Villanova takes a hit.

[Johnny B]

Some of you guys are complete morons. bias idiots that's all I can say. This conference is NOT, I reapeat  NOT established as an elite conference yet. it NEEDS good teams to be there every year. why ppl want everyone on nova to leave just so mu might move up a spot is beyond me. How about aspire to rise to their level, not hope they fall to ours. The conference will be very week next season. Bunch of teams loosing a lot. I'm worried. Hope DD Omari stock around so the big east has at least one top 15 team.

[wadesworld]

Some of you guys are complete morons. bias idiots that's all I can say. This conference is NOT, I reapeat  NOT established as an elite conference yet. it NEEDS good teams to be there every year. why ppl want everyone on nova to leave just so mu might move up a spot is beyond me. How about aspire to rise to their level, not hope they fall to ours. The conference will be very week next season. Bunch of teams loosing a lot. I'm worried. Hope DD Omari stock around so the big east has at least one top 15 team.

Oh the irony.

[naginiF]

Oh the irony.

out of 145 people, 82 agree with you.  63 do not agree with you.

Johnny B: once again welcome to the minority who've assume a victory.

[WindyCityGoldenEagle]

Bucks have the 17th pick this year, I would take either of them.

NBA draft cardinal rule to live by: never draft an American born white guy. Hard pass on DD.

[Its DJOver]

Some of you guys are complete morons. bias idiots that's all I can say. This conference is NOT, I reapeat  NOT established as an elite conference yet. it NEEDS good teams to be there every year. why ppl want everyone on nova to leave just so mu might move up a spot is beyond me. How about aspire to rise to their level, not hope they fall to ours. The conference will be very week next season. Bunch of teams loosing a lot. I'm worried. Hope DD Omari stock around so the big east has at least one top 15 team.

Curious what you think it'll take for the conference to be elite?  I think it's right up there with any in the country. Yes next year will be a down year as a whole,  but there are 5-6 top 40 programs IMO, and as bad as DePaul is, they're not the worst cellar dweller in a P6 conference.  The B10-14 just had a historically poor year outside of Michigan's fortunate run, and they're still firmly established as an elite conference.

[BM1090]

NBA draft cardinal rule to live by: never draft an American born white guy. Hard pass on DD.

Redick and Love are very good. Ryan Anderson and Chandler Parsons (when healthy) are pretty good.

Other than that, slim pickens

[Lennys Tap]

Some of you guys are complete morons. bias idiots that's all I can say. This conference is NOT, I reapeat  NOT established as an elite conference yet. it NEEDS good teams to be there every year. why ppl want everyone on nova to leave just so mu might move up a spot is beyond me. How about aspire to rise to their level, not hope they fall to ours. The conference will be very week next season. Bunch of teams loosing a lot. I'm worried. Hope DD Omari stock around so the big east has at least one top 15 team.

The tone and personal insults I could do without, but I agree with the general theme. The New Big East hasn't been around long enough to establish itself as "elite". Villanova success in the NCAA tournament has been great for the conference and has softened the blow of mostly mediocre to less than mediocre NCAA tourneys by the group as a whole. To stay at or near the top we need Nova to maintain or a couple of teams to become "Xaviers" IMO.

[Dr. Blackheart]

The tone and personal insults I could do without, but I agree with the general theme. The New Big East hasn't been around long enough to establish itself as "elite". Villanova success in the NCAA tournament has been great for the conference and has softened the blow of mostly mediocre to less than mediocre NCAA tourneys by the group as a whole. To stay at or near the top we need Nova to maintain or a couple of teams to become "Xaviers" IMO.

How would you rate the new B1G?

[Its DJOver]

The tone and personal insults I could do without, but I agree with the general theme. The New Big East hasn't been around long enough to establish itself as "elite". Villanova success in the NCAA tournament has been great for the conference and has softened the blow of mostly mediocre to less than mediocre NCAA tourneys by the group as a whole. To stay at or near the top we need Nova to maintain or a couple of teams to become "Xaviers" IMO.

Do you really think that 2 players declaring early for the draft will effect the stature of the conference as a whole?  Even if they come back, Nova won't be as good next year, that's just what happens when you lose the player of the year and a lottery pick.  However, the Nova program will continue to be strong, as will a number of other Beast programs that will take a step back next year. 

Overall, since the realignment, I have been very impressed with the conference as a whole.  We have once again proved that you don't need football to be an elite basketball conference, and I would say putting 60% of your conference in the tourney would qualify it as elite.  Nova has proved to be one of the best programs in the country this decade.  X is facing a question mark in an unproven head coach, but their history shows that they'll be back, I trust Cooley, McDermitt, Jordan and Wojo to keep their respective programs either trending up, or maintaining their success, even Georgetown is showing signs of becoming relevant in the near future. 

What more do you think it'll take?  Sure, other conference's are more top heavy, but very few have the quality of depth that the Beast has.

[Lennys Tap]

How would you rate the new B1G?

In the short term we're fine. Villanova and Xavier are top notch. Butler is solid. Providence, Seton Hall and Creighton are performing better than they usually do (historically). I expect them to revert to the mean, which means MU, Georgetown and maybe St Johns will have to step it up some. I think that's likely.

