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Title: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Johnny B on June 22, 2019, 01:53:52 PM
curious to see the general view of the overall board.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: MUfan12 on June 22, 2019, 02:01:01 PM
I don't see how this is anything but a positive. They may not share the private, religious identity but they're as Big East as it gets. Plus losing a crap buy game is always a good thing for this STH.

I'm sure the league will protect itself in the event they leave. And even then, I don't think it'll leave much of a mark.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: source? on June 22, 2019, 02:13:30 PM
Confirms the BE position  as a predator in the world of hoops, devalues the AAC, who views itself as on our level and  eventually capable of overtaking us, improves BE historical optics by adding 3 championships, gives us a strong men's basketball program, and the women's blue blood,  also improves our non-revenue sports. What's not to love?
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: GB Warrior on June 22, 2019, 03:00:53 PM
Maybe I'm conflating things here but since UConn is public, does the BE now have to open its books? I don't see an issue with this but just curious.

Hard to view this as anything other than a positive. Hope the men's program can regain some of its former glory.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 22, 2019, 03:03:09 PM
Maybe I'm conflating things here but since UConn is public, does the BE now have to open its books? I don't see an issue with this but just curious.

Hard to view this as anything other than a positive. Hope the men's program can regain some of its former glory.

The BE doesn’t have to open it’s books but you can infer financial information about the BE due to UConns books being open. My guess is that most of it is as reported.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: GB Warrior on June 22, 2019, 03:20:09 PM
The BE doesn’t have to open it’s books but you can infer financial information about the BE due to UConns books being open. My guess is that most of it is as reported.

Thanks, so exactly like GB and being able to glean general financial health and things like revenue sharing
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: GooooMarquette on June 22, 2019, 05:25:00 PM
Good.

The ONLY potential downside I see would be if it opened the door for the BE to continue expanding with FB teams. IMHO, that is extremely unlikely. As in 'meteor hitting your house' unlikely, after what happened a few years ago.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Benny B on June 22, 2019, 07:39:23 PM
I don’t see how anyone could think allowing UConn to retain all of their tournament shares for the first 15 years in the BE is worthy of a “Good for Big East” vote. 
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 22, 2019, 08:53:17 PM
Not sure. We'll see in a few years. If the league stays at 11, if UConn is earning NCAA credits, and if they are stably here to stay, then good.

I'm not convinced that will all come to pass.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on June 22, 2019, 09:36:10 PM
Good.

The ONLY potential downside I see would be if it opened the door for the BE to continue expanding with FB teams. IMHO, that is extremely unlikely. As in 'meteor hitting your house' unlikely, after what happened a few years ago.

Disagree with this.
The BE made the mistake fo expanding to basically 50/50 football to non football in the past.  Given the current makeup and past mistakes this will never happen again.  Im 100% in favor of uconn and even Cincy, although that clearly creates issues with Xavier.  Never the less, 1-4 football schools is a non issue as the BE should word the by laws as we control everything and there is no football.  They go else where and no problem we retain our core 10
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 22, 2019, 10:53:55 PM
The more I think about this, the more it's just bad. Schools like UConn didn't make the Big East great, they made the Big East capitulate.

The only difference between UConn, Syracuse, & Pittsburgh is the latter two got lucky. UConn would've backstabbed us then and they'd do it now. Football is a cancer and any programs aspiring to D1 football should stay away. I'd prefer to keep programs like that far away from our league.

Give me Dayton, St Louis, or Fordham over UConn. They have far more in common with the current members of the league.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: The Lens on June 22, 2019, 11:33:31 PM
The more I think about this, the more it's just bad. Schools like UConn didn't make the Big East great, they made the Big East capitulate.

The only difference between UConn, Syracuse, & Pittsburgh is the latter two got lucky. UConn would've backstabbed us then and they'd do it now. Football is a cancer and any programs aspiring to D1 football should stay away. I'd prefer to keep programs like that far away from our league.

Give me Dayton, St Louis, or Fordham over UConn. They have far more in common with the current members of the league.

Put down the bourbon, you're just drunk.

You're typing things you'll regret in the morning.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: WarriorFan on June 23, 2019, 12:14:39 AM
Seal it, then get Syracuse or ND for all sports except football.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: D'Lo Brown on June 23, 2019, 01:43:48 AM
Give me Dayton, St Louis, or Fordham over UConn. They have far more in common with the current members of the league.

You might be able to have your cake and eat it too, doesn't adding Uconn increase the likelihood of snagging another school within the next few years?

Also, what are you actually getting at. I don't know the first thing about Fordham athletics but I would be surprised if they are a basketball-first school on the level of Uconn. We are talking about athletics here, are we not? If Uconn had a Satanic Temple on campus, would they be a worse fit?
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 23, 2019, 01:46:40 AM
The more I think about this, the more it's just bad. Schools like UConn didn't make the Big East great, they made the Big East capitulate.

The only difference between UConn, Syracuse, & Pittsburgh is the latter two got lucky. UConn would've backstabbed us then and they'd do it now. Football is a cancer and any programs aspiring to D1 football should stay away. I'd prefer to keep programs like that far away from our league.

Give me Dayton, St Louis, or Fordham over UConn. They have far more in common with the current members of the league.

Brew, you’re high as hell of you think any of the schools you mentioned move the needle as much as UConn.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 23, 2019, 02:07:05 AM
The more I think about this, the more it's just bad. Schools like UConn didn't make the Big East great, they made the Big East capitulate.

The only difference between UConn, Syracuse, & Pittsburgh is the latter two got lucky. UConn would've backstabbed us then and they'd do it now. Football is a cancer and any programs aspiring to D1 football should stay away. I'd prefer to keep programs like that far away from our league.

Give me Dayton, St Louis, or Fordham over UConn. They have far more in common with the current members of the league.

Brew, I'll be honest, I don't get this at all. Is this fear that one school with football will somehow destroy the Big East from within? Or is this leftover anger at the football schools fro breaking up the old Big East? Cause there's no logical reason to prefer Dayton, SLU, or Fordham over UConn.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: MUMonster03 on June 23, 2019, 03:00:13 AM
Disagree with this.
The BE made the mistake fo expanding to basically 50/50 football to non football in the past.  Given the current makeup and past mistakes this will never happen again.  Im 100% in favor of uconn and even Cincy, although that clearly creates issues with Xavier.  Never the less, 1-4 football schools is a non issue as the BE should word the by laws as we control everything and there is no football.  They go else where and no problem we retain our core 10

I think a lot of other schools, like Cincy, are happy with where their football program is and only would want to move up. As conferences become larger and go to 9 game schedules it will get tougher for ND to stay independent since schools will only have 3 non con games. This all limits who we can actually add and most other schools would be adding a school for the sake of adding, where as UConn at least brings the best Women's team in the country and vastly improves the perception of the Big East for womans basketball. As for men's they become one of many Big East schools trying to reclaim past glory; MU, Georgetown, St. Johns, etc..)
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 23, 2019, 05:48:39 AM
Brew, I'll be honest, I don't get this at all. Is this fear that one school with football will somehow destroy the Big East from within? Or is this leftover anger at the football schools fro breaking up the old Big East? Cause there's no logical reason to prefer Dayton, SLU, or Fordham over UConn.

There's no logical reason to add any of them. I don't want Dayton, SLU, or Fordham, but a like minded university with common goals, ANY like minded university, would be preferential to a known toxin.

JFC people did we all forget what happened 6 years ago? We got out of the conference reshuffling game by getting away from programs like this. Today it's just UConn, tomorrow it's just Cincinnati, then it's just Memphis & Temple & UCF & SMU because they have decent basketball programs, then it's a 6-team Big East football league doing double round robins of their own as they audition for the ACC.

A $100M+ escalating buyout should be the first thing they agree to. The second is to dissolve their football program to D2 at best & if they ever again apply for D1 football status, they immediately have to pay $100M to each member of the league.

I'm a fan of the Big East. I'm a fan of college basketball. Those two things are fine. Mixing in D1 football is a mistake. It's an attempt to chase a bygone era, a good old days that wasn't as good as the days that have come since we got the hell away from toxic programs like UConn.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 23, 2019, 06:23:19 AM
You're worrying too much about what happened in the past and projecting that is what is going to happen in the future.  I'm sure the leadership of the conference, and its presidents, have had good talks about what it means when they add UConn.  I'm sure they have talked with UConn as well.  This isn't the 1990s when you had a bunch of members who are independents in football and need a league to join.  The circumstances are completely different.  And your proposed financial terms are absurd.  Especially when three current members already play football at the D1 level.

