What is Wojo's pitch?

[WhiteTrash]

Wojo is recruiting guys to be at MU past his contract. So how does he spin it? MU has not bought in on him. Should recruits?

[MUUWUWM]

And you know this to be true? Doubt it.

[BCHoopster]

He can have a big recruiting year coming up, is on on lots of players, let's see how Wojo does. Can sell an All American right now on campus.  Still lots to sell.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Yep 2nd place BE finish, rising program, coming off an NCaa bid, and should have a top 20 team next year.  The only ones negative on MU are the Aholes on this board!!

[fjm]

I'd go fastball-curve-fastball.

[fjm]

He can also say

"Hey wanna see bucks and other pro players weekly?"

[muguru]

Yep 2nd place BE finish, rising program, coming off an NCaa bid, and should have a top 20 team next year.  The only ones negative on MU are the Aholes on this board!!

Wow! HUGE HUGE accomplishments for a 5th year Coach at MU...Better then Crean or Buzz did after 5 years...oh...wait. A 2nd place BE finish?? Wow! hang a banner! An NCAA bid?? Hang another banner. Top 20 team??(was going to be possibly top 5 before he lost two of his top 3 players) Hang two banners for that. Programs in great GREAT shape under his leadership...Hell, they are right on the cusp of becoming elite under him...I'm sold!

[PointWarrior]

Depends - based on the only 2 viewpoints on this board:

1)   Come join me for my farewell season...

or

2)  Marshmellow types need not apply...

[ATL MU Warrior]

Wow! HUGE HUGE accomplishments for a 5th year Coach at MU...Better then Crean or Buzz did after 5 years...oh...wait. A 2nd place BE finish?? Wow! hang a banner! An NCAA bid?? Hang another banner. Top 20 team??(was going to be possibly top 5 before he lost two of his top 3 players) Hang two banners for that. Programs in great GREAT shape under his leadership...Hell, they are right on the cusp of becoming elite under him...I'm sold!

You are destined fo be a miserable sh!t forever.

[Loose Cannon]

Seems Like this would be a honestly perplexing answer for the posters not in Wojo's corner.  Or is this another coin with 2 much difference sides.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

You are destined fo be a miserable sh!t forever.

Agreed muguru is pathetic.  And while this past year is not comparable to the season UVa had its still a top 20 season when compared to the other approx. 350 teams in D1 basketball and that is how recruits are looking at it.  Thankfully they are not looking at it that MU sucks because someone transferred and they didnt win the title like muguru does. 99.9% of the country sees Mu maybe having a disappointing end but for the most part an outstanding season.
Lastly, imma guarantee years 5 & 6 for Wojo are far bEtter than they were for Crean.  Mu guru had to be losing his mind during years 5 n 6 for Crean.  Some bad years indeed at MU

[muguru]

Agreed muguru is pathetic.  And while this past year is not comparable to the season UVa had its still a top 20 season when compared to the other approx. 350 teams in D1 basketball and that is how recruits are looking at it.  Thankfully they are not looking at it that MU sucks because someone transferred and they didnt win the title like muguru does. 99.9% of the country sees Mu maybe having a disappointing end but for the most part an outstanding season.
Lastly, imma guarantee years 5 & 6 for Wojo are far bEtter than they were for Crean.  Mu guru had to be losing his mind during years 5 n 6 for Crean.  Some bad years indeed at MU

I'm pathetic?? Okay, I will ask you a question sand knit, and here's the deal...If you get the answer correct, AND tell me if Wojo's 5 years have been better then Crean's or Buzz's first five years.. You will NEVER have to put up with my "patheticness" on this board ever again. Deal?? It's not an opinion question, it's a FACT based question that requires a simple yes or no answer. No more, no less. Which Coach is Wojo??

A. 102-53- 2 NCAA's, a conference title a final Four, 2 NIT berths

B. 114-54- 5 NCAA's, a conference title, two sweet16's, Elite 8

C. 97-69- 2 NCAA's, NIT

Good luck!

