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Author Topic: It only gets worse for Bucky  (Read 137497 times)

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #75 on: December 13, 2017, 11:22:16 PM »
Bo's recruiting classes and rankings via 247:

5stars - 2
4stars - 14
3stars - 23
2stars or less - 4

avg ranking - #183
median ranking - #152

2001
Devin Harris NR on 247

2002
nobody

2003
Brian Butch 5star #10
Kammron Taylor 3star #310

2004
Greg Stiemsma 4star #34
Michael Flowers 3star #173
DeAaron Williams 3star #223
Shariff Chambliss 3star #286

2005
Joe Krabbenhoft 4star #28
Marcus Landry 3star #135

2006
Trevon Hughes 4star #62
Jason Bohannon 4star #63
JP Gavinski 4star #117

2007
Jon Leuer 4star #81
Keaton Nankivil 4star #86
Tim Jarmusz 3star #199

2008
Jared Berggren 4star #85
Jordan Taylor 4star #109
Ian Markolf 3star #161
Robert Wilson 3star #265
Ryan Evans 3star #491

2009
Diamond Taylor 4star #117
Mike Brusewitz 4star #119
Jeremy Glover 2star #664

2010
Evan Anderson 3star #140
Ben Brust 3star #183
Josh Gasser 3star #197
Duje Dukan 3star #198

2011
Jarrod Uthoff 4star #116
George Marshall 3star #169
Traevon Jackson 3star #201
Frank Kaminsky 3star #218

2012
Sam Dekker 5star #12
Zak Showalter 3star #292

2013
Bronson Koenig 4star #110
Nigel Hayes 3star #137
Vitto Brown 3star #227
Riley Dearring 3star #253
Jordan Hill 2star #353
Aaron Moesch NR

2014
Ethan Happ 3star #152

2015
Brevin Pritzl 4star #94
Alex Illikainen 3star #147
Khalil Iverson 3star #319
Charlie Thomas 3star #380
Andy Van Vliet NR

Thanks for posting this and helping illustrate my point.  The number of players that were in the 100+ or 200+ range that became multiple year starters and tremendous contributors to Wisconsins impressive run is very sizeable.  Bo’s ability to discern what player ranked say 150 could turn out to be a high major multi year starter was really a key part of his  success.  Unless your a blue blood it is incredibly important.
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #76 on: December 14, 2017, 08:43:37 AM »
Quick question to Scoopers:

If Davison were a Warrior flopping all over the place and selling his shyte to the refs, would we still hate him?
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #77 on: December 14, 2017, 08:44:38 AM »
Quick question to Scoopers:

If Davison were a Warrior flopping all over the place and selling his shyte to the refs, would we still hate him?

He's a Badger so the answer doesn't really matter.  Flopping or not, he goes to UW-Madison.  He sucks.
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #78 on: December 14, 2017, 08:46:35 AM »
Quick question to Scoopers:

If Davison were a Warrior flopping all over the place and selling his shyte to the refs, would we still hate him?

It's not that he flops.  It's that he actually often commits the foul but somehow goads the refs into calling it his way.  Seriously.  The officiating I have seen in the Kohl hole these last two games has been truly awful.

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #79 on: December 14, 2017, 08:49:21 AM »
Good.   A reason to continue to hate Wisconsin and not pity them in their death spiral.    He flopped, he got the call at home in the Kohl Hole.   Nothing new, just a new name. 
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #80 on: December 14, 2017, 08:50:29 AM »
It's not that he flops.  It's that he actually often commits the foul but somehow goads the refs into calling it his way.  Seriously.  The officiating I have seen in the Kohl hole these last two games has been truly awful.

But is that Davison's fault or the refs' fault?

I never coach my kids to "cheat." But I do coach them to be aggressive as hell: "Make the refs call the fouls." When rebounding, if one of my players finds herself in a disadvantageous rebounding position, I coach her to "gently steer" the opponent too far under the basket. "But isn't that a foul, coach?" "Only if the refs call it."
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #81 on: December 14, 2017, 08:56:49 AM »
But is that Davison's fault or the refs' fault?

I never coach my kids to "cheat." But I do coach them to be aggressive as hell: "Make the refs call the fouls." When rebounding, if one of my players finds herself in a disadvantageous rebounding position, I coach her to "gently steer" the opponent too far under the basket. "But isn't that a foul, coach?" "Only if the refs call it."

Irrelevant.  It's simply a reason I HATE him.  (I'm sure he's actually a nice person. This is strictly in a basketball sense.)

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #82 on: December 14, 2017, 08:57:16 AM »
Quick question to Scoopers:

If Davison were a Warrior flopping all over the place and selling his shyte to the refs, would we still hate him?

Somehow, I think the word Heady might appear in our Posts.

But from my bias, I think he plays with a mattress on his back. 
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #83 on: December 14, 2017, 08:58:45 AM »
I love you, MU82.   Under the new rules in grade school, it is theoretically a foul to move a person while boxing out.   You can hold your position, as long as you don't extend your arms or push someone away with hour hips/butt.    We coach our team to get a hip/butt into their opponent, bump them and go get the ball.   Don't worry about the refs.   
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #84 on: December 14, 2017, 09:03:22 AM »
He's a Badger so the answer doesn't really matter.  Flopping or not, he goes to UW-Madison.  He sucks.

Oh, I totally get this. Just trying to spur conversation.