Sure UConn might leave down the line due to football.  That's OK. 
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 23, 2019, 07:03:19 AM
You're worrying too much about what happened in the past and projecting that is what is going to happen in the future.

No, people are glorifying the past and refusing to acknowledge that it might help predict the future. UConn was active and complicit in efforts to destroy the league. Just because they failed to get to the ACC while Syracuse & Pitt succeeded doesn't make them any different.

There's this sudden panic to rush to 20 games & adding a school that doesn't fit this league is a kneejerk reaction to that rush. 6 years ago the C7 recognized that bringing in BYU & Boise State was a bad idea. Football runs the farm everywhere except here. We're bringing a fox into our award winning henhouse and expecting it to all work out.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 23, 2019, 07:19:37 AM
No, people are glorifying the past and refusing to acknowledge that it might help predict the future. UConn was active and complicit in efforts to destroy the league. Just because they failed to get to the ACC while Syracuse & Pitt succeeded doesn't make them any different.

Of course it does. It means their circumstances have changed.  It means they aren't in a Power 5 football conference, with all the money that brings, and playing at the fringes of FBS football, in a terrible location for football recruiting.  They know they aren't going to succeed football wise.  They know a Power 5 invite isn't coming anytime soon, and probably ever. 


There's this sudden panic to rush to 20 games & adding a school that doesn't fit this league is a kneejerk reaction to that rush.

Panic? Why do you think there is any panic involved?  If there is one thing the BE leadership has done, it isn't panic.  Did they panic when the B10 put their conference tournament in MSG?  No, they negotiated a better contract and locked it down for another decade. Did they panic and add Dayton when Archie Miller was having success there?  No, they waited for something better to come around.

This conference leadership has been thoughtful and strong for the past six years - ever since they made the bold move to leave the OBE behind.  They deserve the benefit of the doubt that they approached this topic the same way.


6 years ago the C7 recognized that bringing in BYU & Boise State was a bad idea. Football runs the farm everywhere except here. We're bringing a fox into our award winning henhouse and expecting it to all work out.

The BE is doing nothing of the sort.  They aren't starting a football conference like they did before.  They have members who play football.  Just like they already had.  A crappy FBS program is a couple steps ahead of a good FCS one.

Basketball is the priority.  That hasn't changed.  And this opinion piece states that.

https://www.courant.com/sports/hc-sp-uconn-big-east-column-20190623-w4s4rlneqfbjpbtjqvbqalrkim-story.html

"UConn won’t chase a football national championship in our lifetime, the Power 5 ship has sailed and the university’s true brand must be re-established and strengthened. For a handful of years the stance in Storrs seemed to be that the proud basketball programs would thrive through the power of their own volition and rich history while the university pursued a the Power 5 pipe dream.

No more of that. Nothing comes at the expense of UConn basketball and nothing should. You place your most valuable pieces accordingly and let the rest fall into place from there."
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on June 23, 2019, 08:13:02 AM
The more I think about this, the more it's just bad. Schools like UConn didn't make the Big East great, they made the Big East capitulate.

The only difference between UConn, Syracuse, & Pittsburgh is the latter two got lucky. UConn would've backstabbed us then and they'd do it now. Football is a cancer and any programs aspiring to D1 football should stay away. I'd prefer to keep programs like that far away from our league.

Give me Dayton, St Louis, or Fordham over UConn. They have far more in common with the current members of the league.

All three of those teams are non-starters.  Fox TV execs want inventory.   Which set of games sound more attractive?

Villanova vs UConn
Georgetown vs UConn
Marquette vs UConn

Or

Villanova vs Dayton
Georgetown vs SLU
Marquette vs Fordham
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: 🏀 on June 23, 2019, 08:49:28 AM
unnatural carnal knowledge Dayton.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: GooooMarquette on June 23, 2019, 08:55:11 AM

JFC people did we all forget what happened 6 years ago? We got out of the conference reshuffling game by getting away from programs like this. Today it's just UConn, tomorrow it's just Cincinnati, then it's just Memphis & Temple & UCF & SMU because they have decent basketball programs, then it's a 6-team Big East football league doing double round robins of their own as they audition for the ACC.



Which is why I said it was good...as long as UConn is not the beginning of the addition of more FB schools.

I have no idea what the future holds, so that could happen. But I think it's quite unlikely for the exact reason you stated - because of what happened 6 years ago. IMHO, Val and the crew have that front and center in their minds as they contemplate the future.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Nukem2 on June 23, 2019, 09:00:37 AM

Which is why I said it was good...as long as UConn is not the beginning of the addition of more FB schools.

I have no idea what the future holds, so that could happen. But I think it's quite unlikely for the exact reason you stated - because of what happened 6 years ago. IMHO, Val and the crew have that front and center in their minds as they contemplate the future.
Yep, UConn would only be one of 11.  Which is fine as long as the 1 does not become 2,3,4,etc.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 23, 2019, 09:25:18 AM
All three of those teams are non-starters.  Fox TV execs want inventory.   Which set of games sound more attractive?

Villanova vs UConn
Georgetown vs UConn
Marquette vs UConn

Or

Villanova vs Dayton
Georgetown vs SLU
Marquette vs Fordham

None of the above is fine with me. I don't want Dayton, SLU, or Fordham. I just don't want UConn more. The only attraction to UConn, the ONLY attraction, is their women's basketball program.

Go for home and homes with B12, P12, or prominent mid majors over adding anyone that isn't a good philosophical fit.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Cheeks on June 23, 2019, 09:40:56 AM
None of the above is fine with me. I don't want Dayton, SLU, or Fordham. I just don't want UConn more. The only attraction to UConn, the ONLY attraction, is their women's basketball program.

Go for home and homes with B12, P12, or prominent mid majors over adding anyone that isn't a good philosophical fit.

But those home and homes will be even more difficult to come by as conferences go to 20 games.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Cheeks on June 23, 2019, 09:43:09 AM
Of course it does. It means their circumstances have changed.  It means they aren't in a Power 5 football conference, with all the money that brings, and playing at the fringes of FBS football, in a terrible location for football recruiting.  They know they aren't going to succeed football wise.  They know a Power 5 invite isn't coming anytime soon, and probably ever. 


Panic? Why do you think there is any panic involved?  If there is one thing the BE leadership has done, it isn't panic.  Did they panic when the B10 put their conference tournament in MSG?  No, they negotiated a better contract and locked it down for another decade. Did they panic and add Dayton when Archie Miller was having success there?  No, they waited for something better to come around.

This conference leadership has been thoughtful and strong for the past six years - ever since they made the bold move to leave the OBE behind.  They deserve the benefit of the doubt that they approached this topic the same way.


The BE is doing nothing of the sort.  They aren't starting a football conference like they did before.  They have members who play football.  Just like they already had.  A crappy FBS program is a couple steps ahead of a good FCS one.

Basketball is the priority.  That hasn't changed.  And this opinion piece states that.

https://www.courant.com/sports/hc-sp-uconn-big-east-column-20190623-w4s4rlneqfbjpbtjqvbqalrkim-story.html

"UConn won’t chase a football national championship in our lifetime, the Power 5 ship has sailed and the university’s true brand must be re-established and strengthened. For a handful of years the stance in Storrs seemed to be that the proud basketball programs would thrive through the power of their own volition and rich history while the university pursued a the Power 5 pipe dream.

No more of that. Nothing comes at the expense of UConn basketball and nothing should. You place your most valuable pieces accordingly and let the rest fall into place from there."

This...all of this
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: GooooMarquette on June 23, 2019, 09:45:01 AM

The only attraction to UConn, the ONLY attraction, is their women's basketball program.



I'm curious if Mr. Nielsen or anyone else here has the UConn men's TV ratings for the past couple of seasons, and could perhaps compare them to the ratings for the current 10 BE teams. If UConn is in the middle to upper portion despite playing an AAC schedule, that would be a clear indicator that their men's program would help.

I also happen to think another team in the NYC megalopolis will help cement our presence at MSG for a very long time.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 23, 2019, 09:46:47 AM
But those home and homes will be even more difficult to come by as conferences go to 20 games.

