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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: dajudge on December 11, 2017, 02:35:34 PM
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https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2017/12/11/wisconsin-freshman-guard-kobe-king-miss-rest-season-knee-injury/940480001/
Feel sorry for the young man
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Boo frickin hoo.
Too bad he didn't play Saturday....then he'd be unable to apply for a medical redshirt.
(Note that I too feel bad for the kid. My angle is looking at it in a team perspective.)
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Too bad he didn't play Saturday....then he'd be unable to apply for a medical redshirt.
I believe he's ineligible for a medical waiver regardless. You must play less than 30% of your team's regular season games. King played in 10 games, and 10/31=32.3%.
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I NEVER want to see an athlete get hurt. I sincerely hope Kobe has a full and complete recovery.
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I NEVER want to see an athlete get hurt. I sincerely hope Kobe has a full and complete recovery.
I suspect the vast majority of us agree with your thought. Hope the best for Kobe.
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I suspect the vast majority of us agree with your thought. Hope the best for Kobe.
He wouldn't have gotten hurt if he was conditioned against Marquette-caliber athletes
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I believe he's ineligible for a medical waiver regardless. You must play less than 30% of your team's regular season games. King played in 10 games, and 10/31=32.3%.
According to the linked article:
"King has averaged 5.2 points and 19.0 minutes in 10 games. Because he played in only 30% of UW's scheduled games (minimum of 32), King is eligible to apply for a medical hardship waiver after the season."
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According to the linked article:
"King has averaged 5.2 points and 19.0 minutes in 10 games. Because he played in only 30% of UW's scheduled games (minimum of 32), King is eligible to apply for a medical hardship waiver after the season."
Yeah but 10/32 = 31.25%
And my recollection is that they count 32 because the count the conference tournament as one game. Or maybe I'm thinking of something else.
Or maybe we just need JB answer this.
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FWIW the jsonline story says he's eligible for a medical redshirt.
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According to the linked article:
"King has averaged 5.2 points and 19.0 minutes in 10 games. Because he played in only 30% of UW's scheduled games (minimum of 32), King is eligible to apply for a medical hardship waiver after the season."
The author isn't the brightest bulb on the block...he prints everything Barry's team dishes up to him. Not sure Math is his strength either.
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FWIW the jsonline story says he's eligible for a medical redshirt.
Others have said that as well. Just curious as to how that can be given the rules as applied over the years.
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Among other requirements, to be eligible for a medical redshirt, King's injury must have occurred when he has not participated in more than 30% of Wisconsin's scheduled games. (NCAA D1 Manual 12.8.4(c)). The conference tournament counts as one game (12.8.4.3.6.1.1.1), so 32 games are considered as scheduled. Any computation of the percent limitation that results in a fractional portion of a game shall be rounded to the next whole number (12.8.4.3.6.2). 32 games x 30% = 9.6 games, which is rounded up to 10 games. As King has only played in 10 games, he has not participated in more than 30% of Wisconsin's games, per the NCAA Manual.
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Among other requirements, to be eligible for a medical redshirt, King's injury must have occurred when he has not participated in more than 30% of Wisconsin's scheduled games. (NCAA D1 Manual 12.8.4(c)). The conference tournament counts as one game (12.8.4.3.6.1.1.1), so 32 games are considered as scheduled. Any computation of the percent limitation that results in a fractional portion of a game shall be rounded to the next whole number (12.8.4.3.6.2). 32 games x 30% = 9.6 games, which is rounded up to 10 games. As King has only played in 10 games, he has not participated in more than 30% of Wisconsin's games, per the NCAA Manual.
Thank you!
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If this is an ACL.....
Early next season will be in jeopardy also.....
Usually 12 - 15 months......And that is pushing it......
PS.....It will be worse if Happ goes "senior grad transfer"......
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Among other requirements, to be eligible for a medical redshirt, King's injury must have occurred when he has not participated in more than 30% of Wisconsin's scheduled games. (NCAA D1 Manual 12.8.4(c)). The conference tournament counts as one game (12.8.4.3.6.1.1.1), so 32 games are considered as scheduled. Any computation of the percent limitation that results in a fractional portion of a game shall be rounded to the next whole number (12.8.4.3.6.2). 32 games x 30% = 9.6 games, which is rounded up to 10 games. As King has only played in 10 games, he has not participated in more than 30% of Wisconsin's games, per the NCAA Manual.
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Wish the young man all the best as he recovers from his injury. Hopefully he returns in good form after the rehab.
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Boo frickin hoo.
Too bad he didn't play Saturday....then he'd be unable to apply for a medical redshirt.
(Note that I too feel bad for the kid. My angle is looking at it in a team perspective.)
Cold.
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I hate the rodents...but I feel bad for the kid, and wish him well in his recovery.
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Don't like seeing players get hurt. And don't like seeing Bucky get a decent-quality player for a fifth year.
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I hate the rodents...but I feel bad for the kid, and wish him well in his recovery.
I agree in wishing the best for Kobe. And by saying that, it would be in his best interest to transfer to MU immediately following final exams. The Greg Gard dumpster fire is about to get very hot. The rodent fan base is not known for its patience or loyalty.
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I agree in wishing the best for Kobe. And by saying that, it would be in his best interest to transfer to MU immediately following final exams. The Greg Gard dumpster fire is about to get very hot. The rodent fan base is not known for its patience or loyalty.
Not really a good move for the guy. He no longer fits a need for MU. I don't see him getting a schollie. Not homerism, MU is pretty loaded at the wing now. Now if he played the point....
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He played in 11 games, the only way it could count as 10 is if the 2 Hall of Fame games only count as 1.
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He played in 11 games, the only way it could count as 10 is if the 2 Hall of Fame games only count as 1.
King? No, he played in 10. UW-M came in 4-6 and he played in every game.
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King? No, he played in 10. UW-M came in 4-6 and he played in every game.
I'm not sure what your UW-M comment means but from the box scores on UW's web site King played in:
N Iowa
SC State
Yale
Xavier
Baylor
UCLA
UWM
VA
Ohio St
Penn State
Temple
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I'm not sure what your UW-M comment means but from the box scores on UW's web site King played in:
N Iowa
SC State
Yale
Xavier
Baylor
UCLA
UWM
VA
Ohio St
Penn State
Temple
N Iowa was an exhibition for disaster relief like ours with UWM. I would assume it doesn’t count against his redshirt total.
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I'm not sure what your UW-M comment means but from the box scores on UW's web site King played in:
N Iowa
SC State
Yale
Xavier
Baylor
UCLA
UWM
VA
Ohio St
Penn State
Temple
UW-Madison. And as noted, Northern Iowa doesn't count.
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N Iowa was an exhibition for disaster relief like ours with UWM. I would assume it doesnt count against his redshirt total.
Thanks, I forgot about that being exhibition
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Bucky is desperate. They were in Libertyville watching Drew Peterson tonight.
He's a really good scorer, but he's an absolute twig and doesn't play defense. A lot of his points come from leaking out early for a fast break.
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Bucky is desperate. They were in Libertyville watching Drew Peterson tonight.
He's a really good scorer, but he's an absolute twig and doesn't play defense. A lot of his points come from leaking out early for a fast break.
Unfortunate name.
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Bucky is desperate. They were in Libertyville watching Drew Peterson tonight.
He's a really good scorer, but he's an absolute twig and doesn't play defense. A lot of his points come from leaking out early for a fast break.
My friend's son plays for nearby Carmel...Evan Myers....he won the IHSA Class3A 3pt contest last yr. Evan's father, Al, is a Wisconsin alum....a great guy who really knows basketball. Watching Carmel at Libertyville last year, our entire row of seats reached a consensus that Drew is above average, but not a high major player. Excellent point re "leaking out early" as Drew hedges on D, knowing the guards at the top of their key can't deal with his height on the break. He gets an outlet pass, runs the court well for a big, and the guards chasing him have no chance to challenge his height at the rim. Last year, calling him a "twig" would've been insulting...to the tree branch! He's added just a little muscle this year, but I don't see Wisconsin in his future. Down year for Illinois high school hoops, and somehow Drew is near the top of the player rankings...almost a la Steve Taylor a few years back.
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For what it is worth, Bullseye Brothers think that he is a legit D1 talent and can play in the the Big10 if it’s the right fit.
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Bucky is desperate. They were in Libertyville watching Drew Peterson tonight.
He's a really good scorer, but he's an absolute twig and doesn't play defense. A lot of his points come from leaking out early for a fast break.
I don't think it's desperation. They are trying to find the best late signee, which is usually full of late-bloomers.
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Wisconsin spends a lot of time recruiting walk-ons. Maybe they should spend more time recruiting scholarship players.
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I think we might be getting a little too cocky here based on last Saturday. Let's not act like the program is going down in flames here.
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I think we might be getting a little too cocky here based on last Saturday. Let's not act like the program is going down in flames here.
Yep, one sharp pin and this Tent folds.
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My friend's son plays for nearby Carmel...Evan Myers....he won the IHSA Class3A 3pt contest last yr. Evan's father, Al, is a Wisconsin alum....a great guy who really knows basketball. Watching Carmel at Libertyville last year, our entire row of seats reached a consensus that Drew is above average, but not a high major player. Excellent point re "leaking out early" as Drew hedges on D, knowing the guards at the top of their key can't deal with his height on the break. He gets an outlet pass, runs the court well for a big, and the guards chasing him have no chance to challenge his height at the rim. Last year, calling him a "twig" would've been insulting...to the tree branch! He's added just a little muscle this year, but I don't see Wisconsin in his future. Down year for Illinois high school hoops, and somehow Drew is near the top of the player rankings...almost a la Steve Taylor a few years back.
Agree it's a down year, but I think Peterson can be a piece in the right program. He's a good shooter and a gym rat. He's got a helicopter parent that has a dream of him playing in the Big10. I think he would volunteer for a red-shirt if they just wanted to get some more weight. Interestingly NW has no interest in him, even though he's in their backyard pretty much. They watched him twice over the summer, and even though he's sort of the late bloomer type they still don't think he's athletic/skilled enough to play in their style. Might be a style thing, but also telling on the trajectories of the two programs.
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I think we might be getting a little too cocky here based on last Saturday. Let's not act like the program is going down in flames here.
Yeah...it's a thin fabric. Some "ungarding" needs to occur with their roster, though. Bo left Gard with some odd pieces, but Gard was a big part of those recruitments. To act like the injuries to players already struggling were the only difference in the blow out is a fan base in denial. They simply don't have the talent for their system, except for two the freshmen and Happ. And, their redshirt program has put them in a bind instead of helping them quickly reload.
I am hard-pressed to see why Happ sticks around one more year. That said, the B1G is really bad this year except for the few at the top. Gard is a very good systems coach.
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Yep, one sharp pin and this Tent folds.
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Hard to believe Herro believed he couldn't get playing time as a freshman there.
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Hard to believe Herro believed he couldn't get playing time as a freshman there.
Yeah, really hard to believe that and then he goes and signs with Kentucky.
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Yeah, really hard to believe that and then he goes and signs with Kentucky.
Was that really the reason he decided not to go to F%ckyville?
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Was that really the reason he decided not to go to F%ckyville?
Who Know? Maybe that poster who was touting us to go after him.
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Wisconsin spends a lot of time recruiting walk-ons. Maybe they should spend more time recruiting scholarship players.
Agree. They think they can coach up average talent to compete.
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Who Know? Maybe that poster who was touting us to go after him.
He said playing time but who knows what the actual reason is. Maybe he foresaw the impending dumpster fire that is the Wisconsin basketball program.
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He said playing time but who knows what the actual reason is. Maybe he foresaw the impending dumpster fire that is the Wisconsin basketball program.
I would guess, that's Right.
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I would guess, that's Right.
Not exactly.
Tyler wanted to play with Joey. He thought Joey was going to join him in Madison. Had that happened, he'd still be there.
The feeling wasn't mutual, which is why Wojo did not pursue him. When Joey chose MU, it was more than MU gaining and UW losing a top recruit. UW lost 2 borderline 5 stars as a direct result of Joey's decision. All the better!
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Was that really the reason he decided not to go to F%ckyville?
Of course not! But that's what Badger fans are telling themselves and anyone who will listen.
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Not exactly.
Tyler wanted to play with Joey. He thought Joey was going to join him in Madison. Had that happened, he'd still be there.
The feeling wasn't mutual, which is why Wojo did not pursue him. When Joey chose MU, it was more than MU gaining and UW losing a top recruit. UW lost 2 borderline 5 stars as a direct result of Joey's decision. All the better!
Was that the only reason though?
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After Joey committed to Marquette despite Tyler and the Wisconsin program somehow thinking he was actually going to go to UW, Tyler was upset that UW had literally no backup plan for the open scholarship they had. Tyler then had a very good USA Basketball camp and thought he could do better than UW, which he obviously did.
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After Joey committed to Marquette despite Tyler and the Wisconsin program somehow thinking he was actually going to go to UW, Tyler was upset that UW had literally no backup plan for the open scholarship they had. Tyler then had a very good USA Basketball camp and thought he could do better than UW, which he obviously did.
True story. He did blow up, but had Joey joined him at UW, he would still be happily committed there.
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I've got Western Kentucky tonight. What will that be, 8 losses in 9 games? With the one win being a 1 point nail-biter vs. Penn State.
Gard better keep his dog in the house, and might want to keep the want ads handy!
Go Hilltoppers!!!
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I think we might be getting a little too cocky here based on last Saturday. Let's not act like the program is going down in flames here.
Is it an act? They likely miss the tourney this year, the coach is trying to DisGard (trademark Nukem) three players, & Happ is grad transfer eligible in a year with only one top-25 uncommitted big & both Duke & Kentucky looking.
Bo turned walk-ons into starters & 3-stars into studs, but Gard hasn't displayed that same magic. Bo's players are mostly gone & the roster looks pretty average. I know they're young, but I could see them missing the next 2-3 tournaments and only then going full rebuild under a new coach. So what's that, likely 5-6 years to relevance again?
Maybe they're better than their record. They've lost some close games vs a tough schedule, but with Trice & King out, this season is all but over & Bucky fans would scoff but I don't believe Marquette will see Happ in a UW@M uniform again. Bo is gone, & with him a lot of the Bucky mystique. Gard isn't as good a game coach, isn't as good working officials, isn't as good at identifying talent, & faces a lot of roster challenges. We'll see how the next 3 months go, but while this may not be the beginning of the end, I do think we're seeing signs of a massive shift in UW@M basketball & not for the good.
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WKU has played well against quality competition. Is the wrong team favored here again (like the MU line)?
Nov 22 @ Villanova Wildcats Lost 58 - 66
Nov 23 @ Purdue Boilermakers Won 77 - 73
Nov 24 @ Southern Methodist Mustangs Won 63 - 61
FWIW: 88% of the early money is on Under 133
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Is it an act? They likely miss the tourney this year, the coach is trying to DisGard (trademark Nukem) three players, & Happ is grad transfer eligible in a year with only one top-25 uncommitted big & both Duke & Kentucky looking.
Bo turned walk-ons into starters & 3-stars into studs, but Gard hasn't displayed that same magic. Bo's players are mostly gone & the roster looks pretty average. I know they're young, but I could see them missing the next 2-3 tournaments and only then going full rebuild under a new coach. So what's that, likely 5-6 years to relevance again?
Maybe they're better than their record. They've lost some close games vs a tough schedule, but with Trice & King out, this season is all but over & Bucky fans would scoff but I don't believe Marquette will see Happ in a UW@M uniform again. Bo is gone, & with him a lot of the Bucky mystique. Gard isn't as good a game coach, isn't as good working officials, isn't as good at identifying talent, & faces a lot of roster challenges. We'll see how the next 3 months go, but while this may not be the beginning of the end, I do think we're seeing signs of a massive shift in UW@M basketball & not for the good.
Gard has been to two sweet 16's in his two years as head coach. I know we're all riding high after the ass whooping on Saturday, but I think it's a little soon to proclaim the death of the UW basketball program and Gard as a guy who can't coach.
They were expected to take a step back this year, and yea they are probably are even worse than anticipated, but they have played a brutal schedule. I don't think the rest of their season tells us much about Gard considering the injuries. How do you think MU would do the rest of the way if Hauser and someone like Cain/Elliot/Anim went down for the year? That is basically the equivalent of UW losing Trice and King.
A lot of your other commentary doesn't make sense. Zak Showalter was a "walk on to starter" and he was a starter the last 2 years, under Gard not Bo. Their team is especially crappy this year because of their current juniors who were Bo's awful recruiting class (which followed their Final Four runs, no less). Maybe he should've spent more time on the recruiting trail than banging his masseuse. Their current Freshmen class was one of their highest ranked recruiting classes ever and was all Gard. Herro backed out for multiple reasons leaving Gard's '18 class unimpressive, and he was already screwed because Bo was dumb enough to ignore Sam so Gard had no shot with Joey. The 2019 class will be huge for Gard and the Badger program. I think we'll have a better picture of UW's future based on that class.
I just think these projections that they are done are extreme. I don't see Happ transferring elsewhere, either. I remember many predicting the demise of Badger hoops in 15-16. Kaminski and Dekker were gone, they lost to Western Illinois, Henry stomped them at the Kohl, Bo retired in shame and no one will replace Bo, etc. etc.. Gard took over and they went on to 2 straight sweet 16s.
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That group of Seniors (Hayes, Koenig, Brown, Showalter) and Happ led the Badgers to two sweet 16s. If you want to give Gard all the credit, that is fine. As for recruiting in '18, Gard went all in on Hauser (huge mistake). Not only did he not get Joey, but it cost him Herro. He had more than enough time to recruit others, and chose not to. You will see 1 or 2 transfers announced before the end of Dec. If they lose tonight that will be 8 out of 9. Which of their two injured players equates to Sam? Losing Trice and King is like us losing Elliott and Cain. Regardless, things are not going well, and help is not on the roster (as it was 2 yrs ago), or on the way. Gard will be gone before this gets turned around.
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True story. He did blow up, but had Joey joined him at UW, he would still be happily committed there.
Yup. Or you could go with the story Badger fans will sell anyone willing to listen and go with, “He took the ACT 4 times and couldn’t get above a 17 and didn’t want to take it a 5th time, so he just decommitted instead and settled for UW.” Absolutely hysterical, and I have no lie heard it from more than one Badger fan. Sad.
I told them that if it was grades/test scores and not core credits then he would not be enrolling at any college because UW’s grade/test score requirement is no different than anyone else, they just require extra core credits, even sharing an article with them stating exactly that, but they weren’t having any of it. The things Badger fans will do to deny reality...
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The thing Bo did incredibly well is to identify kids that were not consensus top 100 recruits but couldbecome better than said top 100 recruits by the time they were 4th or 5th year seniors. Look down the list and most of his top players were not highly regarded coming in, then he sprinkled in some top players.
The problem with this is it then seems like it is less than the intangible gift that it really was. It very well could be that Gard lacks that discerning eye and his new unathletic stiffs are in fact all they are ever going to be. Bo had the very best eyes of identifying kids that were ranked between 100-200 that could become very good players. Kevin oneil was very good at this also. Deane not as good. Crean horrible at it , Buzz mixed at best . Wojo seems pretty solid especially with this Freshman class.
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The thing Bo did incredibly well is to identify kids that were not consensus top 100 recruits but could become better than said top 100 recruits by the time they were 4th or 5th year seniors. Look down the list and most of his top players were not highly regarded coming in, then he sprinkled in some top players.
Bo landed plenty of 4-star, and even some 5-star kids, and they often were his best players.
The trope of Bo mining two-star talents into star players is grossly exaggerated.
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I love watching Wisconsin suck as much as the next bloke, but this is getting ridiculous. I think they're intentionally sabotaging our quality win
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I HATE Davison! Call #1. Total arm hack followed by flop.
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Bo's recruiting classes and rankings via 247:
5stars - 2
4stars - 14
3stars - 23
2stars or less - 4
avg ranking - #183
median ranking - #152
2001
Devin Harris NR on 247
2002
nobody
2003
Brian Butch 5star #10
Kammron Taylor 3star #310
2004
Greg Stiemsma 4star #34
Michael Flowers 3star #173
DeAaron Williams 3star #223
Shariff Chambliss 3star #286
2005
Joe Krabbenhoft 4star #28
Marcus Landry 3star #135
2006
Trevon Hughes 4star #62
Jason Bohannon 4star #63
JP Gavinski 4star #117
2007
Jon Leuer 4star #81
Keaton Nankivil 4star #86
Tim Jarmusz 3star #199
2008
Jared Berggren 4star #85
Jordan Taylor 4star #109
Ian Markolf 3star #161
Robert Wilson 3star #265
Ryan Evans 3star #491
2009
Diamond Taylor 4star #117
Mike Brusewitz 4star #119
Jeremy Glover 2star #664
2010
Evan Anderson 3star #140
Ben Brust 3star #183
Josh Gasser 3star #197
Duje Dukan 3star #198
2011
Jarrod Uthoff 4star #116
George Marshall 3star #169
Traevon Jackson 3star #201
Frank Kaminsky 3star #218
2012
Sam Dekker 5star #12
Zak Showalter 3star #292
2013
Bronson Koenig 4star #110
Nigel Hayes 3star #137
Vitto Brown 3star #227
Riley Dearring 3star #253
Jordan Hill 2star #353
Aaron Moesch NR
2014
Ethan Happ 3star #152
2015
Brevin Pritzl 4star #94
Alex Illikainen 3star #147
Khalil Iverson 3star #319
Charlie Thomas 3star #380
Andy Van Vliet NR
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I HATE Davison!
Just thinking the same thing.
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I HATE Davison!
He will take up the torch of Showalter and Gasser.
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Saw the score on espn and turned it on quick... that was the lamest sh!t I’ve seen in my life
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He will take up the torch of Showalter and Gasser.
He is taking it to a new level. He will become a target.
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Now I REALLY REALLY HATE Davison!!!! But that was actually an awesome call by Gard. Call #2
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Brad Davison is a complete POS flopper. Completely moving on the final play where the refs simply gifted Wisconsin the game with the wrong call.
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Brad Davison is a complete POS flopper. Completely moving on the final play where the refs simply gifted Wisconsin the game with the wrong call.
That wasn't even his worst flop in the last 2 minutes.
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2 Homer calls down the stretch due to Davison flops give Badgers the game
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That wasn't even his worst flop in the last 2 minutes.
No, it wasn't. The flop when he slapped Bearden (uncalled) then fell over was egregious.
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Those tricky Badgers....lolololololol. :D
Oh, how the mighty have fallen!
When a team has to resort to a gimmick play, to beat a mid-major and avoid 8 losses in 9 games, it is simply embarrassing (for them). :-[
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That guy is the frickin worst—and the Kohl Hole refs fall for that sheet.
I was rewinding that lowered shoulder that was a no call to show everyone in the room.
But beardon is so strong that he can throw Davidson 10’, off of both his feet!
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Yeah I'll tell you what that gimmick play will win nothing against anybody of significance - so I'm OK with it. Davison is the worst kind of sports player though, fakest hooper I've ever seen.
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Eh. Whatever. Cheap win but it's good for our RPI and they'll probably win the next 3 too. Then big ten play which probably won't go too well.
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Bo landed plenty of 4-star, and even some 5-star kids, and they often were his best players.
The trope of Bo mining two-star talents into star players is grossly exaggerated.
Youcompketely missed the point, well done.
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Bo's recruiting classes and rankings via 247:
5stars - 2
4stars - 14
3stars - 23
2stars or less - 4
avg ranking - #183
median ranking - #152
2001
Devin Harris NR on 247
2002
nobody
2003
Brian Butch 5star #10
Kammron Taylor 3star #310
2004
Greg Stiemsma 4star #34
Michael Flowers 3star #173
DeAaron Williams 3star #223
Shariff Chambliss 3star #286
2005
Joe Krabbenhoft 4star #28
Marcus Landry 3star #135
2006
Trevon Hughes 4star #62
Jason Bohannon 4star #63
JP Gavinski 4star #117
2007
Jon Leuer 4star #81
Keaton Nankivil 4star #86
Tim Jarmusz 3star #199
2008
Jared Berggren 4star #85
Jordan Taylor 4star #109
Ian Markolf 3star #161
Robert Wilson 3star #265
Ryan Evans 3star #491
2009
Diamond Taylor 4star #117
Mike Brusewitz 4star #119
Jeremy Glover 2star #664
2010
Evan Anderson 3star #140
Ben Brust 3star #183
Josh Gasser 3star #197
Duje Dukan 3star #198
2011
Jarrod Uthoff 4star #116
George Marshall 3star #169
Traevon Jackson 3star #201
Frank Kaminsky 3star #218
2012
Sam Dekker 5star #12
Zak Showalter 3star #292
2013
Bronson Koenig 4star #110
Nigel Hayes 3star #137
Vitto Brown 3star #227
Riley Dearring 3star #253
Jordan Hill 2star #353
Aaron Moesch NR
2014
Ethan Happ 3star #152
2015
Brevin Pritzl 4star #94
Alex Illikainen 3star #147
Khalil Iverson 3star #319
Charlie Thomas 3star #380
Andy Van Vliet NR
Thanks for posting this and helping illustrate my point. The number of players that were in the 100+ or 200+ range that became multiple year starters and tremendous contributors to Wisconsins impressive run is very sizeable. Bo’s ability to discern what player ranked say 150 could turn out to be a high major multi year starter was really a key part of his success. Unless your a blue blood it is incredibly important.
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Quick question to Scoopers:
If Davison were a Warrior flopping all over the place and selling his shyte to the refs, would we still hate him?
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Quick question to Scoopers:
If Davison were a Warrior flopping all over the place and selling his shyte to the refs, would we still hate him?
He's a Badger so the answer doesn't really matter. Flopping or not, he goes to UW-Madison. He sucks.
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Quick question to Scoopers:
If Davison were a Warrior flopping all over the place and selling his shyte to the refs, would we still hate him?
It's not that he flops. It's that he actually often commits the foul but somehow goads the refs into calling it his way. Seriously. The officiating I have seen in the Kohl hole these last two games has been truly awful.
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Good. A reason to continue to hate Wisconsin and not pity them in their death spiral. He flopped, he got the call at home in the Kohl Hole. Nothing new, just a new name.
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It's not that he flops. It's that he actually often commits the foul but somehow goads the refs into calling it his way. Seriously. The officiating I have seen in the Kohl hole these last two games has been truly awful.
But is that Davison's fault or the refs' fault?
I never coach my kids to "cheat." But I do coach them to be aggressive as hell: "Make the refs call the fouls." When rebounding, if one of my players finds herself in a disadvantageous rebounding position, I coach her to "gently steer" the opponent too far under the basket. "But isn't that a foul, coach?" "Only if the refs call it."
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But is that Davison's fault or the refs' fault?
I never coach my kids to "cheat." But I do coach them to be aggressive as hell: "Make the refs call the fouls." When rebounding, if one of my players finds herself in a disadvantageous rebounding position, I coach her to "gently steer" the opponent too far under the basket. "But isn't that a foul, coach?" "Only if the refs call it."
Irrelevant. It's simply a reason I HATE him. (I'm sure he's actually a nice person. This is strictly in a basketball sense.)
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Quick question to Scoopers:
If Davison were a Warrior flopping all over the place and selling his shyte to the refs, would we still hate him?
Somehow, I think the word Heady might appear in our Posts.
But from my bias, I think he plays with a mattress on his back.
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I love you, MU82. Under the new rules in grade school, it is theoretically a foul to move a person while boxing out. You can hold your position, as long as you don't extend your arms or push someone away with hour hips/butt. We coach our team to get a hip/butt into their opponent, bump them and go get the ball. Don't worry about the refs.
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He's a Badger so the answer doesn't really matter. Flopping or not, he goes to UW-Madison. He sucks.
Oh, I totally get this. Just trying to spur conversation.
I wonder how much our opponents hate Rowsey, whom they might view as the offensive version of Davison.
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Quick question to Scoopers:
If Davison were a Warrior flopping all over the place and selling his shyte to the refs, would we still hate him?
No we would love him, just like we would hate Rowsey if he played for Bucky. Though there would be a few who disapprove just like there's a few who disapprove of #thething. Just the nature of sports.
I'm just glad that our short and hateable white guy is better than Bucky's short and hateable white guy!
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Quick question to Scoopers:
If Davison were a Warrior flopping all over the place and selling his shyte to the refs, would we still hate him?
YES! He’s a flopper. Flippers suck.
Not all short white guys are the same.
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Quick question to Scoopers:
If Davison were a Warrior flopping all over the place and selling his shyte to the refs, would we still hate him?
I'll say this...as awesome as The Thing is, it also can irritate me. I think Rowsey looks for it too much and sometimes passes on good looks trying to get his man in the air. I appreciate some gamesmanship, but sometimes I wanna say "just take the effing shot."
So watching a guy who spends more time on the floor than a Ghanaian soccer player with a 1-goal lead in the 4th minute of added time would bug me no matter who he played for, including us.
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As long as Davison remains in the top 2 or 3 players on the Badger roster, they are going to have serious issues in Madison. He is one of those fake hustle guys, who will dive into the third row after a ball that has already hit out of bounds. He has a very average shot and not terribly athletic. Depth chart-wise, he would be behind every guard on the MU roster. The UW faithful can cheer every skinned knee he gets for the next 4 years, I will be cheering wins at MU. The talent gap was wide between the two teams last Saturday, and Davison is a prime example of that.
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UW beats a mid-major at Kohl on a cheap play that Gard saw run successfully at Necedah High School a decade ago.
And it helps our RPI.
I'm cool with it.
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Quick question to Scoopers:
If Davison were a Warrior flopping all over the place and selling his shyte to the refs, would we still hate him?
Not sure there is a comparison between a player using his high level talent to pump fake a defender into a foul on the jump shot and a player who undercuts penetration, kicks his leg out into the defender on a jumper, and is suffering from the after effects of being shot with air bullets three times a game.
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No we would love him, just like we would hate Rowsey if he played for Bucky. Though there would be a few who disapprove just like there's a few who disapprove of #thething. Just the nature of sports.
I'm just glad that our short and hateable white guy is better than Bucky's short and hateable white guy!
I'm not sure I hate him...yet. He isn't obnoxious like Schowalter was or in your face like Rowsey is. He plays hard, does pretty well considering he is a freshman, and gets the refs to fall for his bullsh*t.
Now as time goes on he might wear on me.
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With the amount that Davison flops I can't believe that refs wont get wise to it pretty soon. He may still get a call every once in a while on a flop but if he keeps up the act he will turn into the boy who cried wolf and not get any calls. There is nothing I would like to see more than Davison getting a tech for flopping at some point this year.
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Youcompketely missed the point, well done.
I didn't miss the point. You misstated reality.
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Especially in the college game where you get only five fouls, flopping should earn a technical like in the NBA. With the referee video reviews/grading in conferences games now, players quickly earn a reputation in conference play. The problem is out of conference games where there is a mishmash of officials.
Lately, Rowsey hasn't been getting all his calls, mostly in games with BE officials. Mostly, I don't mind Andrew's pump fake as it helps create space for subsequent plays. There are times when he oversells it where it is not enjoyable.
As for Davison, to be shot out of a cannon four times a game, it is a bs play. Howard having to sit on phantom fouls is not enjoyable basketball. (Btw, there was a point there when Sam was doing the Badger Whine, and it isn't a good look. I noticed he has calmed down lately). The consistency of NCAA officiating is horrible with so many independent operators, which is the crux of the matter. For instance, WSU was handchecking all over the place without a whistle, yet Davison gets these flopping calls. Crapity officiating.
