NCAA recent investigations

[fjm]

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/fake-affairs-charger-driving-great-grandmas-300k-expense-accounts-inside-routine-day-hoops-trial-012320618.html?__twitter_impression=true

Haha wow that was a great read. I don't know why MU isn't trying this?

Kansas and all these guys clearly just paying anyone and everyone and no one takes any action. Sheesh.

[brewcity77]

So...there was only one Adidas school in for Stone, right? Which just means Adidas wouldn't meet his asking price to put him at Wisconsin?

[GGGG]

Haha wow that was a great read. I don't know why MU isn't trying this?

Kansas and all these guys clearly just paying anyone and everyone and no one takes any action. Sheesh.

Again, the FBI has asked the NCAA to wait. 

[brewcity77]

The next round of trials don't begin until April 2019. That means at the earliest I'd think the NCAA would start looking into this in May or June. Not sure when this will all come out in the wash, but this was not a good week for Kansas or Arizona. From the Preston car issues to the De Sousa payments to Self having dinner with TJ Gassnola the night before he was inducted into the Hall of Fame, Kansas fans should be nervous.

For Arizona, no reasonable person could be expected to believe Adidas paid money to Ayton and he went to Arizona without money changing hands. Lots of smoke around the program. It sounds like they were offering money to everyone from Brian Bowen to Nas Little. I have no idea if there will be anything out before the season or if it impacts Mannion, but it does feel interesting that we lost marquee guards each of the past two seasons to the programs that are essentially at ground zero of this investigation.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Again, the FBI has asked the NCAA to wait.

The schools don't need to, though.

[GGGG]

The schools don't need to, though.

There is no reason for them to do anything immediately.  They won't be penalized for lack of moral virtue.

[Dr. Blackheart]

There is no reason for them to do anything immediately.  They won't be penalized for lack of moral virtue.

Their Board of Trustees may differ if they are fulfilling their legal obligations, especially at these state run institutions. Sitting on their hands is a ridiculous excuse that politicians and taxpayers won't take lightly. 

UL's acted, why not others? If these coaches got a DUI, they would be put on leave.  Bribery, misuse of funds, racketeering?  Let's wait and see.  😂

[forgetful]

Their Board of Trustees may differ if they are fulfilling their legal obligations, especially at these state run institutions. Sitting on their hands is a ridiculous excuse that politicians and taxpayers won't take lightly. 

UL's acted, why not others? If these coaches got a DUI, they would be put on leave.  Bribery, misuse of funds, racketeering?  Let's wait and see.  😂

I hate to say this, but the politicians and taxpayers would be more offended if there favorite big state school put sanctions on themselves.  People really only care about rules and punishment when it is affecting someone else.

[WhiteTrash]

I hate to say this, but the politicians and taxpayers would be more offended if there favorite big state school put sanctions on themselves.  People really only care about rules and punishment when it is affecting someone else.

100% True. If MU was as guilty as AZ, KU, UofL, etc. there would be a large percentage of people on this board defending Wojo and the program and grasping to any shred of evidence that might cast doubt. Just look at a Louisville fan board and see the number of people who hate their BoD and believe UofL has never done anything wrong.

To me the potential bigger question is "is it worth cheating?" If the NCAA is going to go soft or the legal system allows the schools to get off easy, I'm of the opinion MU should cheat their ass off. Look at the benefits to UK, AZ, UofL, NCSt, OKSt, etc.; it more than outweighs the cost to those programs. Hell, Wisconsin is a habitual violator of NCAA rules and the people of Wisconsin think the school and teams walk on water. (not just picking on Wisconsin, the same happens in most small states that have their sense of self worth tied to the state school like Nebraska, Alabama, Oklahoma, etc.)

[Dr. Blackheart]

I hate to say this, but the politicians and taxpayers would be more offended if there favorite big state school put sanctions on themselves.  People really only care about rules and punishment when it is affecting someone else.

I too am not surprised, but under the bylaws of most colleges and universities, a board member has both legal and fiduciary responsibilities that can leave them culpable personally by inaction.  It's also election season and not all are so enthralled with sports and its  largesse.

https://www.boardeffect.com/blog/roles-responsibilities-board-directors-college-university/

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I could see Arizona firing Miller. But only because I've heard that he's not particularly beloved by many power players in Tucson. If they decide they want him gone,  they could use this as an excuse. But that's the only way I see that happening.

Self?  Naw, he untouchable unless the NCAA gets involved.

[79Warrior]

I could see Arizona firing Miller. But only because I've heard that he's not particularly beloved by many power players in Tucson. If they decide they want him gone,  they could use this as an excuse. But that's the only way I see that happening.

Self?  Naw, he untouchable unless the NCAA gets involved.