The move to 20 conference games will make it even harder for mid-majors to make the tournament.  Big boys don’t want to share that pie
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: The Lens on June 23, 2019, 11:18:49 AM
How is UConn not a good philosophical fit?  They are lighting their football team on fire to help keep their basketball teams warm.  What more do you want them to do?
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 23, 2019, 11:42:02 AM
But those home and homes will be even more difficult to come by as conferences go to 20 games.

Not at the mid major level. It will make it easier. When all the big boys are at 20 games, it will be near impossible for the top mid majors to get a game. Schools like Gonzaga, St Mary's, BYU, VCU, Dayton, Nevada, UNLV, Buffalo, etc will likely have to give up more to get those kind of games. Home and homes, 2-for-1s, even buy games will be necessary for them to get that exposure. There's no rush to 20 because the demand for those teams will go down.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 23, 2019, 11:55:31 AM
None of the above is fine with me. I don't want Dayton, SLU, or Fordham. I just don't want UConn more. The only attraction to UConn, the ONLY attraction, is their women's basketball program.

Go for home and homes with B12, P12, or prominent mid majors over adding anyone that isn't a good philosophical fit.

UConn is a top 10-15 program all time. That's better than 90% of the Big East. That's the attraction and honestly, the only thing that matters.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Cheeks on June 23, 2019, 12:04:25 PM
Not at the mid major level. It will make it easier. When all the big boys are at 20 games, it will be near impossible for the top mid majors to get a game. Schools like Gonzaga, St Mary's, BYU, VCU, Dayton, Nevada, UNLV, Buffalo, etc will likely have to give up more to get those kind of games. Home and homes, 2-for-1s, even buy games will be necessary for them to get that exposure. There's no rush to 20 because the demand for those teams will go down.

Disagree.  Inventory has contracted, and big schools still need 20 wins.  With two added conference games which have greater chance of being losses, those cupcake buy games will remain in place meaning even more difficulty scheduling high major home and homes.  Coaches won’t want the L’s, and there simply won’t be a spot on the schedule to put them unless the schedule is expanded so schools play extra games overall.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 23, 2019, 12:41:42 PM
Disagree.  Inventory has contracted, and big schools still need 20 wins.  With two added conference games which have greater chance of being losses, those cupcake buy games will remain in place meaning even more difficulty scheduling high major home and homes.  Coaches won’t want the L’s, and there simply won’t be a spot on the schedule to put them unless the schedule is expanded so schools play extra games overall.

If we are still playing 18 conference games, we will still need to fill 13 non-conference games. If the desire from the B10, ACC, and others to play schools like the ones I mentioned above goes down, then it will by default become easier for leagues that continue to schedule 18 conference games to get those games.

And we already schedule to get 20 total wins. It just means that instead of playing Georgia, LSU, or Kansas State, we'd be playing VCU, Gonzaga, or Dayton in those same slots, but it would be easier to get favorable terms (2-for-1) because the demand for them would diminish from 20-game leagues. Of the 13 non-con games, you would still play the same number of buy games. Let's be honest, adding UConn won't change the buy games at all. It will only reduce high-major home-and-homes because one is effectively built in.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Herman Cain on June 23, 2019, 12:49:50 PM
Not at the mid major level. It will make it easier. When all the big boys are at 20 games, it will be near impossible for the top mid majors to get a game. Schools like Gonzaga, St Mary's, BYU, VCU, Dayton, Nevada, UNLV, Buffalo, etc will likely have to give up more to get those kind of games. Home and homes, 2-for-1s, even buy games will be necessary for them to get that exposure. There's no rush to 20 because the demand for those teams will go down.
Brew, I understand where you are coming from on the various  points you are making. 

Here is the pure business analysis: When this version of the Big East formed, a well defined brand was created. As you point out schools all had the same motivations and basketball was the flagship sport. An excellent, above market , deal was made with Fox Sports who needed product. In the subsequent years, the teams in the league have performed well and Fox has given excellent production values . The league has been disciplined and not rushed to expand.  So while U Conn would love to be part of the Big East basketball, there has not been a rush on the Big East side to embrace them. This strategy has worked well for the Big East for six years and in the meantime U Conn has been having some difficulties getting traction in their own league.

However, there has been a change of business circumstances. All of the other major conferences are moving toward a 20 game schedule. Big East, has the double round robin so they can hold out for a while ,but to eventually maintain parity with other conferences  will need to eventually embrace this new 20 game modality, otherwise put at risk the parity the league has obtained in terms of post season bids. Getting good non league games will be tough for the whole league. League makes big money by having a lot of teams in the tournament and needs to maintain NET rankings or whatever tools are being used. That is simply a business fact. 

So facing those business facts, the options are straight forward. Either eventually be forced to pick up Dayton, St. Louis, VCU or  Richmond ,  or figure out a way to make life work with U Conn. U Conn while not having the same motivations as the rest of the league, is clearly from an outsider TV viewing and fan attendance perspective a perfect fit.

Given that the Big East is up and U Conn is presently down, the Big East is probably at the best point in the league formation cycle to make a favorable deal with U Conn.  If U Conn is willing to sell low, our league should step in and buy at a value price. Dictate the terms of admission prior to next media deal.

I think U Conn has not properly assessed  the upside in their own situation. AAC just got a decent TV contract which will help the rest of the schools tremendously, the football schools are doing relatively well on the field and the basketball part of the league is making strides. U Conn  basketball has now gotten past the first coach after a legend. U Conn has a new coach who is well respected and should be making strides. In a few years they will be at a better spot than they are now. 

So from Big East standpoint much better to get actual ownership control of the U Conn brand , through grant of rights agreement etc, rather than come let them rent our brand a few years from now when they are in a stronger position to influence the next Big East media deal. Big East just needs to be smart about how they go about this. Forewarned is forearmed. The league can't  let U Conn have a scenario where they get the best of both worlds, our basketball and the ESPN football contract with AAC. As that will guarantee them leaving once the leagues expand again.  Hopefully the league is smart enough to create a structure to  mitigate that risk.




Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: D'Lo Brown on June 23, 2019, 01:14:14 PM
Brew, I understand where you are coming from on the various  points you are making. 

Here is the pure business analysis: When this version of the Big East formed, a well defined brand was created. As you point out schools all had the same motivations and basketball was the flagship sport. An excellent, above market , deal was made with Fox Sports who needed product. In the subsequent years, the teams in the league have performed well and Fox has given excellent production values . The league has been disciplined and not rushed to expand.  So while U Conn would love to be part of the Big East basketball, there has not been a rush on the Big East side to embrace them. This strategy has worked well for the Big East for six years and in the meantime U Conn has been having some difficulties getting traction in their own league.

However, there has been a change of business circumstances. All of the other major conferences are moving toward a 20 game schedule. Big East, has the double round robin so they can hold out for a while ,but to eventually maintain parity with other conferences  will need to eventually embrace this new 20 game modality, otherwise put at risk the parity the league has obtained in terms of post season bids. Getting good non league games will be tough for the whole league. League makes big money by having a lot of teams in the tournament and needs to maintain NET rankings or whatever tools are being used. That is simply a business fact. 

So facing those business facts, the options are straight forward. Either eventually be forced to pick up Dayton, St. Louis, VCU or  Richmond ,  or figure out a way to make life work with U Conn. U Conn while not having the same motivations as the rest of the league, is clearly from an outsider TV viewing and fan attendance perspective a perfect fit.

Given that the Big East is up and U Conn is presently down, the Big East is probably at the best point in the league formation cycle to make a favorable deal with U Conn.  If U Conn is willing to sell low, our league should step in and buy at a value price. Dictate the terms of admission prior to next media deal.

I think U Conn has not properly assessed  the upside in their own situation. AAC just got a decent TV contract which will help the rest of the schools tremendously, the football schools are doing relatively well on the field and the basketball part of the league is making strides. U Conn  basketball has now gotten past the first coach after a legend. U Conn has a new coach who is well respected and should be making strides. In a few years they will be at a better spot than they are now. 

So from Big East standpoint much better to get actual ownership control of the U Conn brand , through grant of rights agreement etc, rather than come let them rent our brand a few years from now when they are in a stronger position to influence the next Big East media deal. Big East just needs to be smart about how they go about this. Forewarned is forearmed. The league can't  let U Conn have a scenario where they get the best of both worlds, our basketball and the ESPN football contract with AAC. As that will guarantee them leaving once the leagues expand again.  Hopefully the league is smart enough to create a structure to  mitigate that risk.

Cogent points, IMO.

