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Re: 2019 Coaching Carousel
« Reply #950 on: May 13, 2019, 10:25:49 AM »
Pitino???

Pitino has got to be radioactive in Division I college basketball at this point.

Cheating on your wife with a woman you've never met before on a restaurant table, shortly after you've wished her son happy birthday, then paying her for an abortion, only to get extorted later and go to the FBI? Check.

Having one of your assistants pay an escort service to provide strip shows and sex for recruits for more than four years -- earning a five-game suspension for "failure to monitor" and a four-year probation for your university, along with vacating 123 wins and a national championship? Check.

Funneling $100,000 to a recruit's family in exchange for his commitment, involving your university in in a federal investigation into bribery, money laundering and wire fraud? Check.

Just one of those scandals is enough to take down most coaches. As an AD, you'd have to wonder what Pitino could do to top himself next time.
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« Reply #951 on: May 13, 2019, 10:31:39 AM »
Jumping from college basketball into the NBA has not gone well for a number of coaches.  Obviously, Stevens and Donovan have both "won" in Boston and OKC, respectively, but they have yet to make the NBA Finals (Donovan has yet to get out of the first round in the past three seasons).  Other guys like Fred Hoiberg, Leonard Hamilton, Tim Floyd, Rick Pitino, John Calipari, Lon Kruger, Mike Montgomery, Reggie Theus and P.J. Carlesimo all failed in the NBA.  Floyd, Pitino and Carlesimo were the only ones I'm aware of that had the opportunity to coach a second NBA franchise. 

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« Reply #952 on: May 13, 2019, 10:44:25 AM »
Considering Beilein's age, this is likely his last coaching stop.  I have a hard time envisioning him getting another long-term major gig if he is away from the college game for 3+ years.

It all depends on what Gilbert wants out of this. If they're leaning into a rebuild, and want the young guys to learn how to play, this is an excellent hire. They may not win for a couple of years, but they'll be well-drilled in spacing and offensive movement.

If he expects to win right away, then I give it 18 months. At least Beilein will be cashing checks.

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« Reply #953 on: May 13, 2019, 11:11:04 AM »
That is true.   It wasn't too long ago that Michigan fans were wondering if Beilein was good enough to continue as Michigan's coach.

Not just that but MSU fans were mocking UM for hiring Beilein and saying it cemented UM as second to MSU in the state.
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« Reply #954 on: May 13, 2019, 11:28:08 AM »
Promoting Yaklich would make a lot of sense. Michigan would hardly be the first program to promote the top assistant after one of the top 1 or 2 head coaches in program history moves on. He is young, regarded as a good recruiter, and is credited with being the mastermind behind Michigan's elite defense. Checks all the boxes and this late in the carousel it is likely the safest move. I doubt they lose any recruits if they go that route. Of course, no one knows how you will handle the big chair until you are actually sitting in the big chair. Maybe he hits the ground running like a Brad Stevens. Maybe he needs a few years to find his footing. Maybe he won't be able to live up to the predecessor ala Hank.
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« Reply #955 on: May 13, 2019, 11:29:08 AM »
Pitino has got to be radioactive in Division I college basketball at this point.

Cheating on your wife with a woman you've never met before on a restaurant table, shortly after you've wished her son happy birthday, then paying her for an abortion, only to get extorted later and go to the FBI? Check.

Having one of your assistants pay an escort service to provide strip shows and sex for recruits for more than four years -- earning a five-game suspension for "failure to monitor" and a four-year probation for your university, along with vacating 123 wins and a national championship? Check.

Funneling $100,000 to a recruit's family in exchange for his commitment, involving your university in in a federal investigation into bribery, money laundering and wire fraud? Check.

Just one of those scandals is enough to take down most coaches. As an AD, you'd have to wonder what Pitino could do to top himself next time.

for a school that still has the Fab Five cloud looming Pitino is the last guy they would consider.

That said, UM has as much money to spend as any program in the country. Big Ten network money, huge donors (e.g., Stephen Ross). Depending on how Brad Stevens is feeling after the disaster that is the past season UM could make a serious push for him.
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« Reply #956 on: May 13, 2019, 11:42:55 AM »
I don't think Bielein's coaching style and age translate to the NBA.    We shall see.     I think UM promotes from within.

Wow on the first 2 sentences.

Guy can flat out coach.
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« Reply #957 on: May 13, 2019, 12:26:34 PM »
A lot of guys that coached with high level results in college struggled in the NBA.  This will be interesting to watch.  Gilbert, a MSU alum, removes competition to his alma mater in the process.