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

U said after 5 years.  After 5 years Creans orogram was trash with dameon mason, niv berkowitz, and a slew of others.  Nit flameouts.

[jonny09]

Yep 2nd place BE finish, rising program, coming off an NCaa bid, and should have a top 20 team next year.  The only ones negative on MU are the Aholes on this board!!

Yup.  Recruits love 0 NCAA wins since you took over.  Wojo apologist. ☝️

[MU82]

Yup.  Recruits love 0 NCAA wins since you took over.  Wojo apologist. ☝️

Recruits love playing time. Recruits love a showcase. Recruits love the coaching giving them the "green light." Recruits love certain assistant coaches and teammates.

Recruits love all kinds of things that aren't NCAA wins. But yes, many recruits love a program that can win NCAA games, too.

[jonny09]

Recruits love playing time. Recruits love a showcase. Recruits love the coaching giving them the "green light." Recruits love certain assistant coaches and teammates.

Recruits love all kinds of things that aren't NCAA wins. But yes, many recruits love a program that can win NCAA games, too.

Do recruits also like when they read about internal team chaos and the fact that your 2nd and 3rd leading scorers are leaving because of it?   I'm asking for a friend.

[muguru]

U said after 5 years.  After 5 years Creans orogram was trash with dameon mason, niv berkowitz, and a slew of others.  Nit flameouts.

Good job following instructions and answering the question yes or no...To help you out, i listed the 3 coaches A, B & C. Their overall records after 5 years, and their notable accomplishments within that 5 year time frame. Now, I don't think you're dumb...I'm pretty sure, you are just avoiding the obvious, because you're a Wojo apologist. I will ask it one more time...Have Wojo's accomplishments after 5 years been as impressive, less impressive, or more impressive as Crean's and Buzz's were?? We are basing this on ONLY the data I gave you above, overall record, post season accomplishments, and other notable accomplishments. What's your answer??

[jonny09]

Good job following instructions and answering the question yes or no...To help you out, i listed the 3 coaches A, B & C. Their overall records after 5 years, and their notable accomplishments within that 5 year time frame. Now, I don't think you're dumb...I'm pretty sure, you are just avoiding the obvious, because you're a Wojo apologist. I will ask it one more time...Have Wojo's accomplishments after 5 years been as impressive, less impressive, or more impressive as Crean's and Buzz's were?? We are basing this on ONLY the data I gave you above, overall record, post season accomplishments, and other notable accomplishments. What's your answer??

☝️

Thank you.  I have the answer in case he can't / won't answer.  Pretty obvious here.

[MU82]

Do recruits also like when they read about internal team chaos and the fact that your 2nd and 3rd leading scorers are leaving because of it?   I'm asking for a friend.

I would think not.

I believe the events of the last couple of weeks have done serious damage to Wojo's program, and it very well might not be able to recover under him.

You made a sarcastic statement based on your bias -- "Recruits love 0 NCAA wins since you took over" -- and I responded with some things that most basketball observers would agree that recruits actually do love.

You disagree that recruits love those things?

Over the next few months, we're going to get a very clear picture of how Wojo can recruit in this situation.

Oh, and I'm not even knocking you for making a sarcastic statement. Goodness knows I do it all the time.

[jonny09]

I would think not.

I believe the events of the last couple of weeks have done serious damage to Wojo's program, and it very well might not be able to recover under him.

You made a sarcastic statement based on your bias -- "Recruits love 0 NCAA wins since you took over" -- and I responded with some things that most basketball observers would agree that recruits actually do love.

You disagree that recruits love those things?

Over the next few months, we're going to get a very clear picture of how Wojo can recruit in this situation.

Oh, and I'm not even knocking you for making a sarcastic statement. Goodness knows I do it all the time.

Fair enough sir.  We shall see how it plays out. 