Uconn is recovering from the recruiting perspective after a period of off years. Ollie was a joke. Their 2019 class under Hurley is a top-25 group going in, and will give him more to work with. They are aiming rather high for 2020 and that group should end up being solid as well.

I think your reference to buy low, sell high is valid here. People assume that whatever has happened in the last 1-2 years can be generalized to the following 5-10 years. Uconn basketball is on an entirely different track now under Hurley and the timing of that, much improved recruiting, and a "MUGA" nostalgia campaign of returning to the Big East will restore Uconn back to normal levels for them. Normal attendance, normal fan interest, etc.

Having grown up in the state. Many fans of Uconn basketball did not go to school there. It is a much higher proportion than MU or Villanova, for example. Those fans will all be back when the team is playing good teams, rivals, and winning. You can't look at the downtrend in attendance for example and generalize a line of best fit, showing that Uconn basketball is seriously troubled. Uconn is as good a bet as any team to win the most Big East titles in the 2020s.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 23, 2019, 01:19:52 PM
Given that the Big East is up and U Conn is presently down, the Big East is probably at the best point in the league formation cycle to make a favorable deal with U Conn.  If U Conn is willing to sell low, our league should step in and buy at a value price. Dictate the terms of admission prior to next media deal.

Good points, Herman, and I think this is the focus. I know there are plenty that don't think it matters, but I firmly believe UConn needs to drop out of D1 FBS football. Period. No exceptions. No parking in the AAC or MAC or as an independent. No chance whatsoever they are chasing other leagues. This league's stability is a known quantity and a strength.

Even if we don't add anyone after UConn, there is more risk to taking UConn than there is to taking a basketball only school. If we take UConn and they leave, it will indicate a weakness. Further, it will be a signal of what might be possible if other current FCS Big East members make a similar jump. We left that league for a reason. That reason was football. It was a cancer that was diminishing the quality of the sport our members most care about. Playing big time football, even as a 1-11 independent, is a cancer and a risk that is not worth it.

On Twitter, Chicos said UConn football is dead. If that's the case, fine. Burn the body, bury the remains, then talk to us. And at that point, if we can get UConn at a reduced NCAA and revenue share, force them to earn their way in, and after agreeing to an incredibly pro-current BE member buyout, then so be it. If we can get them cheap, they definitely have more upside than a Dayton or SLU, but we have to know their commitment is equal to the current members & the risk they run if they leave will always be greater than staying.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 23, 2019, 01:24:46 PM
You are way overstating the negative impact of football playing conference members. The problem is when the conference let’s football drive the decisions. That’s not happening now nor will it in the future.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 23, 2019, 01:25:55 PM
You are way overstating the negative impact of football playing conference members. The problem is when the conference let’s football drive the decisions. That’s not happening now nor will it in the future.

If we don't admit FBS members, you are correct. If we do, then there is no way to definitively say that is true.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: D'Lo Brown on June 23, 2019, 01:41:33 PM
You are way overstating the negative impact of football playing conference members. The problem is when the conference let’s football drive the decisions. That’s not happening now nor will it in the future.

I think we can mark him down on that position at this point. It's really a judgment thing, there is nothing tangible to point at, and it is purely about predicting the future. For this to be a net negative for the Big East, Uconn will have to be a bottom-5 contributor to the league (nearly impossible to imagine as having Uconn will significantly boost TV negotiations with Fox), and they will have to leave the Big East for football reasons in the next 5-10 years, AND this will have to coincide with other BE members leaving as a result of it.

The truth is, if Uconn leaves after 5 years and everything else remains status quo, the Big East will have benefitted (net). Some contrarians on the internet will indicate that the sky is falling and the Big East is permanently tarnished, but I just don't see how that could possibly be true unless Uconn erodes what already existed prior to their entry.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Cheeks on June 23, 2019, 01:41:41 PM
Good points, Herman, and I think this is the focus. I know there are plenty that don't think it matters, but I firmly believe UConn needs to drop out of D1 FBS football. Period. No exceptions. No parking in the AAC or MAC or as an independent. No chance whatsoever they are chasing other leagues. This league's stability is a known quantity and a strength.

Even if we don't add anyone after UConn, there is more risk to taking UConn than there is to taking a basketball only school. If we take UConn and they leave, it will indicate a weakness. Further, it will be a signal of what might be possible if other current FCS Big East members make a similar jump. We left that league for a reason. That reason was football. It was a cancer that was diminishing the quality of the sport our members most care about. Playing big time football, even as a 1-11 independent, is a cancer and a risk that is not worth it.

On Twitter, Chicos said UConn football is dead. If that's the case, fine. Burn the body, bury the remains, then talk to us. And at that point, if we can get UConn at a reduced NCAA and revenue share, force them to earn their way in, and after agreeing to an incredibly pro-current BE member buyout, then so be it. If we can get them cheap, they definitely have more upside than a Dayton or SLU, but we have to know their commitment is equal to the current members & the risk they run if they leave will always be greater than staying.

You are propping up their potential football prowess way too much.  There is nothing to suggest they are going to suddenly or even over the long haul get good in football.  The other 10 schools are not going to let their football whims dictate the conference direction.  This is a basketball centric conference and everyone knows this.

The only bad part about UConn continuing at FBS is resources that could be used for hoops, but that’s a them problem.  My guess is they are closer to being FCS than FBS within 10 years, if not sooner. 
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 23, 2019, 01:53:43 PM
I'm looking 10 years behind and 10 years ahead. 10 years ago, this league included Syracuse, UConn, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, & Notre Dame. It was the baddest of the bad. The greatest basketball conference ever assembled and I'm not sure there's ever been a cohesive argument against that.

Now we've replaced those schools with Butler, Creighton, and Xavier. Can you imagine if I told you that back then? Butler at that point had 3 Sweet 16s in their history and never been further than that. Creighton had 3 tournament wins in the 35 years before that. Xavier was by far the most recently accomplished.

Predicting where we are now 10 years ago would've sounded insane, but we ended up in the single most stable conference in college basketball because we eschewed football schools. We left them and are better for it. Trying to recapture the glory days of the Big East by adding UConn is aspiring to a goal that was never as good as what we have right now, and just because we didn't realize it then doesn't mean it isn't obvious now.

Let them burn and bury their football program first. None of this "park it" crap. None of the "we haven't decided what we'll do" lies. They didn't pour hundreds of millions into a football program to just not have a plan when the Big East comes calling for them to come back to basketball. They know what the plan is. They are lying about it. Whether that's just to the public or to everyone, they are absolutely lying about their plans for their football program. Come clean, then we'll see if they are worth the trouble.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Cheeks on June 23, 2019, 02:03:00 PM
I'm looking 10 years behind and 10 years ahead. 10 years ago, this league included Syracuse, UConn, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, & Notre Dame. It was the baddest of the bad. The greatest basketball conference ever assembled and I'm not sure there's ever been a cohesive argument against that.

Now we've replaced those schools with Butler, Creighton, and Xavier. Can you imagine if I told you that back then? Butler at that point had 3 Sweet 16s in their history and never been further than that. Creighton had 3 tournament wins in the 35 years before that. Xavier was by far the most recently accomplished.

Predicting where we are now 10 years ago would've sounded insane, but we ended up in the single most stable conference in college basketball because we eschewed football schools. We left them and are better for it. Trying to recapture the glory days of the Big East by adding UConn is aspiring to a goal that was never as good as what we have right now, and just because we didn't realize it then doesn't mean it isn't obvious now.

Let them burn and bury their football program first. None of this "park it" crap. None of the "we haven't decided what we'll do" lies. They didn't pour hundreds of millions into a football program to just not have a plan when the Big East comes calling for them to come back to basketball. They know what the plan is. They are lying about it. Whether that's just to the public or to everyone, they are absolutely lying about their plans for their football program. Come clean, then we'll see if they are worth the trouble.

Many knew the Big East of the mid to late 2000’s was a temporary venture.  The swirl in the background was always going on.  One of the main reasons we got into the conference was due to the insecurity and instability.

I don’t fault you for being concerned and not k owing the future, but I think the proxies you are using are not comparable.  UConn has no football history sans a Fiesta Bowl which was a freak situation that they got in.  Terrible recruiting base, tepid at best support, a region of the country that doesn’t give a crap about football.....I just don’t see the comparison at all to Pitt (Heisman winners, a national title, national rankings) or Syracuse or West Virginia.  Just no comparison of any kind on the football front.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 23, 2019, 02:07:59 PM
Just no comparison of any kind on the football front.