[MU82]

I'm not even slightly worried about the status and stature of the Big East.

It's been superb since MU joined -- both in its previous form, when it arguably was the best league ever ... to the current form, when it is underrated by some but appreciated by most who are in the know.

[MuMark]

Redick and Love are very good. Ryan Anderson and Chandler Parsons (when healthy) are pretty good.

Other than that, slim pickens

Gordon Hayward

[Windyplayer]

For those with a mathematical bent, Auburn has provided the tools to figure this out in his BEast Nat'l Ratings thread's link to his Cracked Sidewalks article.  In that article, he shows Nova ranked third next year with 55.6 points of Projected Value Add (PVA), he also provides the PVA for both DiVincenzo 7.84 and Spellman 4.96.  If you subtract those from Nova's total, you get a 42.8 PVA which drops Nova to 17th.  Marq is ranked 27th with a 39.02 PVA.  Most systems credit home court advantage as worth approximately 4 points, so those two leaving makes the game at Marq a slight Marq advantage or a pick 'em game.  So, yeah, losing those two guys with their combined 12.8 points of PVA makes any Marq Nova game much more winnable for Marq.

Now if those guys leave AND Marquette gets additional PVA from say Joseph Chartouny, maybe Marq even moves past Nova, and .....................

Yeah, but that's just...like...your opinion, man. [Round of applause]

[Dawson Rental]

In the short term we're fine. Villanova and Xavier are top notch. Butler is solid. Providence, Seton Hall and Creighton are performing better than they usually do (historically). I expect them to revert to the mean, which means MU, Georgetown and maybe St Johns will have to step it up some. I think that's likely.

I agree with you on Seton Hall which seems to be falling back since the effect of a great class of freshmen four years ago doesn't look like it will be maintained, but I think you are sleeping on Providence which I believe has made a sea change to a very respectable program under Cooley.  Providence seems to me to be very consistent in their recruiting by getting at least a couple of noteworthy recruits each year.  I believe that Creighton's recruiting will allow them to remain a factor in the Big East race, as well.

[GooooMarquette]

I'm not even slightly worried about the status and stature of the Big East.

It's been superb since MU joined -- both in its previous form, when it arguably was the best league ever ... to the current form, when it is underrated by some but appreciated by most who are in the know.

+1

I was concerned at the time of realignment, but we've gotten past that. At this point, even the people at ESPN recognize BE hoops to be on par with the football 5.

[BM1090]

Gordon Hayward

Yep. Bad omission on my part.

[CTWarrior]

NBA draft cardinal rule to live by: never draft an American born white guy. Hard pass on DD.

Normally I would agree with you, and I don't know if DiVincenzo will amount to much in the NBA, but he has the quick-twitch athleticism that is usually the reason why you don't take American born white guys in the first round.

[Dr. Blackheart]

In the short term we're fine. Villanova and Xavier are top notch. Butler is solid. Providence, Seton Hall and Creighton are performing better than they usually do (historically). I expect them to revert to the mean, which means MU, Georgetown and maybe St Johns will have to step it up some. I think that's likely.

Wrong conference reference.

[Galway Eagle]

In the short term we're fine. Villanova and Xavier are top notch. Butler is solid. Providence, Seton Hall and Creighton are performing better than they usually do (historically). I expect them to revert to the mean, which means MU, Georgetown and maybe St Johns will have to step it up some. I think that's likely.

I always think it's funny people still include SJU in these revert to the mean or return to glory posts. They're slightly better than Depaul in the last 20yrs it's not like us or GTown where there's been a small hiccup

[Lennys Tap]

I always think it's funny people still include SJU in these revert to the mean or return to glory posts. They're slightly better than Depaul in the last 20yrs it's not like us or GTown where there's been a small hiccup

I put a "maybe" in front of St John's but not in front of MU or GTown. That's a qualifier that makes the Johnies less likely/necessary to make a comeback.

[rocket surgeon]

Normally I would agree with you, and I don't know if DiVincenzo will amount to much in the NBA, but he has the quick-twitch athleticism that is usually the reason why you don't take American born white guys in the first round.

i see a taller version of  jj redick

[NWarsh]

i see a taller version of  jj redick

How are their games remotely similar?  JJ has a much better stroke and probably 1/2 the athleticism as DD.

[GGGG]

How are their games remotely similar?  JJ has a much better stroke and probably 1/2 the athleticism as DD.

I think he's more of a combo guard in the Jarrett Jack mold though probably will turn out to be a better shooter.  Solid but not spectacular.  Will do a lot of things right but not really excel at anything.  Long NBA career though.

[Silkk the Shaka]

How are their games remotely similar?  JJ has a much better stroke and probably 1/2 the athleticism as DD.

Duh, they're both white!

I see him as a middle class man's Ray Allen. A shooter with sneaky explosive athleticism that can punish you on a close out and also D up.

[GGGG]

Duh, they're both white!

I see him as a middle class man's Ray Allen. A shooter with sneaky explosive athleticism that can punish you on a close out and also D up.

The thing is, no one before this year would have called him a shooter.  So I'm not sure how much range the guy actually has.  I guess we will see.