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MerrittsMustache

Quote from: MU82 on June 21, 2018, 10:39:04 AM
The last time I heard this much "please don't take him" talk from Bulls fans had to do with Noah. Most Bulls fans I knew (and I knew a lot of them) desperately wanted the team to take anybody else.

Doesn't mean y'all are "wrong" about Young, of course.

That's fair. However, I do feel like more of the "don't take him" talk around Noah was because he was obnoxious and viewed as a clown. He's the prototypical "I like him on my team but would hate him on another." Personally, I don't want Young because I view him as a stat-chasing chucker.

Pakuni

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 21, 2018, 10:58:42 AM
That's fair. However, I do feel like more of the "don't take him" talk around Noah was because he was obnoxious and viewed as a clown. He's the prototypical "I like him on my team but would hate him on another." Personally, I don't want Young because I view him as a stat-chasing chucker.

So, there are reasons why Young might not be worth a top 10 pick (size, athleticism, durability questions), but being a "stat-chasing chucker" isn't one of them.
It's bizarre to me that a guy who easily led the nation in assists and singlehandedly dragged a mediocre team to a tournament bid (that they probably didn't deserve, but still) is constantly portrayed as some sort of selfish, me-first guy. Young dominated the ball at Oklahoma, because that's what his coach told and needed him to do if that team was going to have any chance to win games. To think Young would be the exact same guy surrounded by NBA talent is, I think, misguided.


buckchuckler

Quote from: MU82 on June 21, 2018, 10:39:04 AM
The last time I heard this much "please don't take him" talk from Bulls fans had to do with Noah. Most Bulls fans I knew (and I knew a lot of them) desperately wanted the team to take anybody else.

Doesn't mean y'all are "wrong" about Young, of course.

I was certainly in that boat.  And ended up loving him as a player.  I couldn't have been more wrong.

And for the record, I am not against Young at all.  Sure seems like a guy that can do everything on the court.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: MU82 on June 21, 2018, 10:39:04 AM
The last time I heard this much "please don't take him" talk from Bulls fans had to do with Noah. Most Bulls fans I knew (and I knew a lot of them) desperately wanted the team to take anybody else.

Doesn't mean y'all are "wrong" about Young, of course.

Personally, I had no issue with Noah, aside from thinking he was a bit of a turd at the time but I know that was a common sentiment.

Of course I could be way off about Young but I like other players better and I'm fine with Dunn at the one.  He still has a lot of work to do but I like the size and defense he brings to the position.   

Pakuni

#54
First 6 picks, according to Woj (though he couched it as this is how it's "taking shape"):
1. Ayton
2. Bagley
3. Doncic
4. Jackson
5. Bamba
6. Young


jesmu84

Quote from: Pakuni on June 21, 2018, 03:52:07 PM
First 6 picks, according to Woj (though he couched it as this is how it's "taking shape"):
1. Ayton
2. Bagley
3. Doncic
4. Jackson
5. Bamba
6. Young

Maybe just a typo, but maybe not... He didn't list a team with Jackson

ChitownSpaceForRent

Meh, really wanted the Bulls to take a flyer on Porter. But I guess they were the first to evaluate their injury.

🏀

Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 21, 2018, 07:18:19 PM
Meh, really wanted the Bulls to take a flyer on Porter. But I guess they were the first to evaluate their injury.

Pax gonna Pax

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on June 21, 2018, 07:18:19 PM
Meh, really wanted the Bulls to take a flyer on Porter. But I guess they were the first to evaluate their injury.

Quote from: PTM + Chartouny = Us on June 21, 2018, 07:33:27 PM
Pax gonna Pax

And yet Porter Jr is still out there. Pax deserves his share of criticism but there's a reason he hasn't been drafted yet.

GGGG

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on June 21, 2018, 07:34:45 PM
And yet Porter Jr is still out there. Pax deserves his share of criticism but there's a reason he hasn't been drafted yet.

It's not as though Porter is miles about the other talent at the top end of the draft.  If he was he would be worth the risk, but playing it safe and getting similar talent is the right move.

Pakuni

Can't shake the feeling that the Bulls took the big man version of Lu Deng.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: Pakuni on June 21, 2018, 08:12:07 PM
Can't shake the feeling that the Bulls took the big man version of Lu Deng.

That's somehow a bad thing at 7?

GoldenZebra


ChitownSpaceForRent

Looks like he'll be playing in the Chaluparena next year after all. I think that's a good pick for the Bucks.

Nice scorer off the bench and can shoot, which the Bucks need.

Mr. Nielsen

Nice pick. Hope it works out.
If we are all thinking alike, we're not thinking at all. It's OK to disagree. Just don't be disagreeable.
-Bill Walton

GGGG

A bonus is that MPD will like the Bucks pick too!

rocket surgeon

Quote from: #bansultan on June 21, 2018, 08:29:39 PM
A bonus is that MPD will like the Bucks pick too!

It wasn't teal so I'm going to call you on it- brutal, not funny and racial profiling
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

GGGG

Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 21, 2018, 08:32:46 PM
It wasn't teal so I'm going to call you on it- brutal, not funny and racial profiling


Ooooo!!!  You're "calling me on it?"  Whatever will I do????

4everwarriors

The L-7 in this bunch are just having a tough, tough time letting go of the election aina?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

jesmu84

Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 21, 2018, 08:32:46 PM
It wasn't teal so I'm going to call you on it- brutal, not funny and racial profiling

Much like some members of the MPD

GGGG

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 21, 2018, 08:37:19 PM
The L-7 in this bunch are just having a tough, tough time letting go of the election aina?

Oh irony.  Sweet, delicious, irony.  You never disappoint.

jesmu84

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 21, 2018, 08:37:19 PM
The L-7 in this bunch are just having a tough, tough time letting go of the election aina?

?-(

What does the election have to do with the NBA draft?

Pakuni

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on June 21, 2018, 08:21:05 PM
That's somehow a bad thing at 7?

Not necessarily bad ... just not particularly good. Deng, even in his best years, amounted to no more than a third option on a contender. He was never a lead/go-to guy. IMO, iwhen you're picking this high you need to aim for guys with that kind of potential. Instead, the Bulls played it safe.

wadesworld

I like Divencenzo, but think I would've liked Robert Williams more.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: Pakuni on June 21, 2018, 08:49:10 PM
Not necessarily bad ... just not particularly good. Deng, even in his best years, amounted to no more than a third option on a contender. He was never a lead/go-to guy. IMO, iwhen you're picking this high you need to aim for guys with that kind of potential. Instead, the Bulls played it safe.

So who did you want?  Porter Jr?  Anyone else?

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