Then let them burn it to the ground. Raze the program, join the Big East. I don't think that's unreasonable. If their program is as bad as you suggest, moving and committing to an eternity in FCS would be a good thing.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Cheeks on June 23, 2019, 02:11:44 PM
Then let them burn it to the ground. Raze the program, join the Big East. I don't think that's unreasonable. If their program is as bad as you suggest, moving and committing to an eternity in FCS would be a good thing.

My guess is politically that is untenable....hopefully that doesn’t get me a temp ban here.

A lot of money was poured into football, stadium, coaching staff, etc, and just burning things to the ground is not what pols do very often.  Usually it is double down and then triple down for all too many of them. Why would this be different?
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Billy Hoyle on June 23, 2019, 02:19:52 PM
I don't see how this is anything but a positive. They may not share the private, religious identity but they're as Big East as it gets. Plus losing a crap buy game is always a good thing for this STH.

I'm sure the league will protect itself in the event they leave. And even then, I don't think it'll leave much of a mark.

You’re still getting a crap buy game. You’re losing Vandy, Kansas State and other home and home games. Just the financial reality.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on June 23, 2019, 03:52:31 PM

I'm curious if Mr. Nielsen or anyone else here has the UConn men's TV ratings for the past couple of seasons, and could perhaps compare them to the ratings for the current 10 BE teams. If UConn is in the middle to upper portion despite playing an AAC schedule, that would be a clear indicator that their men's program would help.


Early games last November at MSG on espn2 versus Syracuse & Iowa rated good for college hoops standards. Same with a game vs FSU. UConn vs Villanova on CBS did very well.

UConn has been down for three years. I'm sure the conference and FOX Sports know what a good UConn team did in the past versus versus the current conference members.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Johnny B on June 23, 2019, 04:36:32 PM
200 votes. Do we have any data on polls of scoop history. Have we broken a record? 8-)
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Herman Cain on June 23, 2019, 04:42:04 PM
200 votes. Do we have any data on polls of scoop history. Have we broken a record? 8-)
Good polling results.

This one got a lot of responses:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58467.0
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Johnny B on June 23, 2019, 04:43:22 PM
Good polling results.

This one got a lot of responses:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=58467.0
We have a very active board relative to other big east teams
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Herman Cain on June 23, 2019, 04:47:02 PM
We have a very active board relative to other big east teams
Our moderators made an excellent product that is easy to use.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 23, 2019, 04:48:08 PM
We have a very active board relative to other big east teams

We have a lot of overactive fans with way too much time on their hands.

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Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on June 23, 2019, 06:18:20 PM
Wtf?  Arby's is tied with bad?
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: #UnleashSean on June 23, 2019, 06:22:48 PM
Our moderators made an excellent product that is easy to use.

I've seen the other boards teams are on. They are downright awful to navigate and use.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: mu03eng on June 23, 2019, 08:37:25 PM
Sneaky positive advantage of UConn in the Big East is the ESPN visibility....both being local fans in Bristol and as a provider of talent that ends up at ESPN
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on June 23, 2019, 09:47:11 PM
I'd like to change my vote.

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Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 23, 2019, 09:54:29 PM
Wtf?  Arby's is tied with bad?

Arby's to me represents the "there's no effing way to know at this point" answer. And we don't. There's lots of reasons for concerns, there are also reasons for optimism. Could go either way. So Arby's.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 23, 2019, 10:22:10 PM
One other thing that I think could be addressed. UConn wasn't the only school seeking an ACC invite that failed back when the Old Big East broke up.....Some of our Catholic 7 brethren....and ourselves were trying our best to convince the ACC to take on basketball only members.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 24, 2019, 05:28:05 AM
My guess is politically that is untenable....hopefully that doesn’t get me a temp ban here.

A lot of money was poured into football, stadium, coaching staff, etc, and just burning things to the ground is not what pols do very often.  Usually it is double down and then triple down for all too many of them. Why would this be different?

Chico's is spot on here.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: rocket surgeon on June 24, 2019, 05:55:01 AM

Which is why I said it was good...as long as UConn is not the beginning of the addition of more FB schools.

I have no idea what the future holds, so that could happen. But I think it's quite unlikely for the exact reason you stated - because of what happened 6 years ago. IMHO, Val and the crew have that front and center in their minds as they contemplate the future.

what decent/good schools sans football, but with good basketball programs and academics and a better proximity than say, gonzaga are out there?  gonzaga might be a good get, geographics aside-note hawaii seems to pull off the logistics part just fine
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: GooooMarquette on June 24, 2019, 07:51:22 AM

what decent/good schools sans football, but with good basketball programs and academics and a better proximity than say, gonzaga are out there?  gonzaga might be a good get, geographics aside-note hawaii seems to pull off the logistics part just fine



I thought this board has gone over them multiple times over the years, but since you asked:

SLU
Richmond
VCU
Dayton
St. Joe's
Wichita State
Fordham

I know you can question how "decent/good" some of these programs are, but if we're honest, they are all better than DePaul and maybe even St. John's, and a couple (VCU, WSU) could easily become top-half BE teams. I honestly want no part of most of these programs and hope we stick to 11, but if the BE chose to expand further, I would prefer them to schools with DI football programs, like UC or Memphis.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Billy Hoyle on June 24, 2019, 03:59:01 PM

I thought this board has gone over them multiple times over the years, but since you asked:

SLU
Richmond
VCU
Dayton
St. Joe's
Wichita State
Fordham

I know you can question how "decent/good" some of these programs are, but if we're honest, they are all better than DePaul and maybe even St. John's, and a couple (VCU, WSU) could easily become top-half BE teams. I honestly want no part of most of these programs and hope we stick to 11, but if the BE chose to expand further, I would prefer them to schools with DI football programs, like UC or Memphis.

Fordham?  Seriously? What has St. Joe's done in hoops since West and Nelson graduated? Besides, Nova would never sign off on St. Joe's joining.

And, you have to take into account all other sports.  DePaul and St. John's have overall departments stronger than most, if not all of those schools.  The Big East is more than a Basketball conference.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Lennys Tap on June 24, 2019, 04:06:40 PM
Fordham?  Seriously? What has St. Joe's done in hoops since West and Nelson graduated? Besides, Nova would never sign off on St. Joe's joining.

And, you have to take into account all other sports.  DePaul and St. John's have overall departments stronger than most, if not all of those schools.  The Big East is more than a Basketball conference.

!st paragraph? Agree 100%.

2nd paragraph? Maybe more than a basketball conference - but not so much that it matters.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Richie on June 24, 2019, 06:15:49 PM
As an MU grad who loves our program first and foremost, but also a New Englander who loved the Friars and remembers the excitement of the first BE season in 79-80 and the disappointment of Gtown losing to a Big 10 team pre-Ewing in the NCAA tourney, none of the teams mentioned below belong in the Big East, now or then.

I already sound like the get off my lawn guy, but UConn belongs in the BE. They had a solid program under Dom Perno, Corny Thompson was a favorite, and then Calhoun took then national. Those teams and programs are not BE teams, at all. UConn to the BE is a win/win, even if they leave in 5 years, which I do not believe will happen. 

I thought this board has gone over them multiple times over the years, but since you asked:

SLU
Richmond
VCU
Dayton
St. Joe's
Wichita State
Fordham

I know you can question how "decent/good" some of these programs are, but if we're honest, they are all better than DePaul and maybe even St. John's, and a couple (VCU, WSU) could easily become top-half BE teams. I honestly want no part of most of these programs and hope we stick to 11, but if the BE chose to expand further, I would prefer them to schools with DI football programs, like UC or Memphis.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: The Lens on June 24, 2019, 06:16:09 PM
Arby's to me represents the "there's no effing way to know at this point" answer. And we don't. There's lots of reasons for concerns, there are also reasons for optimism. Could go either way. So Arby's.

Ummm to be clear, there are no reasons for concern.  It’s f’n UConn not ECU or even Dayton. 
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 24, 2019, 06:28:26 PM
Ummm to be clear, there are no reasons for concern.  It’s f’n UConn not ECU or even Dayton.

There are. They've been well outlined. Just because some choose to dismiss them doesn't negate their existence.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 24, 2019, 08:23:07 PM
There are. They've been well outlined. Just because some choose to dismiss them doesn't negate their existence.