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As for Davison, to be shot out of a cannon four times a game, it is a bs play. Howard having to sit on phantom fouls is not enjoyable basketball. (Btw, there was a point there when Sam was doing the Badger Whine, and it isn't a good look. I noticed he has calmed down lately).
Yup, yup, yup, on both these points. Flying backwards 10 feet on a phantom push off from Markus is bullsh!t, and Sam has, thankfully, toned down the negatively after every call against him.
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Do you remember when Tommy Naismith was overheard in the huddle telling his guys to flop on the inbound?
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Do you remember when Tommy Naismith was overheard in the huddle telling his guys to flop on the inbound?
Poor guys. Viagra didn't exist back then.
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Well played.
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YES! He’s a flopper. Flippers suck.
Flip or flop?
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I hate flopping for 3 reasons.
1. It violates the "spirit of the game." It's purposely deceiving officials. Sure it's "within the game," but I'm sure people would vote it out of existence if they could.
2. It's what a "loser" does to win a game. Could Bucky come up with and execute a full court play, ala Duke or Valpo? Nope. They are reduced to trying to let the officials trying to win it for them. It's like going to a middle school game and the losing parents consistently scream "3 seconds" as if the reason you are losing 50-12 is the best player hanging out near the lane.
3. It's super dangerous. The charge on Markus was outlawed, because of the ACL tears and broken legs were happening from players sliding under an elevated player. Imagine how we would feel today if Markus lands 6 inches to his right on Davison's leg and tears his ACL.
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2. It's like going to a middle school game and the losing parents consistently scream "3 seconds" as if the reason you are losing 50-12 is the best player hanging out near the lane.
OMG, there's this couple that sit in 216 at the BC that repeatedly scream "3 seconds!! 3 seconds!! He's camping out in the lane!!" every time down the floor. In the Purdue game it took every ounce of my self control to not turn around and tell them to shut up already. >:( :-X
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I didn't miss the point. You misstated reality.
Not when u look at the actual list that was then posted.
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Good and/or fun answers on my Davison question, everybody. Nicely done!!
He's a db, which stands both for dumb badger and the other thing!
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I've always wondered how people even notice 3 second call. Of calls for referees to miss, I understand why that one often goes unnoticed.
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I've always wondered how people even notice 3 second call. Of calls for referees to miss, I understand why that one often goes unnoticed.
I think its a point of emphasis call for some officials. Just like palming or carrying. You'll not see it called for multiple games at a time, and then all of a sudden get 3-4 in a given game. Not because the players are more guilty of it, but because a particular official has an affinity for it and watches for it.
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I equate Rowseys pump fake to Rodgers’ getting the team to jump offsides and getting a free play. You are using a rule to your advantage and it’s on the other team to not fall for it. Everyone knows it’s going to happen, but some people still go for it.
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I don't blame Davison for flopping. I blame refs for continuing to fall for it and continuing to f*ck up offensive foul calls.
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Do you remember when Tommy Naismith was overheard in the huddle telling his guys to flop on the inbound?
Speaking of huddle talk, in the MI-TX game the other night Shaka was exhorting his players to "Play basketball with those guys!!" and yes he had to shout it twice.
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OMG, there's this couple that sit in 216 at the BC that repeatedly scream "3 seconds!! 3 seconds!! He's camping out in the lane!!" every time down the floor. In the Purdue game it took every ounce of my self control to not turn around and tell them to shut up already. >:( :-X
<checks tickets> Whew, mine are in 219.
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Was Shaka's voice hoarse?
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Speaking of huddle talk, in the MI-TX game the other night Shaka was exhorting his players to "Play basketball with those guys!!" and yes he had to shout it twice.
In the MU job interview, I heard Wojo and Shaka were equal on the PPT skills...but Wojo edged him on Cuddle Talk.
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Speaking of huddle talk, in the MI-TX game the other night Shaka was exhorting his players to "Play basketball with those guys!!" and yes he had to shout it twice.
Was it apparent whether Shaka's guys didn't know which sport they were supposed to be playing, or who their opponents were supposed to be?
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The thing Bo did incredibly well is to identify kids that were not consensus top 100 recruits but couldbecome better than said top 100 recruits by the time they were 4th or 5th year seniors. Look down the list and most of his top players were not highly regarded coming in, then he sprinkled in some top players.
The problem with this is it then seems like it is less than the intangible gift that it really was. It very well could be that Gard lacks that discerning eye and his new unathletic stiffs are in fact all they are ever going to be. Bo had the very best eyes of identifying kids that were ranked between 100-200 that could become very good players. Kevin oneil was very good at this also. Deane not as good. Crean horrible at it , Buzz mixed at best . Wojo seems pretty solid especially with this Freshman class.
Are any of MU's freshman as good as Davison?
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Are any of MU's freshman as good as Davison?
Our senior in high school that is sitting out his senior season is even better than Davison
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Are any of MU's freshman as good as Davison?
At what? Flopping?
No........not even close. Kid is in a league of his own—you must be proud.
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Our senior in high school that is sitting out his senior season is even better than Davison
Plus I'd be willing to bet a reasonable sum that Markus is younger than Davison (couldn't find his birthday anywhere)
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I hate flopping for 3 reasons.
1. It violates the "spirit of the game." It's purposely deceiving officials. Sure it's "within the game," but I'm sure people would vote it out of existence if they could.
Virtually every athlete (and taxpayer) at a competitive level understands the boundaries of the rules and tries to push them to their own advantage. Frankly, it's part of sports.
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In the MU job interview, I heard Wojo and Shaka were equal on the PPT skills...but Wojo edged him on Cuddle Talk.
Dr Blackheart im not sure where u r getting your information but according to Jim Ganzer, Shaka accepted the position only to renege later after he told his wife and she said no way!!
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Are any of MU's freshman as good as Davison?
Badger troll
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Are any of MU's freshman as good as Davison?
Yes. Three of them to be exact.
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Yes. Three of them to be exact.
Hmmmmm....
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Plus I'd be willing to bet a reasonable sum that Markus is younger than Davison (couldn't find his birthday anywhere)
It's close, but Markus is older...
Howard 3/4/99
Davison 4/22/99
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Hmmmmm....
He's a troll...
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Dr Blackheart im not sure where u r getting your information but according to Jim Ganzer, Shaka accepted the position only to renege later after he told his wife and she said no way!!
I love non-teal.
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Speaking of huddle talk, in the MI-TX game the other night Shaka was exhorting his players to "Play basketball with those guys!!" and yes he had to shout it twice.
Jeesh, I leave the board for a little bit to do other stuff, and Waldo horns in on my Shaka fun!
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He's a troll...
Yeah but he might be right.
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Yeah but he might be right.
Based on the role each player is currently required of their team, he might be right.
However, the original statement was to bait a troll into responding.
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Dr Blackheart im not sure where u r getting your information but according to Jim Ganzer, Shaka accepted the position only to renege later after he told his wife and she said no way!!
Yeah, that's the story Jim likes to tell to lessen the whole #donedeal thing.
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Yeah, that's the story Jim likes to tell to lessen the whole #donedeal thing.
Yes its hysterical!! Classic quit while you are behind.
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problem with refs calling "flopping" borders on knowing the players intent. what standard could one use. yes, some appear to be obvious-whiplash-like jerk back, falling backwards into the 3rd row etc etc, but how could one apply a foul to it? if they could, i'd give one warning, then "T" 'em up and get the ball as well
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Are any of MU's freshman as good as Davison?
Yes. Three of them to be exact.
At least all of our freshman have their teeth.....
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Are any of MU's freshman as good as Davison?
I wouldn't trade any of our three Freshmen for that kid. He's probably already peaked.
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Are any of MU's freshman as good as Davison?
We don't need our freshmen to be as "good" as Davison.
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Heh, even vadger fans are beginning to notice that Davison is a flopper:
GratefulRed
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Today, 07:42 #111
BadgerNCali wrote:
There were at least two plays where their player ran over Davison. Not with the ball. Literally, ran over him. And no call. I guess that works in some sports. But I didn't think that was kosher in basketball.
You know, I noticed this as well. It's *almost* like Davison wanted to get run over. Like always. Love him but hes going to the well too often and the word is getting out.
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Lost to Rutgers last night. Even better, the loss was sealed by a Davison turnover.
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Lost to Rutgers last night. Even better, the loss was sealed by a Davison turnover.
Amazing how that seemed to shut up the Badger fan that was tweeting at me after they started piling up some wins...literally, he started tweeting after they won 3 straight BUY games ;D
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Why doesn't Mayfair post in this thread?
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Or his alter ego, Andy.
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Lost to Rutgers last night. Even better, the loss was sealed by a Davison turnover.
Luckily losses to D2 schools like rutgers doesn't effect their RPI.
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Losing to nebraska has to feel like rock bottom.
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Losing to nebraska has to feel like rock bottom.
You don't really get lower than losing to Rutgers (worse than losing to DePaul), but Nebraska definitely challenges that theory.
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No wonder Mayfair is so cranky.
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Bucky racked up an impressive 59 points on 42% shooting. Happ 1-6 from the line before fouling out. The lack of player development coupled with the recruiting blunders, I can't see Gard surviving for long.
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Keep Gard! Great recruiter of 2 stars.
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Superbar!
/hasn't it been over a month since anyone here should care about UW?
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I, for one, enjoy reveling in their misery. I hope they sink back into 40 years of oblivion.
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I, for one, enjoy reveling in their misery. I hope they sink back into 40 years of oblivion.
+ 1,000,000
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With every loss I can feel it coming closer....
#happtomu
#donedeal
So many heads would explode the state would covered in about 3 inches of Badger brains
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With every loss I can feel it coming closer....
#happtomu
#donedeal
So many heads would explode the state would covered in about 3 inches of Badger brains
Can't see Happ transferring to MU to sit behind Theo, Morrow, Froling, both Hausers, and Bailey. ;D
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I, for one, enjoy reveling in their misery. I hope they sink back into 40 years of oblivion.
These are the quotes we need a like button for.
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More and more bucky fans recognizing Davison flops:
Simba
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Today, 04:14 #46
|mcguda2 wrote:
Sort of the epitome of the season. Nebraska misses a trey, gets rebound and back to guy who missed, who then hits trey. Of course, the guy who gets the rebound and assist does so while sitting on the floor. Jeez. |
To be fair, this 2nd chance fell to the Nebraska guy because Davison was also on the floor because of another useless flop.
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Can't see Happ transferring to MU to sit behind Theo, Morrow, Froling, both Hausers, and Bailey. ;D
I know it would never happen because we have a much bigger need at guard but it would be so worth it just to see the Badger angst.
Benny, can you conjure up one of your fake Myron stories sometime in April to convince a bunch of badgers that Happ is grad transferring to MU?
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I, for one, enjoy reveling in their misery. I hope they sink back into 40 years of oblivion.
Best Scoop post in years
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The Davison flop and win over WKU, may help us if we (WKU and MU) both end up on the bubble...
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I hope they sink back into 46 years of oblivion.
Corrected.
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I don't think Happ would be a good fit offensively.
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Bucky racked up an impressive 59 points on 42% shooting. Happ 1-6 from the line before fouling out. The lack of player development coupled with the recruiting blunders, I can't see Gard surviving for long.
They don't have anyone in their recruiting class. Kobe King might be something but that injury will take more than a year to fully recover from. Their current junior class outside of Happ looks like a complete loss. And this shows what a great player development coach Bo was. Gard can't do this like Bo could.
They aren't going to get rid of him after this year. But next year? They will push for Tony Bennett.
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I don't care, rather relish the afterglow of our win!!
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I don't think Happ would be a good fit offensively.
Agreed. He dribbles too much and can't shoot beyond ten feet.
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Poor Bucky.
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Agreed. He dribbles too much and can't shoot beyond ten feet.
His greatest asset was passing to open shooters, so I think he'd fit well. Saying that, I'd rather have an open scholarship than bring him aboard.
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I don't think Happ would be a good fit offensively.
A big man who can score inside and is an elite passer? I think he would fit in great. Can you imagine the angst of coaches trying to decide if they double team Happ or leave one of Howard, Elliott, Big Hauser, Lil Hauser, Cain, or Bailey open? He's struggling this season because Bucky has no one who can shoot the three.
But again, this is not happening. No way no how. It's just fun to think about.
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If he can move the ball, he would be fine. But right now he is a bit of a ball-stop. Maybe that's just the design of the system he is in.
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If he can move the ball, he would be fine. But right now he is a bit of a ball-stop. Maybe that's just the design of the system he is in.
I think it's because his teammates suck.
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I, for one, enjoy reveling in their misery. I hope they sink back into 40 years of oblivion.
While MU becomes a top Big East team, annual tourney participant, and frequent visitor to the later rounds of the tourney. All while playing an enjoyable to watch brand of basketball. Making our games against Bucky just an annual beatdown, much like UWM. All while their fanbase lashes out helplessly with even more funny and pathetic accusations.
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I, for one, enjoy reveling in their misery. I hope they sink back into 40 years of oblivion.
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Agreed. He dribbles too much and can't shoot beyond ten feet.
He really has no good shooters to pass the ball to.
If Happ was on MU, they immediately become a top 15 team.
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Can't see Happ transferring to MU to sit behind Theo, Morrow, Froling, both Hausers, and Bailey. ;D
Do people actually see Happ leaving Wisconsin
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They don't have anyone in their recruiting class. Kobe King might be something but that injury will take more than a year to fully recover from. Their current junior class outside of Happ looks like a complete loss. And this shows what a great player development coach Bo was. Gard can't do this like Bo could.
They aren't going to get rid of him after this year. But next year? They will push for Tony Bennett.
Tony Bennett isn't leaving UVA for Wisconsin.
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I'd say he's a willing passer, in that he does pass the ball a lot. But he is awful at handing double teams and a turnover machine. I certainly wouldn't call him an "elite passer."
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Do people actually see Happ leaving Wisconsin
Why wouldn't he? They're going to be terrible again next year. Go play somewhere with a more uptempo offense that will feature you in the post?
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Why wouldn't he? They're going to be terrible again next year. Go play somewhere with a more uptempo offense that will feature you in the post?
Seems to loyal. I don't know. He should actually transfer to MU lol
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Tony Bennett isn't leaving UVA for Wisconsin.
Two years ago I would have agreed with you. I'm not so sure now.
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Do people actually see Happ leaving Wisconsin
Maybe, why not. May want to win, has no chance next year at Wisky. Same players, no top recruits. Can earn money somewhere. If he was on MU right now, they
might be undefeated. You could never double him with all the shooters MU has. Always can dream, I can see him exploring all options for next year. Bo really made
a mistake not taking Sam, Sam and Joey with Happ would have been a pretty good frontline, then maybe Herro could have been the 2 guard. Interesting team that
would have been.
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Seems to loyal. I don't know. He should actually transfer to MU lol
Ehhhh. I'd prefer a stud grad transfer guard. Already very crowded front court.
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Maybe, why not. May want to win, has no chance next year at Wisky. Same players, no top recruits. Can earn money somewhere.
Louisville?
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With every loss I can feel it coming closer....
#happtomu
#donedeal
So many heads would explode the state would covered in about 3 inches of Badger brains
Ok not MU but he was a redshirt and he is in his fourth academic year.
Talent like his on a very bad team ... I assume he went to school and can graduate this spring ... I smell grad transfer!
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Do people actually see Happ leaving Wisconsin
I didn't at the beginning of the year but pretty much every game I have been more and more convinced that he will. They are on a downward spiral and he is putting up worse numbers despite being featured more. His teammates are making him worse. I think if he has any prayer of being drafted (a stretch at this point), he needs to go to a winning team and put up the same kind of dominate numbers.
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They aren't going to get rid of him after this year. But next year? They will push for Tony Bennett.
Their fans will push for him, but they won't get him. That ship sailed 17 years ago.
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So, Gard continues another couple of years, fails to recruit well, and the program continues to spiral. First of all, YAY! But then, when they fire him, the job the new coach will have . And he will NOT be a big name coach. He will be a flavor-of-the-month-my-mid-major-with-all-seniors-won-a-tourney-game type. Think Groce at Illinois. The new guy will have to come in and try to recruit to Wisconsin while fighting against the history and culture of Wisconsin. Seriously, the next decade could be like the best sitcom-reality show ever.
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So, Gard continues another couple of years, fails to recruit well, and the program continues to spiral. First of all, YAY! But then, when they fire him, the job the new coach will have . And he will NOT be a big name coach. He will be a flavor-of-the-month-my-mid-major-with-all-seniors-won-a-tourney-game type. Think Groce at Illinois. The new guy will have to come in and try to recruit to Wisconsin while fighting against the history and culture of Wisconsin. Seriously, the next decade could be like the best sitcom-reality show ever.
Maybe Bo secretly hated Gard and thus really wanted him to take his place at that hellhole.
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We need to insist to the powers-that-be at Wisconsin that they need to retain Gard the requisite "5 years to judge"
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Two years ago I would have agreed with you. I'm not so sure now.
Based on what? Are you saying now it's more likely he would leave UVA for Becky specifically or leave for any good opportunity?
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I love the idea of Happ coming to MU, won't happen though. Can you just imagine how many Bucky fan fans would spontaneously combust. So much fun to consider the move but it ultimately will not happen. Why you ask? He couldn't get into MU. Haha Bucky..
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Based on what? Are you saying now it's more likely he would leave UVA for Becky specifically or leave for any good opportunity?
I'm not sure he is committed long term to UVa based on what I have heard. (Which is all I have heard.)
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I'm not sure he is committed long term to UVa based on what I have heard. (Which is all I have heard.)
He'd be wise to let Gard fall on his face the next two seasons and come in and scoop up a low expectations, high loyalty fanbase.
Bennett does very well in building. Not sure he can maintain. Similar to a Crean in that regard.
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Maybe, why not. May want to win, has no chance next year at Wisky. Same players, no top recruits. Can earn money somewhere. If he was on MU right now, they
might be undefeated. You could never double him with all the shooters MU has. Always can dream, I can see him exploring all options for next year. Bo really made
a mistake not taking Sam, Sam and Joey with Happ would have been a pretty good frontline, then maybe Herro could have been the 2 guard. Interesting team that
would have been.
I seriously don't get how people consistently talk about Sam being 100% a badger if Bo recruited him. Sure it made the MU choice much easier for him, but I don't remember the vibe from Sam being "if Wisconsin offers I'm definitely committing."
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He'd be wise to let Gard fall on his face the next two seasons and come in and scoop up a low expectations, high loyalty fanbase.
Bennett does very well in building. Not sure he can maintain. Similar to a Crean in that regard.
Huh? What's the timeframe for someone who has "maintained?" Seems like he's maintained at UVA just fine to me.
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So, Gard continues another couple of years, fails to recruit well, and the program continues to spiral. First of all, YAY! But then, when they fire him, the job the new coach will have . And he will NOT be a big name coach. He will be a flavor-of-the-month-my-mid-major-with-all-seniors-won-a-tourney-game type. Think Groce at Illinois. The new guy will have to come in and try to recruit to Wisconsin while fighting against the history and culture of Wisconsin. Seriously, the next decade could be like the best sitcom-reality show ever.
From your lips to God's ears.
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I'm not sure he is committed long term to UVa based on what I have heard. (Which is all I have heard.)
Bennett to Duke when K retires...
Sounds like a win-win for us. Keeps Bennett away from Madison, and keeps Wojo away from Durham.
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Bennett to Duke when K retires...
Sounds like a win-win for us. Keeps Bennett away from Madison, and keeps Wojo away from Durham.
Bennett is a really good coach, but Duke likely wouldn't want to bring his grind it out style of play to their program when that would be the most appealing job opening in a long time.
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Crean to Mad-town.
That way it's easy to focus our energies.
In fact I like the guy... he knows how to recruit nationally for a mid-western school, has the Big 10 experience, brings instant reputation for achievement, and he seems to have grown up a LOT from when he left us. Bucky could do LOTS worse.
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Crean to Mad-town.
That way it's easy to focus our energies.
In fact I like the guy... he knows how to recruit nationally for a mid-western school, has the Big 10 experience, brings instant reputation for achievement, and he seems to have grown up a LOT from when he left us. Bucky could do LOTS worse.
Bo would need a lot of massages to cope with Crean coaching at UW.
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Crean to Mad-town.
That way it's easy to focus our energies.
In fact I like the guy... he knows how to recruit nationally for a mid-western school, has the Big 10 experience, brings instant reputation for achievement, and he seems to have grown up a LOT from when he left us. Bucky could do LOTS worse.
Crean sucks.
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Crean to Mad-town.
That way it's easy to focus our energies.
In fact I like the guy... he knows how to recruit nationally for a mid-western school, has the Big 10 experience, brings instant reputation for achievement, and he seems to have grown up a LOT from when he left us. Bucky could do LOTS worse.
That would frighten and arouse me.
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That would frighten and arouse me.
Indulging in this Badger schadenfreude I got to thinking about Sam Okey, and found this gem.
http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?53066-Former-Badgers-Hawkeyes-big-man-Sam-Okey-now-hairstylist-with-Absolute-Hair-in-Wausau
Anyone for filling a bus full of people in Marquette gear to Wausau to get haircuts?
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That would frighten and arouse me.
Take an Advil
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Indulging in this Badger schadenfreude I got to thinking about Sam Okey, and found this gem.
http://www.forums.gopherhole.com/boards/showthread.php?53066-Former-Badgers-Hawkeyes-big-man-Sam-Okey-now-hairstylist-with-Absolute-Hair-in-Wausau
Anyone for filling a bus full of people in Marquette gear to Wausau to get haircuts?
That's a few years old. He isn't a stylist any longer.
I'm just glad the guy got his life together.
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That's a few years old. He isn't a stylist any longer.
I'm just glad the guy got his life together.
What's he doing now?
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What's he doing now?
My understanding he's in sales of some sort.
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Huh? What's the timeframe for someone who has "maintained?" Seems like he's maintained at UVA just fine to me.
Timeframe for patience is directly related to the rationality of the fanbase.
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My understanding he's in sales of some sort.
I am actually amazed that the vast majority of former athletes from high-major revenue sports programs aren't in sales of some sort.
I blow off 99% of the sales people that try to get an appointment with me. But if I ever got a call from a person who said, "This is Juan Anderson, and I'd like to talk to you about your photocopying needs", I'd probably meet with him.
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I am actually amazed that the vast majority of former athletes from high-major revenue sports programs aren't in sales of some sort.
I blow off 99% of the sales people that try to get an appointment with me. But if I ever got a call from a person who said, "This is Juan Anderson, and I'd like to talk to you about your photocopying needs", I'd probably meet with him.
I got a call (a referral!!) from a former semi-decent NFL player who was pitching a financial product that was no doubt a complete dud. He must have said his name five times. I did not meet with him. He got real incredulous. He didn't come out and say "do you know who I am?", but he definitely implied it.
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I am actually amazed that the vast majority of former athletes from high-major revenue sports programs aren't in sales of some sort.
I blow off 99% of the sales people that try to get an appointment with me. But if I ever got a call from a person who said, "This is Juan Anderson, and I'd like to talk to you about your photocopying needs", I'd probably meet with him.
One of my old coworkers about 7-8 years ago was from Monroe, LA. Dad played football at LSU, he played baseball at Ole Miss. I was joking about the Bama QB at the time not getting drafted. His response was great...
"Who cares, he's from SEC country. He needs to open a car dealership, doesn't need to know crap about cars, but just toss a picture up with his name and shaking hands with Nicky Saban and he'll be making more than he would be holding a clipboard in no time."
And he has a point. You are a standout player at UGA/Bama/Auburn/etc... set up shop nearby in cars, insurance, brokerage, etc... and you're set. Its remarkable.
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What they are smoking in Buckyville, i.e., actual quotes (and not teal) from their board:
"First, I think we're all missing an opportunity to see Happ evolve as a Ryan Evans' type point guard next season."
"I think they have enough right now and see no reason they can't be a top 10 team next year"
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Purdue 23 Wisconsin 4 at the 10 minute mark of the first half.
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Purdue 23 Wisconsin 4 at the 10 minute mark of the first half.
Can go from Happ grad transferring to Kobe King transferring at getting 4 years of eligibility?
27 to 8 with less than 7 to go in the first half.
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What they are smoking in Buckyville, i.e., actual quotes (and not teal) from their board:
"First, I think we're all missing an opportunity to see Happ evolve as a Ryan Evans' type point guard next season."
"I think they have enough right now and see no reason they can't be a top 10 team next year"
I knew things would be bad this season (like middle of the pack Big 10/ bubble team bad), but I never dreamed they would be this bad, this soon! I felt Gard would be given a pass for this season, and fired after next, but I no longer see Barry waiting until 2019 to act. I hope they keep him around as long as possible. Even when MU had a couple lean years, we had hope. There is nothing in the pipeline to be excited about. HS recruits should run from that dumpster fire.
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Top ten team? They have this entire bunch coming back next year and NO incoming recruits.
I think 94Warrior is right. Gard gets a pass after this year, but if something similar happens next year, he is gone.
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Top ten team? They have this entire bunch coming back next year and NO incoming recruits.
I think 94Warrior is right. Gard gets a pass after this year, but if something similar happens next year, he is gone.
yes but they say if they had their 2 injured players they would have won all these games
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The Rodents are pathetic. Watching Purdue dominate them, shows they only have one Division I player. They just have no talent. Gard better recruit or he is history.
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The Rodents are pathetic. Watching Purdue dominate them, shows they only have one Division I player. They just have no talent. Gard better recruit or he is history.
tbh if I was a uw-madison fan, I'd be concerned about the lack of development and/or trust in some guys that I thought should have been making a bigger mark this year... (including Alex I.)
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Purdue 78 UW 50. 7 turnovers each for Davison and Happ.
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How much longer until this stops being funny?
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We know from trollfair that Purdue will NOT be celebrating drubbing a bottom feeder at home.
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How much longer until this stops being funny?
108 years...
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How much longer until this stops being funny?
Never. Wisconsin could lose every game for the next ten years and I would still enjoy each one.
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How much longer until this stops being funny?
Stop being funny for Bucky fans or MU fans??? As an MU fan, I will enjoy this for as long as possible. The UW Final 4 yrs were hard.
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One of my old coworkers about 7-8 years ago was from Monroe, LA. Dad played football at LSU, he played baseball at Ole Miss. I was joking about the Bama QB at the time not getting drafted. His response was great...
"Who cares, he's from SEC country. He needs to open a car dealership, doesn't need to know crap about cars, but just toss a picture up with his name and shaking hands with Nicky Saban and he'll be making more than he would be holding a clipboard in no time."
And he has a point. You are a standout player at UGA/Bama/Auburn/etc... set up shop nearby in cars, insurance, brokerage, etc... and you're set. Its remarkable.
Heath Schuler was a classic example.
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The UW Final 4 yrs were hard.
Mostly because after catching lightning in a bottle with Kaminsky, UW fans decided they were Duke, Kansas, and Kentucky rolled into one and forever would be.
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Purdue 78 UW 50. 7 turnovers each for Davison and Happ.
When I saw the spread was Purdue -14 at Home, I had a little extra left in bovada, now I have a little more extra 8-)👍👍👍
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Mostly because after catching lightning in a bottle with Kaminsky, UW fans decided they were Duke, Kansas, and Kentucky rolled into one and forever would be.
Bro get outta here with that garbage. Don't you know they don't do rental players?
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Bro get outta here with that garbage. Don't you know they don't do rental players?
Ah, good point. They were the Morally Superior Duke, Kansas, Kentucky rolled into one.
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How much longer until this stops being funny?
Until the sun burns out....
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Ah, good point. They were the Morally Superior Duke, Kansas, Kentucky rolled into one.
Exactly. And, just over 6 months ago UW Fanboys were all convinced they were a Joey Hauser away from another Final 4 run! Then Joey picked MU. Herro said, "No Joey, no Tyler". And, fast forward to today. Wow, that unraveled quickly!
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Exactly. And, just over 6 months ago UW Fanboys were all convinced they were a Joey Hauser away from another Final 4 run! Then Joey picked MU. Herro said, "No Joey, no Tyler". And, fast forward to today. Wow, that unraveled quickly!
Eh ... they had cooled on Joey anyway.
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This is a real viper's nest in here, to be honest I don't think that much about UW outside of our game with them and don't care about their program intrinsically. But I have been entertaining the following:
1. Wisconsin (the state) high school recruiting pool has gotten better in the last 5-10 years
2. Both MU and Wisconsin have been good at the same time for much of the last 15-20 years.
3. Having 2 nationally relevant D1 programs in the state has improved the quality of high school basketball
4. Having UW be good makes recruiting easier for MU
just curious whether other people agree with 1) and have considered 2-4.
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Eh ... they had cooled on Joey anyway.
I heard it was ACT / academics related :P
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This is a real viper's nest in here, to be honest I don't think that much about UW outside of our game with them and don't care about their program intrinsically. But I have been entertaining the following:
1. Wisconsin (the state) high school recruiting pool has gotten better in the last 5-10 years
2. Both MU and Wisconsin have been good at the same time for much of the last 15-20 years.
3. Having 2 nationally relevant D1 programs in the state has improved the quality of high school basketball
4. Having UW be good makes recruiting easier for MU
just curious whether other people agree with 1) and have considered 2-4.
Personally don't agree. I don't think MU and UW being good has much impact on the quality of WI HS basketball. I think the quality of WI HS basketball has just improved with the increased money being spent on it and improvement in aau and scouting services. If anything, I think UW falling off would make it easier for us, give us less competition in state.
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This is a real viper's nest in here, to be honest I don't think that much about UW outside of our game with them and don't care about their program intrinsically. But I have been entertaining the following:
1. Wisconsin (the state) high school recruiting pool has gotten better in the last 5-10 years
2. Both MU and Wisconsin have been good at the same time for much of the last 15-20 years.
3. Having 2 nationally relevant D1 programs in the state has improved the quality of high school basketball
4. Having UW be good makes recruiting easier for MU
just curious whether other people agree with 1) and have considered 2-4.
I don't know enough about Wiscy HS hoops to know if 1 is true. And I'm trying to understand why 4 would be true.
If UW is a dumpster fire and kids want to remain in the state, why wouldn't that benefit MU?
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If the Mich St. spread is anything under 20ish......
Another gift......
Mich St. is going to throttle them.....
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If the Mich St. spread is anything under 20ish......
Another gift......
Mich St. is going to throttle them.....
They certainly should. They also needed OT to beat Rutgers in East Lansing. CBB is weird this year.
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Personally don't agree. I don't think MU and UW being good has much impact on the quality of WI HS basketball. I think the quality of WI HS basketball has just improved with the increased money being spent on it and improvement in aau and scouting services. If anything, I think UW falling off would make it easier for us, give us less competition in state.
Thanks. Do you happen to know why more money is being spent on AAU?
I don't know enough about Wiscy HS hoops to know if 1 is true. And I'm trying to understand why 4 would be true.
If UW is a dumpster fire and kids want to remain in the state, why wouldn't that benefit MU?
In this model, in the immediate short term it would benefit MU, but if UW falls off for an extended period then basketball interest in the state would fall off, eventually leading to fewer top recruits in the state. That makes recruiting harder as we have to spend more resources out of state. Like it or not, UW athletics have a much larger footprint than MU around the state, and if they are good at basketball then people get interested in college basketball.
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In this model, in the immediate short term it would benefit MU, but if UW falls off for an extended period then basketball interest in the state would fall off, eventually leading to fewer top recruits in the state. That makes recruiting harder as we have to spend more resources out of state. Like it or not, UW athletics have a much larger footprint than MU around the state, and if they are good at basketball then people get interested in college basketball.
