Villanova takes a hit.

[tower912]

Potentially.  Spellman exploring his draft options.   DD leaning that way but no official word yet.   No agents yet.  Smart moves by both.   Bridges and Brunson hiring agents.   Opportunity for MU to move up.   

[DCHoopster]

Potentially.  Spellman exploring his draft options.   DD leaning that way but no official word yet.   No agents yet.  Smart moves by both.   Bridges and Brunson hiring agents.   Opportunity for MU to move up.

Both should go, Spellman has great potential and I am not sure it can be higher then right now, do not take the risk.  DD is ready now.  If both leave Villy still will
have some nice pieces, but freshman will have to take over right away.  Saw Cole Swider play in an All-Star game, he will be a star at Villy.  Add that 5 star guard as well,
they will be fine.

[MU82]

Both absolutely should let the NBA kick their tires and see what their stock is.

I tend to agree that they both are trending up. I would think Spellman could play himself into a top-5 pick with another year of great coaching as the team's go-to guy. DD, I don't know what to think of him; his stock would seem to be so high now, but he was pretty inconsistent this season and he to likely would benefit as a player from returning.

But yeah, if either gets the vibe that he'll be a first-round pick, adios.

[DCHoopster]

Both absolutely should let the NBA kick their tires and see what their stock is.

I tend to agree that they both are trending up. I would think Spellman could play himself into a top-5 pick with another year of great coaching as the team's go-to guy. DD, I don't know what to think of him; his stock would seem to be so high now, but he was pretty inconsistent this season and he to likely would benefit as a player from returning.

But yeah, if either gets the vibe that he'll be a first-round pick, adios.

Bucks have the 17th pick this year, I would take either of them.

[4everwarriors]

What happens with the defending national champion's players has absolutely no baring on MU's future success.

[Silkk the Shaka]

What happens with the defending national champion's players has absolutely no baring on MU's future success.

Except that we play them 2-3 times per year and 2-3 wins in the future is better than 0 wins...

[Warrior1969]

Except that we play them 2-3 times per year and 2-3 wins in the future is better than 0 wins...

This

[4everwarriors]

Nah man, MU is literally time zones away from Villanova's success. First gotta get you own house in order befour worrin' 'bout the competition. Beesides, Wright has already shown he isn't steppin' on his johnson like Crean did and will build on his success. VU will be just fine goin' forward, hey?

[Its DJOver]

Nah man, MU is literally time zones away from Villanova's success. First gotta get you own house in order befour worrin' 'bout the competition. Beesides, Wright has already shown he isn't steppin' on his johnson like Crean did and will on his success. VU will be just fine goin' forward, hey?

I don't think anyone is questioning the state of the Nova program, but if you lose 4 players from a team that only went 7 deep most of the time, I don't care who you're bringing in, you're gonna take a step back.  Good thing is, a step back from national champions is still likely FF contender.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Nah man, MU is literally time zones away from Villanova's success. First gotta get you own house in order befour worrin' 'bout the competition. Beesides, Wright has already shown he isn't steppin' on his johnson like Crean did and will build on his success. VU will be just fine goin' forward, hey?

Duh. But a virtually unbeatable team instead of a very good team gives MU a better chance to win 2-3 contests per year.

For example, if Nova was a top-20ish team instead of #1 by a mile, we likely beat them once or twice this year and make the tourney instead of NIT 2 seed.

Ergo, what happens to their players has some bearing on MU's future success.

This isn't that hard.

[DCHoopster]

I don't think anyone is questioning the state of the Nova program, but if you lose 4 players from a team that only went 7 deep most of the time, I don't care who you're bringing in, you're gonna take a step back.  Good thing is, a step back from national champions is still likely FF contender.

Not sure about Villy being a contender for FF.  Not sure Wright was truly ready to lose all 4.   They will be good, but beatable as Paschall can not carry the load or
whomever is returning.  Lose 4 and only 3 are coming in right now, big drop-off.  MU probably has a chance to beat them again, at least at home.

[Its DJOver]

Not sure about Villy being a contender for FF.  Not sure Wright was truly ready to lose all 4.   They will be good, but beatable as Paschall can not carry the load or
whomever is returning.  Lose 4 and only 3 are coming in right now, big drop-off.  MU probably has a chance to beat them again, at least at home.

That depends on different people's opinion on how many FF contenders there are right now.  Even if they lose all 4 (which I don't think will happen), just out of respect for the program, the coaching ability of Wright, and the incoming class, I would consider them a FF contender.  TBH though, if I had to make a list right now, there would probably be about a dozen "FF contenders".  (At least until FBI sanctions come out, whenever that will be)

Agree that we can beat them though, even if both OS and DD come back.

[brewcity77]

Not sure about Villy being a contender for FF.  Not sure Wright was truly ready to lose all 4.   They will be good, but beatable as Paschall can not carry the load or
whomever is returning.  Lose 4 and only 3 are coming in right now, big drop-off.  MU probably has a chance to beat them again, at least at home.