The only one I've seen brought up is that they might leave one day. That's not a reason for concern. You milk them for all you can however long they are here and then collect a fat penalty check when they leave.

You said earlier that this inviting a fox into the henhouse. It's not. It's inviting a fellow fox into a den of foxes. Every single school in the Big East would burn down every other program in a heartbeat if it meant getting an invite to the ACC. The fact that UConn also wants into the ACC is not a reason for concern.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Herman Cain on June 24, 2019, 08:29:31 PM
The only one I've seen brought up is that they might leave one day. That's not a reason for concern. You milk them for all you can however long they are here and then collect a fat penalty check when they leave.

You said earlier that this inviting a fox into the henhouse. It's not. It's inviting a fellow fox into a den of foxes. Every single school in the Big East would burn down every other program in a heartbeat if it meant getting an invite to the ACC. The fact that UConn also wants into the ACC is not a reason for concern.
Just to refresh peoples memory,there were a whole bunch of people at a pretty high level in Georgetown working the system to try and get them invited to the ACC as a basketball only member during the entire period of the dismemberment of the old Big East. 
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 24, 2019, 09:09:43 PM
Just to refresh peoples memory,there were a whole bunch of people at a pretty high level in Georgetown working the system to try and get them invited to the ACC as a basketball only member during the entire period of the dismemberment of the old Big East.

It wasn't just Georgetown. They were just the last one to get the hint.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Herman Cain on June 24, 2019, 09:13:57 PM
It wasn't just Georgetown. They were just the last one to get the hint.
The funny thing was their fan base actually believed it was their devine right.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: The Lens on June 24, 2019, 11:41:48 PM
The only one I've seen brought up is that they might leave one day. That's not a reason for concern. You milk them for all you can however long they are here and then collect a fat penalty check when they leave.

You said earlier that this inviting a fox into the henhouse. It's not. It's inviting a fellow fox into a den of foxes. Every single school in the Big East would burn down every other program in a heartbeat if it meant getting an invite to the ACC. The fact that UConn also wants into the ACC is not a reason for concern.

EXACTLY!  Meanwhile UConn is burning down their football team to keep their basketball team warm. 
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Billy Hoyle on June 25, 2019, 12:47:39 AM
The funny thing was their fan base actually believed it was their devine right.

I’ve heard from Georgetown grads that an Ivy League invite could happen at any time. They really believe this.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 25, 2019, 10:21:53 AM
EXACTLY!  Meanwhile UConn is burning down their football team to keep their basketball team warm.

What exactly are they doing to burn down football? Everyone keeps saying this, but UConn keeps saying they haven't yet decided what they will do. I don't believe they don't have a plan, but continually putting off what it is doesn't inspire confidence.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 25, 2019, 10:27:48 AM
Leaving a conference with little likelihood of their football team joining another one of equal or greater stature means they’re de-emphasizing football. And again I’m not sure what the harm is otherwise.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 25, 2019, 10:31:17 AM
What exactly are they doing to burn down football? Everyone keeps saying this, but UConn keeps saying they haven't yet decided what they will do. I don't believe they don't have a plan, but continually putting off what it is doesn't inspire confidence.

It doesn't matter what they do with football. It's irrelevant to the conversation.

Our conference is so much better than the AAC that we were able to poach a football school from them despite them having nowhere to put their football program. This speaks to the strength of our conference. We can't raid the power conferences but we can prey on other football conferences. This is a good thing.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Herman Cain on June 25, 2019, 10:50:47 AM
What exactly are they doing to burn down football? Everyone keeps saying this, but UConn keeps saying they haven't yet decided what they will do. I don't believe they don't have a plan, but continually putting off what it is doesn't inspire confidence.
They are hoping that they can somehow convince the AAC to let them stay in for football. Right now the AAC position is for the Huskies to pound sand . We will know more on that in the days and weeks ahead.

Even if U Conn stays in AAC football, they are extremely low in the pecking order of attractive candidates for college football conference expansion.

Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 25, 2019, 10:56:41 AM
The last time we were in a league with football programs it seemed relevant. Did the money go out of football and I missed it?

We've found stability by divorcing from football. This is totally the "our crazy ex wasn't THAT bad" mindset.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 25, 2019, 10:57:46 AM
They are hoping that they can somehow convince the AAC to let them stay in for football. Right now the AAC position is for the Huskies to pound sand . We will know more on that in the days and weeks ahead.

Even if U Conn stays in AAC football, they are extremely low in the pecking order of attractive candidates for college football conference expansion.

Maybe they promise to schedule (1) or (2) BB games a year against AAC teams or something like that.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 25, 2019, 11:17:02 AM
The last time we were in a league with football programs it seemed relevant. Did the money go out of football and I missed it?

We've found stability by divorcing from football. This is totally the "our crazy ex wasn't THAT bad" mindset.

You’re really making mountains out if molehills here Brew.

Like you said people are looking to find the good and ignoring the bad, you’re doing the opposite.

Marquette will be fine, the Big East will be fine, the world still turns.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: MU Buff on June 25, 2019, 11:17:54 AM
The last time we were in a league with football programs it seemed relevant. Did the money go out of football and I missed it?

We've found stability by divorcing from football. This is totally the "our crazy ex wasn't THAT bad" mindset.

Isn’t it different now that the basketball schools have control? In the past, we were at the mercy of whatever the football schools wanted to do.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 25, 2019, 11:22:15 AM
You’re really making mountains out if molehills here Brew.

Like you said people are looking to find the good and ignoring the bad, you’re doing the opposite.

Marquette will be fine, the Big East will be fine, the world still turns.

I've acknowledged the potential upside. If all goes perfectly, it could work really well. Those asserting this is basically a zero risk proposition, in my opinion, have their heads buried really deep in the sand.

We left for a reason.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Eldon on June 25, 2019, 11:34:49 AM
It doesn't matter what they do with football. It's irrelevant to the conversation.

Our conference is so much better than the AAC that we were able to poach a football school from them despite them having nowhere to put their football program. This speaks to the strength of our conference. We can't raid the power conferences but we can prey on other football conferences. This is a good thing.

Great point.

Props to Val.  Big, big props.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Herman Cain on June 25, 2019, 12:07:58 PM
I've acknowledged the potential upside. If all goes perfectly, it could work really well. Those asserting this is basically a zero risk proposition, in my opinion, have their heads buried really deep in the sand.

We left for a reason.
Here is what needs to happen for the risk scenario you envision to play out. First, U Conn basketball has to become a national power again at the level they were  under Jim Calhoun. Second, their football team has to become a winner in the AAC and in bowls consistently. Then, Third, conference expansion has to happen in a big way again. it has to be a big movement because there are so many more logical, TV market attractive candidates  than U Conn even if scenario one and two were met. The reason we know this to be true is that U Conn got passed over several times before when they actually did meet the first two conditions. Since that time other schools  with P5 ambition have made major strides.  Finally the politics of Connecticut are such that 41 million losses are not going to be tolerated for long, which means they would somehow have to find a way to be relevant with less money,  which is a huge mountain to climb. So what is the probability all of the above actually playing out and what is the timeline of such developments.


Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 25, 2019, 12:38:23 PM
The last time we were in a league with football programs it seemed relevant. Did the money go out of football and I missed it?

We've found stability by divorcing from football. This is totally the "our crazy ex wasn't THAT bad" mindset.

But our ex wasn't crazy. The ACC is a better conference than the Big East. Always has been, always will be. You can't blame schools for doing what's best for them. If we had been offered a spot in the ACC we would have been gone so fast your head would have spun.

And nothing has changed. Every last school in the Big East would prefer to be in the ACC. Every one of them. If there's stability, it's only because we are conference made up of programs not good enough to be in the ACC....so UConn will fit right in!

We left for a reason.

Yes, and football had nothing to do with it. We left to get away from schools like ECU, Tulane, etc. diluting our basketball product. UConn, Notre Dame, Cincy, and Louisville were all invited to join the Catholic 7. They declined. So unless you think UConn is going to dilute our basketball product, the situations are very different.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 25, 2019, 01:04:01 PM
it has to be a big movement because there are so many more logical, TV market attractive candidates  than U Conn even if scenario one and two were met. The reason we know this to be true is that U Conn got passed over several times before when they actually did meet the first two conditions.

Who in the AAC would be more attractive? Who in the MAC or even Mountain West? There aren't that many recognizable state schools outside the P5 in football. UConn may not have been a great option, but they're still at or near the top. And their basketball doesn't have to become elite. Unless by elite, you mean on par with Rutgers or TCU.