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« Reply #958 on: May 13, 2019, 12:28:18 PM »
A lot of guys that coached with high level results in college struggled in the NBA.  This will be interesting to watch.  Gilbert, a MSU alum, removes competition to his alma mater in the process.

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I'm not sure that was the motivation, considering he went after Izzo HARD previously.
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« Reply #959 on: May 13, 2019, 12:50:32 PM »
I'm not sure that was the motivation, considering he went after Izzo HARD previously.

Way down the list for sure
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« Reply #960 on: May 13, 2019, 01:01:06 PM »

That said, UM has as much money to spend as any program in the country. Big Ten network money, huge donors (e.g., Stephen Ross). Depending on how Brad Stevens is feeling after the disaster that is the past season UM could make a serious push for him.

I'm thinking that they at least reach out to Stevens with an offer - it can't hurt.  I'm willing to bet that just as many (or more) incoming recruits would stay for Stevens as an inside hire like Yaklich.  And with Kyrie all but gone from Boston, and getting someone like AD a relative long-shot, he'll be mired in a 4-8 playoff position in the East for a good long while. 

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« Reply #961 on: May 13, 2019, 01:16:58 PM »
Stevens ain't goin' back ta college. Hoo wants ta sell der sole ta 18-22 yos? Makin' lotsa bread in Boston, got draft piks, and will bee rid of Kyrie. All sounds damn good ta mee, hey?
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« Reply #962 on: May 13, 2019, 01:40:06 PM »
Stevens ain't goin' back ta college. Hoo wants ta sell der sole ta 18-22 yos? Makin' lotsa bread in Boston, got draft piks, and will bee rid of Kyrie. All sounds damn good ta mee, hey?
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« Reply #963 on: May 13, 2019, 01:43:10 PM »
Wow on the first 2 sentences.

Guy can flat out coach.

Guy can flat out coach College basketball.  No doubt about it.    I don't like the Wolverines, but I do admire Beilein as a coach.    I am just not sure his coaching translates to the NBA.   Other, younger, more dynamic coaches have attempted the leap to the pros and flamed out.    66 is old for your first NBA gig and getting NBA player to play his style of defense for 82 games is going to be a challenge. 
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« Reply #965 on: May 13, 2019, 01:51:40 PM »
Shockin', hey?
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« Reply #966 on: May 13, 2019, 01:53:09 PM »
Guy can flat out coach College basketball.  No doubt about it.    I don't like the Wolverines, but I do admire Beilein as a coach.    I am just not sure his coaching translates to the NBA.   Other, younger, more dynamic coaches have attempted the leap to the pros and flamed out.    66 is old for your first NBA gig and getting NBA player to play his style of defense for 82 games is going to be a challenge.

He’s been very adaptable on defense his entire coaching career.  This isn’t Bo Ryan who ran one system his whole career.  Hell, before the last two years, he was seen much more as an offensive coach than defensive. 
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« Reply #968 on: May 13, 2019, 02:10:06 PM »
Stevens ain't goin' back ta college. Hoo wants ta sell der sole ta 18-22 yos? Makin' lotsa bread in Boston, got draft piks, and will bee rid of Kyrie. All sounds damn good ta mee, hey?

he could make more at UM and after coaching Kyrie and Marcus Smart coaching 18-22 year olds might not seem like that bad of an option.
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« Reply #969 on: May 13, 2019, 02:12:14 PM »
Wojo not on Free  Press short list for Michigan. Lavall Jordan is. 

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2019/05/13/john-beilein-replacement-michigan-basketball-coaching-candidates/1188924001/

We all know the names a newspaper columnist throws out is the official short list. The NY papers nailed it with the St. John's short list and the LA papers had Mick Cronin the whole time for UCLA, right?
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« Reply #971 on: May 13, 2019, 02:20:30 PM »
"I hate everything about this job except the games, Everything. I don't even get affected anymore by the winning, by the ratings, those things. The trouble is, it will sound like an excuse because we've never won the national championship, but winning just isn't all that important to me.” Al McGuire

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« Reply #972 on: May 13, 2019, 02:57:22 PM »
I've seen Wojo's name mentioned a handful of times today, though I imagine Michigan will set their bar a bit higher.
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« Reply #973 on: May 13, 2019, 03:19:48 PM »
It may be that some in college basketball value Wojo significantly higher than our resident “experts”, Jon and muguru.
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« Reply #974 on: May 13, 2019, 06:30:23 PM »
Michigan Admin would do well to have a good look at Ed Cooley.   What he could do with elite budget and facilities could be quite amazing. 
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