Can't wait for Rowsey to be gone

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Pretty much confirmation that many in our fan base greatly undervalue Andrew. He and Travis are very similar and had similar senior seasons.

Ners isn't wrong on the offensive end of the bad. Similar ppg, similar rpg, and almost the exact same eFG%. Rowdy gets the edge in scoring but Travis was a significantly better distributor and floor general. He has more assists and less turnovers....and I think if he was passing to as good of offensive players as Rowdy has to pass to, I think his numbers could have even been better.

03-04 Travis: 34.2 mpg, 18.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 6.0 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.0 bpg, 2.4 tpg, 52.8 eFG%
17-18 Rowdy: 31.7 mpg, 19.7 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 4.6 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.2 bpg, 2.7 tpg, 52.9 eFG%

The biggest difference I believe is on the defensive end. I don't have advanced stats going back that far, but if my memory is correct Travis was a much much better defender than Rowdy and that's what will keep Rowdy out of the Association IMHO. The 2 inches Diener has on Rowdy I'm sure doesn't hurt either.

We will absolutely miss Rowdy next season. To think otherwise is absurd. We'll just miss him on one end of the floor.

[WarriorFan]

Rowsey's next year will be very interesting.  He can go to Europe and make big money and "do what he does" or stay home and do G league and hope someone sees the JJ Barea in him. 

All the other guys with his type game in the NBA are either 3 inches taller or better defenders or both.

[mileskishnish72]

Follow the money.

[GGGG]

He's nowhere near as quick as Berea.  Who's he going to guard?

[Lennys Tap]

Andrew will be greatly missed next year.  Think some underestimate his value to this team/program.  He's Travis Diener 2.0.

I sometimes wonder if Andrew might claw his way onto an NBA roster.  JJ Barea comes to mind as a comp.  Think Andrew is a little better athlete than people give him credit for - very quick and skilled with the ball.  Elite shooter.  Defensive side of the ball would be the problem of course..

Rowsey is actually a better shooter than Diener. His range is unlimited. Not as good a passer, 2 inches shorter. Neither were good defenders, Diener probably a little better. Don't see Rowsey in the NBA.

[Marqevans]

Rowsey is actually a better shooter than Diener. His range is unlimited. Not as good a passer, 2 inches shorter. Neither were good defenders, Diener probably a little better. Don't see Rowsey in the NBA.

Diener had Wade and Novak to distribute to, this team just doesn't have those kind of options.

[GGGG]

Diener had Wade and Novak to distribute to, this team just doesn't have those kind of options.

Diener didn't have Wade his last two seasons.  Rowsey has plenty of scoring options to distribute to.

Diener's senior year EFG% is within percentage points of Rowsey's and Diener was actually a better 3 point shooter - though not by much.  And even though he had a lower usage than Rowsey does this year, Diener was still a 23 ppg scorer and had an assist rate of 53.3%. (!!!)

I mean I like Rowsey but Diener was the better college player.

[MU82]

Diener didn't have Wade his last two seasons.  Rowsey has plenty of scoring options to distribute to.

Diener's senior year EFG% is within percentage points of Rowsey's and Diener was actually a better 3 point shooter - though not by much.  And even though he had a lower usage than Rowsey does this year, Diener was still a 23 ppg scorer and had an assist rate of 53.3%. (!!!)

I mean I like Rowsey but Diener was the better college player.

Diener averaged 19.7 ppg as a senior before he got hurt. He did average 23.2 per 40 mins.

Diener had one of the great 3-point shooters ever to pass to, but otherwise had role players and guys who didn't quite realize their potential (Mason, Amaroso).

Most importantly, don't ever forget that he had Niv Berkowitz to pass to!

[patso]

Rowsey is one of my favorite MU players along with Damon Key, Davante Gardner and Aaron Hutchins. All had weaknesses but all had heart and soul.

[GGGG]

Diener averaged 19.7 ppg as a senior before he got hurt. He did average 23.2 per 40 mins.

Diener had one of the great 3-point shooters ever to pass to, but otherwise had role players and guys who didn't quite realize their potential (Mason, Amaroso).

Most importantly, don't ever forget that he had Niv Berkowitz to pass to!

Thanks MU.  I was scanning through the stats and obviously picked the wrong one.

[warriorchick]

Diener had Wade and Novak to distribute to, this team just doesn't have those kind of options.

Diener has way more non-shooting skills than AR.