Yes, and football had nothing to do with it. We left to get away from schools like ECU, Tulane, etc. diluting our basketball product. UConn, Notre Dame, Cincy, and Louisville were all invited to join the Catholic 7. They declined. So unless you think UConn is going to dilute our basketball product, the situations are very different.

Schools like ECU & Tulane were only invited because of football. Football had everything to do with it.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 25, 2019, 01:23:42 PM
Schools like ECU & Tulane were only invited because of football. Football had everything to do with it.

That's why they were invited. But it's not why we left.

The current Big East does not have football as a sponsored sport. So there is no risk of inviting an inferior basketball school because they have a football program.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 25, 2019, 01:33:33 PM
Another unintended consequence could very well be the end of the rivalry with Wisconsin. In addition, Kentucky/Louisville, Xavier/Cincy, and any other non-con rivalries could go away.

Here's why. The general NCAA calculus is winning 20 games in a 31-game schedule. That generally means going over .500 in league play (10-8) and going .500 in significant non-con games (MU has averaged 6/year under Wojo). So 10-8 in league, 3-3 in significant games, 7-0 in exempt tourney home games & buy games.

Going to 20 means you now need to go 11-9 in conference. That means going 9-2 in the shorter non-con season. In a regular year, assume 3 quality games from the exempt tourney & for the Big East, one Gavitt & one B12 Challenge game. To get to 9-2, you have to have a winning record in those 5 games (3-2) and be perfect in your remaining 6 buy & exempt tourney home games.

That doesn't leave any room for quality buy game risks like Buffalo or Vermont, home-and-home series with Georgia or NC State, or rivalry games like Wisconsin or Notre Dame. If this goes through, any hopes of a ND series are likely over, and the annual Wisconsin rivalry could very well go away as well.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 25, 2019, 01:34:36 PM
That's why they were invited. But it's not why we left.

The current Big East does not have football as a sponsored sport. So there is no risk of inviting an inferior basketball school because they have a football program.

We left because they were invited.

They were invited because of football.

Not a lot of dots to connect. 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 25, 2019, 01:35:26 PM
Another unintended consequence could very well be the end of the rivalry with Wisconsin. In addition, Kentucky/Louisville, Xavier/Cincy, and any other non-con rivalries could go away.

Here's why. The general NCAA calculus is winning 20 games in a 31-game schedule. That generally means going over .500 in league play (10-8) and going .500 in significant non-con games (MU has averaged 6/year under Wojo). So 10-8 in league, 3-3 in significant games, 7-0 in exempt tourney home games & buy games.

Going to 20 means you now need to go 11-9 in conference. That means going 9-2 in the shorter non-con season. In a regular year, assume 3 quality games from the exempt tourney & for the Big East, one Gavitt & one B12 Challenge game. To get to 9-2, you have to have a winning record in those 5 games (3-2) and be perfect in your remaining 6 buy & exempt tourney home games.

That doesn't leave any room for quality buy game risks like Buffalo or Vermont, home-and-home series with Georgia or NC State, or rivalry games like Wisconsin or Notre Dame. If this goes through, any hopes of a ND series are likely over, and the annual Wisconsin rivalry could very well go away as well.

Wisconsin could easily end the series anyway since they’ve already gone to a 20-game conference season. 
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: brewcity77 on June 25, 2019, 01:38:52 PM
Wisconsin could easily end the series anyway since they’ve already gone to a 20-game conference season.

I hypothesized that on Twitter, but the reality that it becomes a complication for both parties only increases the likelihood. The non-con schedule will almost certainly suffer for this. We likely won't see more than one quality non-con home game most years. And it's more likely we'll have zero quality non-con home games than two.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Uncle Rico on June 25, 2019, 01:45:54 PM
I hypothesized that on Twitter, but the reality that it becomes a complication for both parties only increases the likelihood. The non-con schedule will almost certainly suffer for this. We likely won't see more than one quality non-con home game most years. And it's more likely we'll have zero quality non-con home games than two.

It’s possible.  I won’t pretend to say the non-con schedule won’t possibly suffer.  That said, there is still a need to schedule to fill Fiserv and schedule for March.  The quality of the league will go up and down
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Herman Cain on June 25, 2019, 01:53:34 PM
Who in the AAC would be more attractive? Who in the MAC or even Mountain West? There aren't that many recognizable state schools outside the P5 in football. UConn may not have been a great option, but they're still at or near the top. And their basketball doesn't have to become elite. Unless by elite, you mean on par with Rutgers or TCU.

Schools like ECU & Tulane were only invited because of football. Football had everything to do with it.
Houston is the 7th largest media market. They are a no brainer fit on many levels with the Big 12. 

UCF is the largest on campus  university in the country with 68,000 students.
Orlando where UCF is in the 18th largest media market and nearby Tampa is 18th with viewership state wide. UCF has sold out their football season tickets and is using that to build the rest of the athletic complex with goal of being a top 25 athletics program overall.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/ucf-knights/os-sp-ucf-charge-on-orlando-0510-20190510-5km64eosvjctpklr4ku4efm4d4-story.html

Cincinnati has a long history of consistent success in both football and basketball and has all the on campus facilities and donor support required of a Power 5 program.  In a solid TV market in a football centric area.

Memphis has been investing heavily in football and getting bowl bound results, basketball has been consistently strong and most importantly they have the backing of one of the biggest advertisers in Fed EX. Geographically desirable being in the center of country.


BYU. Football tradition great. Only obstacle in past has been their  TV contract. They are very desirable from a football perspective and have decent basketball as well. 

Then there are what I call the  companion schools, SMU and USF. So while neither would be a headline pick, if Houston or UCF comes on board they would be  companions with big media markets . Analogy, when Big Ten brought Maryland on board, Rutgers came along for the ride as a companion.

U Conn would be below all of those .
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on June 25, 2019, 01:56:49 PM
We left because they were invited.

They were invited because of football.

Not a lot of dots to connect. 🤷‍♂️

But you're misconnecting the dots. The Catholic 7 was fine with adding football schools. This is why UConn, Louisville,  Notre Dame,  and Cincy were invited to split with the C7. They weren't fine with asking bad basketball schools.

UConn is a very good basketball program. The fact that they have football is irrelevant.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 25, 2019, 03:04:00 PM
The last time we were in a league with football programs it seemed relevant. Did the money go out of football and I missed it?

We've found stability by divorcing from football. This is totally the "our crazy ex wasn't THAT bad" mindset.

We were in a conference that sponsored football that was making decisions for football related reasons. This is completely different. Not really comparable.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Nukem2 on June 25, 2019, 03:05:54 PM
We were in a conference that sponsored football that was making decisions for football related reasons. This is completely different. Not really comparable.
Yes, would only have 1 of 11 with a FBS posture.  Quite different.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 25, 2019, 03:10:00 PM
We left because they were invited.

They were invited because of football.

Not a lot of dots to connect. 🤷‍♂️


That’s the point Brew. No school invited to join the BE will be invited because of football.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Billy Hoyle on June 25, 2019, 03:22:39 PM
But you're misconnecting the dots. The Catholic 7 was fine with adding football schools. This is why UConn, Louisville,  Notre Dame,  and Cincy were invited to split with the C7. They weren't fine with asking bad basketball schools.

UConn is a very good basketball program. The fact that they have football is irrelevant.

Inviting Tulane is what pushed everyone over the edge, Larry Williams especially who led the departure.  The interesting part of that whole situation was his daughter worked in Tulane Athletics at the time and she had to deal with her dad's criticism of her employer.

https://www.nola.com/tulane/2012/12/tulanes_loudest_big_east_criti.html
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 26, 2019, 11:18:44 AM
I can't imagine Cincy is too happy about this.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on June 26, 2019, 11:23:16 AM
I can't imagine Cincy is too happy about this.

I would guess Temple is less happy than Cincy. The Bearcats have a decent football football program.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: auburnmarquette on June 26, 2019, 12:37:48 PM
I will just note that when I was making the case for this a few years back I accidentally started a rumor that I had some inside info and in fact I had none - it just always made too much sense for me. I am thrilled - we need a state school in the tristates to complement our great conference and give an extra legitimacy in basketball crazy New York.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Billy Hoyle on June 26, 2019, 01:03:59 PM
I can't imagine Cincy is too happy about this.

for them, it's Big 12 or Bust. NBE was never an option for them.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on June 26, 2019, 03:11:39 PM
for them, it's Big 12 or Bust. NBE was never an option for them.