[jesmu84]

Wow! HUGE HUGE accomplishments for a 5th year Coach at MU...Better then Crean or Buzz did after 5 years...oh...wait. A 2nd place BE finish?? Wow! hang a banner! An NCAA bid?? Hang another banner. Top 20 team??(was going to be possibly top 5 before he lost two of his top 3 players) Hang two banners for that. Programs in great GREAT shape under his leadership...Hell, they are right on the cusp of becoming elite under him...I'm sold!

So OP asks how wojo can present his resume and current state of the program to recruits in an effort to get them to campus and better MU basketball and your response is to crap all over everything.

Wow

Most fans of the program want to see it succeed. But you'd rather tear down wojo and have him fail and the program fail under him. Cool.

[mu_hilltopper]

The other angle is how other coaches will recruit against Wojo. 

"Did you know 32.6% of MU fans think Wojo should be fired and that he has no contract extension?   Or that his players wrote a mutinous letter to him to get him to change?"

[auburnmarquette]

Wow! HUGE HUGE accomplishments for a 5th year Coach at MU...Better then Crean or Buzz did after 5 years...oh...wait. A 2nd place BE finish?? Wow! hang a banner! An NCAA bid?? Hang another banner. Top 20 team??(was going to be possibly top 5 before he lost two of his top 3 players) Hang two banners for that. Programs in great GREAT shape under his leadership...Hell, they are right on the cusp of becoming elite under him...I'm sold!

And when they accomplished those things they ... Ditched MU. And after the one other sweet 16 in between Al and Crean O'Neal ditched MU. So your point is you'd be a lot more sold on a coach who was about to leave MU selling recuits on coming here.

Thanks for providing a quick exhibit A of the comment above, the only negative here is the .... On this page.

[auburnmarquette]

The other angle is how other coaches will recruit against Wojo. 

"Did you know 32.6% of MU fans think Wojo should be fired and that he has no contract extension?   Or that his players wrote a mutinous letter to him to get him to change?"

Please don't humor yourself by pretending a survey of the less that 1% of fans who answer a survey gives a scientific poll of what percent of fans want Wojo fired. That's laughable and you know it. The last time someone referred to a survey like that as scientific was when the Chicago Tribune polled their own readers and ran a headline stating Dewey Defeats Truman.

As the New York Times wrote recently, some haven't realized that winning the Twitter war has nothing to winning an election. And I will keep repeating npr dropping their comments session because only 0.003% of their readers commented.

It's fine to have the hundred or coupe of hundred obnoxious malcontents have a home to complain here or on local sports.radio - but to pretend the fact that even in that forum they constitute less that one third of the fans translates to the constituting 32.6% of a universe of fans perhaps 100 times as big is scientifically laughable.

[Jon]

Please don't humor yourself by pretending a survey of the less that 1% of fans who answer a survey gives a scientific poll of what percent of fans want Wojo fired. That's laughable and you know it. The last time someone referred to a survey like that as scientific was when the Chicago Tribune polled their own readers and ran a headline stating Dewey Defeats Truman.

As the New York Times wrote recently, some haven't realized that winning the Twitter war has nothing to winning an election. And I will keep repeating npr dropping their comments session because only 0.003% of their readers commented.

It's fine to have the hundred or coupe of hundred obnoxious malcontents have a home to complain here or on local sports.radio - but to pretend the fact that even in that forum they constitute less that one third of the fans translates to the constituting 32.6% of a universe of fans perhaps 100 times as big is scientifically laughable.

And please don't humor yourself by pretending that there are any polls more relevant than the fact Wojo has a major player mutiny on his hands.

This has nothing to do with Scoopers, the New York Times, presidential tweets, Dewey Truman sample bias, the man on the moon, or an angry political pollster in Alabama. This is about Wojo's leadership and how the young men he leads feel about him.

So get off your high horse because unless you poll the 11 scholarship players on the MBB team you, like the Chicago Tribune in 1948 or Literary Digest in 1936, are sampling the wrong people.

You should know better than that.