I completely disagree with this. I don't think UW being good at basketball has any impact on the quality of recruits coming out of Wisconsin. Interest in UW means more kids wear UW sweatshirts to school and UW shorts to their middle school practices, but it doesn't translate to the high level recruits. Those types of kids are extremely driven and will be good regardless of how much interest there is in UW hoops. UW is our main competition for recruits, casual fans and media attention. I don't see any way having UW be good helps MU.
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Pretty sure if MU were to succeed in being the Duke of the Midwest in terms of success we'd have a much bigger athletic footprint at least for basketball players.
It starts next year!
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I completely disagree with this. I don't think UW being good at basketball has any impact on the quality of recruits coming out of Wisconsin. Interest in UW means more kids wear UW sweatshirts to school and UW shorts to their middle school practices, but it doesn't translate to the high level recruits. Those types of kids are extremely driven and will be good regardless of how much interest there is in UW hoops. UW is our main competition for recruits, casual fans and media attention. I don't see any way having UW be good helps MU.
Agree with Litehouse. To try and make a causation between UW’s lack of success resulting in less high school talent in the state of Wisconsin is just ridiculous.
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Agree with Litehouse. To try and make a causation between UW’s lack of success resulting in less high school talent in the state of Wisconsin is just ridiculous.
He might be onto something I mean Illinois has been down for years now and it's really affected the quality of recruits in Illinois ;D
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Except for Hank and Joey, what top Wisconsin 5 star talent has stayed in-state recently? UW is going to have to do some Gardening this offseason and fill in the graduate transfer pipeline to fix this leak in the engine room.
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Except for Hank and Joey, what top Wisconsin 5 star talent has stayed in-state recently? UW is going to have to do some Gardening this offseason and fill in the graduate transfer pipeline to fix this leak in the engine room.
Dekker
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How recently is recently?
Vander, Wes, Diener, Butch, Merritt, Novak, Herro, etc. Plenty of top talent has stayed in state with options to play at other quality programs out of state.
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How recently is recently?
Vander, Wes, Diener, Butch, Merritt, Novak, Herro, etc. Plenty of top talent has stayed in state with options to play at other quality programs out of state.
He said 5 star talent. Of those listed only butch and blue probably qualify and not sure they're recent anymore
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He said 5 star talent. Of those listed only butch and blue probably qualify and not sure they're recent anymore
Ahh missed the five star.
And in reality, I really just wanted to put Herro as an in-state kid who stayed in state, when that obviously isn't the case...
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Like it or not, UW athletics have a much larger footprint than MU around the state, and if they are good at basketball then people get interested in college basketball.
Not to pile on but I couldn't disagree more with your theory here that a better UW makes everyone's lives easier: better recruiting for Marquette (huh?), interest in college basketball as a whole (either you follow it or not, people remain dedicated to their schools), quality of Wisconsin high school basketball (what the unnatural carnal knowledge?). To imply causation between the success of the state's big public school and the quality of said state's high school players is a claim only our POTUS could produce with such confidence.
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I seriously don't get how people consistently talk about Sam being 100% a badger if Bo recruited him. Sure it made the MU choice much easier for him, but I don't remember the vibe from Sam being "if Wisconsin offers I'm definitely committing."
Sam's Mom was a Badger. Her roommate is married to a former UW football player. A lot of underlying Badger love. Obviously Mom and Dad let the boys make their own choices.
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He said 5 star talent. Of those listed only butch and blue probably qualify and not sure they're recent anymore
Exactly. If two very good teams make it "easier", why is the elite talent leaving? MU scored with the brother connection and I missed Dekker, but he committed very early.
Both teams have done okay with four stars, but Bo scored in Illinous, Minnesota, Iowa, and Ohio most recently on underrated guys for the most part.
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Exactly. If two very good teams make it "easier", why is the elite talent leaving? MU scored with the brother connection and I missed Dekker, but he committed very early.
Both teams have done okay with four stars, but Bo scored in Illinous, Minnesota, Iowa, and Ohio most recently on underrated guys for the most part.
I like our under rated boys from Minnesota and Michigan.
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Sam's Mom was a Badger. Her roommate is married to a former UW football player. A lot of underlying Badger love. Obviously Mom and Dad let the boys make their own choices.
Thank God!
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A word of warning: Don't declare the Badgers a dead program until you see absolute, indisputable evidence. I mean, something like a pack of vultures stripping the carcass down to bare bones.
Think back to this point two years ago. The Badgers had lost Kaminsky, Dekker, Jackson, Dukan and Gasser. Bo Ryan, off to a shaky start with losses to Western Illinois, UW-M and Marquette, unexpectedly retires in the wake of a sex scandal. Greg Gard steps in as head coach and proceeds to lose 4 of the next 7 games. UW was 9-9, 1-4 in the Big Ten. Dead program, right?
The Badgers went 11-2 the rest of the regular season and made the Sweet 16.
So far this season, the Badgers are 9-10, 2-4 in the Big Ten. They've lost 3 in a row, including a 28-point drubbing by Purdue. Despite all that, and the loss of Van Vliet, King and Trice, the team is still ranked in the Top 100 according to KenPom.com and has just one loss to a sub-Top 100 team (Rutgers).
I'm not saying UW is a good team. Or that they're going to turn in another remarkable finish. Or that the future of the program looks bright. But after being a fan of MU for more than 25 years, I've learned not to count out the Badgers.
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Exactly. If two very good teams make it "easier", why is the elite talent leaving? MU scored with the brother connection and I missed Dekker, but he committed very early.
Both teams have done okay with four stars, but Bo scored in Illinous, Minnesota, Iowa, and Ohio most recently on underrated guys for the most part.
Show me a state that has a 100% record with its top talent. Of the 5 star guys only Looney and Stone have left. Wisconsin has been turning out a lot more 4 stars but 5 stars it comes down to Butch, (arguably) Vander, Dekker, Looney, Ellenson, Stone. 4/6 ain't too shabby considering neither school is a blue blood
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Some kids WANT to go to other parts of the country.
People forget that sometimes.
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A word of warning: Don't declare the Badgers a dead program until you see absolute, indisputable evidence. I mean, something like a pack of vultures stripping the carcass down to bare bones.
While I agree with your post-- I saw way too many instances of extremely questionable Badger teams inexplicably do well-- I think it is very different without Bo. Why? Talent level.
Bo is undoubtedly partially responsible. The mess he left behind wasn't dissimilar to Buzz's departure. there just isn't much talent there. Bo's now Junior class is absolutely useless beyond Happ. (They didn't lose Van Vliet, BTW, he is glued to the bench due to suckitude.) Their soph's and freshman are, at best, mediocre. For some reason they expect walk-ons to make significant contributions. And they have what, one 2-star coming in next year?
Bo's last years of recruiting were hindered by him have one foot out the door and the other in the massage parlor, and Gard has whiffed terribly so far. Let's hope they give him the full 5 years to decide.
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While I agree with your post-- I saw way too many instances of extremely questionable Badger teams inexplicably do well-- I think it is very different without Bo. Why? Talent level.
Bo is undoubtedly partially responsible. The mess he left behind wasn't dissimilar to Buzz's departure. there just isn't much talent there. Bo's now Junior class is absolutely useless beyond Happ. (They didn't lose Van Vliet, BTW, he is glued to the bench due to suckitude.) Their soph's and freshman are, at best, mediocre. For some reason they expect walk-ons to make significant contributions. And they have what, one 2-star coming in next year?
Bo's last years of recruiting were hindered by him have one foot out the door and the other in the massage parlor, and Gard has whiffed terribly so far. Let's hope they give him the full 5 years to decide.
Bucky's talent isn't great but it's not as bad as you or others make it sound. Their current Freshmen class was one of the highest rated classes they've ever had. Let's not forget 2 of their 3 Freshmen were offered and recruited by Wojo- King and Reuvers. I think it's safe to assume we'd all be singing a different tune about their potential if they were at MU. I really like King's game and Reuvers has skills, Davison is the ultimate flopper but he's also a decent shooter. Trice was also a 40% three point shooter last year as a Freshmen. Again, not loaded but there are some pieces there to work with.
What it all comes down to though, is can Gard develop those pieces and supplement them with more guys? Their 2018 class looks like a bust after Herro leaving, so 2019 will be important. Also, would probably be smart of Gard to try and dip into the grad transfer pool. Not time to write Gard or the UW program's obituary yet.
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Bucky's talent isn't great but it's not as bad as you or others make it sound. Their current Freshmen class was one of the highest rated classes they've ever had. Let's not forget 2 of their 3 Freshmen were offered and recruited by Wojo- King and Reuvers. I think it's safe to assume we'd all be singing a different tune about their potential if they were at MU. I really like King's game and Reuvers has skills, Davison is the ultimate flopper but he's also a decent shooter. Trice was also a 40% three point shooter last year as a Freshmen. Again, not loaded but there are some pieces there to work with.
What it all comes down to though, is can Gard develop those pieces and supplement them with more guys? Their 2018 class looks like a bust after Herro leaving, so 2019 will be important. Also, would probably be smart of Gard to try and dip into the grad transfer pool. Not time to write Gard or the UW program's obituary yet.
Don't you know that Wisconsin doesn't do "Rent-a-player"?
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I completely disagree with this. I don't think UW being good at basketball has any impact on the quality of recruits coming out of Wisconsin. Interest in UW means more kids wear UW sweatshirts to school and UW shorts to their middle school practices, but it doesn't translate to the high level recruits. Those types of kids are extremely driven and will be good regardless of how much interest there is in UW hoops. UW is our main competition for recruits, casual fans and media attention. I don't see any way having UW be good helps MU.
Co-sign
I hope they rot in the B1G basement for decades
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Don't you know that Wisconsin doesn't do "Rent-a-player"?
True! At least Bo didn't.. Gard did reach out to Duane this past year, FWIW.
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Show me a state that has a 100% record with its top talent. Of the 5 star guys only Looney and Stone have left. Wisconsin has been turning out a lot more 4 stars but 5 stars it comes down to Butch, (arguably) Vander, Dekker, Looney, Ellenson, Stone. 4/6 ain't too shabby considering neither school is a blue blood
Tokoto. So, of the five stars Bucky was after recently (the F4 run years when supposedly WI AAU was rising), Bucky missed on J.P., Diamond, Looney, Ellenson and Joey, but scored on Dekker. One of six for the state school who was the finalist in all but Henry. How did this help Bo/Gard? Like Crean, they couldn't even cash in on their Final Four runs.
Btw, with Joey to come to break that mold, not a great track record of Wisconsin five star talent clicking in the NBA. Buzz did better with just the JUCOs.
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True! At least Bo didn't.. Gard did reach out to Duane this past year, FWIW.
Really? Honestly surprising giving Duane had expressed his feelings about Madison a few times and not in a good way.
But I know they were a finalist for Casey Benson, a grad transfer from Oregon. Ended up going to Grand Canyon (his brother is an assistant coach there). So Gard is definitely open to grad transfers.
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Really? Honestly surprising giving Duane had expressed his feelings about Madison a few times and not in a good way.
But I know they were a finalist for Casey Benson, a grad transfer from Oregon. Ended up going to Grand Canyon (his brother is an assistant coach there). So Gard is definitely open to grad transfers.
Yes, really. Never went anywhere as Duane was not interested. I don't know if it was a "F no" from Duane or a "Thanks, but no thanks" but he let them know he wasn't interested.
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Tokoto. So, of the five stars Bucky was after recently (the F4 run years when supposedly WI AAU was rising), Bucky missed on J.P., Diamond, Looney, Ellenson and Joey, but scored on Dekker. One of six for the state school who was the finalist in all but Henry. How did this help Bo/Gard? Like Crean, they couldn't even cash in on their Final Four runs.
Btw, with Joey to come to break that mold, not a great track record of Wisconsin five star talent clicking in the NBA. Buzz did better with just the JUCOs.
To be fair, of all those 5 star guys you list Dekker has probably had the best NBA career to date. JP was just a guy at UNC and hasn't really sniffed the NBA, and UW was better than UNC during his stretch there. Looney fell in the draft and hasn't made much of an impact in the league. In Stone and Henry's one year in college, Bucky went to the sweet 16. Stone fell to the 2nd round and is in the D League. Henry fell out of the lottery and bounces back between the D League and NBA bench. Of all the guys you list, Dekker had the best college career and NBA career, to date. Just saying.
I do think Joey was the biggest miss for them, though. Especially since he's probably that really good for 2+ years type guy, instead of one and done.
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This is a real viper's nest in here, to be honest I don't think that much about UW outside of our game with them and don't care about their program intrinsically. But I have been entertaining the following:
1. Wisconsin (the state) high school recruiting pool has gotten better in the last 5-10 years
2. Both MU and Wisconsin have been good at the same time for much of the last 15-20 years.
3. Having 2 nationally relevant D1 programs in the state has improved the quality of high school basketball
4. Having UW be good makes recruiting easier for MU
just curious whether other people agree with 1) and have considered 2-4.
From an over 50 year perspective I would say yes 1 is true. Although I believe this development is more a function of AAU programs that give players access to better competition . Back in my day few white country kids would come into my neighborhood to improve their games.
I have long thought having our program and Wisconsin program strong at the same time was a plus for us. Kids and parents can be parochial in their views and having two strong programs in a state lessens that thought process.
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From an over 50 year perspective I would say yes 1 is true. Although I believe this development is more a function of AAU programs that give players access to better competition . Back in my day few white country kids would come into my neighborhood to improve their games.
I have long thought having our program and Wisconsin program strong at the same time was a plus for us. Kids and parents can be parochial in their views and having two strong programs in a state lessens that thought process.
I agree with this, and this is why I asked the pseudo serious question about when this ceases to be funny. It's no fun for your rival to be beaten down for a long period of time. That said, this year is good for my soul.
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True! At least Bo didn't.. Gard did reach out to Duane this past year, FWIW.
Bo tried to do the rent-a-player thing at least twice with Stone and Looney, AND FAILED!!!
It was well known that both were one-and-done during their recruitment, but that didn't stop UW.
Only after losing to Duke did Bo move the goalposts and state how superior he was by not playing the rent-a-player game. Clearly, it wasn't for a lack of trying.
Badger fans lapped it up, like they did with all things said by Bo.
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Tokoto. So, of the five stars Bucky was after recently (the F4 run years when supposedly WI AAU was rising), Bucky missed on J.P., Diamond, Looney, Ellenson and Joey, but scored on Dekker. One of six for the state school who was the finalist in all but Henry. How did this help Bo/Gard? Like Crean, they couldn't even cash in on their Final Four runs.
Btw, with Joey to come to break that mold, not a great track record of Wisconsin five star talent clicking in the NBA. Buzz did better with just the JUCOs.
Tokoto was not a five star not close. He was 70th espn, 60 something 247 and 45 rivals. That puts him as much of a five star as Duane Wilson and deonte burton.
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A word of warning: Don't declare the Badgers a dead program until you see absolute, indisputable evidence. I mean, something like a pack of vultures stripping the carcass down to bare bones.
Think back to this point two years ago. The Badgers had lost Kaminsky, Dekker, Jackson, Dukan and Gasser. Bo Ryan, off to a shaky start with losses to Western Illinois, UW-M and Marquette, unexpectedly retires in the wake of a sex scandal. Greg Gard steps in as head coach and proceeds to lose 4 of the next 7 games. UW was 9-9, 1-4 in the Big Ten. Dead program, right?
The Badgers went 11-2 the rest of the regular season and made the Sweet 16.
So far this season, the Badgers are 9-10, 2-4 in the Big Ten. They've lost 3 in a row, including a 28-point drubbing by Purdue. Despite all that, and the loss of Van Vliet, King and Trice, the team is still ranked in the Top 100 according to KenPom.com and has just one loss to a sub-Top 100 team (Rutgers).
I'm not saying UW is a good team. Or that they're going to turn in another remarkable finish. Or that the future of the program looks bright. But after being a fan of MU for more than 25 years, I've learned not to count out the Badgers.
The big difference is that two years ago, most of their losses were close. When they were sitting at 9-9, they only had one 10+ point loss (17 points to #7 Oklahoma) and hung close to #14 Purdue (lost by 6) and #3 Maryland (lost by 3). Decent team that lost good games.
This season, they have four 10+ point losses, including 19 points to unranked MU, 25 to tOSU and 28 to Purdue. Bad team that’s losing laughers.
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Bo tried to do the rent-a-player thing at least twice with Stone and Looney, AND FAILED!!!
It was well known that both were one-and-done during their recruitment, but that didn't stop UW.
Only after losing to Duke did Bo move the goalposts and state how superior he was by not playing the rent-a-player game. Clearly, it wasn't for a lack of trying.
Badger fans lapped it up, like they did with all things said by Bo.
They're talking about one year graduate strangers not one and dones.
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They're talking about one year graduate strangers not one and dones.
Yes, where Bo railed on the Grad Transfers at the same school that celebrates "Alum" Russell Wilson.
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Yes, where Bo railed on the Grad Transfers at the same school that celebrates "Alum" Russell Wilson.
To be fair, most UW fans I know of don't agree with Bo's thoughts on grad transfers.
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Yes, where Bo railed on the Grad Transfers at the same school that celebrates "Alum" Russell Wilson.
Bo was asked about grad transfers a press conference. This was when Russell Wilson was either at or just finished at UW. Bo said, "I don't care what other programs at this university do. I don't take grad transfers."
Now Gard appears to feel differently.
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They're talking about one year graduate strangers not one and dones.
Bo said that after losing to Duke, what grad transfers did Duke have back then? I think Bo meant OaD players
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Tokoto was not a five star not close. He was 70th espn, 60 something 247 and 45 rivals. That puts him as much of a five star as Duane Wilson and deonte burton.
I remember him Top 25 circa 2010 when Roy was in WI every other week. I could be wrong but he did slip certainly over time as he couldn't shoot. Similar to Jamil Wilson.
My questions stand: Is Wisconsin AAU overrated? And how has it helped Bucky recently to become elite?
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Bo was asked about grad transfers a press conference. This was when Russell Wilson was either at or just finished at UW. Bo said, "I don't care what other programs at this university do. I don't take grad transfers."
Now Gard appears to feel differently.
If they do it now, would it be a gard transfer?
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This is a real viper's nest in here, to be honest I don't think that much about UW outside of our game with them and don't care about their program intrinsically. But I have been entertaining the following:
1. Wisconsin (the state) high school recruiting pool has gotten better in the last 5-10 years
2. Both MU and Wisconsin have been good at the same time for much of the last 15-20 years.
3. Having 2 nationally relevant D1 programs in the state has improved the quality of high school basketball
4. Having UW be good makes recruiting easier for MU
just curious whether other people agree with 1) and have considered 2-4.
I agree that the recruiting in Wisconsin has improved in the last 5 to 10 years mostly due to abundance of AAU tournaments. I also see more parents putting their money into shooting 'specialists', strength and conditioning programs, etc.
I don't see how having Wisconsin being better at basketball makes the overall talent pool better. Personally, I am happy to see Bucky floundering for a season. I think it will be different when they get their injured guards back.
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I remember him Top 25 circa 2010 when Roy was in WI every other week. I could be wrong but he did slip certainly over time as he couldn't shoot. Similar to Jamil Wilson.
My questions stand: Is Wisconsin AAU overrated? And how has it helped Bucky recently to become elite?
FYI, this MUScoop post called out when Tokoto dropped from 5-star status according to rivals. Unfortunately, the link to the rivals site no longer works.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=21357.0 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=21357.0)
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I really like King's game and Reuvers has skills, Davison is the ultimate flopper but he's also a decent shooter. Trice was also a 40% three point shooter last year as a Freshmen. Again, not loaded but there are some pieces there to work with.
I haven't seen Kobe King play but understand that he probably has the most potential. But amongst Reuvers, Trice, Davison, Pritzl, Ford, and their seeming multitude of currently red-shirted freshmen, would you classify any of them as significantly better than mediocre? Davison is playing worse and worse as the year goes on, Ford is invisible, Pritzl can't shoot, and Trice wasn't anything to get excited about IMO. Maybe Reuvers has a chance to develop.
Can't say there is a single one I'd open up a roster spot at MU for. I think out talent level across the board is better at every position other than perhaps Happ.
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Yes, where Bo railed on the Grad Transfers at the same school that celebrates "Alum" Russell Wilson.
The deification of Wilson at Madison is hilarious to me. He was in Madison for 4ish months, they didn't even win their division of the B10 outright, were a punter flop away from losing the B10 championship game, and then didn't score in the 4th period to leak away the Rose Bowl. Yet Wilson is front and center on every UW FB marketing item. Madtown is TOTALLY the reason for his NFL success.
All at a school that feels they are the pinnacle of academics and athletics.
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My questions stand: Is Wisconsin AAU overrated? And how has it helped Bucky recently to become elite?
I think Bucky benefitted from a down Big Ten from a recruiting perspective. They got a lot of talent out of Minnesota and Illinois in conjunction with the state schools not being great there.
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I haven't seen Kobe King play but understand that he probably has the most potential. But amongst Reuvers, Trice, Davison, Pritzl, Ford, and their seeming multitude of currently red-shirted freshmen, would you classify any of them as significantly better than mediocre? Davison is playing worse and worse as the year goes on, Ford is invisible, Pritzl can't shoot, and Trice wasn't anything to get excited about IMO. Maybe Reuvers has a chance to develop.
Can't say there is a single one I'd open up a roster spot at MU for. I think out talent level across the board is better at every position other than perhaps Happ.
I'd take Happ, Davison, and Reuvers for sure. Probably King as well but haven't seen enough of him to be sure.
I also think Iverson is being criminally misused at Bucky. I have seen flashes from him that remind me of Deonte Burton. I just think he is shackled by Gard's style of play. He can't shoot a lick though so pass.
Ford is a high major player but seems like a lesser version of the Hausers so pass. Trice seems like the kind of guy who is fine as a 5th scoring option and playing the two guard but not anything more, pass. Van Vliet, Illikanian, Thomas, Pritzl? Hard pass on all of them.
So maybe 3.5 players on Bucky's roster that I would trade for players on the bottom of our roster. Given that, and the players we have coming in vs the players they having coming in next season? It's a good time to be sporting gold instead of red in Wisconsin.
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its ALWAYS a good time to be sporting gold instead of red in Wisconsin.
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I wonder if the Bucky fanbase will lash out with the thinly veiled racism against Marquette and it's players that they used to now that Wojo is coach? Or the mythical academic leniency they liked to cite?
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I'd take Happ, Davison, and Reuvers for sure. Probably King as well but haven't seen enough of him to be sure.
I also think Iverson is being criminally misused at Bucky. I have seen flashes from him that remind me of Deonte Burton. I just think he is shackled by Gard's style of play. He can't shoot a lick though so pass.
Ford is a high major player but seems like a lesser version of the Hausers so pass. Trice seems like the kind of guy who is fine as a 5th scoring option and playing the two guard but not anything more, pass. Van Vliet, Illikanian, Thomas, Pritzl? Hard pass on all of them.
So maybe 3.5 players on Bucky's roster that I would trade for players on the bottom of our roster. Given that, and the players we have coming in vs the players they having coming in next season? It's a good time to be sporting gold instead of red in Wisconsin.
Which "bottom of our roster" players - Cam? Happ - sure. Reuvers - instead of who? - Theo? Davison - instead of our Eliot or Cain? I watched most of that "game" last night against Purdue (schadenfreude) and, except for Happ, I dont understand what you are seeing.
I am genuinely curious.
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I'd take Happ, Davison, and Reuvers for sure. Probably King as well but haven't seen enough of him to be sure.
I also think Iverson is being criminally misused at Bucky. I have seen flashes from him that remind me of Deonte Burton. I just think he is shackled by Gard's style of play. He can't shoot a lick though so pass.
Ford is a high major player but seems like a lesser version of the Hausers so pass. Trice seems like the kind of guy who is fine as a 5th scoring option and playing the two guard but not anything more, pass. Van Vliet, Illikanian, Thomas, Pritzl? Hard pass on all of them.
So maybe 3.5 players on Bucky's roster that I would trade for players on the bottom of our roster. Given that, and the players we have coming in vs the players they having coming in next season? It's a good time to be sporting gold instead of red in Wisconsin.
Their style of play is killing Iverson. He needs to get out of there. But not to MU.
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Which "bottom of our roster" players - Cam? Happ - sure. Reuvers - instead of who? - Theo? Davison - instead of our Eliot or Cain? I watched most of that "game" last night against Purdue (schadenfreude) and, except for Happ, I dont understand what you are seeing.
I am genuinely curious.
Yah I don't trade anyone of our current scholarship players outside of Eke for anyone on Bucky. Obviously Haap is a nice player, but he's a senior next season. The rest of the crew? I'd take every on MU over them. Davison looks like he'll be a decent player, but his flopping would drive me insane.
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I remember him Top 25 circa 2010 when Roy was in WI every other week. I could be wrong but he did slip certainly over time as he couldn't shoot. Similar to Jamil Wilson.
My questions stand: Is Wisconsin AAU overrated? And how has it helped Bucky recently to become elite?
I don't know if I'd say overrated. I mean if you think about it there's 25-30 5 stars every year. That's .6 five stars per state. Considering WI isn't an exceptionally urban state ranking 20th in terms of population then you realize it's actually impressive they've had as many as they have in the last 5-10 years. Even if you blow that up to top 100 I'm sure they're turning out above average numbers in terms of top talent.
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Which "bottom of our roster" players - Cam? Happ - sure. Reuvers - instead of who? - Theo? Davison - instead of our Eliot or Cain? I watched most of that "game" last night against Purdue (schadenfreude) and, except for Happ, I dont understand what you are seeing.
I am genuinely curious.
I'd take Happ for Heldt in a heartbeat. No knock on Heldt, Happ is an All American. I'd have to seriously consider 1 year of Happ for 2 years of Harry as well.
I'd take Davison for Eke but not sure about anyone else. Could be wrong on that trade too, Eke looks the part but am leery of his back injury. We also have an open scholarship in 2018 so I'd take Davison over an open chair. He could develop into a nice role player for us.
I like Reuvers a lot, think he will be a stud sooner than later. I'd take 3 years of him over 1 year of Heldt, 2 years of Harry, 4 years of Eke, and would seriously consider 3 years of Theo...tougher call there. I think Theo is better at what he does but Reuvers has so much more versatility to his game IMHO.
If it sounds like I'm praising rodents, please don't be mistaken. Saying only their top three players are better than any player on our roster is not a compliment.
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I'd take Happ for Heldt in a heartbeat. No knock on Heldt, Happ is an All American. I'd have to seriously consider 1 year of Happ for 2 years of Harry as well.
I'd take Davison for Eke but not sure about anyone else. Could be wrong on that trade too, Eke looks the part but am leery of his back injury. We also have an open scholarship in 2018 so I'd take Davison over an open chair. He could develop into a nice role player for us.
I like Reuvers a lot, think he will be a stud sooner than later. I'd take 3 years of him over 1 year of Heldt, 2 years of Harry, 4 years of Eke, and would seriously consider 3 years of Theo...tougher call there. I think Theo is better at what he does but Reuvers has so much more versatility to his game IMHO.
If it sounds like I'm praising rodents, please don't be mistaken. Saying only their top three players are better than any player on our roster is not a compliment.
No way I take Reavers over Harry, or especially Theo.
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The deification of Wilson at Madison is hilarious to me. He was in Madison for 4ish months, they didn't even win their division of the B10 outright, were a punter flop away from losing the B10 championship game, and then didn't score in the 4th period to leak away the Rose Bowl. Yet Wilson is front and center on every UW FB marketing item. Madtown is TOTALLY the reason for his NFL success.
All at a school that feels they are the pinnacle of academics and athletics.
True... but wouldn’t we do the same if someone like Lockett or Reinhardt turned into the biggest current NBA star from MU?
I get the hypocrisy of UW@Madison in terms of student athletes, but don’t see anything unusual about using Wilson to raise funds.
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I wonder if the Bucky fanbase will lash out with the thinly veiled racism against Marquette and it's players that they used to now that Wojo is coach? Or the mythical academic leniency they liked to cite?
There are still posters on their 247 board that insist, without teal, that Herro's offer was rescinded because his academic work wasn't good enough.
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There are still posters on their 247 board that insist, without teal, that Herro's offer was rescinded because his academic work wasn't good enough.
Harvard of the Midwest 😂
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There are still posters on their 247 board that insist, without teal, that Herro's offer was rescinded because his academic work wasn't good enough.
Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
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Happ is way over rated. After him there are no other D I players on their roster. Let's face the facts. Bo could coach up poor talent. Hard coaches down and isn't a recruiter. The rodents will be bottom dwellers for a few years now.
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Happ is way over rated. After him there are no other D I players on their roster. Let's face the facts. Bo could coach up poor talent. Hard coaches down and isn't a recruiter. The rodents will be bottom dwellers for a few years now.
I strongly agree with this. Bo sold his soul to Satan and did a great job with marginal to borderline talent. When he had good talent the team was exceptional. Apparently Gard can still see his reflection in the mirror and what Bo could make work, he can't.
And I am not a huge Happ fan. Christ, he air balled a free throw last night that was off line and a foot short.
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Pure lunacy to hear talk of his academics not being good enough. I have a few friends in and around the Northwestern program. You never hear that in the program and they have recently really started to recruit. Madison needs to get over itself. What a load of crap. They are not in the ballpark of a Northwestern or Notre Dame in terms of academics. Those are facts.
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A word of warning: Don't declare the Badgers a dead program until you see absolute, indisputable evidence. I mean, something like a pack of vultures stripping the carcass down to bare bones.
Think back to this point two years ago. The Badgers had lost Kaminsky, Dekker, Jackson, Dukan and Gasser. Bo Ryan, off to a shaky start with losses to Western Illinois, UW-M and Marquette, unexpectedly retires in the wake of a sex scandal. Greg Gard steps in as head coach and proceeds to lose 4 of the next 7 games. UW was 9-9, 1-4 in the Big Ten. Dead program, right?
The Badgers went 11-2 the rest of the regular season and made the Sweet 16.
So far this season, the Badgers are 9-10, 2-4 in the Big Ten. They've lost 3 in a row, including a 28-point drubbing by Purdue. Despite all that, and the loss of Van Vliet, King and Trice, the team is still ranked in the Top 100 according to KenPom.com and has just one loss to a sub-Top 100 team (Rutgers).
I'm not saying UW is a good team. Or that they're going to turn in another remarkable finish. Or that the future of the program looks bright. But after being a fan of MU for more than 25 years, I've learned not to count out the Badgers.
They were saying that about MU when Wojo took over. Now look where we are; on an upward trajectory.
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A word of warning: Don't declare the Badgers a dead program until you see absolute, indisputable evidence. I mean, something like a pack of vultures stripping the carcass down to bare bones.
Think back to this point two years ago. The Badgers had lost Kaminsky, Dekker, Jackson, Dukan and Gasser. Bo Ryan, off to a shaky start with losses to Western Illinois, UW-M and Marquette, unexpectedly retires in the wake of a sex scandal. Greg Gard steps in as head coach and proceeds to lose 4 of the next 7 games. UW was 9-9, 1-4 in the Big Ten. Dead program, right?
The Badgers went 11-2 the rest of the regular season and made the Sweet 16.
So far this season, the Badgers are 9-10, 2-4 in the Big Ten. They've lost 3 in a row, including a 28-point drubbing by Purdue. Despite all that, and the loss of Van Vliet, King and Trice, the team is still ranked in the Top 100 according to KenPom.com and has just one loss to a sub-Top 100 team (Rutgers).