I meant moreso about losing one of the better basketball programs in their conference. 
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: GooooMarquette on June 26, 2019, 05:10:52 PM
I meant moreso about losing one of the better basketball programs in their conference.


Yep. They'll still want to get out to the Big 12 or any major football conference, and UConn leaving just made them a bit more desperate.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 30, 2019, 08:10:34 AM
I don't know if this is "good or bad," but per Rothstein the BE will be playing early conference games in "November and December" with the 20 game conference schedule.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: GOO on September 30, 2019, 08:17:25 AM
I don't know if this is "good or bad," but per Rothstein the BE will be playing early conference games in "November and December" with the 20 game conference schedule.
That will be odd at first to get into.  But, overtime, I can see liking it. Better games and more meaningful games earlier in the season. Will favor experienced teams who have played together the year before, of course.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 30, 2019, 08:21:05 AM
I thought it was strange but college football has been doing it for years.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Herman Cain on September 30, 2019, 08:23:12 AM
Looking forward to the 20 game schedule . Less cupcakes makes for a healthier basketball experience.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Nukem2 on September 30, 2019, 09:02:49 AM
Looking forward to the 20 game schedule . Less cupcakes makes for a healthier basketball experience.
Will there be fewer cupcakes?  With the expanded conference schedules around the country, I suspect we will end up with the same # of cupcakes?
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 30, 2019, 09:03:58 AM
I don't know if this is "good or bad," but per Rothstein the BE will be playing early conference games in "November and December" with the 20 game conference schedule.

It's a great idea! Hope they are weeknight games, not on the weekend.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on September 30, 2019, 09:10:24 AM
It will be fascinating to see the data of conferences expanding to twenty conference games over time.  Will the selection committee "reward" power conference teams with 18 or so wins, but much stronger schedule strength, from playing more league games?  Or will they inevitably be penalized since conferences will incur additional conference losses from play? 

My guess is that we will actually see conferences back-off the 20 conference game number after a few years, in order to preserve the likelihood of more teams getting to twenty wins (and more teams likely to get into the tournament).
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 30, 2019, 09:16:29 AM
It will be fascinating to see the data of conferences expanding to twenty conference games over time.  Will the selection committee "reward" power conference teams with 18 or so wins, but much stronger schedule strength, from playing more league games?  Or will they inevitably be penalized since conferences will incur additional conference losses from play? 

My guess is that we will actually see conferences back-off the 20 conference game number after a few years, in order to preserve the likelihood of more teams getting to twenty wins (and more teams likely to get into the tournament).

Not sure about that.  The move to 20 games limits opportunities for mid-majors to get good games.  I don’t think 20 wins is a magic number anymore
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on September 30, 2019, 09:46:32 AM
Not sure about that.  The move to 20 games limits opportunities for mid-majors to get good games.  I don’t think 20 wins is a magic number anymore


Yeah I don't that's going to happen.  The Committee has had numerous opportunities to select 20 win teams over teams with less wins with a more solid schedule.  And my sense is they usually pick the latter.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Herman Cain on September 30, 2019, 12:57:47 PM
Will there be fewer cupcakes?  With the expanded conference schedules around the country, I suspect we will end up with the same # of cupcakes?
The schedule  in the future will  approximately be:

Badger Game
Holiday tournament 2 or 3 games
1 Gavitt
1 Big 12
1 P5 Home and Home

So in theory room for 4-5 Cupcakes versus the 6-7 we have been scheduling.

Basically the expanded conference schedule is like adding a home and home and subtracting two cupcakes.

In a year projected to be weak, where we are out of Gavitt rotation, I could see the schedule picking up one of the lost cupcakes.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on September 30, 2019, 02:31:54 PM
Will there be fewer cupcakes?  With the expanded conference schedules around the country, I suspect we will end up with the same # of cupcakes?

I don't. If that was the case MU wouldn't be doing a H/H with UCLA.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Uncle Rico on September 30, 2019, 03:21:32 PM
I don't. If that was the case MU wouldn't be doing a H/H with UCLA.

I’m willing to bet the Gavitt Games don’t continue beyond this cycle
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Nukem2 on September 30, 2019, 03:45:26 PM
I’m willing to bet the Gavitt Games don’t continue beyond this cycle
I would as well.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Herman Cain on September 30, 2019, 04:43:18 PM
I’m willing to bet the Gavitt Games don’t continue beyond this cycle

I would as well.

FS1 covers the Big Ten, so it will be a network decision.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Nukem2 on September 30, 2019, 04:52:06 PM
FS1 covers the Big Ten, so it will be a network decision.
I took that into consideration.  Still didn’t  think it would be extended.  But, who knows.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Herman Cain on September 30, 2019, 05:14:53 PM
I took that into consideration.  Still didn’t  think it would be extended.  But, who knows.
It might not, but Fox  would probably just make a deal with the Pac 12 whose games they also have a broadcast deal with.   The networks would prefer to have quality match ups in their inventory . 
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: mu03eng on October 01, 2019, 10:01:38 AM
The schedule  in the future will  approximately be:

Badger Game
Holiday tournament 2 or 3 games
1 Gavitt
1 Big 12
1 P5 Home and Home


So in theory room for 4-5 Cupcakes versus the 6-7 we have been scheduling.

Basically the expanded conference schedule is like adding a home and home and subtracting two cupcakes.

In a year projected to be weak, where we are out of Gavitt rotation, I could see the schedule picking up one of the lost cupcakes.

One of the three games in bold doesn't exist after the conference expansion next year. We will not go away from 6-7 cupcakes on the schedule, they are foundational to building a success tournament resume even though that is counter-intuitive.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: The Sultan of Semantics on October 01, 2019, 10:22:26 AM
One of the three games in bold doesn't exist after the conference expansion next year. We will not go away from 6-7 cupcakes on the schedule, they are foundational to building a success tournament resume even though that is counter-intuitive.


But all three actually do exist next year and beyond.  Gavitt lasts until 2022.  The BE/B12 Challenge is a four year deal starting this year.  UCLA and Marquette just announced a home and home starting in 2020-21.  And I'm assuming the Marquette / Wisconsin series will continue even though there never has been a formal agreement in place.

If Marquette plays a Gavitt Game next year, they will have a B10, B12, UCLA and UW on their schedule.  They will be playing 2 high-major games in the Hall of Fame Tip Off Classic, and likely hosting a two cupcakes at Fiserv as part of the tournament.  (https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2018/11/9/18074842/marquette-golden-eagles-basketball-november-tournament-schedule-feast-week-multi-team-events)

So that means...

20 Conference Games
UCLA
UW
1 B12 Challenge
0-1 Gavitt
2 High Major from Tip Off Classic
2 Cupcakes from Tip Off Classic

That leaves 4 or 5 additional games depending on Gavitt and if MU wants to fill its schedule completely with 31 games.  So 6 or 7 possible cupcakes when you include the Tip Off?
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Herman Cain on October 01, 2019, 12:32:42 PM
I think the coaches perception of where the team is in the roster cycle will determine whether we have 4-5 cupcakes or 6-7 cupcakes.  Notwithstanding any changes to the TV created inter -conference series, the variable at play will be the Power 5 home and home.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Herman Cain on October 02, 2019, 08:38:40 AM
Just had a an interesting dialogue with someone very close to the RJ Davis process. Bottom line, we need the UNC visit to play out to make our final closing pitch . The Jordan Tucker case still resonates at Stepinac which works in our favor .


Anyone interested can PM for details.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Dawson Rental on October 02, 2019, 09:01:34 AM

Yep. They'll still want to get out to the Big 12 or any major football conference, and UConn leaving just made them a bit more desperate.

Like that’s possible
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: shoothoops on October 02, 2019, 03:23:10 PM
This could have gone in the recruiting thread as well.....former MU target, and former Symir Torrence teammate, Andre Jackson, committed to UConn today.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: Dawson Rental on October 03, 2019, 07:01:27 AM
This could have gone in the recruiting thread as well.....former MU target, and former Symir Torrence teammate, Andre Jackson, committed to UConn today.

Interesting tibbet, thank you.  Actually, tho, such info has been banished to da
Superbar.
Title: Re: POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?
Post by: DFW HOYA on October 03, 2019, 07:23:22 PM
Good for the Big East. GREAT for UConn.