Not sure that is true. School went all in on him after the story broke. That was their opportunity to make a move if what you say is true and the BOT chose not too. He was greeted by huge ovation when he came back for first game in Tucson after the story. What college coach anywhere does not have some heavy hitters who dislike them. Goes with the gig.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Not sure that is true. School went all in on him after the story broke. That was their opportunity to make a move if what you say is true and the BOT chose not too. He was greeted by huge ovation when he came back for first game in Tucson after the story. What college coach anywhere does not have some heavy hitters who dislike them. Goes with the gig.

I didn't say all or that it was likely that he would fired. But there  is a portion of the fan base and boosters that aren't fans of Miller. Louisville embraced pitino after the cardinal rules scandal. One scandal later and he was gowne.

[jesmu84]

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article220042375.html

[brewcity77]

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article220042375.html

Wow. That feels like the biggest info to drop since we saw Pitino leave UL.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

The funny thing is Kansas hasn't won anything in a decade and Arizona has as many titles as Marquette.

[GGGG]

The funny thing is Kansas hasn't won anything in a decade and Arizona has as many titles as Marquette.

Except for ten conference titles, a Final Four and a handful of Elite 8s.

[LloydsLegs]

To me the potential bigger question is "is it worth cheating?" If the NCAA is going to go soft or the legal system allows the schools to get off easy, I'm of the opinion MU should cheat their ass off. Look at the benefits to UK, AZ, UofL, NCSt, OKSt, etc.; it more than outweighs the cost to those programs. Hell, Wisconsin is a habitual violator of NCAA rules and the people of Wisconsin think the school and teams walk on water. (not just picking on Wisconsin, the same happens in most small states that have their sense of self worth tied to the state school like Nebraska, Alabama, Oklahoma, etc.)

Um, no.

[GGGG]

100% True. If MU was as guilty as AZ, KU, UofL, etc. there would be a large percentage of people on this board defending Wojo and the program and grasping to any shred of evidence that might cast doubt. Just look at a Louisville fan board and see the number of people who hate their BoD and believe UofL has never done anything wrong.

To me the potential bigger question is "is it worth cheating?" If the NCAA is going to go soft or the legal system allows the schools to get off easy, I'm of the opinion MU should cheat their ass off. Look at the benefits to UK, AZ, UofL, NCSt, OKSt, etc.; it more than outweighs the cost to those programs. Hell, Wisconsin is a habitual violator of NCAA rules and the people of Wisconsin think the school and teams walk on water. (not just picking on Wisconsin, the same happens in most small states that have their sense of self worth tied to the state school like Nebraska, Alabama, Oklahoma, etc.)

Yes because nothing says standing up for your values more than purposefully cheating.

[jesmu84]

Lots of tweet updates todaY:

https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/1052323887621578752

Zion Williamson gets brought up:

https://sports.yahoo.com/zion-williamsons-kansas-recruitment-comes-hoop-scandal-trial-234727916.html

NCAA involvement after the trial?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/dan-wolken/2018/10/16/college-basketball-under-assault-federal-trial-but-does-ncaa-care/1662138002/

Summary of today:

https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/college-basketball-scandal-trial-more-bad-news-for-kansas-zion-williamsons-name-appears-more-schools-implicated-context-matters

[jesmu84]

After catching up on today, it sure seems there's a LOT more stuff out there that wasn't admitted as evidence for this particular case. Which, if that "stuff" is anything like things we've heard, probably scares a LOT of coaches/people/players/programs.

Also, Coach K is either extremely accurate in saying this investigation is a "blip" (because he things/knows the NCAA isn't going to do anything to anyone) or he's 100% wrong. And I don't think there is an in-between.

https://sports.yahoo.com/coach-k-shows-college-basketballs-elite-thinks-hoops-corruption-trial-052601836.html

[WhiteTrash]

Yes because nothing says standing up for your values more than purposefully cheating.

As an entrepreneur for most of my professional career. I've had multiple opportunities to "cheat the system" and enrich myself but chose not to. I've also been cheated out of a large sum of money by others who "played ball".  I guess my catholic upbringing was the reason I did such but I get angry at the way cheaters are rewarded.

[buckchuckler]

Go big DePaul.  Go big.

[brewcity77]

We should be ready for the very realistic possibility Marquette gets mentioned at some point. I'm not sure any high major program should feel very confident in their innocence right now.

[Galway Eagle]

We should be ready for the very realistic possibility Marquette gets mentioned at some point. I'm not sure any high major program should feel very confident in their innocence right now.

I'd be more concerned if Michigan St was mentioned because they're the only top program we seem to be competing with consistenly for recruits.
Maybe for offering? I don't think we've taken any high enough recruits to actually pay outside of Henry but I doubt we paid and took Wally to get him.