NCAA recent investigations

[Cheeks]

Is being sent to Minnesota now considered a punishment?

Richard Andrew Pitino

Former head coach Louisville Cardinals

[muguru]

NC ST hit with two Level 1 allegations and one level II

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1149077324316467201

[Pakuni]

NC ST hit with two Level 1 allegations and one level II

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1149077324316467201

NCAA must be really mad at Arizona and Louisville to come down this hard on NC State.

[MU82]

NCAA must be really mad at Arizona and Louisville to come down this hard on NC State.

Yep. Classic.

UNC's violations were 10x as bad.

[muguru]

NCAA must be really mad at Arizona and Louisville to come down this hard on NC State.

I wouldn't say they are coming down hard...I bet little of anything comes from it as far as penalties go. Probably some loss of scholarships and that's about it. Everyone that was involved with this is gone. I personally don't think that should matter, but it will I think.

Just as I figured...the NCAA is toothless, what a sham. Hit the Coaches(meaningless), but not the programs itself.

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/article232511232.html

Somewhere, Bill Self and Sean Miller are raising a beer in celebration knowing their teams will still get to compete for(and maybe even win) a National Championship this next year. Absolute joke, but knew it was coming.

[source?]

I wouldn't say they are coming down hard...I bet little of anything comes from it as far as penalties go. Probably some loss of scholarships and that's about it. Everyone that was involved with this is gone. I personally don't think that should matter, but it will I think.

Just as I figured...the NCAA is toothless, what a sham. Hit the Coaches(meaningless), but not the programs itself.

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/article232511232.html

Somewhere, Bill Self and Sean Miller are raising a beer in celebration knowing their teams will still get to compete for(and maybe even win) a National Championship this next year. Absolute joke, but knew it was coming.

Did you even read the article? All of the blame and consequences for paying players are on the coaches. I agree that the schools are getting off easy, but the coaches are not.

[Galway Eagle]

Honestly think that the NCAA is scared of hitting programs too hard now considering all it'd take would be two or three major conferences breaking off to drastically alter the money and influence the ncaa has.

[Billy Hoyle]

Yep. Classic.

UNC's violations were 10x as bad.

Not really, and don't forget that UNC had been hit by the NCAA a few years earlier (2011, I believe) for agent and academic issues in football (the insinuation was clear in the violation report that the tutor was sleeping with players).  One violation cited was the tutor circled mistakes a player was repeatedly making on a paper - physically marking up the paper was "academic dishonesty."

The thing with the classes is that every student had access to them. They were particularly popular amongst frats. That fact got UNC out of NCAA sanctions as they were not providing a special benefit. An extra benefit is only something that is made available to athletes and not either the entire student body or another designated group. UNC's issue was academic and therefore this fell under the jurisdiction of their accreditation body. If it were proven to be only athletes given access to this class then they would have triggered an extra benefits case.

The NCAA has hit big schools repeatedly too. The old Tarkanian line was just him being bitter that he was rightfully investigated. USC football, Alabama football, Minnesota basketball, Michigan football and basketball, Michigan State football, Ohio State football, Syracuse basketball, UConn basketball, Washington football and Indiana basketball are examples I can think of immediately where a big time program was hit and hit hard for violations.  The reason smaller programs get hit is lack of resources and oversight. Ohio State has 10 compliance officers, USC now has 16, smaller programs have one or two.

[muguru]

Not really, and don't forget that UNC had been hit by the NCAA a few years earlier (2011, I believe) for agent and academic issues in football (the insinuation was clear in the violation report that the tutor was sleeping with players).  One violation cited was the tutor circled mistakes a player was repeatedly making on a paper - physically marking up the paper was "academic dishonesty."

The thing with the classes is that every student had access to them. They were particularly popular amongst frats. That fact got UNC out of NCAA sanctions as they were not providing a special benefit. An extra benefit is only something that is made available to athletes and not either the entire student body or another designated group. UNC's issue was academic and therefore this fell under the jurisdiction of their accreditation body. If it were proven to be only athletes given access to this class then they would have triggered an extra benefits case.