I'm not saying UW is a good team. Or that they're going to turn in another remarkable finish. Or that the future of the program looks bright. But after being a fan of MU for more than 25 years, I've learned not to count out the Badgers.
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Happ is way over rated. After him there are no other D I players on their roster. Let's face the facts. Bo could coach up poor talent. Hard coaches down and isn't a recruiter. The rodents will be bottom dwellers for a few years now.
I hate Bucky as much as the next Warrior, but it's pretty silly to claim tha Reuvers, Davison, King, etc aren't D1 players. They may not be stars, but they each could at least be contributors on a good team.
That said, without recruiting a star guard quickly, the Badgers will be bad for a while.
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I hate Bucky as much as the next Warrior, but it's pretty silly to claim tha Reuvers, Davison, King, etc aren't D1 players. They may not be stars, but they each could at least be contributors on a good team.
That said, without recruiting a star guard quickly, the Badgers will be bad for a while.
Bo could recruit too. And got topline talent. For every Frank Kaminsky (Top 300 player) there was a Joe Krabbenhoft (Top 25 player, Rivals). Bo put everyone into his system. His talent was making the Top 25 kid look like a four year top 100 and making the top 300 look like a Top 100.
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I remember him Top 25 circa 2010 when Roy was in WI every other week. I could be wrong but he did slip certainly over time as he couldn't shoot. Similar to Jamil Wilson.
My questions stand: Is Wisconsin AAU overrated? And how has it helped Bucky recently to become elite?
While Jamil was not a great shooter, he was way better than JP.
JP was an exceptional athlete but far from an exceptional basketball player. I saw him play one HS game and was underwhelmed.
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Bo could recruit too. And got topline talent. For every Frank Kaminsky (Top 300 player) there was a Joe Krabbenhoft (Top 25 player, Rivals). Bo put everyone into his system. His talent was making the Top 25 kid look like a four year top 100 and making the top 300 look like a Top 100.
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My questions stand: Is Wisconsin AAU overrated? And how has it helped Bucky recently to become elite?
I don't know exactly what you mean by "overrated," but my (anecdotal) thoughts are that Wisconsin has produced more high level D1 talent than it did a generation ago. Those players have largely went to UW and MU, which has helped the development of both programs.
Does that mean Wisconsin is a hotbed of basketball talent? No. But if you look at the rosters of UW and MU when they have been most successful recently, there are a number of players who were recruited by out of state "powers" and chose to stay here (or transfer back.)
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I don't know exactly what you mean by "overrated," but my (anecdotal) thoughts are that Wisconsin has produced more high level D1 talent than it did a generation ago. Those players have largely went to UW and MU, which has helped the development of both programs.
Does that mean Wisconsin is a hotbed of basketball talent? No. But if you look at the rosters of UW and MU when they have been most successful recently, there are a number of players who were recruited by out of state "powers" and chose to stay here (or transfer back.)
Sorry for the late delay. My comments are not back in time. You and other posters have a far superior history on WI HS hoops.
My comments are directed to the poster's theory that the improving WI AAU scene has helped both programs recently. And, whether those AAU 5 WI Stars (typically one or two and dones) are indicative of an improving AAU scene?
To me from a FIB POV, the answer is no and no.
As to my thoughts, both Al, TC and Bo had their best years when they recruited the Chicago Burbs or Catholic Leaugue, with a sprinkle of WI and other recruiting states where they had connections. Why Buzz and Wojo have chosen not to play in the Chicago Burbs strongly is a miss, IMHO. To the best of my memory, Bo, Teve and Morrow were the only CPS recruits in decades (I am sure there are more but IDR).
WI 5 Stars? Meh
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Sorry for the late delay. My comments are not back in time. You and other posters have a far superior history on WI HS hoops.
My comments are directed to the poster's theory that the improving WI AAU scene has helped both programs recently. And, whether those AAU 5 WI Stars (typically one or two and dones) are indicative of an improving AAU scene?
To me from a FIB POV, the answer is no and no.
As to my thoughts, both Al, TC and Bo had their best years when they recruited the Chicago Burbs or Catholic Leaugue, with a sprinkle of WI and other recruiting states where they had connections. Why Buzz and Wojo have chosen not to play in the Chicago Burbs strongly is a miss, IMHO. To the best of my memory, Bo, Teve and Morrow were the only CPS recruits in decades (I am sure there are more but IDR).
WI 5 Stars? Meh
I think it is worth reviewing what recruiting was prior to AAU. In the old days, the best players all over the county were in the Big City public and Catholic leagues . Every once in a while there would be a some big tall kids from a small town school somewhere ( so in Wisconsin for example there were guys like the Wolfs) or there would be some smaller town or suburban multi sport pure athlete that had showed up with the requisite basketball talent ( guys like Jeff Sewell, aka the Grafton Gun or Jim The Cloud Piercer Dudley) . Everything in the old days was about high school basketball. The rest of the year there was nothing but playground ball . In Michigan in addition to playground ball there was an inside component in the gym above the old Jenison Field House. Good high school players would show up in the 60s and 70s and compete against college and pros . Most of those kids were from the industrial urban centers in the state. A fair amount of recruiting was done by word of mouth by guys who would observe at playgrounds and literally phone in prospects to coaches. The budgets were smaller and coaches literally took players by word of mouth sometimes. Michigan State took a kid named Tanya Webb who was 6-8 245 ( back when that was big) sight unseen just based on a phone call and some press clippings that he could long jump over 20 feet and palm two balls. He turned out to be a dud in basketball but eventually they put him on the football team as an offensive tackle. So recruiting was risky, as many times an entire recruiting class would be lousy. Or a kid who was billed as 6-5 would show up as 6-2 in real life.
Now the advent of AAU has given the white kids from suburbia and the rural areas an ability to play year round against good competition, with structure, which has made them much better. So AAU ball has created an environment in Wisconsin where every year where there are multiple D 1 players developed with real skills to compete . The same dynamic has materialized all over the country. I do not believe Wisconsin has improved on a relative basis. There are still more players elsewhere. I do think it has improved on an absolute basis in that there are more recruit able high major athletes every season in the state of Wisconsin now because of AAU.
I think there are enough good players in the state, so that if either one of MU or Wisconsin could dominate the in state recruiting it would do well. I think that is where Wojo made a very smart move by trying to establish us as the go to school for instate kids. As the amount of quality Wisconsin players is limited and inevitably there are kids that go out of state as well . In other states there are more quality kids available . For example if you go over to Michigan, we had a great recruiting year there last year and picked up 3 of the best players in the state. Michigan got 1 ( and got a kid from Milwaukee) and MSU got 1. MSU has 4 there this year and Michigan 2.
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I still think AAU is one of the worst things to happen to high school basketball.
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I think it is worth reviewing what recruiting was prior to AAU. In the old days, the best players all over the county were in the Big City public and Catholic leagues . Every once in a while there would be a some big tall kids from a small town school somewhere ( so in Wisconsin for example there were guys like the Wolfs) or there would be some smaller town or suburban multi sport pure athlete that had showed up with the requisite basketball talent ( guys like Jeff Sewell, aka the Grafton Gun or Jim The Cloud Piercer Dudley) . Everything in the old days was about high school basketball. The rest of the year there was nothing but playground ball . In Michigan in addition to playground ball there was an inside component in the gym above the old Jenison Field House. Good high school players would show up in the 60s and 70s and compete against college and pros . Most of those kids were from the industrial urban centers in the state. A fair amount of recruiting was done by word of mouth by guys who would observe at playgrounds and literally phone in prospects to coaches. The budgets were smaller and coaches literally took players by word of mouth sometimes. Michigan State took a kid named Tanya Webb who was 6-8 245 ( back when that was big) sight unseen just based on a phone call and some press clippings that he could long jump over 20 feet and palm two balls. He turned out to be a dud in basketball but eventually they put him on the football team as an offensive tackle. So recruiting was risky, as many times an entire recruiting class would be lousy. Or a kid who was billed as 6-5 would show up as 6-2 in real life.
Now the advent of AAU has given the white kids from suburbia and the rural areas an ability to play year round against good competition, with structure, which has made them much better. So AAU ball has created an environment in Wisconsin where every year where there are multiple D 1 players developed with real skills to compete . The same dynamic has materialized all over the country. I do not believe Wisconsin has improved on a relative basis. There are still more players elsewhere. I do think it has improved on an absolute basis in that there are more recruit able high major athletes every season in the state of Wisconsin now because of AAU.
I think there are enough good players in the state, so that if either one of MU or Wisconsin could dominate the in state recruiting it would do well. I think that is where Wojo made a very smart move by trying to establish us as the go to school for instate kids. As the amount of quality Wisconsin players is limited and inevitably there are kids that go out of state as well . In other states there are more quality kids available . For example if you go over to Michigan, we had a great recruiting year there last year and picked up 3 of the best players in the state. Michigan got 1 ( and got a kid from Milwaukee) and MSU got 1. MSU has 4 there this year and Michigan 2.
This is a very good take.
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I still think AAU is one of the worst things to happen to high school basketball.
Probably. But it’s pribably helped develop better basketball players overall. I think a lot of the hand-wringing about how the US develops basketball players is inaccurate.
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I think ‘showcase’ would be more accurate than’develop’.
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The AAU vs High School debate is interesting. AAU definitely has some showcase aspects, but it does allow many more players to get exposure that normally wouldn't. Further, I'm not sure the high school model was ever the best for developing players. While AAU may lack structure, it does allow players to seek out the best coaches to fit their style of play rather than simply learning what the coach in their district likes to do.
Does high school suffer from AAU? Of course, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Our national adherence that ties sports to schools has certainly helped some sports (most notably women's athletics) but others have suffered because of it (our men's soccer development system is a clusterf*ck at best). I think a hybrid of AAU and high school that has the freedom and showcase ability of AAU along with the skill development and team dynamics of high school would probably be the ideal, but I think we're a long way from that and it would take a concerted effort on a lot of fronts, at the very least a heavier injection of money from shoe companies that are really only interested in reaping profits from the upper echelon players rather than actual development across the board.
All that said, this probably isn't the best place to carry this conversation on. Screw Bucky!
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I propose that Badger Hate Week officially extend to the entire season. All in favor?
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I propose that Badger Hate Week officially extend to the entire season. All in favor?
Badger Hate Season?
I like it.
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Badger Hate Season?
I like it.
I hearby declare the Year of Our Lord 2018 to be Badger Hate Year.
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An actual quote from Buckyville DURING their ass beating to Purdue the other night:
"speculation time...what's Bo's record this year...same circumstances, I think they win 2/3 against ucla, Baylor and xav, I think the beat rut and neb and marquett, as ugly as that was---I think at least 5 more w's"
How unnatural carnal knowledgeing delusional can you be to claim all those as wins WHILE getting embarrassed? God they are the absolute worst.
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An actual quote from Buckyville DURING their ass beating to Purdue the other night:
"speculation time...what's Bo's record this year...same circumstances, I think they win 2/3 against ucla, Baylor and xav, I think the beat rut and neb and marquett, as ugly as that was---I think at least 5 more w's"
How unnatural carnal knowledgeing delusional can you be to claim all those as wins WHILE getting embarrassed? God they are the absolute worst.
LOL. Yeah, Bo turns Schlundt ad Moesch, some dude I literally had never heard of who had scored a grand total of 11 points in his first 3 years, into high major players and outcoaches Gard's results by 20 points to get the win. Gosh, if only they didn't have such exhausting academic standards they'd go undefeated every year!
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Will the Badgers make the NIT this year?
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Will the Badgers make the NIT this year?
LOL!! Not with an RPI over 125...
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncb/rpi/
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Will the Badgers make the NIT this year?
Probably need to finish at least 8-4 to sniff the NIT.
It'll be interesting to see what Happ does next year.
Door #1) Return to Wisconsin which looks like a bubble team at best.
Door #2) Grad Transfer to a better team (if he completes enough credits; I don't know what his transcripts look like)
Door #3) Turn pro. Happ doesn't have a jump shot nor is he an athletic defender & rebounder. But that probably doesn't change a year from now. He may never be an NBA player but he could have a heck of an international career. Collecting an extra year of pay is worth considering.
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Door #3) Turn pro. Happ doesn't have a jump shot nor is he an athletic defender & rebounder. But that probably doesn't change a year from now. He may never be an NBA player but he could have a heck of an international career. Collecting an extra year of pay is worth considering.
He was listed at #65 on the list of 100 posted earlier, maybe he will turn pro in Lithuania. ;D
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Probably need to finish at least 8-4 to sniff the NIT.
It'll be interesting to see what Happ does next year.
Door #1) Return to Wisconsin which looks like a bubble team at best.
Door #2) Grad Transfer to a better team (if he completes enough credits; I don't know what his transcripts look like)
Door #3) Turn pro. Happ doesn't have a jump shot nor is he an athletic defender & rebounder. But that probably doesn't change a year from now. He may never be an NBA player but he could have a heck of an international career. Collecting an extra year of pay is worth considering.
He's majoring in Life Science Communication.
I've heard that's an extremely challenging major that only students at the Harvard of the Midwest are capable of completing. It's probably really hard to get enough credits to graduate in 4 years.
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Life Science Communications... is that what you study to become a dog therapist?
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Life Science Communications... is that what you study to become a dog therapist?
It's the re-branded version of Agricultural Journalism, which has been UW's long-time major for athletes.
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He's majoring in Life Science Communication.
I've heard that's an extremely challenging major that only students at the Harvard of the Midwest are capable of completing. It's probably really hard to get enough credits to graduate in 4 years.
At least he declared a major, when Dekker went pro he was still "undecided", but that's just because there are so many majors to choose from at the Harvard of the Midwest.
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A grad transfer can only transfer to a school that offers a course of study that's not available at a player's current school, right? If that's the case, how the hell is Happ gonna find a school that has a program that's easy enough for him to complete but also not already offered by UW-Harvard?
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A grad transfer can only transfer to a school that offers a course of study that's not available at a player's current school, right? If that's the case, how the hell is Happ gonna find a school that has a program that's easy enough for him to complete but also not already offered by UW-Harvard?
Its easy to create a very specific grad program....
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A grad transfer can only transfer to a school that offers a course of study that's not available at a player's current school, right? If that's the case, how the hell is Happ gonna find a school that has a program that's easy enough for him to complete but also not already offered by UW-Harvard?
Masters in Non-Life Science Communication.
Thesis: Discussions with Bo Ryan
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Probably need to finish at least 8-4 to sniff the NIT.
6-5 to even have a mathematical shot after Illinois win last night. Pencil in four losses to Purdue, Michigan State twice and at Maryland. Even if would pull one upset in that group of four, would have to go 5-2 in the rest of them, and that includes 3 road games and home games with Michigan, Nebraska and Minnesota. Penciled in a home win at against Northwestern, which is probably a touch generous. 3-3 much more likely than 4-2 in that group of 6. Some shot, but I'd say about a 1 in 5 shot at best.
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A grad transfer can only transfer to a school that offers a course of study that's not available at a player's current school, right? If that's the case, how the hell is Happ gonna find a school that has a program that's easy enough for him to complete but also not already offered by UW-Harvard?
No. That rule was changed many many years ago.
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I agree with this, and this is why I asked the pseudo serious question about when this ceases to be funny. It's no fun for your rival to be beaten down for a long period of time. That said, this year is good for my soul.
Agreed see DePaul.
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I still think AAU is one of the worst things to happen to high school basketball.
But, one of the best things to happen to college basketball.
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6-5 to even have a mathematical shot after Illinois win last night. Pencil in four losses to Purdue, Michigan State twice and at Maryland. Even if would pull one upset in that group of four, would have to go 5-2 in the rest of them, and that includes 3 road games and home games with Michigan, Nebraska and Minnesota. Penciled in a home win at against Northwestern, which is probably a touch generous. 3-3 much more likely than 4-2 in that group of 6. Some shot, but I'd say about a 1 in 5 shot at best.
Was bored and actually ran the numbers. They are currently projected to finish 13-18 with wins at home against Nebraska, Northwestern, and Minnesota (how far those last two have fallen!). To even be eligible they have to finish 6-5 (barring a run in the B1G tournament). Those three extra wins would likely have to come @Iowa, @Illinois, and home vs. Michigan. That would give them an RPI of 95 and SOS of 46. You are not making the NIT with that. Throw in a win @Northwestern and you get to 80 RPI and 46 SOS. Possible NIT but still wouldn't be confident. It would take one more win which would probably have to be at Maryland which would give an RPI of 70 and SOS of 46 to feel confident about the NIT.
So basically, Wisconsin has to go 8-0 against all teams not named Purdue and Michigan State to feel confident about their NIT chances. 7-1 to have a chance. Maybe they can try for the Vegas 16?
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Was bored and actually ran the numbers. They are currently projected to finish 13-18 with wins at home against Nebraska, Northwestern, and Minnesota (how far those last two have fallen!). To even be eligible they have to finish 6-5 (barring a run in the B1G tournament). Those three extra wins would likely have to come @Iowa, @Illinois, and home vs. Michigan. That would give them an RPI of 95 and SOS of 46. You are not making the NIT with that. Throw in a win @Northwestern and you get to 80 RPI and 46 SOS. Possible NIT but still wouldn't be confident. It would take one more win which would probably have to be at Maryland which would give an RPI of 70 and SOS of 46 to feel confident about the NIT.
So basically, Wisconsin has to go 8-0 against all teams not named Purdue and Michigan State to feel confident about their NIT chances. 7-1 to have a chance. Maybe they can try for the Vegas 16?
I think if they get to 17 wins, they get to the NIT. If they go 18-13 (11-7) while also winning 9 of their last 12 with the three losses coming to teams on the top two seed lines they just might get into the NCAA. Probably as one of the First Four, but look at the rest of the resume. The only Quadrant 3 loss is Rutgers, which was on the road. Here's how they break down under that scenario by quadrant:
Quadrant 1: 1-8
Quadrant 2: 4-4
Quadrant 3: 7-1
Quadrant 4: 6-0
The Rutgers loss looks bad, but the Maryland win would probably offset that. Held their own against Quadrant 2. In a weak bubble year (and face it, every year recently is a weak bubble year) and with more than half of their losses coming in Q1/Q2 games before the calendar turned to January, they'd have a case for the First Four.
If Wisconsin gets to 16 wins, that may be enough for the NIT. 17 would guarantee a NIT spot. 18 would have them getting serious NCAA consideration.
Another consideration is the Big 10 Tournament being played a week early. I've long felt that conference tournaments have little bearing on the Selection Committee because there are too many moving parts in those final days to really accurately assess them. That may not be the case with the B10 Tourney which will be decided before the Selection Committee sits down to discuss and start voting.
If they won a game or two at MSG, especially considering a 4/5 seed possibility (if we assume 11-7) would possibly give them a shot to make amends on the Rutgers loss and get a shot at a neutral court Quadrant 1 game with Michigan, I think Bucky would be back in the Dance.
At that point, I'd expect another stupidly improbable Sweet Sixteen run when they end up in a bracket with a wildly inconsistent 11-seed play-in game against Syracuse, an inept defensive 6-seed like Arizona State, and an inexperienced tournament 3-seed like Clemson (or more likely, a 14-seed that spent all their energy upsetting a 3-seed like Clemson).
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At that point, I'd expect another stupidly improbable Sweet Sixteen run when they end up in a bracket with a wildly inconsistent 11-seed play-in game against Syracuse, an inept defensive 6-seed like Arizona State, and an inexperienced tournament 3-seed like Clemson (or more likely, a 14-seed that spent all their energy upsetting a 3-seed like Clemson).
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Scary because it is so plausible. It is similar to Brady being down late in a game and still knowing that he will win.
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You guys are putting wayyyyyyyyy too much thought into this. Who cares?
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I think if they get to 17 wins, they get to the NIT. If they go 18-13 (11-7) while also winning 9 of their last 12 with the three losses coming to teams on the top two seed lines they just might get into the NCAA. Probably as one of the First Four, but look at the rest of the resume. The only Quadrant 3 loss is Rutgers, which was on the road. Here's how they break down under that scenario by quadrant:
Quadrant 1: 1-8
Quadrant 2: 4-4
Quadrant 3: 7-1
Quadrant 4: 6-0
11-7 in what is considered a very bad B10 this year does not get them in. My guess is that at 18-13, their RPI would still likely be above 70. And the 18-13 record is exceedingly unlikely, and would require two wins against @ Michigan St, @ Maryland, Michigan St., Michigan, and Purdue. They'll be lucky to win 1 of them, and even then expect them to lose one or more additional games.
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You guys are putting wayyyyyyyyy too much thought into this. Who cares?
This.
Buck F%cky!
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11-7 in what is considered a very bad B10 this year does not get them in. My guess is that at 18-13, their RPI would still likely be above 70. And the 18-13 record is exceedingly unlikely, and would require two wins against @ Michigan St, @ Maryland, Michigan St., Michigan, and Purdue. They'll be lucky to win 1 of them, and even then expect them to lose one or more additional games.
RPI Forecast predicts 18-13 would give the Badgers an RPI of 70. A run in the B1G tournament could get them in but I agree that 18-13 looks unlikely.
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I think if they get to 17 wins, they get to the NIT. If they go 18-13 (11-7) while also winning 9 of their last 12 with the three losses coming to teams on the top two seed lines they just might get into the NCAA. Probably as one of the First Four, but look at the rest of the resume. The only Quadrant 3 loss is Rutgers, which was on the road. Here's how they break down under that scenario by quadrant:
Quadrant 1: 1-8
Quadrant 2: 4-4
Quadrant 3: 7-1
Quadrant 4: 6-0
The Rutgers loss looks bad, but the Maryland win would probably offset that. Held their own against Quadrant 2. In a weak bubble year (and face it, every year recently is a weak bubble year) and with more than half of their losses coming in Q1/Q2 games before the calendar turned to January, they'd have a case for the First Four.
If Wisconsin gets to 16 wins, that may be enough for the NIT. 17 would guarantee a NIT spot. 18 would have them getting serious NCAA consideration.
Another consideration is the Big 10 Tournament being played a week early. I've long felt that conference tournaments have little bearing on the Selection Committee because there are too many moving parts in those final days to really accurately assess them. That may not be the case with the B10 Tourney which will be decided before the Selection Committee sits down to discuss and start voting.
If they won a game or two at MSG, especially considering a 4/5 seed possibility (if we assume 11-7) would possibly give them a shot to make amends on the Rutgers loss and get a shot at a neutral court Quadrant 1 game with Michigan, I think Bucky would be back in the Dance.
At that point, I'd expect another stupidly improbable Sweet Sixteen run when they end up in a bracket with a wildly inconsistent 11-seed play-in game against Syracuse, an inept defensive 6-seed like Arizona State, and an inexperienced tournament 3-seed like Clemson (or more likely, a 14-seed that spent all their energy upsetting a 3-seed like Clemson).
All reasonable points except for the bolded. 16 wins means they are left out of the NIT. No way no how they get in. Now if they get 16 regular season wins and make noise in the B1G tourney, that's different. But no way a 16-16 Badger squad gets in the NIT, they would have a triple digit RPI. 17 wins is also far from a guarentee. It gives them a shot but I think we forget how hard to make the NIT is. It such a narrow window that a lot of teams are competing for. Unless mid-major regular season champions have a near perfect year in their conference tournaments, I would be nervous at 17-15.
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11-7 in what is considered a very bad B10 this year does not get them in. My guess is that at 18-13, their RPI would still likely be above 70. And the 18-13 record is exceedingly unlikely, and would require two wins against @ Michigan St, @ Maryland, Michigan St., Michigan, and Purdue. They'll be lucky to win 1 of them, and even then expect them to lose one or more additional games.
I definitely think it's unlikely. I think it's more likely they end up winning 15 or 16 games and hoping on a NIT berth. But if Wisconsin gets to 11-7, I think they get in. I don't think that's the case for other Big 10 teams like Nebraska or Indiana, but I think the Big 10 looks like a 4.5 bid league this year. If that team in 5th place is Maryland, Wisconsin, Northwestern, or Minnesota, they have a shot at getting in. If it's Indiana, Nebraska, or Penn State, they don't.
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Wait, people are talking about what it would take for UW to get into the NCAA Tournament? Has nobody watched them?
Can they add Frank Kaminski, Bronson Koenig, and Sam Dekker today? If not, they have a 0.00% chance to make the NCAA Tournament. They are an awful college basketball team.
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Wait, people are talking about what it would take for UW to get into the NCAA Tournament? Has nobody watched them?
They probably won't, but we were thinking the same thing in mid-January 2016 when they were 9-9 (1-4). Then they went 11-3 down the stretch before knocking off Xavier to reach the Sweet 16.
It's unlikely, but the Big 10 is awful this year. Purdue and Michigan State are the only two really good teams left on their schedule. I've watched this movie too many times not to know that the seemingly dead Badger has a tendency to get up off the pavement and come back to murder someone from the Big East in March (Xavier in 2016, Villanova in 2017). The Badgers winning out other than Purdue and MSU is certainly possible in that league. Until they get to 15 losses and are eliminated from the B10 Tournament, I won't fully rule them out as dead.
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Wait, people are talking about what it would take for UW to get into the NCAA Tournament? Has nobody watched them?
Can they add Frank Kaminski, Bronson Koenig, and Sam Dekker today? If not, they have a 0.00% chance to make the NCAA Tournament. They are an awful college basketball team.
Unfortunately the B1G is really bad. With the right draw and upsets, Wisconsin could get the B1G auto-bid. There season could just as easily end Feb 28.
Since I live in Madison and have several friends that are Badger fans, I admit that I give the Badgers more thought than I probably should.
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Was thinking this thread was crazy, especially after reading about the quadrants.
Wanted to say give it a break but JJJJJ said it well.
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Agree with MU82
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You guys are putting wayyyyyyyyy too much thought into this. Who cares?
+1
And ND sucks.
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I definitely think it's unlikely. I think it's more likely they end up winning 15 or 16 games and hoping on a NIT berth. But if Wisconsin gets to 11-7, I think they get in. I don't think that's the case for other Big 10 teams like Nebraska or Indiana, but I think the Big 10 looks like a 4.5 bid league this year. If that team in 5th place is Maryland, Wisconsin, Northwestern, or Minnesota, they have a shot at getting in. If it's Indiana, Nebraska, or Penn State, they don't.
I think Nebraska would have a shot at one of the last few bids if they get to 11-7. Haven't run the numbers to back that up, but they're a pretty solid team and they don't have any bad losses. I don't believe a 10 win B10 team has ever missed the dance. That very well may change this year, but I think 11-7 gets Nebraska and Maryland in.
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I think Nebraska would have a shot at one of the last few bids if they get to 11-7. Haven't run the numbers to back that up, but they're a pretty solid team and they don't have any bad losses. I don't believe a 10 win B10 team has ever missed the dance. That very well may change this year, but I think 11-7 gets Nebraska and Maryland in.
Losses @ St. Johns, and vs. UCF may not be bad right now RPI wise, but they will be bad losses at the end of the year. The loss @ Penn. St. is also bad. They also do not have particularly strong wins or strength of schedule (non-conference SOS of 241). Nebraska isn't getting in with an 11-7 conference record.
11-7 gets Maryland and Michigan in. Not sure any other of the remaining B10 teams get in with that. Too weak of a conference this year, and marquee out of conference wins are just not there.
B10 invites seem almost certain to go to: Purdue, Mich. St., Mich., Ohio State, and Maryland. Don't think anyone else really has much of a shot. The conference is too weak.
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Losses @ St. Johns, and vs. UCF may not be bad right now RPI wise, but they will be bad losses at the end of the year. The loss @ Penn. St. is also bad. They also do not have particularly strong wins or strength of schedule (non-conference SOS of 241). Nebraska isn't getting in with an 11-7 conference record.
11-7 gets Maryland and Michigan in. Not sure any other of the remaining B10 teams get in with that. Too weak of a conference this year, and marquee out of conference wins are just not there.
B10 invites seem almost certain to go to: Purdue, Mich. St., Mich., Ohio State, and Maryland. Don't think anyone else really has much of a shot. The conference is too weak.
Ehhh. Losing to SJU with Lovett isn't a bad loss. UCF is a fine team, and losing on the road to a decent PSU team isn't a death kneel. The Gophers tanking certainly doesn't help their best win, but also beating Michigan was a decent W. Their issues is other than those 2 wins, the resume is weak. Nebraska got pretty soft mirror games, so it may take them 12 B10 Ws as 11-7 would include 4 more loses against (best case) @OSU, @MN, @WISC and vs Maryland. Other than those 4 games, the remainder of their B10 schedule is soft as Charmin.
I guess I will just have to see it believe it with the committee not respecting an 11-7 B10 team. I don't necessarily think they'll deserve to get in with that resume, but I wouldn't be totally shocked either way.
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At the moment, finishing 11-7 in conference would net Nebraska an RPI of 71 and a SOS of 98. That ain't getting you into the tournament. Maybe if they make some noise in the B1G tourney. NOTE: Despite this simulation making them go 7-4 in their remaining games, they actually lose 7 points in RPI and only gain 5 points in SOS. That's right. Winning in the B1G actually makes their RPI worse and only improves their SOS by 5 points.
Fun fact that I learned while looking this up. The B1G currently only has 2 teams in the top 30 for RPI (Purdue and Ohio State). Only 2 more in the top 40 (Michigan and Michigan State). Only 1 more in the top 60 (Maryland). And only 2 more in the top 100 (Minnesota and Nebraska). Half their teams currently fall outside the top 100. Hard to make up ground in conference season when there aren't many good teams to play.
#midmajor ;D
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At the moment, finishing 11-7 in conference would net Nebraska an RPI of 71 and a SOS of 98. That ain't getting you into the tournament. Maybe if they make some noise in the B1G tourney. NOTE: Despite this simulation making them go 7-4 in their remaining games, they actually lose 7 points in RPI and only gain 5 points in SOS. That's right. Winning in the B1G actually makes their RPI worse and only improves their SOS by 5 points.
Fun fact that I learned while looking this up. The B1G currently only has 2 teams in the top 30 for RPI (Purdue and Ohio State). Only 2 more in the top 40 (Michigan and Michigan State). Only 1 more in the top 60 (Maryland). And only 2 more in the top 100 (Minnesota and Nebraska). Half their teams currently fall outside the top 100. Hard to make up ground in conference season when there aren't many good teams to play.
#midmajor ;D
I think there is a legitimate arrangement that the B10 is the 7th best conference this season after:
1) B12
2) Big East
3) ACC
4) SEC
5) P12 (I think I could argue AAC 5th, but man the bottom of that conference is dreadful)
6) AAC
7) B10
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Nebraska sucks.
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I think Nebraska would have a shot at one of the last few bids if they get to 11-7. Haven't run the numbers to back that up, but they're a pretty solid team and they don't have any bad losses. I don't believe a 10 win B10 team has ever missed the dance. That very well may change this year, but I think 11-7 gets Nebraska and Maryland in.
I ran the numbers the other day. I think Nebraska is out at 11-7, on the bubble at 12-6, and in at 13-5. The Big 10 being so bad won't do their teams any favors.
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One thing is clear. We, as a fanbase, totally lose our minds with 9 days off!
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One thing is clear. We, as a fanbase, totally lose our minds with 9 days minutes off!
FIFY
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One thing is clear. We, as a fanbase, totally lose our minds with 9 days off!
This is brutal. Wojo/Marquette Athletic Department - if you're out there reading this, never do it again!
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This is brutal. Wojo/Marquette Athletic Department - if you're out there reading this, never do it again!
Schedule another game against Stetson?
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One thing is clear. We, as a fanbase, totally lose our minds with 9 days off!
