POLL:Uconn to Big East good or bad?

[auburnmarquette]

I will just note that when I was making the case for this a few years back I accidentally started a rumor that I had some inside info and in fact I had none - it just always made too much sense for me. I am thrilled - we need a state school in the tristates to complement our great conference and give an extra legitimacy in basketball crazy New York.

[Billy Hoyle]

I can't imagine Cincy is too happy about this.

for them, it's Big 12 or Bust. NBE was never an option for them.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

for them, it's Big 12 or Bust. NBE was never an option for them.

I meant moreso about losing one of the better basketball programs in their conference. 

[GooooMarquette]

I meant moreso about losing one of the better basketball programs in their conference.

Yep. They'll still want to get out to the Big 12 or any major football conference, and UConn leaving just made them a bit more desperate.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I don't know if this is "good or bad," but per Rothstein the BE will be playing early conference games in "November and December" with the 20 game conference schedule.

[GOO]

I don't know if this is "good or bad," but per Rothstein the BE will be playing early conference games in "November and December" with the 20 game conference schedule.

That will be odd at first to get into.  But, overtime, I can see liking it. Better games and more meaningful games earlier in the season. Will favor experienced teams who have played together the year before, of course.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

I thought it was strange but college football has been doing it for years.

[Herman Cain]

Looking forward to the 20 game schedule . Less cupcakes makes for a healthier basketball experience.

[Nukem2]

Looking forward to the 20 game schedule . Less cupcakes makes for a healthier basketball experience.

Will there be fewer cupcakes?  With the expanded conference schedules around the country, I suspect we will end up with the same # of cupcakes?

[Mr. Nielsen]

I don't know if this is "good or bad," but per Rothstein the BE will be playing early conference games in "November and December" with the 20 game conference schedule.

It's a great idea! Hope they are weeknight games, not on the weekend.

[GoldenWarrior11]

It will be fascinating to see the data of conferences expanding to twenty conference games over time.  Will the selection committee "reward" power conference teams with 18 or so wins, but much stronger schedule strength, from playing more league games?  Or will they inevitably be penalized since conferences will incur additional conference losses from play? 

My guess is that we will actually see conferences back-off the 20 conference game number after a few years, in order to preserve the likelihood of more teams getting to twenty wins (and more teams likely to get into the tournament).

[Uncle Rico]

It will be fascinating to see the data of conferences expanding to twenty conference games over time.  Will the selection committee "reward" power conference teams with 18 or so wins, but much stronger schedule strength, from playing more league games?  Or will they inevitably be penalized since conferences will incur additional conference losses from play? 

My guess is that we will actually see conferences back-off the 20 conference game number after a few years, in order to preserve the likelihood of more teams getting to twenty wins (and more teams likely to get into the tournament).

Not sure about that.  The move to 20 games limits opportunities for mid-majors to get good games.  I don’t think 20 wins is a magic number anymore

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Not sure about that.  The move to 20 games limits opportunities for mid-majors to get good games.  I don’t think 20 wins is a magic number anymore

Yeah I don't that's going to happen.  The Committee has had numerous opportunities to select 20 win teams over teams with less wins with a more solid schedule.  And my sense is they usually pick the latter.

[Herman Cain]

Will there be fewer cupcakes?  With the expanded conference schedules around the country, I suspect we will end up with the same # of cupcakes?

The schedule  in the future will  approximately be:

Badger Game
Holiday tournament 2 or 3 games
1 Gavitt
1 Big 12
1 P5 Home and Home

So in theory room for 4-5 Cupcakes versus the 6-7 we have been scheduling.

Basically the expanded conference schedule is like adding a home and home and subtracting two cupcakes.

In a year projected to be weak, where we are out of Gavitt rotation, I could see the schedule picking up one of the lost cupcakes.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Will there be fewer cupcakes?  With the expanded conference schedules around the country, I suspect we will end up with the same # of cupcakes?

I don't. If that was the case MU wouldn't be doing a H/H with UCLA.

[Uncle Rico]

I don't. If that was the case MU wouldn't be doing a H/H with UCLA.

I’m willing to bet the Gavitt Games don’t continue beyond this cycle

[Nukem2]

I’m willing to bet the Gavitt Games don’t continue beyond this cycle

I would as well.

[Herman Cain]

I’m willing to bet the Gavitt Games don’t continue beyond this cycle

I would as well.

FS1 covers the Big Ten, so it will be a network decision.

[Nukem2]

FS1 covers the Big Ten, so it will be a network decision.

I took that into consideration.  Still didn’t  think it would be extended.  But, who knows.

[Herman Cain]

I took that into consideration.  Still didn’t  think it would be extended.  But, who knows.

It might not, but Fox  would probably just make a deal with the Pac 12 whose games they also have a broadcast deal with.   The networks would prefer to have quality match ups in their inventory . 

[mu03eng]

The schedule  in the future will  approximately be:

Badger Game
Holiday tournament 2 or 3 games
1 Gavitt
1 Big 12
1 P5 Home and Home

So in theory room for 4-5 Cupcakes versus the 6-7 we have been scheduling.

Basically the expanded conference schedule is like adding a home and home and subtracting two cupcakes.

In a year projected to be weak, where we are out of Gavitt rotation, I could see the schedule picking up one of the lost cupcakes.

One of the three games in bold doesn't exist after the conference expansion next year. We will not go away from 6-7 cupcakes on the schedule, they are foundational to building a success tournament resume even though that is counter-intuitive.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

One of the three games in bold doesn't exist after the conference expansion next year. We will not go away from 6-7 cupcakes on the schedule, they are foundational to building a success tournament resume even though that is counter-intuitive.

But all three actually do exist next year and beyond.  Gavitt lasts until 2022.  The BE/B12 Challenge is a four year deal starting this year.  UCLA and Marquette just announced a home and home starting in 2020-21.  And I'm assuming the Marquette / Wisconsin series will continue even though there never has been a formal agreement in place.

If Marquette plays a Gavitt Game next year, they will have a B10, B12, UCLA and UW on their schedule.  They will be playing 2 high-major games in the Hall of Fame Tip Off Classic, and likely hosting a two cupcakes at Fiserv as part of the tournament.  (https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2018/11/9/18074842/marquette-golden-eagles-basketball-november-tournament-schedule-feast-week-multi-team-events)

So that means...

20 Conference Games
UCLA
UW
1 B12 Challenge
0-1 Gavitt
2 High Major from Tip Off Classic
2 Cupcakes from Tip Off Classic

That leaves 4 or 5 additional games depending on Gavitt and if MU wants to fill its schedule completely with 31 games.  So 6 or 7 possible cupcakes when you include the Tip Off?

[Herman Cain]

I think the coaches perception of where the team is in the roster cycle will determine whether we have 4-5 cupcakes or 6-7 cupcakes.  Notwithstanding any changes to the TV created inter -conference series, the variable at play will be the Power 5 home and home.

[Herman Cain]

Just had a an interesting dialogue with someone very close to the RJ Davis process. Bottom line, we need the UNC visit to play out to make our final closing pitch . The Jordan Tucker case still resonates at Stepinac which works in our favor .


Anyone interested can PM for details.

[Dawson Rental]

Yep. They'll still want to get out to the Big 12 or any major football conference, and UConn leaving just made them a bit more desperate.

Like that’s possible