+1

Paschall and Booth are great, but they aren't carrying Nova to a Big East title much less a Final Four.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

If I was a GM I would absolutely use a mid to late first round pick on Spellman. Kid is a stud and I think will only get better.

DD I am less sure about but it's had to imagine his stock being higher after showing out in the national championship.

Even if all four go, I think Nova still wins the Big East....but they go from nigh unbeatable to us having a good shot of beating them at least once next season.

[Jockey]

Potentially.  Spellman exploring his draft options.   DD leaning that way but no official word yet.   No agents yet.  Smart moves by both.   Bridges and Brunson hiring agents.   Opportunity for MU to move up.

I'll be kinda surprised if either goes to the NBA this year.

Every college player who aspires to the NBA should do what these guys did. Get that input from NBA scouts - it will help many of them achieve their goal.

I cannot believe Howard and Hauser haven't done this.

[Dawson Rental]

For those with a mathematical bent, Auburn has provided the tools to figure this out in his BEast Nat'l Ratings thread's link to his Cracked Sidewalks article.  In that article, he shows Nova ranked third next year with 55.6 points of Projected Value Add (PVA), he also provides the PVA for both DiVincenzo 7.84 and Spellman 4.96.  If you subtract those from Nova's total, you get a 42.8 PVA which drops Nova to 17th.  Marq is ranked 27th with a 39.02 PVA.  Most systems credit home court advantage as worth approximately 4 points, so those two leaving makes the game at Marq a slight Marq advantage or a pick 'em game.  So, yeah, losing those two guys with their combined 12.8 points of PVA makes any Marq Nova game much more winnable for Marq.

Now if those guys leave AND Marquette gets additional PVA from say Joseph Chartouny, maybe Marq even moves past Nova, and .....................

[Its DJOver]

I'll be kinda surprised if either goes to the NBA this year.

Every college player who aspires to the NBA should do what these guys did. Get that input from NBA scouts - it will help many of them achieve their goal.

I cannot believe Howard and Hauser haven't done this.

Can't you only do it once, so it would make sense to declare without hiring after your Junior year?  I may be wrong, but that would explain why Markus hasn't declared yet, and Sam is in no physical shape to be working out for scouts since he was still on crutches last week at the awards ceremony.

[brewcity77]

Can't you only do it once, so it would make sense to declare without hiring after your Junior year?  I may be wrong, but that would explain why Markus hasn't declared yet, and Sam is in no physical shape to be working out for scouts since he was still on crutches last week at the awards ceremony.

You can do it twice. Howard also is going on that athletes trip to South America with Matt Heldt. Not sure he'll be around much.

[Lennys Tap]

Nah man, MU is literally time zones away from Villanova's success. First gotta get you own house in order befour worrin' 'bout the competition. Beesides, Wright has already shown he isn't steppin' on his johnson like Crean did and will build on his success. VU will be just fine goin' forward, hey?

Agree. Getting "better" because a team who regularly thumps you gets worse isn't getting better - it's just having an easier schedule.

[DCHoopster]

You can do it twice. Howard also is going on that athletes trip to South America with Matt Heldt. Not sure he'll be around much.

And what position does he play in the pros?  2 guard, can he guard Kris Middleton?  I think he needs a year or two to work on being a point.

[Goose]

Lenny and 4ever

Agree completely.

[MU82]

Not sure about Villy being a contender for FF.  Not sure Wright was truly ready to lose all 4.

The man can't coach. Took him 15 years to get to the Final Four, 22 to win a title.

[Silkk the Shaka]

For those with a mathematical bent, Auburn has provided the tools to figure this out in his BEast Nat'l Ratings thread's link to his Cracked Sidewalks article.  In that article, he shows Nova ranked third next year with 55.6 points of Projected Value Add (PVA), he also provides the PVA for both DiVincenzo 7.84 and Spellman 4.96.  If you subtract those from Nova's total, you get a 42.8 PVA which drops Nova to 17th.  Marq is ranked 27th with a 39.02 PVA.  Most systems credit home court advantage as worth approximately 4 points, so those two leaving makes the game at Marq a slight Marq advantage or a pick 'em game.  So, yeah, losing those two guys with their combined 12.8 points of PVA makes any Marq Nova game much more winnable for Marq.

Now if those guys leave AND Marquette gets additional PVA from say Joseph Chartouny, maybe Marq even moves past Nova, and ..................... that's exactly why what happens to their players has bearing on MU's future success

[willie warrior]

Nah man, MU is literally time zones away from Villanova's success. First gotta get you own house in order befour worrin' 'bout the competition. Beesides, Wright has already shown he isn't steppin' on his johnson like Crean did and will build on his success. VU will be just fine goin' forward, hey?

Speaking of stepping on johns, does this apply to   Wojo at all?
Funny on all the glee here that Villanova players turning pro helps us to move up. Maybe a better idea is to get players and coaches equal to Villanova.

[brewcity77]

And what position does he play in the pros?  2 guard, can he guard Kris Middleton?  I think he needs a year or two to work on being a point.

Huh? I have no idea what your question has to do with my post.