Not a Scoop membership prerequisite?
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Schedule another game against Stetson?
Maybe not this season, because we only have 9 scholarship players and everybody plays, but I think moving a cupcake game from November to this portion of the schedule if possible is a good idea in general. Get some minutes for the end of the bench guys and keep the team somewhat game sharp, as well as give yourself a chance to test out a few wrinkles you may want to add.
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We're going to have a week off in February as well, Scoop my burn.
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We're going to have a week off in February as well, Scoop my burn.
Scoop your own burns.
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Scoop your own burns.
I pay for the premium membership around here SPECIFICALLY so I don't have to Scoop my own burns.
*Edit, thought about changing the original post, but I'm just going to own my idiocy.
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I pay for the premium membership around here SPECIFICALLY so I don't have to Scoop my own burns.
*Edit, thought about changing the original post, but I'm just going to own my idiocy.
This exchange made me laugh harder than it should have
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Fun fact that I learned while looking this up. The B1G currently only has 2 teams in the top 30 for RPI (Purdue and Ohio State). Only 2 more in the top 40 (Michigan and Michigan State). Only 1 more in the top 60 (Maryland). And only 2 more in the top 100 (Minnesota and Nebraska). Half their teams currently fall outside the top 100. Hard to make up ground in conference season when there aren't many good teams to play.
#midmajor ;D
Maryland lost at Indiana last night. Sounds reasonable right? A Big 10 team lost to another Big 10 team on the road. The win bumped Indiana into the top 100 for RPI but is still a bad loss for Maryland whose resume is starting to look a little shaky.
They have one win against the top 50, Butler at home in one of the first games of the season. They only have one other win against anyone in the top 125, Minnesota, who is looking worse and worse by the day. No truly awful losses, @Indiana and neutral court vs St. Bonaventure are the worst of the bunch. But looking ahead, they only play four more teams current ranked in the top 100 for RPI (Michigan State, @Purdue, @Nebraksa, Michigan) and face 6 teams ranked outside the top 100. If they get swept by the top 100 teams or even go 1-3, is the committee really impressed with a team that only has 1 top 50 win, 2 or 3 (assuming Minnesota doesn't fallout) top 100 wins and a bunch of wins over sub 100 opponents? What if they drop a road game to Northwestern or Penn State? Big Ten is garbage this year.
#midmajor
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Maryland lost at Indiana last night. Sounds reasonable right? A Big 10 team lost to another Big 10 team on the road. The win bumped Indiana into the top 100 for RPI but is still a bad loss for Maryland whose resume is starting to look a little shaky.
They have one win against the top 50, Butler at home in one of the first games of the season. They only have one other win against anyone in the top 125, Minnesota, who is looking worse and worse by the day. No truly awful losses, @Indiana and neutral court vs St. Bonaventure are the worst of the bunch. But looking ahead, they only play four more teams current ranked in the top 100 for RPI (Michigan State, @Purdue, @Nebraksa, Michigan) and face 6 teams ranked outside the top 100. If they get swept by the top 100 teams or even go 1-3, is the committee really impressed with a team that only has 1 top 50 win, 2 or 3 (assuming Minnesota doesn't fallout) top 100 wins and a bunch of wins over sub 100 opponents? What if they drop a road game to Northwestern or Penn State? Big Ten is garbage this year.
#midmajor
Tough comparison with Maryland. They lost two of their best players in Jackson and Bender and will not be any type of force in Big Ten this year.
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Mayfairskatingrink would be proud of all the thought you're all putting into madison extension basketball.
Shouldn't everyone's Mindset be:
screw Bucky year round... when we play them: Fug Bucky.
Then back to screw Bucky.
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Mayfairskatingrink would be proud of all the thought you're all putting into madison extension basketball.
Shouldn't everyone's Mindset be:
screw Bucky year round... when we play them: Fug Bucky.
Then back to screw Bucky.
While Marquette is my favorite team, I am a college basketball nerd. I enjoy pulling numbers and researching other teams, and learning more about the game and the analytics we use to analyze it. So posting about Madison and Marylands tournament resumes and how craptastic the Big ten is isn't "effort" for me. It's fun.
Besides, most of my posting happens either on the bus as I'm going from meeting to meeting or when I'm on the sh#tter. It's either this or candy crush
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Mayfairskatingrink would be proud of all the thought you're all putting into madison extension basketball.
Shouldn't everyone's Mindset be:
screw Bucky year round... when we play them: Fug Bucky.
Then back to screw Bucky.
Wait, what? My mindset is always "fug bucky," doesn't matter if we're playing them or not. Plus, this 9 day stretch off is agonizing. I've already exhausted the hell out of all podcasts I listen to (scrambled eggs, big east coast, real chilly - if anyone has any other good ones I'd love to hear your recommendations). One can only research Marquette so much before running the numbers on other teams. Know your enemy...
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Tamu and cheeseball.
Good points. Very fair. I suppose this is a long break. And exhausting to have nothing to do other than read this and listen to pods.
(Which the pods have been outstanding by the way)
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While Marquette is my favorite team, I am a college basketball nerd. I enjoy pulling numbers and researching other teams, and learning more about the game and the analytics we use to analyze it. So posting about Madison and Marylands tournament resumes and how craptastic the Big ten is isn't "effort" for me. It's fun.
This for me too. Especially since I am friends with Badger fans, I am at least aware of what they're team is doing. Besides, this year we can revel in their misery. :)
(The rest of TAMU's post was TMI. Did not need to know you take the bus.)
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Maryland lost at Indiana last night. Sounds reasonable right? A Big 10 team lost to another Big 10 team on the road. The win bumped Indiana into the top 100 for RPI but is still a bad loss for Maryland whose resume is starting to look a little shaky.
They have one win against the top 50, Butler at home in one of the first games of the season. They only have one other win against anyone in the top 125, Minnesota, who is looking worse and worse by the day. No truly awful losses, @Indiana and neutral court vs St. Bonaventure are the worst of the bunch. But looking ahead, they only play four more teams current ranked in the top 100 for RPI (Michigan State, @Purdue, @Nebraksa, Michigan) and face 6 teams ranked outside the top 100. If they get swept by the top 100 teams or even go 1-3, is the committee really impressed with a team that only has 1 top 50 win, 2 or 3 (assuming Minnesota doesn't fallout) top 100 wins and a bunch of wins over sub 100 opponents? What if they drop a road game to Northwestern or Penn State? Big Ten is garbage this year.
#midmajor
Unless Maryland totally falls off a cliff and has their RPI drop below 70, I don't think the committee will leave them out, precisely because the B1G sucks nads this year.
WITH Maryland, there would only be four B1G teams in the tourney (28.6% of league). Methinks the NCAA doesn't like that. They harbor the delusion that the B1G is a high major league.
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Unless Maryland totally falls off a cliff and has their RPI drop below 70, I don't think the committee will leave them out, precisely because the B1G sucks nads this year.
WITH Maryland, there would only be four B1G teams in the tourney (28.6% of league). Methinks the NCAA doesn't like that. They harbor the delusion that the B1G is a high major league.
With Maryland there would be five. Purdue, Mich St., Ohio St. and Michigan are all safely in as of now.
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With Maryland there would be five. Purdue, Mich St., Ohio St. and Michigan are all safely in as of now.
Right you are, I missed Michigan.
Don't tell Keefe.
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I'd be really surprised if the B10 only got 4 bids. I think that is what they deserve, but I'll believe when I see it.
I see 6 more likely than 4.
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While Marquette is my favorite team, I am a college basketball nerd. I enjoy pulling numbers and researching other teams, and learning more about the game and the analytics we use to analyze it. So posting about Madison and Marylands tournament resumes and how craptastic the Big ten is isn't "effort" for me. It's fun.
Besides, most of my posting happens either on the bus as I'm going from meeting to meeting or when I'm on the sh#tter. It's either this or candy crush
TAMU what websites do you use to pull data? I really like BartTorvik, Kenpom, and Teamrankings but wondering if there are any other good ones
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TAMU what websites do you use to pull data? I really like BartTorvik, Kenpom, and Teamrankings but wondering if there are any other good ones
BarTorvik and KenPom are quality. Not a fan of teamrankings.
They all suck compared to synergy though. https://corp.synergysportstech.com/
This is how Andrei pays me for my Paint Touches articles, gives me access to a synergy account it's niiiiiice.
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This for me too. Especially since I am friends with Badger fans, I am at least aware of what they're team is doing. Besides, this year we can revel in their misery. :)
(The rest of TAMU's post was TMI. Did not need to know you take the bus.)
Hey man, A&M is a huge campus and they are sticklers about parking (seriously, I think I've had two dozen parking tickets since I moved here, all from campus cops). Aggie spirit is the only way to get around!
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9Acs3VIUAAGguJ.jpg)
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I'd be really surprised if the B10 only got 4 bids. I think that is what they deserve, but I'll believe when I see it.
I see 6 more likely than 4.
If so, they'll likely break some RPI precedents. Here are record forecasts currently for Pomeroy for possible NCAA teams:
- Indiana 15-15 (8-10)
- Maryland 20-11 (9-9)
- Minnesota 18-13 (7-11)
- Nebraska 19-12 (10-8)
- Northwestern 15-15 (7-11)
- Penn State 17-14 (7-11)
- Wisconsin 14-17 (7-11)
Now, here are what they need to do to get an RPI better than 67, which is the current worst ever RPI to get into the NCAA Tournament:
- Indiana 19-11 (12-6), 57 RPI: Anything less has them sub-70 RPI. They have to finish 7-3 when they will only be favored twice per Pomeroy.
- Maryland 18-12 (8-10), 58 RPI: I do think Maryland gets in as the 5th Big Ten team. Their resume is thin, but they should have the numbers.
- Minnesota 20-11 (9-9), 66 RPI: They probably actually need 10-8, which means 7-2 the rest of the way. 7 wins when they are favored in only 3 games.
- Nebraska 21-10 (12-6), 57 RPI: A Nebraska fan started me looking at these recently. They could go 12-6 in the Big 10 and still be on the bubble. Do they go 7-2 down the stretch? It's possible, but any slip-up and they're out. This shows why the Big 10 is so weak that a team could realistically go 12-6 team and be left out.
- Northwestern 19-11 (11-7), 65 RPI: Remember how excited we were to beat Northwestern in that exhibition? Not sure how this team is this bad, but 8-2 the rest of the way gets them on the bubble. They aren't going 8-2.
- Penn State 21-10 (11-7), 57 RPI: They need to go 8-2 and they're favored in 4 games. Again, this is just to get on the bubble.
- Wisconsin 19-12 (12-6), 58 RPI: This gives me the most hope they are done, because I don't see them going 9-2 the rest of the way.
I think most likely these numbers are the minimums these teams need to get in. Again, I do think Maryland will get there. They really only have the Butler win, but they have no bad losses, only one sub-300 opponent, and a good shot at 20 wins and 9-9 in conference. But after that?
Someone there needs to get really hot. Indiana, Northwestern, and Penn State just don't seem good enough. Minnesota and Wisconsin just did too much damage to their resumes already to overcome it. The Huskers are the only really viable argument, but I have a hard time seeing them at 12-6 even in a depleted Big 10. And even if 1-2 of these teams have this kind of white hot finish, this is just to get on the bubble. RPIs in the low-50s to mid-60s are no guarantee, especially when there will be mid-majors with legitimate cases.
Ugh...like TAMU, I like this stuff way too much and spend way too much time looking at these types of things. Okay...back to moving furniture to make my wife happy.
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Joy, joy. Maryland's loss put them below MU in Kenpom, so we are now in Kempom's top 40!
Maryland lost at Indiana last night. Sounds reasonable right? A Big 10 team lost to another Big 10 team on the road. The win bumped Indiana into the top 100 for RPI but is still a bad loss for Maryland whose resume is starting to look a little shaky.
They have one win against the top 50, Butler at home in one of the first games of the season. They only have one other win against anyone in the top 125, Minnesota, who is looking worse and worse by the day. No truly awful losses, @Indiana and neutral court vs St. Bonaventure are the worst of the bunch. But looking ahead, they only play four more teams current ranked in the top 100 for RPI (Michigan State, @Purdue, @Nebraksa, Michigan) and face 6 teams ranked outside the top 100. If they get swept by the top 100 teams or even go 1-3, is the committee really impressed with a team that only has 1 top 50 win, 2 or 3 (assuming Minnesota doesn't fallout) top 100 wins and a bunch of wins over sub 100 opponents? What if they drop a road game to Northwestern or Penn State? Big Ten is garbage this year.
#midmajor
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BarTorvik and KenPom are quality. Not a fan of teamrankings.
They all suck compared to synergy though. https://corp.synergysportstech.com/
This is how Andrei pays me for my Paint Touches articles, gives me access to a synergy account it's niiiiiice.
Woah, Synergy? Now that is awesome
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If so, they'll likely break some RPI precedents. Here are record forecasts currently for Pomeroy for possible NCAA teams:
- Indiana 15-15 (8-10)
- Maryland 20-11 (9-9)
- Minnesota 18-13 (7-11)
- Nebraska 19-12 (10-8)
- Northwestern 15-15 (7-11)
- Penn State 17-14 (7-11)
- Wisconsin 14-17 (7-11)
Now, here are what they need to do to get an RPI better than 67, which is the current worst ever RPI to get into the NCAA Tournament:
- Indiana 19-11 (12-6), 57 RPI: Anything less has them sub-70 RPI. They have to finish 7-3 when they will only be favored twice per Pomeroy.
- Maryland 18-12 (8-10), 58 RPI: I do think Maryland gets in as the 5th Big Ten team. Their resume is thin, but they should have the numbers.
- Minnesota 20-11 (9-9), 66 RPI: They probably actually need 10-8, which means 7-2 the rest of the way. 7 wins when they are favored in only 3 games.
- Nebraska 21-10 (12-6), 57 RPI: A Nebraska fan started me looking at these recently. They could go 12-6 in the Big 10 and still be on the bubble. Do they go 7-2 down the stretch? It's possible, but any slip-up and they're out. This shows why the Big 10 is so weak that a team could realistically go 12-6 team and be left out.
- Northwestern 19-11 (11-7), 65 RPI: Remember how excited we were to beat Northwestern in that exhibition? Not sure how this team is this bad, but 8-2 the rest of the way gets them on the bubble. They aren't going 8-2.
- Penn State 21-10 (11-7), 57 RPI: They need to go 8-2 and they're favored in 4 games. Again, this is just to get on the bubble.
- Wisconsin 19-12 (12-6), 58 RPI: This gives me the most hope they are done, because I don't see them going 9-2 the rest of the way.
I think most likely these numbers are the minimums these teams need to get in. Again, I do think Maryland will get there. They really only have the Butler win, but they have no bad losses, only one sub-300 opponent, and a good shot at 20 wins and 9-9 in conference. But after that?
Someone there needs to get really hot. Indiana, Northwestern, and Penn State just don't seem good enough. Minnesota and Wisconsin just did too much damage to their resumes already to overcome it. The Huskers are the only really viable argument, but I have a hard time seeing them at 12-6 even in a depleted Big 10. And even if 1-2 of these teams have this kind of white hot finish, this is just to get on the bubble. RPIs in the low-50s to mid-60s are no guarantee, especially when there will be mid-majors with legitimate cases.
Ugh...like TAMU, I like this stuff way too much and spend way too much time looking at these types of things. Okay...back to moving furniture to make my wife happy.
Great analysis. I think you’ve nailed it. 4 basic locks at this point, with Maryland as the 5th squad a handful of teams that need to go bonkers next 6 weeks for the B10 to get 6.
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Yep, great analysis guys. B1G might have a better shot at an outlier winning the B1G tournament than one of them getting an at-large bid.
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I genuinely love all the analysis you guys do for all conferences. I watch plenty of college hoops but to get some advanced stats behind it is so awesome. That being said, Wisconsin is getting blasted by pathetic Iowa so let's go ahead and drop the narrative they have any chance of dancing. Thanks!
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I think we can stop talking Bucky tourney scenarios.
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Never had a higher opinion of Doug Gottlieb: https://twitter.com/gottliebshow/status/955986732264046593
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Never had a higher opinion of Doug Gottlieb: https://twitter.com/gottliebshow/status/955986732264046593
As much as the "Cool story Bro" made me laugh.... Gottlieb really is a jag.
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I think we can stop talking Bucky tourney scenarios.
+1 who likes the rodents anyway
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Mike Heller, he of the "Wes Matthews didn't go to UW because of academics" club
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As much as the "Cool story Bro" made me laugh.... Gottlieb really is a jag.
1) I agree.
2) In this context, doesn't bother me.
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Haha—that’s funny sheet from Dougy.
I HATE frickin Mike Heller so this makes me happy.
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As much as the "Cool story Bro" made me laugh.... Gottlieb really is a jag.
He's a jag...but at least he's a jag who kicks the rodents when they suck.
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It takes a lot for me to not dislike Doug "Miami by a sizeable margin" Gottelib, but kicking the Rodents while they're already down works for me.
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Love it. Mid major.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=400986525
Are we done talking about UW being able to get to 11 or 12 wins in the B1G or...?
Sure, in theory if they win out they'll make the NCAA Tournament. But in reality they aren't winning out or getting 11 or 12 B1G wins. They are legitimately an awful basketball team.
I think the Marquette vs. UW game would've been a closer game if it was Marquette University High School, who is a middle of the pack Greater Metro Conference basketball team this year, instead of Marquette University blowing out the Badgers on their home court.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=400986525
Are we done talking about UW being able to get to 11 or 12 wins in the B1G or...?
Sure, in theory if they win out they'll make the NCAA Tournament. But in reality they aren't winning out or getting 11 or 12 B1G wins. They are legitimately an awful basketball team.
I think the Marquette vs. UW game would've been a closer game if it was Marquette University High School, who is a middle of the pack Greater Metro Conference basketball team this year, instead of Marquette University blowing out the Badgers on their home court.
Agreed.
The "they had bad starts but turned it around before" argument stops working after awhile. I think we've arrived at that point.
Nice to see F%cky be sucky ... even if it hurts our RPI a tad.
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Bucky is 1-8 away from the Kohl Hole, with only a close W vs. Penn State. Fork meet rodent.
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Bucky is 1-8 away from the Kohl Hole, with a only a close W vs. Penn State. Fork meet rodent.
Fork the Rodents!
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At this point the Badgers just want to make it to March, as in March 1. B1G tournament opens Feb 28.
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Bucky is 1-8 away from the Kohl Hole, with only a close W vs. Penn State. Fork meet rodent.
And wasn't that a controversial ending in their favor or am I misremembering?
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At this point the Badgers just want to make it to March, as in March 1. B1G tournament opens Feb 28.
How interesting, how bizarre!
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And wasn't that a controversial ending in their favor or am I misremembering?
I don't think so. UW almost blew a big lead and PSU missed a shot at the end.
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And wasn't that a controversial ending in their favor or am I misremembering?
You're thinking of their home win against Western Kentucky. Davison drew a questionable "charge" with a second left to get free throws to win.
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This is a fun tweet. We should all call, fire Gard!
https://twitter.com/kylemaichle52/status/956039792931766272
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This is a fun tweet. We should all call, fire Gard!
https://twitter.com/kylemaichle52/status/956039792931766272
No! Don't call! Let them twist in the wind with Gard for a few years!
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This is a fun tweet. We should all call, fire Gard!
https://twitter.com/kylemaichle52/status/956039792931766272
We should call and say what a great job he's doing
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You're thinking of their home win against Western Kentucky. Davison drew a questionable "charge" with a second left to get free throws to win.
I am indeed. Very much so.
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This is a fun tweet. We should all call, fire Gard!
https://twitter.com/kylemaichle52/status/956039792931766272
I'd give Gard an extension and a raise!
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We should call and say what a great job he's doing
Careful, you don’t want to make powerful enemies like the future US ambassador to Australia.
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Careful, you don’t want to make powerful enemies like the future US ambassador to Australia.
Is this a Flight of the Conchords line?
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Bucky is up by 11 at home to a semi-decent Nebraska team.
This is nearly a perfect outcome. If Bucky wins this game they are 11-12 (4-6) and going to no post-season tournament (unless they want to pay to play Vegas).
But a win like this increases the chance that Barry keeps Gard one more season. Please, please Barry, show some patience with your coach. After all, you need five years to judge!
Best part ... the Big Ten wanted Madison Square Garden so bad they moved up their tournament a week. It starts February 28.
This means Bucky gets no bye and is a severe dog in their first game. So ... their season could be done February 28 meaning they are the first power 5 team to end their season in 2018!!!
29 days until this miserable Bucky season is over. Then Barry can give Gard a vote of confidence and a week later Happ announces he is Grad transferring.
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Bucky is up by 11 at home to a semi-decent Nebraska team.
This is nearly a perfect outcome. If Bucky wins this game they are 11-12 (4-6) and going to no post-season tournament (unless they want to pay to play Vegas).
But a win like this increases the chance that Barry keeps Gard one more season. Please, please Barry, show some patience with your coach. After all, you need five years to judge!
Best part ... the Big Ten wanted Madison Square Garden so bad they moved up their tournament a week. It starts February 28.
This means Bucky gets no bye and is a severe dog in their first game. So ... their season could be done February 28 meaning they are the first power 5 team to end their season in 2018!!!
29 days until this miserable Bucky season is over. Then Barry can give Gard a vote of confidence and a week later Happ announces he is Grad transferring.
Lol
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22 point swing there, Tuggy. Gard Gowne!
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22 point swing there, Tuggy. Gard Gowne!
As you noted, Bucky was outscored by 22 points in the last 10 minutes at home. I will never again underestimate how much Bucky can suck.
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As you noted, Bucky was outscored by 22 points in the last 10 minutes at home. I will never again underestimate how much Bucky can suck.
Gotta stop playing those RPI killers.... ;D
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This is getting to the point where I'd actually like them to win 2-3 more games
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Nebraska is putting together a very odd high major resume. They could finish 14-4 in the Big 10 with one win over a tournament team. Will a 45 RPI be good enough with a 103 SOS and very little substance on the resume?
Maryland is in a similar boat. The numbers will look good but there's not much behind them. It'll be really interesting to see what happens with the Big 10 bubble teams.
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29 days until this miserable Bucky season is over. Then Barry can give Gard a vote of confidence and a week laterHapp announces he is Grad transferring.
Sure you dont mean GARD transferring?
:P
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Bucky is up by 11 at home to a semi-decent Nebraska team.
This is nearly a perfect outcome. If Bucky wins this game they are 11-12 (4-6) and going to no post-season tournament (unless they want to pay to play Vegas).
But a win like this increases the chance that Barry keeps Gard one more season. Please, please Barry, show some patience with your coach. After all, you need five years to judge!
Best part ... the Big Ten wanted Madison Square Garden so bad they moved up their tournament a week. It starts February 28.
This means Bucky gets no bye and is a severe dog in their first game. So ... their season could be done February 28 meaning they are the first power 5 team to end their season in 2018!!!
29 days until this miserable Bucky season is over. Then Barry can give Gard a vote of confidence and a week later Happ announces he is Grad transferring.
Your detailed knowledge of autonomous cars impressed me. This is wasted intellectual energy. Wisconsin Badger basketball is heretofore irrelevant.
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Badgers currently tied for 10th. 11-14 play on Feb 28. Join the movement!
#BadgersToMarch1
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In all the Badgers talk i find it funny that with how bad they are they only have 5 more losses than we do. Does that say something about the state of our program?
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In all the Badgers talk i find it funny that with how bad they are they only have 5 more losses than we do. Does that say something about the state of our program?
No.
82-63 at the Kohl Hole says something about the state of our respective programs.
Our trend UP, their trend DOWN says something about the state of our respective programs.
Top Wisconsin recruits consistently choosing MU over UW says something about the state of our respective programs.
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In all the Badgers talk i find it funny that with how bad they are they only have 5 more losses than we do. Does that say something about the state of our program?
Five more losses is 63% more than we have.
And I can't believe you said "only 5 more losses" on a board where many treat a single defeat, even against a top 10 team, as the death of the program.
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Five more losses is 63% more than we have.
And I can't believe you said "only 5 more losses" on a board where many treat a single defeat, even against a top 10 team, as the death of the program.
Bingo!
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I understand all of it im just tired of everyone settling for mediocrity. Everyone always expects us to lose to Xavier, Villanova, Butler, Seton Hall. When the hell do we finally turn the corner. I remember when we have james, Mcneal and matthews. We would go in anywhere and expect to win. Uconn, Louiville, Syracuse all top 15 teams it never mattered we would come out with a win. I just want the program to get back to where its expected we make the tournament and at least the 2nd round.
My point about the losses is that we have 8 already to wisconsins 13. 8 losses is alot to have at this point of the season doesn't matter if we played xavier x 2 or villanova x 2 the fact is we ALWAYS lose the big games. And to say that Wisconsin is so much worse is quite a stretch.
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I understand all of it im just tired of everyone settling for mediocrity. Everyone always expects us to lose to Xavier, Villanova, Butler, Seton Hall. When the hell do we finally turn the corner. I remember when we have james, Mcneal and matthews. We would go in anywhere and expect to win. Uconn, Louiville, Syracuse all top 15 teams it never mattered we would come out with a win. I just want the program to get back to where its expected we make the tournament and at least the 2nd round.
My point about the losses is that we have 8 already to wisconsins 13. 8 losses is alot to have at this point of the season doesn't matter if we played xavier x 2 or villanova x 2 the fact is we ALWAYS lose the big games. And to say that Wisconsin is so much worse is quite a stretch.
See January 24 of last year. Or the fact that we went 3-1 against X and Nova last year. You can't always beat good teams, that's why they're called good teams
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I understand all of it im just tired of everyone settling for mediocrity. Everyone always expects us to lose to Xavier, Villanova, Butler, Seton Hall. When the hell do we finally turn the corner. I remember when we have james, Mcneal and matthews. We would go in anywhere and expect to win. Uconn, Louiville, Syracuse all top 15 teams it never mattered we would come out with a win. I just want the program to get back to where its expected we make the tournament and at least the 2nd round.
My point about the losses is that we have 8 already to wisconsins 13. 8 losses is alot to have at this point of the season doesn't matter if we played xavier x 2 or villanova x 2 the fact is we ALWAYS lose the big games. And to say that Wisconsin is so much worse is quite a stretch.
We literally beat the #1 team in the country just over a year ago.
Anyway, if you can't see how the future is bright, I don't know what to tell you.
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We literally beat the #1 team in the country just over a year ago.
Anyway, if you can't see how the future is bright, I don't know what to tell you.
And blew Hall out less than a month ago.
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I understand all of it im just tired of everyone settling for mediocrity. Everyone always expects us to lose to Xavier, Villanova, Butler, Seton Hall. When the hell do we finally turn the corner. I remember when we have james, Mcneal and matthews. We would go in anywhere and expect to win. Uconn, Louiville, Syracuse all top 15 teams it never mattered we would come out with a win. I just want the program to get back to where its expected we make the tournament and at least the 2nd round.
My point about the losses is that we have 8 already to wisconsins 13. 8 losses is alot to have at this point of the season doesn't matter if we played xavier x 2 or villanova x 2 the fact is we ALWAYS lose the big games. And to say that Wisconsin is so much worse is quite a stretch.
You are remembering selectively. We had poor records against Syracuse and Louisville when they were in the Big East.
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I know the future is bright but its been a few years and im ready for a tourny run. I still belive this team can get to the second weekend of the tournament IF we stay off the 8/9 seed line. The way we shoot the 3 we can beat anyone. Our D is always the reason we lose. I fully understand that next years team is going to be the best team we have had since out elite 8 run. I am looking forward to the future its just been a painful journey.
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I understand all of it im just tired of everyone settling for mediocrity. Everyone always expects us to lose to Xavier, Villanova, Butler, Seton Hall. When the hell do we finally turn the corner. I remember when we have james, Mcneal and matthews. We would go in anywhere and expect to win. Uconn, Louiville, Syracuse all top 15 teams it never mattered we would come out with a win. I just want the program to get back to where its expected we make the tournament and at least the 2nd round.
My point about the losses is that we have 8 already to wisconsins 13. 8 losses is alot to have at this point of the season doesn't matter if we played xavier x 2 or villanova x 2 the fact is we ALWAYS lose the big games. And to say that Wisconsin is so much worse is quite a stretch.
Except... they went 10-6 / 10-6 / 11-7 in the Big East their first three years, and 1-3 in the NCAA tournament over that span. So... we didn't always come out with a win?
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In all the Badgers talk i find it funny that with how bad they are they only have 5 more losses than we do. Does that say something about the state of our program?
No, because the number of losses doesn't account for strength of schedule. Our schedule has been stronger this year - both in and out of conference. That's reflected in the current Realtime RPIs:
MU: 47
UW@Madison: 141
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Marquette's best win: Seton Hall by 20. Wisconsin's best win: Western Kentucky by 1.
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Nebraska is putting together a very odd high major resume. They could finish 14-4 in the Big 10 with one win over a tournament team. Will a 45 RPI be good enough with a 103 SOS and very little substance on the resume?
Maryland is in a similar boat. The numbers will look good but there's not much behind them. It'll be really interesting to see what happens with the Big 10 bubble teams.
One of Maryland or Nebraska is going to make the tournament. Nebraska's toughest two games are @ Minnesota and vs. Maryland. If they go 5-1 to finish B10 play, I can't see a 13-5 B10 team not making the tournament, even if their computer numbers are meh (RPI: 51; SOS: 103) in that scenario.
Again, I'd love to see the B10 get 4 bids, but it will be 5 when all is said and done.
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One of Maryland or Nebraska is going to make the tournament. Nebraska's toughest two games are @ Minnesota and vs. Maryland. If they go 5-1 to finish B10 play, I can't see a 13-5 B10 team not making the tournament, even if their computer numbers are meh (RPI: 51; SOS: 103) in that scenario.
Again, I'd love to see the B10 get 4 bids, but it will be 5 when all is said and done.
But the B1G is AAC quality this year. Nebraska also got a weak B1G schedule. Purdue, Ohio St, Michigan St, Michigan, and Maryland only once each. 1-3 so far with Maryland to go. No road wins of note.
It'll be an interesting case of quantity wins vs quality wins. If you look past the conference name, Nebraska's resume has nothing that says NCAA tournament.
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Nebraska will get in, and their blind resume will be great Twitter fodder.
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I understand all of it im just tired of everyone settling for mediocrity. Everyone always expects us to lose to Xavier, Villanova, Butler, Seton Hall. When the hell do we finally turn the corner. I remember when we have james, Mcneal and matthews. We would go in anywhere and expect to win. Uconn, Louiville, Syracuse all top 15 teams it never mattered we would come out with a win. I just want the program to get back to where its expected we make the tournament and at least the 2nd round.
My point about the losses is that we have 8 already to wisconsins 13. 8 losses is alot to have at this point of the season doesn't matter if we played xavier x 2 or villanova x 2 the fact is we ALWAYS lose the big games. And to say that Wisconsin is so much worse is quite a stretch.
You are remembering wrong. Here is the 3 amigos record against top 15 teams:
05-06: 2-2 (2-3 if you include losing to #16 West Virginia)
06-07: 3-2
07-08: 1-3 (1-4 if you include losing to #17 Pitt) (The 1 win was against #15 Notre Dame so 0-3 against the top 14)
08-09: 1-6 (1-7 if you include losing to #16 Tennessee) (The 1 win was against #15 Villanova, so 0-6 against the top 14)
Total: 7-13 against top 15 (5-13 against top 14) (7-16 against top 17)
During the 3 Amigos era we did not go into games with top 15 teams and "always come out with a win." We lost almost twice as many as we won. Switch "top 15" to "top 14" or to "top 17" and the numbers are even worse. I can't speak for others but I went in expecting a loss to top 15 teams just as much back then as I do now. It shouldn't be surprising, beating top 15 teams is tough no matter who you are.
