On-Campus Arena Tidbit

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

This is all fair, but what makes you think smaller arena = energy at a crappy game?
I imagine the season ticket holders and students (and casual fans) who stay away from mid-December games against North Dakota at Fiserve will stay away from mid-December games against North Dakota at an on-campus arena as well. And those who do show up aren't going to get more excited for a crappy opponent because there are fewer empty seats.

Plz stay in academia,  in no world would MU want to leave existing season ticket holders or other possible viewers on the street.  The reason many college venues only have 10-11-12 thousand seats is bacuse they have trouble even filling that.  Under no cicumstsnces does MU, who has historically had a 14-15k seat average then decide to build a 12k arena for that or any other stupid reason of the sort. Plz stop

I promise you that if MU pulls the trigger on this, smarter people than you or I will make sure they make the most amount of money. More seats does not necessarily mean more money.

[StillAWarrior]

I'd go to crappy or good games, want to cheer on Marquette mostly.  Development of the kids, cheer for the alma mater.

JD

Me too.  Someone up-thread suggested maybe they could move out of state.  If they decide to start playing MU's home games in Cleveland, they can count on me as a STH and to attend all the games. 

[Goose]

cheeks

You are a better fan than I am. I enjoy watching the development of my own kids when it is cold, damp night and MU playing some stiffs. Zero interest in sitting in vacant arena. Again, you are better fan than I am.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Funny, our vacant arena for these buy games, would be good size crowds for many in the NCAA.

[Pakuni]

I promise you that if MU pulls the trigger on this, smarter people than you or I will make sure they make the most amount of money. More seats does not necessarily mean more money.

So what do the smart people at Marquette, who've never operated an arena, know about the arena business that so many other smart people with experience in the business do not know?
I'm afraid it's not as simple as "they're smart, they'll figure it out." The market realities are what they are, regardless of how smart people may think they are. The arena business is tough.
Why does Marquette want to roll the dice on what could easily become a money pit when there's an arena that meets their needs just down the road? It makes no sense, and the university realized that rather quickly when it ended its study.

[cheebs09]

So what do the smart people at Marquette, who've never operated an arena, know about the arena business that so many other smart people with experience in the business do not know?
I'm afraid it's not as simple as "they're smart, they'll figure it out." The market realities are what they are, regardless of how smart people may think they are. The arena business is tough.
Why does Marquette want to roll the dice on what could easily become a money pit when there's an arena that meets their needs just down the road? It makes no sense, and the university realized that rather quickly when it ended its study.

My guess is it only happens if that arena down the street becomes a bigger money pit.

[Pakuni]

My guess is it only happens if that arena down the street becomes a bigger money pit.

But it won't be Marquette's money pit (that'll fall on the taxpayers!).

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So what do the smart people at Marquette, who've never operated an arena, know about the arena business that so many other smart people with experience in the business do not know?
I'm afraid it's not as simple as "they're smart, they'll figure it out." The market realities are what they are, regardless of how smart people may think they are. The arena business is tough.
Why does Marquette want to roll the dice on what could easily become a money pit when there's an arena that meets their needs just down the road? It makes no sense, and the university realized that rather quickly when it ended its study.

As I said before,  everyone wants mu to stay in the fiserv. The on campus arena would only happen if current circumstances drastically change

[muwarrior69]

$4 million a year?  Doubt it.

My point exactly. I can't imagine we are paying that at the FF either.

[Mr. Nielsen]

But it won't be Marquette's money pit (that'll fall on the taxpayers!).

Bucks are responsible for Fiserv Forum upgrades.

[GooooMarquette]

As I said before,  everyone wants mu to stay in the fiserv. The on campus arena would only happen if current circumstances drastically change

Yep. MU's review took place while the Bucks were apparently playing hardball with the lease terms. If the Bucks try to jack up the terms enough, I suspect MU will look again. It's all about bargaining leverage, and if the Bucks find enough high-$$ concerts, monster truck rallies and the such, they could reach a point where an on-campus place would work better for MU. It's smart for MU to have a Plan B in case that ever comes to pass. Dunno how high the Bucks would have to raise the rent for us to get there, but it's always a possibility.

[🏀]

Bucks are responsible for Fiserv Forum upgrades.

I'll start emailing my 800 word essay requests to have Arby's replace Chick-fil-A to the Bucks then.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

It makes perfect sense that it was mostly red.

Think about it.  If your company has a suite for Marquette basketball, which game are you going to invite all of your Badger Fan customers to?  You have the rest of the season to invite all your customers who graduated from Marquette.

Kohl Hole is usually 95% red in the seats with a semi-gold ring in the suites. 