Just watching him play point at the Old-Timers game as part of last year's 100th anniversary celebration was eye-opening.  Even with a bunch of old guys who had never actually played together, he distributed the ball brilliantly.

[Herman Cain]

Diener has way more non-shooting skills than AR.

Just watching him play point at the Old-Timers game as part of last year's 100th anniversary celebration was eye-opening.  Even with a bunch of old guys who had never actually played together, he distributed the ball brilliantly.

I saw that game too and was really impressed with the pace that Diener moved the ball all over the floor.

[Lennys Tap]

Diener had Wade and Novak to distribute to, this team just doesn't have those kind of options.

You didn't "distribute" to Dwyane Wade. You handed him the ball and got out of his way. Novak, yes. And for Rowsey, Hauser.

[Floorslapper]

Rowsey is one of my favorite MU players along with Damon Key, Davante Gardner and Aaron Hutchins. All had weaknesses but all had heart and soul.

Wow.  Great list.  Four of my absolute favorites as well too.

Regarding Andrew vs Travis - Andrew is quicker than Travis, and I would say has a much better ability to create his own shot, than did Travis.  Travis was a better defender.  End of the day, think both Travis and Rowsey were underappreciated by some of our fans, and the fact we can have a legitimate debate about Rowsey vs Travis speaks to Andrew's talent.

Andrew will be greatly missed next year, despite whomever we might land in grad transfer market or incoming frosh. 

[MU82]

Are there real a lot of MU fans who did not/do not appreciate Diener?

I was nowhere near Scoop when he played for MU (not even sure it existed), but it's hard to believe that very many people didn't appreciate him for the very good college player he was.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Are there real a lot of MU fans who did not/do not appreciate Diener?

I was nowhere near Scoop when he played for MU (not even sure it existed), but it's hard to believe that very many people didn't appreciate him for the very good college player he was.

One vociferous basketball alum called him a "dime a dozen PG".

[brewcity77]

One vociferous basketball alum called him a "dime a dozen PG".

That's maybe the dumbest comment I've ever seen, especially from a former Marquette player. Diener was a stud.

[AZMarqfan]

AR will be missed.  Markus has a lot of the same strengths/flaws, but could learn a lot from Rowsey.  Rowsey is a superior ball handler and is better at doing everything needed to get open.  Both are poor defenders.  Both can sure shoot.  Watching St Mary's last night, I think Rowsey could fire 2 shots in the release time of the Gaels' guards

[MU82]

AR will be missed.  Markus has a lot of the same strengths/flaws, but could learn a lot from Rowsey.  Rowsey is a superior ball handler and is better at doing everything needed to get open.  Both are poor defenders.  Both can sure shoot.  Watching St Mary's last night, I think Rowsey could fire 2 shots in the release time of the Gaels' guards

The first of the 2 deep-deep-deep AR-30 treys, he was looking to pass, realized the clock was running out and it was almost as if he shrugged his shoulders and said, "What the hell" before launching it. As Bahe said, the incredible thing was that it didn't even look like it required effort, whereas that's usually a heave for most players. His second one was simply a cold-MF-blooded heat check. And he was still hot!

[MU82]

One vociferous basketball alum called him a "dime a dozen PG".

Who?

[Lennys Tap]

Who?

Murffius, aka Gr8one.

[mileskishnish72]

Was stewing about this topic because I was pissed off about it given all Rowsey's given us.
Went back to the post and noted the fact that the OP has 15 posts. I think it's a troll.
Unless it's Andrew himself wanting us all to support him (joke, I don't know how to make teal).

I thought about what I said about him in other posts and this topic. I remembered what I thought about a 5'10" (Ha!) traditional transfer from Asheville or wherever it was and what I expected out of him. He turned out to be the antithesis of Jamail Jones. I'm just not sure I can remember an MU player that exceeded my expectations more than this guy (Wade?) (Davante?).

The whole post title is a stupid, puerile, asinine insult.

[jsglow]

One of the truly great shooters in Marquette history. And this year, Wojo has asked him to do other things too. While not perfect by any measure, he's taken the coaching, trusted his teammates, and led an incredibly young team to a .500 conference record and a certain post season berth. I hope he has a great last few weeks wearing the jersey.

[Daniel]

We will miss his phenom offensive talent next year. He played with swagger, supported the team and was fun to watch. All the best to AR!

[jsglow]

I also like his honesty.

When asked why he took the 35 footer from the Al logo.  'I was open.' Priceless.