What I will say is that I do miss going into the first game of a season with the expectation that we will make the tournament. When I was a student (07-11) I never thought about missing the postseason or even the NIT when the season started. We were on a tournament appearance streak and it seemed like an automatic that we would get there every year...I felt that way even going into Buzz' last disaster of a season. The first two years of Wojo I had zero confidence we would sniff the NCAAs and only held a small wild hope that we would make the NIT in year 2. This year and last year I went in expecting to be one of the last teams to sneak in, knowing we would be on the brink all season.
Next season I am looking forward to being the first of the Wojo era where I am not worried about making the tournament, I am worried about seeding. Barring disaster, I feel confident that I will feel that way for the next two years. With good recruiting, I think we could be looking at another tournament streak that could rival and surpass the one that I experienced when I was a student.
Oh...and the difference between 8 and 13 losses in a college basketball season is humongous. Especially with the team with 8 losses has played a much tougher schedule than the team with 13. Just check out the KenPom numbers:
MU: 39
UW: 90
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I know the future is bright but its been a few years and im ready for a tourny run. I still belive this team can get to the second weekend of the tournament IF we stay off the 8/9 seed line. The way we shoot the 3 we can beat anyone. Our D is always the reason we lose. I fully understand that next years team is going to be the best team we have had since out elite 8 run. I am looking forward to the future its just been a painful journey.
Top 15 wins from 06-09
2006: #2 UConn
2007: #9 Duke, #8 Pitt, #12 Pitt
2008: #14 ND (in the BET, they were unranked when we beat them at home)
2009: #15 Nova
6 wins over top 15 teams in 4 years.
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In all the Badgers talk i find it funny that with how bad they are they only have 5 more losses than we do. Does that say something about the state of our program?
5 more losses? You know how big a difference 5 losses is?
Also, Bucky has 8 games left and really only have a chance at 2 more wins (home against NW this week at @Ill). Maybe they get lucky and sneak in a game but they can also just as easily lose one of these two games too.
That's 19 losses, 20 when they lose in the B1G tourney (on Feb 28!)
The Patriots "only" beat the Jags by 24 points. What does that say about the state of the Patriots dynasty?
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Oh...and the difference between 8 and 13 losses in a college basketball season is humongous. Especially with the team with 8 losses has played a much tougher schedule than the team with 13. Just check out the KenPom numbers:
MU: 39
UW: 90
Let's talk about half of the Big Ten, according to KenPom:
Rutgers - 135
Illinois - 106
Iowa - 102
Wisconsin - 90
Indiana - 88
Minnesota - 84
Northwestern - 82
Only SJU (89), GTown (109) and DePaul (118) are worse than these seven teams. The rest of the Big East is top 60, if you remove Providence (59), the rest of the Big East is top 40.
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Marquette's best win: Seton Hall by 20. Wisconsin's best win: Western Kentucky by 1.
If only the schools had played this year so we could get a gauge on the state of the 2 programs......
5 more losses? You can't be serious......look at who our losses are against....
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If only the schools had played this year so we could get a gauge on the state of the 2 programs......
5 more losses? You can't be serious......look at who are losses are against....
Reminder, Bucky's loss to MU this year was the second worse Kohl Hole loss in building history (19 points).
The worst was the week before when tOSU beat Bucky in the Kohl Hole by 25.
What does that tell you about the relative state of the programs?
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I understand all of it im just tired of everyone settling for mediocrity. Everyone always expects us to lose to Xavier, Villanova, Butler, Seton Hall. When the hell do we finally turn the corner. I remember when we have james, Mcneal and matthews. We would go in anywhere and expect to win. Uconn, Louiville, Syracuse all top 15 teams it never mattered we would come out with a win. I just want the program to get back to where its expected we make the tournament and at least the 2nd round.
My point about the losses is that we have 8 already to wisconsins 13. 8 losses is alot to have at this point of the season doesn't matter if we played xavier x 2 or villanova x 2 the fact is we ALWAYS lose the big games. And to say that Wisconsin is so much worse is quite a stretch.
Sorry your not enjoying the season.
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Top 15 wins from 06-09
2006: #2 UConn
2007: #9 Duke, #8 Pitt, #12 Pitt
2008: #14 ND (in the BET, they were unranked when we beat them at home)
2009: #15 Nova
6 wins over top 15 teams in 4 years.
We also beat #9 Pitt in 2006 and I have Notre Dame as #15 in 2008 but otherwise right on.
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The Nebraska question is a really interesting one. They only have 6 games left and 5 of them are against teams currently outside the top 100 in RPI. The last is to #58 Maryland at home. None of these are really resume builders and all of them except arguably Maryland would be resume killers. Here's what their RPI and SOS would approximately look like with different possible outcomes:
6-0: RPI 45 SOS 105
5-1: RPI 51 SOS 105
4-2: RPI 65 SOS 105
Clearly if they lose two they are done...maybe a run to the B1G championship could salvage it but I doubt it. Losing 1 game is very iffy. My gut would tell me they are out at that point without some magic in the B1G Tournament. Even 6-0....It's hard to imagine a 23-8 B1G team being left out but those aren't great computer numbers. Two years ago, Saint Bonaventure was left out with an RPI of 46 and an SOS of 83. Is high major bias enough to overcome such a dreadful SOS?
Nebraksa's signature win right now is a home win against Michigan (#37 in RPI). To their credit they did pound them by 20. Their second best win is a home win against Boston College (#72 RPI). That's it for top 100 wins. They have 2 top 100 wins. If they beat Maryland at home they will have 3. If you keep going....they only have 6 total top 150 wins. The 2 previously mentioned, one at home to Minnesota (#107), one at Northwestern (#101), and two against Wisconsin (#141). 11 of their 17 wins are against teams outside the top 150.
They also have a neutral court loss to UCF (#70) which isn't that bad. But also two sub 100 losses to Penn State and St. John's. I don't think they can afford a third sub 100 loss and make the tournament.
In conclusion, I think the only way Nebraska should make the tournament is if they win out and beat someone worthwhile in the B1G tournament. If they make it without doing that, it will be because of high major bias.
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I went to the game in Madison last night. What a year to have my two teams both win in the Kohl Center by an average of 15 points. Couple of thoughts:
Nebraska Resume: I think they will get in with a 5-1 or 6-0 finish. The big boy bias is real even though Nebraska has little heft in the resume. This NU team is pretty good and would give MU all sorts of trouble with their athleticism, especially Palmer. Watson drives me nuts. They were screwed by the B1G scheduling. No double plays against the good teams and MSU, Purdue and Ohio St all on the road.
Now on to Bucky...hoo boy.
The natives are restless in Madison. The place was only 3/4 full. The lower student section bowl wasn't even at capacity. I heard at least three audible "Noooo" shouts when Happ hoisted his first 3, which he made. He then took 3(!) more 3s. In fairness, one was a shot clock necessity.
Outside of Happ, no one is willing or able to take a shot. Lots of pump fakes and tepidly prodding the defense on faux drives. Nebraska finally trapped Happ with a 1-3-1 and all hell broke loose. NU has shown that look in multiple games this year, but UW was not ready and had no answer at home.
I think Gard has mismanaged this team. They are fragile. I'm used to Bucky working things out after injuries, much my chagrin. Instead, read Gard's postgame comments. Lots of excuses - inexperience, injuries, etc. Of course, the media is lapping this up and carrying water for him. I seem to remember this same program and it's media horde laughing at programs that make excuses..."Next man up" and all that. Gard said after the loss in Lincoln that "we almost have to pitch a perfect game to win." What the hell? No wonder the team is hesitant to shoot and make a play. That has to affect the players. A perfect game to beat Nebraska? In basketball? Or football for that matter these days.
If I was a UW fan, I would be nervous. Lack of adjustments in game? Check. Slow recruiting? Check. Lack of player development? Check. Woe is me leadership? Check. As a Marquette & Nebraska fan, I look forward to many more years of the Greg Gard regime.
Last note, I am so happy that Ted Valentine doesn't do Big East games. His showboating and preening is maddening. What a punk.
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If I was a UW fan, I would be nervous. Lack of adjustments in game? Check. Slow recruiting? Check. Lack of player development? Check. Woe is me leadership? Check. As a Marquette & Nebraska fan, I look forward to many more years of the Greg Gard regime.
I truly think that UW is in trouble for many of the reasons you mention. I do realize that he is suffering from poor recruiting toward the end of the Bo era. But while that may lead to lack of overall success, it doesn't excuse the implosion that this year has become. And unlike Wojo's first year where you could see a bright spot on the horizon, UW doesn't have that. Very little player development and still no recruits for 2018.
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I truly think that UW is in trouble for many of the reasons you mention. I do realize that he is suffering from poor recruiting toward the end of the Bo era. But while that may lead to lack of overall success, it doesn't excuse the implosion that this year has become. And unlike Wojo's first year where you could see a bright spot on the horizon, UW doesn't have that. Very little player development and still no recruits for 2018.
True, though they do have redshirts Trice, King and Anderson coming into the fold next year. Their guard situation will be much better.
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In all the Badgers talk i find it funny that with how bad they are they only have 5 more losses than we do. Does that say something about the state of our program?
So by this logic Duke, Michigan State and Xavier only have 5 less losses then we do ......what does that say about the state of those programs? North Carolina only has 2 less!
Armageddon!
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True, though they do have redshirts Trice, King and Anderson coming into the fold next year. Their guard situation will be much better.
This is true. Wisconsin "should" see a bit of a resurgence next season. They get Trice and King back from injury. They will get a full season of Reuvers (tried to redshirt him at the beginning of the season). Add a decent transfer in Trevor Andreson (how they get these guys to agree to be walk ons when they could be scholarship players at mid majors is beyond me). They add two freshmen but neither look like instant impact type guys. And they get everyone but walk on Moesch back. They also still have a scholarship to give so they could get a "Gard" transfer or a late rising freshman. I'm not sure this enough to get them dancing again next season, but they should be better.
However, this is assuming Happ comes back. Personally, I think if he wants to get drafted, he will need to transfer to a top 25 type team and put up the same kind of numbers he does for Wisconsin with greater efficiency. I also don't think that Wisconsin is as transfer proof as they were under Bo. We also have yet to see Gard develop players the way Bo did.....and once Happ (and to a lesser extent Iverson) graduate....they won't be left with much for the 19-20 season.
I made a thread earlier this year where I said this season's win was the mark of turning point in our rivalry with Bucky. I still think it is true. They are using the same recruiting strategy in 2019 that screwed them in the 2018 class. Only sending out a few offers and going all in on those few. I think they have only offered DJ Carton, Matthew Hurt, and Nobal Days. Hurt ain't going to Wisconsin. And Wojo is hard after Carton and was at least checking in on Days. I would love to see us snatch both up and leave Bucky swinging in the wind again. Oh....and Badger fans trashed Days and his dad on twitter when they tweeted support for Herro's decommit. God some people are dumb.
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We also beat #9 Pitt in 2006 and I have Notre Dame as #15 in 2008 but otherwise right on.
It is hard to believe Pitt was ever ranked at this point.
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Nobal Days has a really unique, weird stat line. Something like 9 PPG, 14 RPG, 6 APG, 4 BPG, 2 SPG, 3.5 TO, and really poor shooting splits. 43% FG 60%-ish FT and 4-17 3 FG at last check.
Those stats tell me Days is very raw offensively. Might be a roll player but not a star. So Days is way down my list.
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This is true. Wisconsin "should" see a bit of a resurgence next season. They get Trice and King back from injury. They will get a full season of Reuvers (tried to redshirt him at the beginning of the season). Add a decent transfer in Trevor Andreson (how they get these guys to agree to be walk ons when they could be scholarship players at mid majors is beyond me). They add two freshmen but neither look like instant impact type guys. And they get everyone but walk on Moesch back. They also still have a scholarship to give so they could get a "Gard" transfer or a late rising freshman. I'm not sure this enough to get them dancing again next season, but they should be better.
However, this is assuming Happ comes back. Personally, I think if he wants to get drafted, he will need to transfer to a top 25 type team and put up the same kind of numbers he does for Wisconsin with greater efficiency. I also don't think that Wisconsin is as transfer proof as they were under Bo. We also have yet to see Gard develop players the way Bo did.....and once Happ (and to a lesser extent Iverson) graduate....they won't be left with much for the 19-20 season.
I made a thread earlier this year where I said this season's win was the mark of turning point in our rivalry with Bucky. I still think it is true. They are using the same recruiting strategy in 2019 that screwed them in the 2018 class. Only sending out a few offers and going all in on those few. I think they have only offered DJ Carton, Matthew Hurt, and Nobal Days. Hurt ain't going to Wisconsin. And Wojo is hard after Carton and was at least checking in on Days. I would love to see us snatch both up and leave Bucky swinging in the wind again. Oh....and Badger fans trashed Days and his dad on twitter when they tweeted support for Herro's decommit. God some people are dumb.
Where is Hurt projected to go? Just watched a special on him on FSN. Solid big guy.
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Where is Hurt projected to go? Just watched a special on him on FSN. Solid big guy.
Pretty sure he is a strong Duke lean.
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Hurt is top 5 so I expect a blueblood. Duke is a good bet. His older brother plays at Minnesota so slim chance of a Wally-Henry situation but doubtful.
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Gard's postgame comments. Lots of excuses - inexperience, injuries, etc.
Injuries: Yes, they've had two guys injured. One a freshman that wasn't starting (but admittedly with perhaps the most upside potential) and one a sophomore that had a ceiling of mediocre B10 point guard. If they were counting on those two to turn them from an 18+ loss to team to an NCAA tourney team they are delusional.
Inexperience: Not really. They have 5 juniors, at least one (possibly 2?) who are actually fourth year redshirts. It's just that outside of Happ they are all really terrible. It isn't that they are inexperienced, its that they have a five man class that is mostly a complete washout, and the sophs aren't much to pin any hopes on. And they have zero help coming in next year from HS. In fact, the expectation from many vadger fans is that those recruits were likely to themselves redshirt.
Amazingly, even excluding the incoming freshmen, they will still have 6 redshirt players on their roster. Historically, that was one key to their success--being a very mature team. Well, they still are, they just don't have very good players.
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Pretty sure he is a strong Duke lean.
Someone should tell him that Duke lost the guy that used to coach their big men
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Yep! What happened to the great potential of the great Charlie Thomas and Alex Illikanen, and we can't forget Andy VanVleit. Iverson
is a good athlete who can't shoot, Pritzl is a head case. Feel sorry for
Happ. But, How sweet it is.
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Yep! What happened to the great potential of the great Charlie Thomas and Alex Illikanen, and we can't forget Andy VanVleit. Iverson
is a good athlete who can't shoot, Pritzl is a head case. Feel sorry for
Happ. But, How sweet it is.
Happ went 10-19 at the line last night. I'm pretty sure I could do better than that I haven't played competitive basketball since I was like 6.
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Pretty sure he is a strong Duke lean.
Affirmative. I live in Rochester, and the local news often shows K in the stands at his games. Doubt K would be showing up if it wasn’t pretty serious.
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Where is Hurt projected to go? Just watched a special on him on FSN. Solid big guy.
Heard he will be a Dookie. Was told that there's no chance he ends up following his brother to Minnesota, definitely going to a blue blood but you never know.
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Happ went 10-19 at the line last night. I'm pretty sure I could do better than that I haven't played competitive basketball since I was like 6.
Actually he was 8 for 19. Happless.
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Just watched a replay of the Nebraska game.
I forgot how ugly pritzl is, f***.
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NM
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Who looks more beat down?
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With good recruiting, I think we could be looking at another tournament streak that could rival and surpass the one that I experienced when I was a student.
Brother TAMU, I'm looking forward to another tournament streak that rivals and surpasses the one that I experienced when I was a student (the 1970s).
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Brother TAMU, I'm looking forward to another tournament streak that rivals and surpasses the one that I experienced when I was a student (the 1970s).
All we have to do is convince dozens of top-tier teams to not go into the inner cities and recruit black kids, and we can get back to where we were in the Al Era.
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All we have to do is convince dozens of top-tier teams to not go into the inner cities and recruit black kids, and we can get back to where we were in the Al Era.
Or be better at recruiting the best ballplayers in the nation, regardless of ethnicity, than any of those dozens of top teams. I'm convinced we can do that -- and will!
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Or be better at recruiting the best ballplayers in the nation, regardless of ethnicity, than any of those dozens of top teams. I'm convinced we can do that -- and will!
I hope you are right.
It's not realistic to believe we can be the next Duke or Kentucky or Kansas. But I do think that those of us (including me) who think it's possible that Marquette can replicate what Villanova and Gonzaga have done are not being too pollyannaish.
All I was saying in my earlier comment (as you surely know) is that the recruiting landscape was vastly different when we were a "blueblood" ourselves. Al was smart enough and good enough to take advantage of it.
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I hope you are right.
It's not realistic to believe we can be the next Duke or Kentucky or Kansas. But I do think that those of us (including me) who think it's possible that Marquette can replicate what Villanova and Gonzaga have done are not being too pollyannaish.
All I was saying in my earlier comment (as you surely know) is that the recruiting landscape was vastly different when we were a "blueblood" ourselves. Al was smart enough and good enough to take advantage of it.
Of course. Marquette was open minded about who attended our university both as ballplayers and as students much earlier than most NCAA schools. There's a reason UCLA, Marquette, North Carolina et al were really good back then. People knew that if they went to one of these schools, they'd be treated fairly. Our reputation, along with UCLA's and Coach Wooden's, spoke for itself.
The mid-1960s to the mid-1970s was a time when too many of our brothers and sisters didn't get a fair shake in many parts of the country. We're generally passed that (although far from not completely) and I acknowledge that becoming a blue blood today is different. If the Blessed Al were still alive, he'd say the same thing.
I would call your attention to the fact that Michigan State, often considered a blue blood, was not always a blue blood. Likewise, I believe Villanova either is a blue blood or is on the way to blue blood status. So long as Coach Wright stays at Villanova, I see nothing not colored blue and gold that will slow them down one iota. Keeping a good coach around, as North Carolina, Duke, Michigan State and Kansas shows, is critical.
The hardest part of "getting there" to blue blood status is patience. Coach Wojo inherited a dumpster fire and by all measures has cleaned it up, removed the toxins and started us on our way. It remains to be seen how he leverages what we has and will have over the next few years. But, if the talent gels and he gets our team to play as a unit, I'm confident Coach Wojo has a chance to move us into elite status.
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Of course. Marquette was open minded about who attended our university both as ballplayers and as students much earlier than most NCAA schools. There's a reason UCLA, Marquette, North Carolina et al were really good back then. People knew that if they went to one of these schools, they'd be treated fairly. Our reputation, along with UCLA's and Coach Wooden's, spoke for itself.
The mid-1960s to the mid-1970s was a time when too many of our brothers and sisters didn't get a fair shake in many parts of the country. We're generally passed that (although far from not completely) and I acknowledge that becoming a blue blood today is different. If the Blessed Al were still alive, he'd say the same thing.
I would call your attention to the fact that Michigan State, often considered a blue blood, was not always a blue blood. Likewise, I believe Villanova either is a blue blood or is on the way to blue blood status. So long as Coach Wright stays at Villanova, I see nothing not colored blue and gold that will slow them down one iota. Keeping a good coach around, as North Carolina, Duke, Michigan State and Kansas shows, is critical.
The hardest part of "getting there" to blue blood status is patience. Coach Wojo inherited a dumpster fire and by all measures has cleaned it up, removed the toxins and started us on our way. It remains to be seen how he leverages what we has and will have over the next few years. But, if the talent gels and he gets our team to play as a unit, I'm confident Coach Wojo has a chance to move us into elite status.
I've heard that Al saw the changes that were coming and it had a lot to do with his resignation.
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All we have to do is convince dozens of top-tier teams to not go into the inner cities and recruit black kids, and we can get back to where we were in the Al Era.
Gard already got the message...
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Gard already got the message...
Yes, but did he get the massage?
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Who looks more beat down?
Izzo - higher expectations, perhaps.
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Hope Barry gives Gard 5 more years.
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#Gard4Life
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Hope Barry gives Gard 5 more years.
I'm conflicted ...
My instinct is to hope that Bucky's nose gets rubbed into it and they lose their last 8 straight and have 21 losses going into the B1G tourney.
But ... I want Gard to stick around. So should I root for a couple of upsets?
What should I do????
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I've heard that Al saw the changes that were coming and it had a lot to do with his resignation.
Nope. Al wanted to make some cash. He was 47, he knew it was getting past time to earn.
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I'm conflicted ...
My instinct is to hope that Bucky's nose gets rubbed into it and they lose their last 8 straight and have 21 losses going into the B1G tourney.
But ... I want Gard to stick around. So should I root for a couple of upsets?
What should I do????
I root for them to keep on losing, and for Gard to get a long extension. Call me greedy....
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We are staying neck and neck for 5 losses between the programs NICE!
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Nerds rule
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Solid 52 point performance tonight for becky
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Pritzl 0-11 from the field lol
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At least the Badgers suck
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They are on a four-game losing streak
Their last seven
(probability of winning is from http://www.barttorvik.com/teamcast.php?team=Wisconsin&year=2018)
@ MD 2/4 (17%)
@ ILL 2/8 (32%)
vs 24 MICH 2/11 (30%)
vs 3 PUR 2/15 (11%)
vs MINN 2/19 (38%)
@ NW 2/22 (27%)
vs 5 MSU 2/25 (16%)
They are not favored in any of the remaining games.
0-11 to finish a 10-21 season.
At this point, the only question is if Gard is fired before the season ends.
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This site allows you to play with scenarios.
http://www.barttorvik.com/teamcast.php?team=Wisconsin&year=2018
If Bucky loses the next seven, as they are expected to do, MU is the fourth team out of the NCAA tourney (Bucky is 123 out ... boy do I like writing this!!)
But, if Bucky wins out their next 7 (yes, not happening), it raises Mu's SoS enough that we are in the NCAA tourney (instead of 4th out). Bucky goes from 123 out to 18th out.
Damm you Bucky, you are like toxic sludge, you infect everyone that plays you and makes them worse!!!
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This site allows you to play with scenarios.
http://www.barttorvik.com/teamcast.php?team=Wisconsin&year=2018
If Bucky loses the next seven, as they are expected to do, MU is the fourth team out of the NCAA tourney (Bucky is 123 out ... boy do I like writing this!!)
But, if Bucky wins out their next 7 (yes, not happening), it raises Mu's SoS enough that we are in the NCAA tourney (instead of 4th out). Bucky goes from 123 out to 18th out.
Damm you Bucky, you are like toxic sludge, you infect everyone that plays you and makes them worse!!!
We need to stop playing those mid-major Ivy wannabes.
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Nobal Days has a really unique, weird stat line. Something like 9 PPG, 14 RPG, 6 APG, 4 BPG, 2 SPG, 3.5 TO, and really poor shooting splits. 43% FG 60%-ish FT and 4-17 3 FG at last check.
Those stats tell me Days is very raw offensively. Might be a roll player but not a star. So Days is way down my list.
Aside from the awesome rebounding number, the stat that jumped out at me was 6 assists for a big man. From that and the turnover and poor shooting, I'm guessing that he is regularly double and occasionally triple teamed. Truly good players find a way to overcome that, but he may not be as hapless as his shooting stats would normally indicate.
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People talk about Gard getting fired as a good thing for Wisconsin, but the system that Bo installed and that has been continued by Gard has given Wisconsin basketball a tremendous amount of sucess for a program of its stature. Yes, they are bad this year - they have a poor junior class and Gard swung and missed on 2018, so they'll suffer for a while, but if they get rid of Gard for a new coach, the nature of the program will likely change and there is no guarantee that Wisconsin will be as competitive running a more traditional type program. The smart move might be to provide Gard with the time to rebuild while continuing with Bo's design for the program.
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People talk about Gard getting fired as a good thing for Wisconsin, but the system that Bo installed and that has been continued by Gard has given Wisconsin basketball a tremendous amount of sucess for a program of its stature. Yes, they are bad this year - they have a poor junior class and Gard swung and missed on 2018, so they'll suffer for a while, but if they get rid of Gard for a new coach, the nature of the program will likely change and there is no guarantee that Wisconsin will be as competitive running a more traditional type program. The smart move might be to provide Gard with the time to rebuild while continuing with Bo's design for the program.
It's certainly the smart thing to do....but I would never accuse a Badger fan of being such a thing.
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It's certainly the smart thing to do....but I would never accuse a Badger fan of being such a thing.
I'd give him one more year chalking this partly up to injury.
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I'd give him one more year chalking this partly up to injury.
I’d agree in normal circumstances. However, based on the events leading to his hire and Barry’s ego, I’m not so sure.
I think he gets one more year. He did coach them to two Sweet Sixteens. Granted, he had a ton of seasoned veterans on those teams.
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I’d agree in normal circumstances. However, based on the events leading to his hire and Barry’s ego, I’m not so sure.
I think he gets one more year. He did coach them to two Sweet Sixteens. Granted, he had a ton of seasoned veterans on those teams.
I do not know how much better they will be next year due to the fact no one knows what Happ will do? With the 2 injuries to 2 decent players he will have a pass
for a year and if he can recruit some kids the following year he might get another pass. If Happ leaves they will be bad, not sure who will be at the center position.
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I’d agree in normal circumstances. However, based on the events leading to his hire and Barry’s ego, I’m not so sure.
I think he gets one more year. He did coach them to two Sweet Sixteens. Granted, he had a ton of seasoned veterans on those teams.
Interesting how much grace many of our fans give to Wojo, yet think Gard with two Sweet 16 appearances should get fired after 1 bad season, that has been gutted with injuries. We've yet to have a significant injury to ANY of our players under Wojo's tenure. We just got blasted at home by Butler, down 30 points with 10 minutes left (in Year 4), and many don't feel the "seat" should even be at 1 degree Kelvin.
I see some improvement in Wojo as a coach, but he set a pretty low benchmark based on his coaching in Years 1 and 2. Like the talent pipeline into the program, good kids, feel this year's team should be a SOLID NCAA caliber team, yet miss this year AND next year's team can't advance into round of 32 or 16? Think ADMIN seriously needs to consider moving on.
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It's certainly the smart thing to do....but I would never accuse a Badger fan of being such a thing.
The problem, is Badger fans think they can run out and hire Tony Bennett or someone else big.
I'm not besmirching the success of the Badger program, as much as I hate them, they've had a fantastic run over the last 15 years. However, its not elevated them as they think. Its still a viewed as a niche program, top recruits aren't running there, and they won't have the tractor beam pull on top candidates. I think it will be like when Bielema left the football program. They were talking Chris Peterson and other top tier names and they got Gary Anderson. It turned out alright for them, but there is no high level coach in basketball thats the equivalent of Chryst for them, maybe Saul Phillips but thats a stretch and wouldn't be the sexy hire they think they have.
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Interesting how much grace many of our fans give to Wojo, yet think Gard with two Sweet 16 appearances should get fired after 1 bad season, that has been gutted with injuries. We've yet to have a significant injury to ANY of our players under Wojo's tenure. We just got blasted at home by Butler, down 30 points with 10 minutes left (in Year 4), and many don't feel the "seat" should even be at 1 degree Kelvin.
I see some improvement in Wojo as a coach, but he set a pretty low benchmark based on his coaching in Years 1 and 2. Like the talent pipeline into the program, good kids, feel this year's team should be a SOLID NCAA caliber team, yet miss this year AND next year's team can't advance into round of 32 or 16? Think ADMIN seriously needs to consider moving on.
Wojo's seat shouldn't be 1 degree Kelvin because it was just one game. There's a lot of basketball left to played. He got us into the tournament last year, which was the expectation. This year, the expectation should also be getting us into the tournament. And next year, there is a lot of talent coming in. If we miss the tournament next year than yes, Wojo's seat should warm up.
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Interesting how much grace many of our fans give to Wojo, yet think Gard with two Sweet 16 appearances should get fired after 1 bad season, that has been gutted with injuries. We've yet to have a significant injury to ANY of our players under Wojo's tenure. We just got blasted at home by Butler, down 30 points with 10 minutes left (in Year 4), and many don't feel the "seat" should even be at 1 degree Kelvin.
I see some improvement in Wojo as a coach, but he set a pretty low benchmark based on his coaching in Years 1 and 2. Like the talent pipeline into the program, good kids, feel this year's team should be a SOLID NCAA caliber team, yet miss this year AND next year's team can't advance into round of 32 or 16? Think ADMIN seriously needs to consider moving on.
I personally don’t think Gard should be fired and should get at least one more year to prove he can recruit. I think Bo’s Favre-like retirement hurt their recruiting more than their fans want to admit. Granted, Gard has had some misses.
Herro leaving and the poor Hauser strategy is probably more the cause of the angst than their on the court performance. They could have wrote this off as injuries and big losses from graduation. The future isn’t super bright and Happ transferring would make it tough to see next year being any better.
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Interesting how much grace many of our fans give to Wojo, yet think Gard with two Sweet 16 appearances should get fired after 1 bad season, that has been gutted with injuries. We've yet to have a significant injury to ANY of our players under Wojo's tenure. We just got blasted at home by Butler, down 30 points with 10 minutes left (in Year 4), and many don't feel the "seat" should even be at 1 degree Kelvin.
I see some improvement in Wojo as a coach, but he set a pretty low benchmark based on his coaching in Years 1 and 2. Like the talent pipeline into the program, good kids, feel this year's team should be a SOLID NCAA caliber team, yet miss this year AND next year's team can't advance into round of 32 or 16? Think ADMIN seriously needs to consider moving on.
I don't think many scoopers think he "should" get fired. But whether fair or not, the perception is that Barry Alvarez didn't want to hire Gard but was forced to because of how Bo left. So some believe the Alvarez is looking for any excuse to fire Gard. I have no idea if this is true or not.
I will say though that the difference between the Gard and Wojo situation is recruiting. With Wojo we have always been able to look ahead and say "with those recruits, next year looks better than this year." Gard on the other hand struck out big time on the 2018 class.
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I'm as guilty as any of us, but until we actually win a game or two, we should probably stop posting on the demise of the Badgers.
At least wait until we get above .500 in conference, then fire away!
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Interesting how much grace many of our fans give to Wojo, yet think Gard with two Sweet 16 appearances should get fired after 1 bad season, that has been gutted with injuries. We've yet to have a significant injury to ANY of our players under Wojo's tenure. We just got blasted at home by Butler, down 30 points with 10 minutes left (in Year 4), and many don't feel the "seat" should even be at 1 degree Kelvin.
I see some improvement in Wojo as a coach, but he set a pretty low benchmark based on his coaching in Years 1 and 2. Like the talent pipeline into the program, good kids, feel this year's team should be a SOLID NCAA caliber team, yet miss this year AND next year's team can't advance into round of 32 or 16? Think ADMIN seriously needs to consider moving on.
We've known how you have felt for quite some time.
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People talk about Gard getting fired as a good thing for Wisconsin, but the system that Bo installed and that has been continued by Gard has given Wisconsin basketball a tremendous amount of sucess for a program of its stature. Yes, they are bad this year - they have a poor junior class and Gard swung and missed on 2018, so they'll suffer for a while, but if they get rid of Gard for a new coach, the nature of the program will likely change and there is no guarantee that Wisconsin will be as competitive running a more traditional type program. The smart move might be to provide Gard with the time to rebuild while continuing with Bo's design for the program.