The NCAA has hit big schools repeatedly too. The old Tarkanian line was just him being bitter that he was rightfully investigated. USC football, Alabama football, Minnesota basketball, Michigan football and basketball, Michigan State football, Ohio State football, Syracuse basketball, UConn basketball, Washington football and Indiana basketball are examples I can think of immediately where a big time program was hit and hit hard for violations.  The reason smaller programs get hit is lack of resources and oversight. Ohio State has 10 compliance officers, USC now has 16, smaller programs have one or two.

I'd be willing to bet when these other schools get their level 1 violations, like Arizona and KU, there will be no postseason bans(even thought there should be at least one if not multiple). Nothing else really matters, and makes the whole thing a joke.

[Billy Hoyle]

I'd be willing to bet when these other schools get their level 1 violations, like Arizona and KU, there will be no postseason bans(even thought there should be at least one if not multiple). Nothing else really matters, and makes the whole thing a joke.

Louisville got one, why wouldn't these schools?

[Dr. Blackheart]

Louisville got one, why wouldn't these schools?

Then there was that University of Miami investigation...

[Cheeks]

Honestly think that the NCAA is scared of hitting programs too hard now considering all it'd take would be two or three major conferences breaking off to drastically alter the money and influence the ncaa has.

The ncaa money that comes from the tv contracts are tied to the ncaa.  Sure, some schools or conferences could break off but it would require brand new media deals because the money stays with the ncaa.  Don't forget the academic types at universities already have a stern eye to the athletic side.

[muguru]

Louisville got one, why wouldn't these schools?

They self imposed that

[The Sultan]

The ncaa money that comes from the tv contracts are tied to the ncaa.  Sure, some schools or conferences could break off but it would require brand new media deals because the money stays with the ncaa.  Don't forget the academic types at universities already have a stern eye to the athletic side.

The football money doesn't.

[Billy Hoyle]

Then there was that University of Miami investigation...

Yep, the NCAA was overly aggressive in the investigation in trying to nail them wrote answers for Shapiro, using records from his court testimony. That dude (who was also on the USC investigation and added, impermissibly, sanctions for them hiring Lane Kiffin) got fired.

[VegasWarrior77]

OT: Last week the NCAA was checking out the Las Vegas Stadium being built for the Raiders.  I would love to see MU in the Final Four here someday!

[jesmu84]

???

https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/because-of-the-fbi-investigation-auburn-had-secret-sanctions-and-werent-allowed-to-do-any-sort-of-recruiting-wait-huh

[The Sultan]

???

https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/because-of-the-fbi-investigation-auburn-had-secret-sanctions-and-werent-allowed-to-do-any-sort-of-recruiting-wait-huh

They author doesn't seem to realize they were self-imposed.

[forgetful]

???

https://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/because-of-the-fbi-investigation-auburn-had-secret-sanctions-and-werent-allowed-to-do-any-sort-of-recruiting-wait-huh

Yet they had a visit and got a commit during that window of time. Kind of strange isn't it?

[GB Warrior]

They author doesn't seem to realize they were self-imposed.

What a joke. I'll let you decide if I'm referring to the publication or the self-imposed sanctions

[Cheeks]

What a joke. I'll let you decide if I'm referring to the publication or the self-imposed sanctions

The correct answer is both.  Fortunately the "penalty" is self imposed may or may not get any credit from the NCAA...my personal opinion is that they were recruiting anyway and to suggest they weren't horsehockey.  The writer is a complete joke and continues to be.

[Newsdreams]

Double secret probation

[jesmu84]

Holy crap people.

Fine.

Is this one better?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/al.com/auburnbasketball/2019/08/auburn-basketball-had-severe-self-imposed-sanctions-from-2017-it-never-made-public.html%3foutputType=amp

[forgetful]

Holy crap people.

Fine.

Is this one better?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/al.com/auburnbasketball/2019/08/auburn-basketball-had-severe-self-imposed-sanctions-from-2017-it-never-made-public.html%3foutputType=amp

I was wrong on the no visits. The visit I was looking at was in 2019. I misread both articles as the self-ban was from 18-19, not the 17-18 that the articles state.

[Dr. Blackheart]

How is this timeline going?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/at-least-six-college-basketball-programs-will-be-notified-of-major-ncaa-violations-by-this-summer/amp/