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Herman Cain on June 24, 2019, 08:29:31 PM
Just to refresh peoples memory,there were a whole bunch of people at a pretty high level in Georgetown working the system to try and get them invited to the ACC as a basketball only member during the entire period of the dismemberment of the old Big East.

It wasn't just Georgetown. They were just the last one to get the hint.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

I do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.


Herman Cain

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 24, 2019, 09:09:43 PM
It wasn't just Georgetown. They were just the last one to get the hint.
The funny thing was their fan base actually believed it was their devine right.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

The Lens

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on June 24, 2019, 08:23:07 PM
The only one I've seen brought up is that they might leave one day. That's not a reason for concern. You milk them for all you can however long they are here and then collect a fat penalty check when they leave.

You said earlier that this inviting a fox into the henhouse. It's not. It's inviting a fellow fox into a den of foxes. Every single school in the Big East would burn down every other program in a heartbeat if it meant getting an invite to the ACC. The fact that UConn also wants into the ACC is not a reason for concern.

EXACTLY!  Meanwhile UConn is burning down their football team to keep their basketball team warm. 
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

Billy Hoyle

Quote from: Herman Cain on June 24, 2019, 09:13:57 PM
The funny thing was their fan base actually believed it was their devine right.

I've heard from Georgetown grads that an Ivy League invite could happen at any time. They really believe this.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

brewcity77

Quote from: The Lens on June 24, 2019, 11:41:48 PM
EXACTLY!  Meanwhile UConn is burning down their football team to keep their basketball team warm.

What exactly are they doing to burn down football? Everyone keeps saying this, but UConn keeps saying they haven't yet decided what they will do. I don't believe they don't have a plan, but continually putting off what it is doesn't inspire confidence.

The Sultan

Leaving a conference with little likelihood of their football team joining another one of equal or greater stature means they're de-emphasizing football. And again I'm not sure what the harm is otherwise.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

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