Bo's system only works if the coaching staff can impart the skills necessary to win. Bo won everywhere he was because the dude could flat out coach. He made good players better and made them play as a team. If Gard can't do that, Bo's system is worthless.
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They are on a four-game losing streak
Their last seven
(probability of winning is from http://www.barttorvik.com/teamcast.php?team=Wisconsin&year=2018)
@ MD 2/4 (17%)
@ ILL 2/8 (32%)
vs 24 MICH 2/11 (30%)
vs 3 PUR 2/15 (11%)
vs MINN 2/19 (38%)
@ NW 2/22 (27%)
vs 5 MSU 2/25 (16%)
They are not favored in any of the remaining games.
0-11 to finish a 10-21 season.
At this point, the only question is if Gard is fired before the season ends.
Given those percentages, there's a 13% chance to go 0-7 in those games.
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I'm as guilty as any of us, but until we actually win a game or two, we should probably stop posting on the demise of the Badgers.
At least wait until we get above .500 in conference, then fire away!
I'd like it noted that that Wojo had one losing season and that was after having a gutted roster and having to rebuild on the fly. Gard was handled the keys to the castle and has cratered the roster (yes there are injuries but even with those players health they look bad next year) AFTER two years of S16s which followed two FFs from his predecessor.
Not to mention the Big 10 is garbage this year, if we were in the Big 10 I guarantee we'd have a winning conference record at this point.
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Bo's system only works if the coaching staff can impart the skills necessary to win. Bo won everywhere he was because the dude could flat out coach. He made good players better and made them play as a team. If Gard can't do that, Bo's system is worthless.
Agree 100%. Bo coached up mediocre players. He was an outstanding game coach.
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Agree 100%. Bo coached up mediocre players. He was an outstanding game coach.
Also a good recruiter... especially for his sysrem. A decent amount of good x-o coaches out there who cant recruit or have a bad eye for their system.
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Also a good recruiter... especially for his sysrem. A decent amount of good x-o coaches out there who cant recruit or have a bad eye for their system.
Though, Gard and Close did most of that. Bo was not on the road that much.
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Though, Gard and Close did most of that. Bo was not on the road that much.
And Paris. Losing him is going to be a blow to UW.
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This made me laugh: https://twitter.com/nicknosko_13/status/959621602861309958
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Hope Barry gives Gard 5 more years.
If Barry gives Gard 5 more years, it's because he's rebounded from a down year and has them back on track to be what they were under Bo. Gard won't last 5 more years like this.
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Barry was forced to hire Gard, but he also gave Gard a raise and a new contract. To fire Gard now would be like Barry admitting he was wrong in giving Gard a long-term contract.
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Barry was forced to hire Gard, but he also gave Gard a raise and a new contract. To fire Gard now would be like Barry admitting he was wrong in giving Gard a long-term contract.
He has a buy out of $2.5 million after this year, decreasing by $500k each year.
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Interesting how much grace many of our fans give to Wojo, yet think Gard with two Sweet 16 appearances should get fired after 1 bad season, that has been gutted with injuries. We've yet to have a significant injury to ANY of our players under Wojo's tenure. We just got blasted at home by Butler, down 30 points with 10 minutes left (in Year 4), and many don't feel the "seat" should even be at 1 degree Kelvin.
I see some improvement in Wojo as a coach, but he set a pretty low benchmark based on his coaching in Years 1 and 2. Like the talent pipeline into the program, good kids, feel this year's team should be a SOLID NCAA caliber team, yet miss this year AND next year's team can't advance into round of 32 or 16? Think ADMIN seriously needs to consider moving on.
Maybe you need to convene another beer summit to sort it out.
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ners doesn't have beer summits. Chicos has beer summits. Floorslapper posts like ners. ergo, no beer summit.
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ners doesn't have beer summits. Chicos has beer summits. Floorslapper posts like ners. ergo, no beer summit.
FroYo summit is the operative term with ners.
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Bucky chokes up another one at Maryland. They have lost 5 in a row and counting.
10-15 (3-10) is now solidly into the last four of the B1G so they can lose on day one of the B1G tourneys and have their season end in February (February 28).
Not many Power 5 teams are done for the year in February. Bucky could have that honor this year.
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Through November 24 (UWM) Happ attempted four 3-pointers, missing all of them. They were largely shot clock bailouts.
Then 16 straight games without an attempt. But in Happ's last three games ...
Jan 29 Nebraska 1 -4 in three-pointers (only make of the year)
Feb 1 Northwestern 0 -0 in three-pointers
Feb 4 Maryland 0 -2 in three-pointers
Why is he chucking it all of sudden? Does he not care anymore? Is he bored?
Is he trying to show he has range in the last few games? That way he can get a look from some pro-teams, or more interest as a grad transfer?
Or, even though he went 16 straight games without a single 3P attempt, and has 6 in the last three games (week), don't read too much into it?
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With the Badgers being so crappy, is it too much to ask for MU to be slightly above average?
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Through November 24 (UWM) Happ attempted four 3-pointers, missing all of them. They were largely shot clock bailouts.
Then 16 straight games without an attempt. But in Happ's last three games ...
Jan 29 Nebraska 1 -4 in three-pointers (only make of the year)
Feb 1 Northwestern 0 -0 in three-pointers
Feb 4 Maryland 0 -2 in three-pointers
Why is he chucking it all of sudden? Does he not care anymore? Is he bored?
Is he trying to show he has range in the last few games? That way he can get a look from some pro-teams, or more interest as a grad transfer?
Or, even though he went 16 straight games without a single 3P attempt, and has 6 in the last three games (week), don't read too much into it?
So he had one game where he attempted 4 three pointers and since then has attempted 1 per game? And I saw one of the attempts today, and it was a catch and shoot at the buzzer of the shot clock of a broken possession. Not sure if the other was just choosing to do it in the middle of an offensive set or what, but I'm not sure 1 three point attempt per game following a game where he attempted more than his norm is "chucking it all of a sudden."
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With the Badgers being so crappy, is it too much to ask for MU to be slightly above average?
Marquette is slightly above average.
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What’s the last year that no team from WI made the NCAA Tournament, 1998? Streak coming to an end.
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What’s the last year that no team from WI made the NCAA Tournament, 1998? Streak coming to an end.
Maybe Milwaukee or Green Bay get hot and win the Horizon Tourney.
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FroYo summit is the operative term with ners.
Naw, it's a Fischer Price Hoop dunk contest summit for Ners
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Bucky's worst loss in Kohl-Hole history was a 25 point spanking handed out by Ohio State earlier this season.
The second worst loss in Kohl-Hole history was a 19 point loss to Marquette a week later (December).
The third worst loss was a 17 point loss to Michigan State in 2000.
Today, at the half, Bucky is down 20 to Michigan, only scoring 22 in the first half.
Will Bucky get the Kohl-Hole trifecta?
Please, Barry, need five years to judge Gard ... bring him back!
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Bucky's worst loss in Kohl-Hole history was a 25 point spanking handed out by Ohio State earlier this season.
The second worst loss in Kohl-Hole history was a 19 point loss to the Marquette a week later (December).
The third worst loss was a 17 point loss to Michigan State in 2000.
Today, at the half, Bucky is down 20 to Michigan, only scoring 22 in the first half.
Will Bucky get the Kohl-Hole trifecta?
Please, Barry, need five years to judge Gard ... bring him back!
Amidst MU's rough patch right now, this is keeping me semi happy.
I again want NCAA. But NIT for MU is better than no tourney at all for Bucky.
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They have a bunch of recruits there today as well.A fine performance for them to see.
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They have a bunch of recruits there today as well.A fine performance for them to see.
Recruits will see plenty of opportunity for playing time.
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Recruits will see plenty of opportunity for playing time.
The first question a recruit will have after this game for Gard ... any idea who will be the coach here in October?
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The first question a recruit will have after this game for Gard ... any idea who will be the coach here in October?
The rodents are a dumpster fire on a downward trend right now, but I don't see how he gets fired after one losing season following two tournament bids. I'm guessing (and most certainly hoping) that they keep him around at least one more season.
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Recruits will see plenty of opportunity for playing time.
Agreed, Lenny.
We Warriors are not in the best position to gloat about F%cky's fortunes ... though I do admit that I like seeing them and ND stumble about.
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Ya can throw MU in da all gone machine too, aina?
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Ya can throw MU in da all gone machine too, aina?
Maybe for this year (though maybe not), but I think most objective basketball observers would take MU's future over F%cky's.
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WI 57 - Purdue 53. How did that happen?
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3 game losing streak for Purdue.. Shooting like 30%during that time... Frank the Tank night... Not surprised 8-)
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Kind of an embarassing court storm. Indecisive, not a top 5 team, 11-16 on the season. I'll take ours from last year. 8-)
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Are we not just the worst team in the Big East, but also in the state of Wisconsin?! 😭
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Was at the game. Purdue was terrible, exact opposite of how they played us in November. Interestingly, no Bo with any of the Kaminsky stuff. Wasn't there, no interview during the video tribute, nothing.
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Actually nice for us they could end up a tier 2 win. Gotta win some games for it to matter of course.
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Actually nice for us they could end up a tier 2 win. Gotta win some games for it to matter of course.
Yep
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Was at the game. Purdue was terrible, exact opposite of how they played us in November. Interestingly, no Bo with any of the Kaminsky stuff. Wasn't there, no interview during the video tribute, nothing.
This^^^^
Bo sucks
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Was at the game. Purdue was terrible, exact opposite of how they played us in November. Interestingly, no Bo with any of the Kaminsky stuff. Wasn't there, no interview during the video tribute, nothing.
Wow—Bo never disappoints hey?
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Doesn't MU have a 5 year rule for retiring jerseys? You'd think a program like Wisconsin would wait a little while longer to retire Kaminsky's number. Did they just need to find some kind of bright spot for the fans this season?
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Doesn't MU have a 5 year rule for retiring jerseys? You'd think a program like Wisconsin would wait a little while longer to retire Kaminsky's number. Did they just need to find some kind of bright spot for the fans this season?
Last time I checked 2003 to 2006 was less than three years.
MU also had a graduation requirement. So much for that.
Glass houses.....
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Doesn't MU have a 5 year rule for retiring jerseys? You'd think a program like Wisconsin would wait a little while longer to retire Kaminsky's number. Did they just need to find some kind of bright spot for the fans this season?
For a National POY, I don't think you really need to have a waiting period.
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Kaminsky jersey retirement was beyond well deserved. He shouldn’t have had to wait.
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Are we not just the worst team in the Big East, but also in the state of Wisconsin?! 😭
Yep, Wisconsin beat Purdue...Fire Wojo!
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Yep, Wisconsin beat Purdue...Fire Wojo!
But wait - the law of transitive properties -
We beat Wisconsin
Wisconsin beat Purdue
Marquette>Purdue
We're a top ten team, baby!
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But wait - the law of transitive properties -
We beat Wisconsin
Wisconsin beat Purdue
Marquette>Purdue
We're a top ten team, baby!
Similar to Bill Walton's Formula to determine # One. I'm In.
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Signature wynn for Bucky, props. Luv 'em or hate 'em #44's accolades are well deserved. Wish wee had won like him now, hey?
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Doesn't MU have a 5 year rule for retiring jerseys? You'd think a program like Wisconsin would wait a little while longer to retire Kaminsky's number. Did they just need to find some kind of bright spot for the fans this season?
I don't even understand why this matters?
If MU has a guy in the near future who leads us to back to back Final Four runs and wins NPOY, I don't care when they retire his jersey.
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At first glance I thought it was retired too quickly. Upon further review, he really was a helluva of college basketball player. while it might have been rushed a bit, a well deserved honor.
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Are we not just the worst team in the Big East, but also in the state of Wisconsin?! 😭
No. We kicked Bucky's ass head to head this season, in their hole. Question answered, decisively.
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At first glance I thought it was retired too quickly. Upon further review, he really was a helluva of college basketball player. while it might have been rushed a bit, a well deserved honor.
Completely agree that it's deserved. Just seems quick. Apparently plenty of others disagree.
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Seeing this made my day....and it's a two-for-one!
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-02-20/march-madness-no-wisconsin-no-notre-dame-here-are-surprising
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Seeing this made my day....and it's a two-for-one!
https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2018-02-20/march-madness-no-wisconsin-no-notre-dame-here-are-surprising
Just perfect.
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Pains me to say it but we REALLY want Wisconsin to win 1 of their final 2. Best chance is tonight @ Northwestern.
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Pains me to say it but we REALLY want Wisconsin to win 1 of their final 2. Best chance is tonight @ Northwestern.
>:(
I decline. A possible quadrant bump for one game isn't worth compromising my principles that much.
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I decline. A possible quadrant bump for one game isn't worth compromising my principles that much.
Don't think I'll actually be able to stomach cheering for them, but it'll be a nice little consolation if they do win.
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My Motto .... Gard needs 5!
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My Motto .... Gard needs 5!
At least. After all, he's a local kid....
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I see it as rooting for Marquette’s best interest. It would be nice if the Badgers could be useful this year and look like more than just a buy game on our resume.
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Pains me to say it but we REALLY want Wisconsin to win 1 of their final 2. Best chance is tonight @ Northwestern.
I agree. Wouldn't mind them getting one in the B10 Tourney too. Just to make sure they stay Q2. And if they look hot late, maybe it encourages them to keep Gard around another season or 10.
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Students at UW at it again. Apparently students were directly texting Andy Van Vliet telling him he sucks, he should quit basketball, and he should leave the country. Stay classy.
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Good news everyone!
I ran the numbers. Even if Wisconsin were to lose to Michigan State and somehow get matched up with Rutgers in the B1G tourney and lose....they will still have a good enough RPI to be a Q2 victory.
Please resume normal Bucky schadenfreude
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Whoops wrong thread
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Good news everyone!
I ran the numbers. Even if Wisconsin were to lose to Michigan State and somehow get matched up with Rutgers in the B1G tourney and lose....they will still have a good enough RPI to be a Q2 victory.
Please resume normal Bucky schadenfreude
So you're saying my cheering for them last night was enough and I can go back to hating them?
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So you're saying my cheering for them last night was enough and I can go back to hating them?
Yep!
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Good news everyone!
I ran the numbers. Even if Wisconsin were to lose to Michigan State and somehow get matched up with Rutgers in the B1G tourney and lose....they will still have a good enough RPI to be a Q2 victory.
Please resume normal Bucky schadenfreude
And Wisconsin is locked into the 8/9 game against Maryland. If they win, they play Michigan State. Don't think we need to worry about them playing Rutgers!
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Whoops wrong thread
Not really, works here too. We can now go back to our regularly F UWM lose mode ;D
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Bucky plays Maryland today in the B1G tourney at 11AM CT. A loss and Bucky's season is over.
Then the real tourney can start ... will Gard be fired, will Happ transfer?
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Bucky plays Maryland today in the B1G tourney at 11AM CT. A loss and Bucky's season is over.
Then the real tourney can start ... will Gard be fired, will Happ transfer?
Badgers should have a good chance to win today. They have been more competitive recently and Maryland has been going in the opposite direction. They trailed Michigan by 30 at halftime in their final home game last Saturday.
Then Michigan State should put them away.
I would say “no” to both of your questions.
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Bucky plays Maryland today in the B1G tourney at 11AM CT. A loss and Bucky's season is over.
Then the real tourney can start ... will Gard be fired, will Happ transfer?
LOL no he wont be fired. This is him dealing with Bo ryans piss pour recruiting similar to what Buzz left Wojo. They will be back in the tourny next year.
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Gard will not be fired...this year. Happ will not transfer.
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LOL no he wont be fired. This is him dealing with Bo ryans piss pour recruiting similar to what Buzz left Wojo. They will be back in the tourny next year.
I'll do my best to embarrass you with this next year.
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I'll do my best to embarrass you with this next year.
You do realize they were down 2 starters right?
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You do realize they were down 2 starters right?
Trice and Kane were not that good, to begin with. Davidson, who is thoroughly unimpressive, was ranked much higher than King.
Their incoming (2018) class is ranked 74th, and 12th in the Big 10. For comparison, Depaul's incoming class is ranked 45th.
https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Season/2018-Basketball/Commits
The 2017 class was Davidson, McGrory, King and Reuvers. The highest rated recruit was Reuvers, a top 100 guy, we'll see about him, saw nothing yet this year. McGrory is useless, in over his head. Should transfer to South Dakota State or Brown, two other schools that were interested in him.
https://247sports.com/college/wisconsin/Season/2017-Basketball/Commits
Right now, they are looking at several years of no postseason ... although they will improve enough to think they are a bubble team next year.
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Some of my Bucky co-workers believe Davison in today's JS article: they will win the BIG10 tourney and get the auto bid.
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Some of my Bucky co-workers believe Davison in today's JS article: they will win the BIG10 tourney and get the auto bid.
If that wet dream actually happens, then the B1G sucks and the conference deserve three bids, four tops (Bucky getting one). That opens up two or three more bubble spots.
I personally think Northwestern is winning the B1G.
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If that wet dream actually happens, then the B1G sucks and the conference deserve three bids, four tops (Bucky getting one). That opens up two or three more bubble spots.
I personally think Northwestern is winning the B1G.
Without Vic Law?
Minnesota has as good of a chance as Northwestern, and they already lost.
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Without Vic Law?
Minnesota has as good of a chance as Northwestern, and they already lost.
Yeah, NW sucks. Iowa could win a couple games. Penn State is the only team outside of the field that I think is capable of winning it.
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Bucky plays Maryland today in the B1G tourney at 11AM CT. A loss and Bucky's season is over.
Then the real tourney can start ... will Gard be fired, will Happ transfer?
I get a kick out of the folks on this board who think Wojo is just fine and preach patience, but Gard should be fired. Wake me up when Wojo makes two Sweet 16's.
Gard and Wisconsin's future outlook is not nearly as bad as many on this board want to believe. They will probably be back in the tournament next season unless they get hammered with injuries again or Happ moves on. And Happ isn't going to transfer and I don't see how he gets draft, so he'll probably be back.
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I get a kick out of the folks on this board who think Wojo is just fine and preach patience, but Gard should be fired. Wake me up when Wojo makes two Sweet 16's.
Gard and Wisconsin's future outlook is not nearly as bad as many on this board want to believe. They will probably be back in the tournament next season unless they get hammered with injuries again or Happ moves on. And Happ isn't going to transfer and I don't see how he gets draft, so he'll be probably be back.
Wojo would've been to 2 Sweet 16s if he was left with Happ, Koenig, and Hayes too. The trajectory of UW since Gard took over has been straight down. The trajectory of Marquette since Wojo took over has been up. The two situations aren't remotely comparable.
Pretending that injuries are the reason that they had a bad season this year is a joke. If you're relying on D'Mitrik Trice and a freshman Kobe King to be your difference makers, well, that tells you everything you need to know about where the program stands. Kobe King might end up having a decent career for the Badgers, but he's certainly far from great right now.
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I get a kick out of the folks on this board who think Wojo is just fine and preach patience, but Gard should be fired. Wake me up when Wojo makes two Sweet 16's.
Gard and Wisconsin's future outlook is not nearly as bad as many on this board want to believe. They will probably be back in the tournament next season unless they get hammered with injuries again or Happ moves on. And Happ isn't going to transfer and I don't see how he gets draft, so he'll be probably be back.
Happ probably won't be drafted next year either. He has no outside shot and isn't an athletic rebounder & rim protector. Happ doesn't fit the modern NBA. So, the question is, does Happ want to add an extra year of earning power to the beginning of his overseas career or stay in college? If college, does Happ want to stay at Wisconsin (a bubble team) or grad transfer to a team with a higher ceiling?
I have no idea what is in Happ's mind but all three scenarios are plausible and whatever he chooses wouldn't surprise me.
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If Happ comes back (likely IMHO), they have no significant injuries, and no significant defections they could be back in the tourney next season.
I wouldn't put money on it but it's not the craziest idea.
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Wojo would've been to 2 Sweet 16s if he was left with Happ, Koenig, and Hayes too. The trajectory of UW since Gard took over has been straight down. The trajectory of Marquette since Wojo took over has been up. The two situations aren't remotely comparable.
Pretending that injuries are the reason that they had a bad season this year is a joke. If you're relying on D'Mitrik Trice and a freshman Kobe King to be your difference makers, well, that tells you everything you need to know about where the program stands. Kobe King might end up having a decent career for the Badgers, but he's certainly far from great right now.
When Gard took over the team they were under .500 believe and he led them into the tourney and to the Sweet 16. I don't know how that is going straight down? They lost 4 starting Seniors whose careers included 2 final fours and 2 sweet sixteens, and then played the majority of their season without their starting PG and 6th man. Please lay out the non Dukes, Kentuckys, and Kansas' who wouldn't have a down season from that.
If there was a grad transfer PG available who was the 6th man on a Sweet 16 team and shot 40% from three, how many times would he be mentioned as someone MU should target on here? That's what Trice was his one full season, and I'm not even a big fan on his. King is going to be a very good player. I would take UW's current Freshmen class over MU's and I like our Freshmen. Davison, King, and Reuvers all have talent.
Not saying they are going back to a Final Four anytime soon but their demise by so many on here is quite the exaggeration, especially considering the lack of what Wojo and MU have accomplished the past 5 years.
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When Gard took over the team they were under .500 believe and he led them into the tourney and to the Sweet 16. I don't know how that is going straight down? They lost 4 starting Seniors whose careers included 2 final fours and 2 sweet sixteens, and then played the majority of their season without their starting PG and 6th man. Please lay out the non Dukes, Kentuckys, and Kansas' who wouldn't have a down season from that.
If there was a grad transfer PG available who was the 6th man on a Sweet 16 team and shot 40% from three, how many times would he be mentioned as someone MU should target on here? That's what Trice was his one full season, and I'm not even a big fan on his. King is going to be a very good player. I would take UW's current Freshmen class over MU's and I like our Freshmen. Davison, King, and Reuvers all have talent.
Not saying they are going back to a Final Four anytime soon but their demise by so many on here is quite the exaggeration, especially considering the lack of what Wojo and MU have accomplished the past 5 years.
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Trice's freshman season is a bit deceiving. He was red hot in the non-con but his B1G numbers were awful: 34.4% FG and 31.7% 3FG. He'll be better than trotting out a walk-on but I don't think he's all that great.
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I would take UW's current Freshmen class over MU's
I would disagree. Davison's a one trick pony with his flopping that refs and badger fans have already figured out and are getting tired of. Reuvers should have red shirted, don't know his ceiling until he puts on some weight. King has the highest potential of the class, but coming back from knee surgery is always tricky.
Theo may not have the outside shooting that Reuvers has, but is miles ahead physically and is a better post player. Both Greg and Jamal are better than Davison defensively and both have a higher ceiling offensively. Ike and King are both question marks that cancel each other out. King has a higher ceiling, but at this point we have pretty much seen the same things from them, nothing. Its not a bad class for UW, certainly better than the last two classes they've had, but I'd take ousr 7 days a week.
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I would disagree. Davison's a one trick pony with his flopping that refs and badger fans have already figured out and are getting tired of. Reuvers should have red shirted, don't know his ceiling until he puts on some weight. King has the highest potential of the class, but coming back from knee surgery is always tricky.
Theo may not have the outside shooting that Reuvers has, but is miles ahead physically and is a better post player. Both Greg and Jamal are better than Davison defensively and both have a higher ceiling offensively. Ike and King are both question marks that cancel each other out. King has a higher ceiling, but at this point we have pretty much seen the same things from them, nothing. Its not a bad class for UW, certainly better than the last two classes they've had, but I'd take ousr 7 days a week.
I would take MU's class but UW's is solid. King is going to be good. Davison is a good shot maker already and will only improve. Reuvers has skill, needs to get a lot bigger.
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I would take MU's class but UW's is solid. King is going to be good. Davison is a good shot maker already and will only improve. Reuvers has skill, needs to get a lot bigger.
King has potential but anyone who has only played 10 games, and is coming off knee surgery has to be considered a question mark.
If I were to rank the combined classes in terms of potential it would be:
1) Jamal
2) Kobe
3) Greg
4) Davison
5) Theo
6)Reuvers
7)Ike
8) McGory a long ways off from Ike
Overall I'd give MU the edge, although as I said UW doesn't have a bad class, its better than both of the previous two years. Also if we're looking at overall projection for the programs our incoming class is better than theirs and its not even close. I expect us to beat them at least the next two years.
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I would disagree. Davison's a one trick pony with his flopping that refs and badger fans have already figured out and are getting tired of. Reuvers should have red shirted, don't know his ceiling until he puts on some weight. King has the highest potential of the class, but coming back from knee surgery is always tricky.
I think Davison has looked pretty good throughout the season. Inconsistent as a freshman, but he will be a solid four year guy for them. I mean, he just dropped 30 against MSU on Sunday.
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I think Davison has looked pretty good throughout the season. Inconsistent as a freshman, but he will be a solid four year guy for them. I mean, he just dropped 30 against MSU on Sunday.
I think his scoring will pretty much stay the same next year, but his minutes will be down slightly with Trice and King back, his efficiency will go up, because of this. He'll probably be better than I made him sound initially, I just can't stand his flopping. I would still take Greg over him.
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It would be just like Wisconsin (or any other team in any other sport I don't like) to stink all year and go and win the Big Ten Tournament to get into the NCAA and keep their damn streak alive. I'm probably 50-50 that they'll do it. It sure would be nice to put the final nail in the coffin in the next hour. Let's go Maryland.
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He's a prick but I'd take Davison on my team every damn day.
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He's a prick but I'd take Davison on my team every damn day.
Over who on our current roster?
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It would be just like Wisconsin (or any other team in any other sport I don't like) to stink all year and go and win the Big Ten Tournament to get into the NCAA and keep their damn streak alive. I'm probably 50-50 that they'll do it. It sure would be nice to put the final nail in the coffin in the next hour. Let's go Maryland.
Don't we want them to beat Maryland to completely ice them out of the bubble and boost our win a little?
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I think his scoring will pretty much stay the same next year, but his minutes will be down slightly with Trice and King back, his efficiency will go up, because of this. He'll probably be better than I made him sound initially, I just can't stand his flopping. I would still take Greg over him.
I would take Greg over him too. But you called him a "one trick pony." I think he's more complete than that.
And I wouldn't take him over anyone on our roster right now.
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I would take Greg over him too. But you called him a "one trick pony." I think he's more complete than that.
And I wouldn't take him over anyone on our roster right now.
One trick pony was a bad choice of words, but you know that you flop a lot when badger fans are starting to notice it too.
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They haven't given up and they've actually progressed as the season went along. Before they won 4 out of 5 and fought hard vs MSU, I think you could have made a case for firing Gard but now I think he's shown he can keep and team and help it improve.
They should be back to being respectable. However losing Sam, Joey & Herro will cost them the big NCAA success that they enjoyed from 2014-17.
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They haven't given up and they've actually progressed as the season went along. Before they won 4 out of 5 and fought hard vs MSU, I think you could have made a case for firing Gard but now I think he's shown he can keep and team and help it improve.
They should be back to being respectable. However losing Sam, Joey & Herro will cost them the big NCAA success that they enjoyed from 2014-17.
They've benefited from a weakened B14. Purdue was a big win, but Illinois, Northwestern and Minnesota aren't exactly tearing it up this year either. Next year I predict NIT if Happ stays, no postseason if he leaves, but it also depends on how much other B14 teams improve/ regress from this year to next. I don't follow the B14 close enough to know much about this.
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They've benefited from a weakened B14. Purdue was a big win, but Illinois, Northwestern and Minnesota aren't exactly tearing it up this year either. Next year I predict NIT if Happ stays, no postseason if he leaves, but it also depends on how much other B14 teams improve/ regress from this year to next. I don't follow the B14 close enough to know much about this.
Completely agree that competition is soft...but that's life in the Big Ten. No reason to think it will change next season. It's a watered down league.
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It would be just like Wisconsin (or any other team in any other sport I don't like) to stink all year and go and win the Big Ten Tournament to get into the NCAA and keep their damn streak alive. I'm probably 50-50 that they'll do it. It sure would be nice to put the final nail in the coffin in the next hour. Let's go Maryland.
If they play anything like they did today, MSU will dismantle them tomorrow.
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I saw a team today that will be much improved next year.
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I saw a team today that will be much improved next year.
Yep. It stinks, but I don't think UW will be down for long.
PLEASE GOD PLEASE GOD DO NOT LET THEM WIN THE BIG TEN TOURNAMENT AMEN.
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Yep. It stinks, but I don't think UW will be down for long.
PLEASE GOD PLEASE GOD DO NOT LET THEM WIN THE BIG TEN TOURNAMENT AMEN.
There is a real fear that a 15-17 (8-11) team will win its conference tourney? Has a sub-.500 team ever won a power conference tourney?
And, I'll say it again ... if a sub.500 team does win it, they get three bids (Bucky plus two more) as the B1G is a freaking mid-major conference.
Does anyone think St. Johns can win the BE conference?
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There is a real fear that a 15-17 (8-11) team will win its conference tourney? Has a sub-.500 team ever won a power conference tourney?
And, I'll say it again ... if a sub.500 team does win it, they get three bids (Bucky plus two more) as the B1G is a freaking mid-major conference.
Does anyone think St. Johns can win the BE conference?
Georgia was 13-16 entering the 2008 SEC tournament and they won. Got a 14 seed in the tourney.
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There is a real fear that a 15-17 (8-11) team will win its conference tourney? Has a sub-.500 team ever won a power conference tourney?
And, I'll say it again ... if a sub.500 team does win it, they get three bids (Bucky plus two more) as the B1G is a freaking mid-major conference.
Does anyone think St. Johns can win the BE conference?
If Ponds is healthy anything is possible.
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Georgia was 13-16 entering the 2008 SEC tournament and they won. Got a 14 seed in the tourney.
Heck, they won 4 games in 3 days. That is when the tornado hit the Georgia Dome.
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There is a real fear that a 15-17 (8-11) team will win its conference tourney? Has a sub-.500 team ever won a power conference tourney?
And, I'll say it again ... if a sub.500 team does win it, they get three bids (Bucky plus two more) as the B1G is a freaking mid-major conference.
Does anyone think St. Johns can win the BE conference?
Lol no. Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, Ohio State are all clear locks.
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Friggin Bucky is making me root for Michigan.
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Lol no. Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, Ohio State are all clear locks.
Why? If a 90 RPI team wins their tourney ... they are not that good, all of them.
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Why? If a 90 RPI team wins their tourney ... they are not that good, all of them.
Because that's not how it works.
Not only are those four all locks, but Bracket Matrix has them all as a 5 seed or better.
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Because that's not how it works.
Not only are those four all locks, but Bracket Matrix has them all as a 5 seed or better.
Agree - it'd be mind-boggling for a projected 5 seed to fall out of the Dance because of one loss in the conference tourney.
Just for comparison, AZ is also projected as a 5 seed. Does anyone really believe they'll be left out if they lose in the Pac-12?
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I know this isn't MU related but I'm watching the Madison game right now before I go to work.
They just did a great job of illustrating davisons block/charge flops. He does quite convincingly. As the offensive player is going to the hoop he pushes his chest down into them and as soon as contact is made he falls over.
It's impressive to be sure. But then he yells and gets angry when they call a block on him.
Hate him. Wouldn't hate to have him on my team though.
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HE JUST DID IT AGAIN! 2nd block call in 2 min. Tried the same thing.
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Such an insufferable player. Already 4 flops deep in the first half.
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I'd never want Davidson on MU. He's a clown. He just got called for a block then cries about it even though his feet were clearly moving.