I wonder how much our opponents hate Rowsey, whom they might view as the offensive version of Davison.
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #85 on: December 14, 2017, 09:11:37 AM »
Quick question to Scoopers:

If Davison were a Warrior flopping all over the place and selling his shyte to the refs, would we still hate him?

No we would love him, just like we would hate Rowsey if he played for Bucky. Though there would be a few who disapprove just like there's a few who disapprove of #thething. Just the nature of sports.

I'm just glad that our short and hateable white guy is better than Bucky's short and hateable white guy!
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #86 on: December 14, 2017, 09:12:15 AM »
Quick question to Scoopers:

If Davison were a Warrior flopping all over the place and selling his shyte to the refs, would we still hate him?
YES! He’s a flopper. Flippers suck.
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #87 on: December 14, 2017, 09:14:48 AM »
Quick question to Scoopers:

If Davison were a Warrior flopping all over the place and selling his shyte to the refs, would we still hate him?

I'll say this...as awesome as The Thing is, it also can irritate me. I think Rowsey looks for it too much and sometimes passes on good looks trying to get his man in the air. I appreciate some gamesmanship, but sometimes I wanna say "just take the effing shot."

So watching a guy who spends more time on the floor than a Ghanaian soccer player with a 1-goal lead in the 4th minute of added time would bug me no matter who he played for, including us.
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #88 on: December 14, 2017, 09:16:27 AM »
As long as Davison remains in the top 2 or 3 players on the Badger roster, they are going to have serious issues in Madison.  He is one of those fake hustle guys, who will dive into the third row after a ball that has already hit out of bounds.  He has a very average shot and not terribly athletic.  Depth chart-wise, he would be behind every guard on the MU roster.  The UW faithful can cheer every skinned knee he gets for the next 4 years, I will be cheering wins at MU.  The talent gap was wide between the two teams last Saturday, and Davison is a prime example of that.

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #89 on: December 14, 2017, 09:20:23 AM »
UW beats a mid-major at Kohl on a cheap play that Gard saw run successfully at Necedah High School a decade ago.

And it helps our RPI. 

I'm cool with it.

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #90 on: December 14, 2017, 09:25:15 AM »
Quick question to Scoopers:

If Davison were a Warrior flopping all over the place and selling his shyte to the refs, would we still hate him?

Not sure there is a comparison between a player using his high level talent to pump fake a defender into a foul on the jump shot and a player who undercuts penetration, kicks his leg out into the defender on a jumper, and is suffering from the after effects of being shot with air bullets three times a game.

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #91 on: December 14, 2017, 09:33:13 AM »
No we would love him, just like we would hate Rowsey if he played for Bucky. Though there would be a few who disapprove just like there's a few who disapprove of #thething. Just the nature of sports.

I'm just glad that our short and hateable white guy is better than Bucky's short and hateable white guy!


I'm not sure I hate him...yet.  He isn't obnoxious like Schowalter was or in your face like Rowsey is.  He plays hard, does pretty well considering he is a freshman, and gets the refs to fall for his bullsh*t.

Now as time goes on he might wear on me.

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #92 on: December 14, 2017, 09:45:02 AM »
With the amount that Davison flops I can't believe that refs wont get wise to it pretty soon.  He may still get a call every once in a while on a flop but if he keeps up the act he will turn into the boy who cried wolf and not get any calls.  There is nothing I would like to see more than Davison getting a tech for flopping at some point this year. 

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #93 on: December 14, 2017, 09:45:36 AM »
Youcompketely missed the point, well done.

I didn't miss the point. You misstated reality.

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #94 on: December 14, 2017, 09:46:46 AM »
Especially in the college game where you get only five fouls, flopping should earn a technical like in the NBA. With the referee video reviews/grading in conferences games now, players quickly earn a reputation in conference play. The problem is out of conference games where there is a mishmash of officials.

Lately, Rowsey hasn't been getting all his calls, mostly in games with BE officials. Mostly, I don't mind Andrew's pump fake as it helps create space for subsequent plays. There are times when he oversells it where it is not enjoyable.

As for Davison, to be shot out of a cannon four times a game, it is a bs play. Howard having to sit on phantom fouls is not enjoyable basketball. (Btw, there was a point there when Sam was doing the Badger Whine, and it isn't a good look. I noticed he has calmed down lately). The consistency of NCAA officiating is horrible with so many independent operators, which is the crux of the matter. For instance, WSU was handchecking all over the place without a whistle, yet Davison gets these flopping calls.  Crapity officiating.

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #95 on: December 14, 2017, 10:45:30 AM »
As for Davison, to be shot out of a cannon four times a game, it is a bs play. Howard having to sit on phantom fouls is not enjoyable basketball. (Btw, there was a point there when Sam was doing the Badger Whine, and it isn't a good look. I noticed he has calmed down lately).
Yup, yup, yup, on both these points.  Flying backwards 10 feet on a phantom push off from Markus is bullsh!t, and Sam has, thankfully, toned down the negatively after every call against him.
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #96 on: December 14, 2017, 10:53:23 AM »
Do you remember when Tommy Naismith was overheard in the huddle telling his guys to flop on the inbound?
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #97 on: December 14, 2017, 11:01:03 AM »
Do you remember when Tommy Naismith was overheard in the huddle telling his guys to flop on the inbound?

Poor guys.  Viagra didn't exist back then.

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« Reply #98 on: December 14, 2017, 11:05:15 AM »
Well played.
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #99 on: December 14, 2017, 11:18:31 AM »
YES! He’s a flopper. Flippers suck.

Flip or flop?
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