[Cheeks]

cheeks

You are a better fan than I am. I enjoy watching the development of my own kids when it is cold, damp night and MU playing some stiffs. Zero interest in sitting in vacant arena. Again, you are better fan than I am.

Sorry if it came off as better fan, not what I meant.  I'm just of the opinion of going to support my team. We have partial Angels season tickets, I go to watch Mike Trout or Ohtani, etc.  even if we are struggling, or they are playing a bad team, it's about the team in my opinion.  I understand your POV and realize fans will also take that approach.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

So what do the smart people at Marquette, who've never operated an arena, know about the arena business that so many other smart people with experience in the business do not know?
I'm afraid it's not as simple as "they're smart, they'll figure it out." The market realities are what they are, regardless of how smart people may think they are. The arena business is tough.
Why does Marquette want to roll the dice on what could easily become a money pit when there's an arena that meets their needs just down the road? It makes no sense, and the university realized that rather quickly when it ended its study.

Been said many times... those that can do and those that cant teach. 

[The Lens]

Sorry if it came off as better fan, not what I meant.  I'm just of the opinion of going to support my team. We have partial Angels season tickets, I go to watch Mike Trout or Ohtani, etc.  even if we are struggling, or they are playing a bad team, it's about the team in my opinion.  I understand your POV and realize fans will also take that approach.

Bad MLB is still elite tho.  Tonight I got a babysitter for a team that took a 10 hour bus to MKE and started 3 guys who might not crack the rotation at Thomas More.  I totally get ppl staying home. 

[rocky_warrior]

Bad MLB is still elite tho.  Tonight I got a babysitter for a team that took a 10 hour bus to MKE and started 3 guys who might not crack the rotation at Thomas More.  I totally get ppl staying home.

But I'm sure the team appreciated your babysitter!

[Goose]

The Lens

Trust me, getting out of the house when you have kids is the thing to do. Just wait until your kids are grown. Way back in the day, always got a sitter, even for the crap games or I went with my buddies. Basically, it was great excuse to get out on week night.

[warriorchick]

Bad MLB is still elite tho.  Tonight I got a babysitter for a team that took a 10 hour bus to MKE and started 3 guys who might not crack the rotation at Thomas More.  I totally get ppl staying home.

We have a friend who has season tickets and drives in from Bloomington, IL for every game. He works for one of the universities down there. I think he wins the dedicated fan award.

[The Sultan]

Been said many times... those that can do and those that cant teach. 

The people who ultimately made this decision don't teach.

[Cheeks]

Bad MLB is still elite tho.  Tonight I got a babysitter for a team that took a 10 hour bus to MKE and started 3 guys who might not crack the rotation at Thomas More.  I totally get ppl staying home.

But you supported YOUR alma mater and cheered on your team, right?  I would do that regardless of who they are playing, obviously some choose not to.  I understand both points of view.  My position is cheer on the school with the name on the front.  Secondly, some of these guys this is their last year (Heldt for sure, TBD on anyone else)....they deserve the love. 

We sometimes complain about being elite or not having the full support we need.  There are schools out there that sellout every single game regardless of who strolls into their crib.  Maybe they are country bumpkins, don't have the Milwaukee big city alternatives, but that is something they should be proud of in terms of support. 

[Benny B]

Good stuff, Benny.  Thanks.  Curious if you know or have seen the footprint dimensions of Cintas at Xavier.  I know someone up-thread expressed a contrary opinion, but I actually was pretty impressed when I was there a couple months ago.

Cintas is 325' x 325'

IOW, Cintas and the Dee fit inside the same-sized box.  The Thunderdome's box should be a bit larger because of evolving building codes, hence 350'.

[Benny B]

Been said many times... those that can do and those that cant teach.

So, essentially, everyone is a teacher?  Thank you Mr. Berra. 




[Even our resident tooth jockeys use a comma once in a while.]

[oldwarrior81]

Been said many times... those that can do and those that cant teach.

or as the late Jud Heathcote said, "Those that can't play, coach.  And those that can't coach, officiate"

[GoldWarrior]

Good to know, I heard it from someone at MU this week while traveling.  What this person described to me is how you described it, but said there is a high end donor that wants to put B School there instead and that's the rub currently being vetted.  Don't know if true, but person has been reliable in past.  Either way, good to see progress.

Sounds like they are waiting to start new project and take McCormick down as part of that to save money....2 for 1 as it were rather than two independent projects to tear down and then build.

The current master plan has the business school in "innovation ally", but a donor has supposedly stepped up with a large donation as long as the plan gets changed and the business school is moved to where McCormick is now.