Nothing but Hate for the vadgers and Brian Anderson
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I'd never want Davidson on MU. He's a clown. He just got called for a black then cries about it even though his feet were clearly moving.
Nothing but Hate for the vadgers and Brian Anderson
Also, he is clearly racist.
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Also, he is clearly racist.
Haha. Nice
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Yeah, Davidson looks fantastic. Just got embarrassed by bridges.
Anyone else notice he carries the ball everytime he dribbles?
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Yeah, Davidson looks fantastic. Just got embarrassed by bridges.
Anyone else notice he carries the ball everytime he dribbles?
Sorry but Davidson has more heart than the entire MU team put together.
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Yeah, Davidson looks fantastic. Just got embarrassed by bridges.
Anyone else notice he carries the ball everytime he dribbles?
How many times has it been called by the refs?
I thought so.
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Sorry but Davidson has more heart than the entire MU team put together.
When's he getting a banner?
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Sorry but Davidson has more heart than the entire MU team put together.
Ha.
Educate me, what makes you think that?
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Sorry but Davidson has more heart than the entire MU team put together.
Yeah that's why Marquette has come from behind to win @ Providence, Creighton and Georgetown. No heart.
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Sorry but Davidson has more heart than the entire MU team put together.
And now that heart and his sub-.500 team are done for the season
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Sorry but Davidson has more heart than the entire MU team put together.
Cardiomegaly?
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Sorry but Davidson has more heart than the entire MU team put together.
Not sure about that, but Davidson is a ball player I want on my team.
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Sorry but Davidson has more heart than the entire MU team put together.
How did we ever beat the.
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Anyone else notice Badgers final possession ended in Davidson trying to draw a foul that clearly was not there? Perfect end to the perfect season for the Badgers. On Wisconsin!
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How did we ever beat the.
I said Davidson had heart not the whole team. Sorry but beating them in there worst year in 20 years is not that impressive. The envy on this board for the badgers is rediculous.
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Sorry but Davidson has more heart flops than the entire MU team put together.
Fixed that for you
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When's he getting a banner?
Davison is a gritty player that is going to give us occasional fits for the next few years, and who will deservedly be the target of much hate on this board.
That said, the above quote > Brad Davison.
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Khalil Iverson officially finished the season shoot 0% from three. 0-24. 6-49 for his career. Makes Harry look like Rowsey
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Bye Bye Bucky! Thank you Spartans
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Iverson misses an and 1, then gets off. rebound n gets fouled, misses front end, happ gets rebound n fouled misses front end all with a minute left down 2.
Love it!!
Hate that program
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Finally, dead. Finally.
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I think we're seeing the badger fans here...
Great last possession.
Happ looked very upset after the game. Sign of his impending departure?
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I said Davidson had heart not the whole team. Sorry but beating them in there worst year in 20 years is not that impressive. The envy on this board for the badgers is rediculous.
ridiculous*. Also, there's nothing to envy about a sub .500, 9th place team in a middling Big 10 conference.
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MU's season will last two more weeks (at least) in comparison to the Red Empire. Thanks for moving the BIG tournament up a week ;)
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I said Davidson had heart not the whole team. Sorry but beating them in there worst year in 20 years is not that impressive. The envy on this board for the badgers is rediculous.
*their
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The envy disdain on this board for the badgers is rediculous near unanimous.
Fixed.
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Ha.
Educate me, what makes you think that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G_Gw8rbihY
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Sorry but Davidson has more heart than the entire MU team put together.
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(Not sure why but) I was listening to The Fan on my way to work this morning and they had Ben Wurgull (spelling?), "Badger Insider," on to discuss the Badger basketball team. Apparently they must have had him on a few weeks prior because one of Chuck or Winkler asked something along the lines of, "A few weeks ago we talked about the possibility of Ethan Happ transferring after this season. Is there any update on that?"
My first thought just on the question alone was that Wurgull must have brought up that possibility without Chuck or Winkler asking, because there is no way those two were educated enough to realize that Happ would be graduating after this season and would have the ability to grad transfer. Which makes me think there is a real possibility.
Wurgull's answer was along the lines of, "Let me make it clear, Ethan will have the ability to do that if he would want to do that. I don't mean to say it is going to happen, but he will graduate after this season and he would be eligible to transfer and play right away if that is what he wanted to do. I have talked to somebody close with Ethan and they told me that all possibilities are open, including staying at Wisconsin, grad transferring, and looking at his professional options. I don't think he's good enough to go pro and best case scenario he would be a late 2nd round pick, so I don't think he's leaving college early to try to play in the NBA. So it will come down to whether he wants to stay at Madison and become considered an all time great while climbing the school rankings in a number of category or maybe surround himself with better talent at a different school. I think ultimately he enjoys UW and he stays there and finishes his career there next season."
If I were a Badger fan I would not be optimistic about that response at all. The Badgers have all of their reporters and "insiders" by the balls. If it was even like 75% chance Ethan stays I think the answer that both the person Wurgull contacted would give Wurgull and the answer that Wurgull would give Chuck and Winkler would be, "Ethan Happ isn't going anywhere. He loves UW so the only reason he wouldn't be back is if he wanted to go play professionally, and I don't think he will get the draft grade he needs to want to leave early."
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MU's season will last two more weeks (at least) in comparison to the Red Empire. Thanks for moving the BIG tournament up a week ;)
We'll still be alive on April 2nd ;)
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Happ said after the game that he wasn't grad transferring.... .he will either go pro or return to UW.
https://twitter.com/zachheilprin/status/969657852800446466?s=21
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I said Davidson had heart not the whole team. Sorry but beating them in there worst year in 20 years is not that impressive. The envy on this board for the badgers is rediculous.
I'll leave it to others to correct the spelling errors. But if you think anyone here envies a team that just finished 9th in a 14-team conference that may only get 4 bids, you need to seek help.
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Happ said after the game that he wasn't grad transferring.... .he will either go pro or return to UW.
https://twitter.com/zachheilprin/status/969657852800446466?s=21
Eh. He didn't say that last sentence. That's Helleprin's interpretation. He just said the report was bogus.
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I'll leave it to others to correct the spelling errors. But if you think anyone here envies a team that just finished 9th in a 14-team conference that may only get 4 bids, you need to seek help.
No i think people are envies of the teams past success including 3 Final fours since 2000 and 20 more ncaa tournament wins since 2000.
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No i think people are envies of the teams past success including 3 Final fours since 2000 and 20 more ncaa tournament wins since 2000.
It's not envy it's hate. Yeah I'm jealous of the success they've had, 90% of the teams in the country would be but in that same span we've enjoyed a lot of success as well that 89% of the programs would be jealous of. If we had another 80s during this time I could see envious being the proper term.
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I said Davidson had heart not the whole team. Sorry but beating them in there worst year in 20 years is not that impressive. The envy on this board for the badgers is rediculous.
Move along bud.
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Mu2323:
You clearly are F%cky educated, since you misspell about every 3rd word and have leaps of logic that any confused frog would be proud of.
You give an opinion (disguised as fact) that a mediocre Vadger flopper has more heart than our team and then support it with nothing. Including results.
I'd probably take Davison as the 8th, 9th or 10th man on my team because he plays hard and has enough skill to be mediocre, sure.
As for being "envies" of F%cky, I will happily admit that I wish Marquette had the kind of success F%cky had from 2014-17. 2 SS, 2 FF (including title game appearance). That is admirable success, even if other teams actually had more because they were able to seal the deal and win national titles.
For many years before that, Marquette did just about as well as F&cky did, and better in some of them (such as 2013).
Everything in sports is cyclical. For half a century, F%cky was a basketball laughingstock. Meanwhile, Marquette had a long stretch as a national powerhouse. Those days might be returning sooner than your F%cky-loving arse would like.
Now go back to the Vadger board and commiserate with your fellow losers.
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Sorry but Davidson has more heart than the entire MU team put together.
Do Davison is really Shane Falco?
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Mu2323:
You clearly are F%cky educated, since you misspell about every 3rd word and have leaps of logic that any confused frog would be proud of.
You give an opinion (disguised as fact) that a mediocre Vadger flopper has more heart than our team and then support it with nothing. Including results.
I'd probably take Davison as the 8th, 9th or 10th man on my team because he plays hard and has enough skill to be mediocre, sure.
As for being "envies" of F%cky, I will happily admit that I wish Marquette had the kind of success F%cky had from 2014-17. 2 SS, 2 FF (including title game appearance). That is admirable success, even if other teams actually had more because they were able to seal the deal and win national titles.
For many years before that, Marquette did just about as well as F&cky did, and better in some of them (such as 2013).
Everything in sports is cyclical. For half a century, F%cky was a basketball laughingstock. Meanwhile, Marquette had a long stretch as a national powerhouse. Those days might be returning sooner than your F%cky-loving arse would like.
Now go back to the Vadger board and commiserate with your fellow losers.
LOL I have been a member of this board longer than you have. Do you think i give a flying rats ass if i misspell words on a forum. I get that its hate from this board but to say that you would take Davidson 8th,9th, or 10th is a unnatural carnal knowledgeing joke. He would instantly be the best player on this team.
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LOL I have been a member of this board longer than you have. Do you think i give a flying rats ass if i misspell words on a forum. I get that its hate from this board but to say that you would take Davidson 8th,9th, or 10th is a unnatural carnal knowledgeing joke. He would instantly be the best player on this team.
OMG
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He would instantly be the best player on this team.
You are officially a dope. Congratulations!
"Davidson" being F%cky's second-best player is why F%cky's season ended in tears today.
As for you being a member of this board for years ... well, you're right about being a member, anyway.
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No i think people are envies of the teams past success including 3 Final fours since 2000 and 20 more ncaa tournament wins since 2000.
Show me a ring in the lifetime of anyone on the board. Oh, wait...
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LOL I have been a member of this board longer than you have. Do you think i give a flying rats ass if i misspell words on a forum. I get that its hate from this board but to say that you would take Davidson 8th,9th, or 10th is a unnatural carnal knowledgeing joke. He would instantly be the best player on this team.
So the 2nd best player on a team that is eliminated from tournament contention and lost to Marquette by 18, would be the best player on Marquette. Got it.
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He would instantly be the best player on this team.
This is the guy that always picks the white guy as his favorite player on every team.
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This is the guy that always picks the white guy as his favorite player on every team.
Which is extra funny because we have 2 white guys who are definitively better than Davison!
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LOL I have been a member of this board longer than you have. Do you think i give a flying rats ass if i misspell words on a forum. I get that its hate from this board but to say that you would take Davidson 8th,9th, or 10th is a unnatural carnal knowledgeing joke. He would instantly be the best player on this team.
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/laughter.gif)
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So MU beat UW by 18 on the road even though Gard had the 2 best players on the floor?
Damn Wojo must be good!
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MU's season will last two more weeks (at least) in comparison to the Red Empire. Thanks for moving the BIG tournament up a week ;)
Green Bay and Milwaukee's season will last longer than Bucky's season.
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LOL I have been a member of this board longer than you have. Do you think i give a flying rats ass if i misspell words on a forum. I get that its hate from this board but to say that you would take Davidson 8th,9th, or 10th is a unnatural carnal knowledgeing joke. He would instantly be the best player on this team.
Thanks for stopping by MUScoop, Mr. Davison. Your son got a nice audition for Broadway with his acting skills out in NYC this week. Congrats, and I hope he can get some acting jobs after his time at UW!
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LOL I have been a member of this board longer than you have. Do you think i give a flying rats ass if i misspell words on a forum. I get that its hate from this board but to say that you would take Davidson 8th,9th, or 10th is a unnatural carnal knowledgeing joke. He would instantly be the best player on this team.
Someone needs to contact Campus Police in Madison, with this level of love Davison should probably get a restraining order for Mu2323.
Hell, he might even learn how to spell his last name.
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I recommend "Davidson [sic] 'would instantly be the best player on this team'" for this year's Scoop meme tournament.
It would have a much better seed than the rodents will see for quite some time....
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Do Davison is really Shane Falco?
I loved that Movie.
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I recommend "Davidson [sic] 'would instantly be the best player on this team'" for this year's Scoop meme tournament.
It would have a much better seed than the rodents will see for quite some time....
And it would instantly be the best meme in the tournament!
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I loved that Movie.
Because of the cheerleaders?
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Because of the cheerleaders?
Yep, a fun movie all the way around.
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http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/college/basketball/men/ethan-happ-will-declare-for-nba-draft-but-could-return/article_b2acf5ad-7bf9-56d8-9f7f-fbea90472f0e.html
Happ either turning pro or returning to UW.
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According to Andy Katz in the postgame, Trice and King were "all big ten players." They come back with Happ, definitely F4 or bust next year.
Davison's act needs to stop. The "charge" he took on Markus when he slid underneath him, was a really dangerous play. Can't wait for all of the talk about the grittiness after he tears someone's ACL or breaks their leg.
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Andy Katz is an idiot and also a badger alumn. Kobe king played like 5 games and averaged 10 points or less. Trice is complete garbage. Probably the worst 3 pt shooter I have seen.
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Exactly... what in the few games against “buy teams” did Katz see that made him think King is all-Big 10?
Does he think Jamal Cain will be all-Big East next year?
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Andy Katz is an idiot and also a badger alumn. Kobe king played like 5 games and averaged 10 points or less. Trice is complete garbage. Probably the worst 3 pt shooter I have seen.
On the heels of your Davison nonsense I’m pretty sure your card to label anyone an idiot has been revoked
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Andy Katz is an idiot and also a badger alumn. Kobe king played like 5 games and averaged 10 points or less. Trice is complete garbage. Probably the worst 3 pt shooter I have seen.
Come on, man. Everybody knows that Kobe King would be the best player in Marquette history.
Just trying to figure out who among Wade, Lucas, Lee, Thompson, Meminger, Lackey, etc, would be second.
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LOL I have been a member of this board longer than you have. Do you think i give a flying rats ass if i misspell words on a forum. I get that its hate from this board but to say that you would take Davidson 8th,9th, or 10th is a unnatural carnal knowledgeing joke. He would instantly be the best player on this team.
He is a gutty player with a strong passion to win, but he would not be the best player on MU by any stretch. Bizarre statement. I'd rank him 3rd or 4th. He plays defense, can get streaky with scoring, tough kid, and that works in a plodding conference like the Big Ten. In the very athletic conference of the Big East, he would be exposed more. Good kid, good player, no way the best player on MU.
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On the heels of your Davison nonsense I’m pretty sure your card to label anyone an idiot has been revoked
You guys can bash me all u want and while my comment about him being the best player on MU was over the top the kid plays with heart and quite frankly someone this team could greatly benefit with. Alot of MU fans have the wojo glasses on but the fact is we have not have anyone like the way Davison plays with nonstop hustle since Buzz left.
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After watching Wisconsin in the B1G tourney, I think they would be stupid to fire Gard. The team pulled it together late and was competitive over the last few weeks. Combine that with two guards returning from injury and I think they will be an upper level B1G team next season. I wish they would suck in perpetuity, but, alas, I don't think it is meant to be.
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After watching Wisconsin in the B1G tourney, I think they would be stupid to fire Gard. The team pulled it together late and was competitive over the last few weeks. Combine that with two guards returning from injury and I think they will be an upper level B1G team next season. I wish they would suck in perpetuity, but, alas, I don't think it is meant to be.
They will definitely be very competitive. If Happ were to go in the NBA draft (unlikely), things might be harder for Bucky though.
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Davison's act needs to stop. The "charge" he took on Markus when he slid underneath him, was a really dangerous play. Can't wait for all of the talk about the grittiness after he tears someone's ACL or breaks their leg.
I think even most Wisconsin fans would agree with the bolded part. Constantly flopping to draw charges is amateurish and should backfire with good officiating.
Davison is a below the rim power guard who would be a nice complementary piece on a lot of good teams. His lack of athleticism limits his upside. As posted above, MU could use some of his toughness.
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Badger fans must be amused the board has amassed 27 pages of nonsense.
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Badger fans must be amused the board has amassed 27 pages of nonsense.
Are you not familiar with the rest of the board?
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the kid plays with heart and quite frankly someone this team could greatly benefit with.
A) you should’ve gone with this then. This is much different than what you said
B) he’s a decent player who plays hard but is also soft as sh*t considering all his embarrassing gutless flops. I have no respect for that type of play
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After watching Wisconsin in the B1G tourney, I think they would be stupid to fire Gard. The team pulled it together late and was competitive over the last few weeks. Combine that with two guards returning from injury and I think they will be an upper level B1G team next season. I wish they would suck in perpetuity, but, alas, I don't think it is meant to be.
I hope you're right. Happier to see them draw things out with Gard and sink their program further.
They were awful this season even with Happ, I will hold out optimism for their future until Gard can prove he can bring in/develop players of that caliber. Until then, I'll anticipate a few more seasons of satisfying ineptitude.
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You guys can bash me all u want and while my comment about him being the best player on MU was over the top the kid plays with heart and quite frankly someone this team could greatly benefit with. Alot of MU fans have the wojo glasses on but the fact is we have not have anyone like the way Davison plays with nonstop hustle since Buzz left.
<<You guys can bash me all u want and while my comment about him being the best player on MU was over the top the kid plays with heart and quite frankly someone this team could greatly benefit with.>>
Ah, but this isn't close to what you said previously, which was not only over the top but ridiculous.
<<Alot of MU fans have the wojo glasses on but the fact is we have not have anyone like the way Davison plays with nonstop hustle since Buzz left.>>
Most Scoopers are fairly realistic, and most who have bothered commented have said they'd be happy to have a role player like Davison on the team for the exact reasons you state here.
And what you say here isn't "the fact," it's "the opinion" of somebody who loves a Vadger teenage boy a little too much.
Not sure what proof you could offer that Davison hustles more than/has more heart than Sam, Katin, DWilson (either one), Rowsey, Heldt, Theo, Juan, etc. Because he flops a lot?
Again, I'd take the kid on my team. But he was the second-best or third-best player on a horrible team in a bad conference, a team that was so bad they lost at home to Marquette by 1,000 points.
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You guys can bash me all u want and while my comment about him being the best player on MU was over the top the kid plays with heart and quite frankly someone this team could greatly benefit with. Alot of MU fans have the wojo glasses on but the fact is we have not have anyone like the way Davison plays with nonstop hustle since Buzz left.
See that’s just false. This MU team plays with plenty of heart and hustle.
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Hey Mu2323 ...
If only Sam and AR and Markus and Cain and Heldt had shown any heart today, we might have actually won a bigger pressure game than "Davidson" has ever played.
If only any of our players were as uniquely skilled as The Flopper Who Would Be Our Best Player.
Dontcha love it when dipshytes come on here and humiliate themselves?
Now go smooch your F%cky bro-crush, Michael Jeffrey Davidson.
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Hey Mu2323 ...
If only Sam and AR and Markus and Cain and Heldt had shown any heart today, we might have actually won a bigger pressure game than "Davidson" has ever played.
If only any of our players were as uniquely skilled as The Flopper Who Would Be Our Best Player.
Dontcha love it when dipshytes come on here and humiliate themselves?
Now go smooch your F%cky bro-crush, Michael Jeffrey Davidson.
You act like a 5 year old bitch boy. Big pressure? I home game on senior night get real. Come find me when Marquettes in the final four, Hell find me when they make the ncaa tournament.
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You act like a 5 year old bitch boy. Big pressure? I home game on senior night get real. Come find me when Marquettes in the final four, Hell find me when they make the ncaa tournament.
Your Badgers will have fun watching the NCAA tournament from their couch this year
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Come find me when Marquettes in the final four.
Hmmm ... that doesn't really sound like something a "diehard Marquette fan" would say. Indeed, sounds like something a fan of a different team would say to an actual Marquette fan.
Character revealed, you lying poser.
Davidson wants to cuddle, so toddle on over to F%ckyland.
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Badger fans must be amused the board has amassed 27 pages of nonsense.
Maybe. But not enough nonsense that their fans have coming over to this board, posing as Marquette fans, and then posting in this exact thread.
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You act like a 5 year old bitch boy. Big pressure? I home game on senior night get real. Come find me when Marquettes in the final four, Hell find me when they make the ncaa tournament.
2323,
I am not one to demean people, tell them to F-off, etc., but I do have a question for you.
If you despise MU basketball to the extent that you post in various threads, what motivates you to even participate in such discussions?
I particularly don't care for certain sports teams, which in sports is a fun thing, but I don't go to that team's forum web site and berate them every opportunity I can, I have much better things to do in life. Most individuals and sport fans would tend to agree.
I know....some will say you are what they call a "troll" and I really don't care, but I would appreciate your mindset as to why?
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Maybe. But not enough nonsense that their fans have coming over to this board, posing as Marquette fans, and then posting in this exact thread.
Certainly. They're so irrelevant this year the thread should be 7 pages.
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Wisconsin played well the last 8 to 10 games or so of the season. They will be back, but good to know this year they are done, Happ hopefully gone and the streak is over.
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Big pressure? I home game on senior night get real.
Name the biggest "pressure" college game of Kobe CP3 Davidson's career?
After we beat your F%cky Vadgers by 1,000 points at the Kohl Hole, y'all didn't play a single game that mattered because your season was, in effect, over.
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Wisconsin played well the last 8 to 10 games or so of the season. They will be back, but good to know this year they are done, Happ hopefully gone and the streak is over.
Happ is going nowhere this year. You don't get points in the NBA for being a great player on a terrible team. And I'm not convinced he has much of a future in the league the way his game is constructed. Reminds me a bit of Greg Monroe (not bad!) but Greg could step out for a mid range. Happ has none of that.
I agree with you that the last stretch of their season is a reminder that they're not going away. King will be back. Davison - while he'll go down as one of my most hated Badgers (saying something after Frank and Sam) - will be a pain in the ass for 4 years. Really happy to see Herro in blue and white. While he wasn't a savior, he was a big piece.
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Herro = The Cartographer
Davison = The Dustmop
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Happ is going nowhere this year. You don't get points in the NBA for being a great player on a terrible team. And I'm not convinced he has much of a future in the league the way his game is constructed. Reminds me a bit of Greg Monroe (not bad!) but Greg could step out for a mid range. Happ has none of that.
Not the NBA. If he wants to earn some coin it will be in Europe
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I don't really understand this whole they played better down the stretch thing going on. Yes they beat Purdue which was a great win, not taking anything away from that, but their other wins consist of northwestern, Minnesota and Illinois. Not exactly great wins. Playing Michigan State close only counts for moral victories. The way to beat them hasn't changed, shut down Happ, everyone else is extremely hit or miss. They will be better next year because they don't lose anyone, but they will be a bubble team at best imo.
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Today's NBA is not kind to ground-anchored power forwards whose shooting range extends out to only 3 feet.
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The way to beat them hasn't changed, shut down Happ, everyone else is extremely hit or miss.
"Davidson" is hit or miss? The greatest player ever to play college ball in the state of Wisconsin?
Take it back!
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"Davidson" is hit or miss? The greatest player ever to play college ball in the state of Wisconsin?
Take it back!
I thought that was Herro, he put Wisconsin on the map you know
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You act like a 5 year old bitch boy. Big pressure? I home game on senior night get real. Come find me when Marquettes in the final four, Hell find me when they make the ncaa tournament.
You sound like a huge Marquette fan.
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Wisconsin played well the last 8 to 10 games or so of the season. They will be back, but good to know this year they are done, Happ hopefully gone and the streak is over.
What was the Badgers record the last 10?
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Lay off 2323. He is clearly either 10 years old or slow. I am a very proud UW grad and I really like Davison but he is a role player on a good team. He has to quit with the fake hustle, start moving his feet and stop with the constant flops. For every charge he takes he costs his team multiple points. Any team would like to have him but at this stage of his career, if he is a top 2 player the team will stink as UW's record indicates.
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What was the Badgers record the last 10?
5-5 the last 10
5-8 the last 13
Congrats.
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5-5 the last 10
5-8 the last 13
Congrats.
Exactly ... when they "played well" they were a .500 B1G. 7th place. That is not going to get it done.
As a badger hater, I think the last 5 games was the perfect outcome. Gard stays. He cannot recruit and he cannot develop talent like Bo. Herro decommitting is like Wolf choosing UNC. Stick a fork in them. The next question is how much mediocrity do they want to put up with before they start over with someone else?
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Andy Katz is an idiot and also a badger alumn. Kobe king played like 5 games and averaged 10 points or less. Trice is complete garbage. Probably the worst 3 pt shooter I have seen.
Because they're black?
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Because they're black?
No. Because they don’t have heart.
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Come on, man. Everybody knows that Kobe King would be the best player in Marquette history.
Just trying to figure out who among Wade, Lucas, Lee, Thompson, Meminger, Lackey, etc, would be second.
You are a complete idiot. King cannot cut it at MU. He should be playing at Green Bay.
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All I know is that a 19 year pain in my ass ended on Friday and I hope the relief lasts for years.
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What was the Badgers record the last 10?
To be fair, I said 8 to 10.
Last 10 was 5-5. Last 8 was was 5-3.
The losses, twice to Michigan State by a total of 8 points (5 and 3 point losses). A loss to red hot Michigan. In that stretch they beat top 10 Purdue
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To be fair, I said 8 to 10.
Last 10 was 5-5. Last 8 was was 5-3.
The losses, twice to Michigan State by a total of 8 points (5 and 3 point losses). A loss to red hot Michigan. In that stretch they beat top 10 Purdue
Who gives a f***k. Enjoy the moral victories
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Who gives a f***k. Enjoy the moral victories
I think they aren't as bad as people are making them out to be and will be back next year. I have enjoyed their down season.
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To be fair, I said 8 to 10.
Last 10 was 5-5. Last 8 was was 5-3.
The losses, twice to Michigan State by a total of 8 points (5 and 3 point losses). A loss to red hot Michigan. In that stretch they beat top 10 Purdue
They hit Purdue and Michigan State at he right time welhen both were struggling. Spartan went down 27 against northwestern before pulling off an epic comeback and they proved Bucky’s moral victory was not as the crapped the bed against Michigan the next day.
But hey, keep making excuses. Thrilled Gard is returning. Next year is year 4 and all he has left is Happ ... his last Bo player.
As I wrote before, I hope the excuses continue and Grad is allowed years to turn them into Rutgers.
King should be playing for Green Bay ... and his coach should be Gard.
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Who is the best player Gard recruited as HC? Wojo has Ellenson, Rowsey , Katin, Sam and Markus. Eliott, Cain and Theo might make this list. more coming.
Gard cannot recruit
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They hit Purdue and Michigan State at he right time welhen both were struggling. Spartan went down 27 against northwestern before pulling off an epic comeback and they proved Bucky’s moral victory was not as the crapped the bed against Michigan the next day.
But hey, keep making excuses. Thrilled Gard is returning. Next year is year 4 and all he has left is Happ ... his last Bo player.
As I wrote before, I hope the excuses continue and Grad is allowed years to turn them into Rutgers.
King should be playing for Green Bay ... and his coach should be Gard.
Since Purdue lost to Wisconsin they have won 5 straight and play for the Big Ten Tournament title today against a very game Michigan team. Michigan State is 24-3, I agree they have not looked quite as good, but 24-3 indicates how good of a team they are.
Wisconsin will be better next year and we shouldn't think this is the new norm, not yet anyway. Way too early to tell.
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Can true Marquette fans plz stop commenting on this thread??!!
Let Black Swan n 2323 comment on it all they want, but to read MU fans keep a thread at the top of all the posts with an ongoing discussion about badger bball is fin disgusting. Go to the damn badger boards. Enuff already!!! And Black Swan n 2323 go fook urselfs. Fook Wisconsin
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Can true Marquette fans plz stop commenting on this thread??!!
Let Black Swan n 2323 comment on it all they want, but to read MU fans keep a thread at the top of all the posts with an ongoing discussion about badger bball is fin disgusting. Go to the damn badger boards. Enuff already!!! And Black Swan n 2323 go fook urselfs. Fook Wisconsin
I mean, I don't think Black Swan has been anything but reasonable any time he/she has posted. So I'm not going to insult or discourage him/her from posting in the future.
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To be fair, I said 8 to 10.
Last 10 was 5-5. Last 8 was was 5-3.
The losses, twice to Michigan State by a total of 8 points (5 and 3 point losses). A loss to red hot Michigan. In that stretch they beat top 10 Purdue
Only lost to MSU by 8 points, but fails to mention the the 4 point win over Purdue, had to take Minnesota in OT, NW by 6 and Maryland by 5. They really blew those teams out of the water.
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Who is the best player Gard recruited as HC? Wojo has Ellenson, Rowsey , Katin, Sam and Markus. Eliott, Cain and Theo might make this list. more coming.
Gard cannot recruit
Davison and King.
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Only lost to MSU by 8 points, but fails to mention the the 4 point win over Purdue, had to take Minnesota in OT, NW by 6 and Maryland by 5. They really blew those teams out of the water.
I did mention the win over Purdue. Any win over a top 10 team is a good win, by 4 or 8 or 20 or 1 point.
Yes, it took OT for a road win against Minnesota. A road win at Northwestern, any road win is good. Remember we just lost on the road to DePaul, the road is tough. Maryland win was a higher seeded team in their tournament and won on a neutral court.
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Wisconsin was horrible this year. We’ll see if they’re significantly better next year, but they were an awful team this year.
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Wisconsin was horrible this year. We’ll see if they’re significantly better next year, but they were an awful team this year.
This is three most accurate post I've seen so far
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Wisconsin was horrible this year. We’ll see if they’re significantly better next year, but they were an awful team this year.
I would say they were decent out of the gate. Xavier game was tied with a few minutes to go. Lost to UCLA in final seconds. Baylor game was a bucket difference with a few minutes to play. Then they had about a 10 to 15 game stretch of very poor basketball, but finished respectable in the last eight when they learned to play with their remaining parts.
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I would say they were decent out of the gate. Xavier game was tied with a few minutes to go. Lost to UCLA in final seconds. Baylor game was a bucket difference with a few minutes to play. Then they had about a 10 to 15 game stretch of very poor basketball, but finished respectable in the last eight when they learned to play with their remaining parts.
So a lot of...losses?
Yeah, I’ll stick with them being a bad team this year. 9th out of 14 teams in a bad league. Under .500 record on the season.
They weren’t good this year. At all.
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I mean, I don't think Black Swan has been anything but reasonable any time he/she has posted. So I'm not going to insult or discourage him/her from posting in the future.
Yeah, I'm leaning that way too. He registered in 2008 and I don't think he is a sleeping cell Troller for all those years.
To me his comments on the Heart issue was more emotional rather than rational, similar to ones we find in the our "In game thread." Then it just got lines drawn in the sand.
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To be fair, I said 8 to 10.
Last 10 was 5-5. Last 8 was was 5-3.
The losses, twice to Michigan State by a total of 8 points (5 and 3 point losses). A loss to red hot Michigan. In that stretch they beat top 10 Purdue
Wouldn't be Scoop without Chicos fluffing the Badgers.
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+100.
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Wouldn't be Scoop without Chicos fluffing the Badgers.
Can't be chicos. He's been banned, sources say.
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It a surprise but Van Vliet was disGarded from Bucky today, per verbal commits on twitta.
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It a surprise but Van Vliet was disGarded from Bucky today, per verbal commits on twitta.
Thanked everyone but Gard in his tweet.
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Thanked everyone but Gard in his tweet.
Right back at Gard with the mind games
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as some posted on another board, just waitin for the potrykus article on why this is so good for both parties.
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Van Vliet is Dutch for “run off the team”
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Good luck to the young man. Welcome to the second decade of the 21st century for basketball transfers, bucky.
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Thank goodness they needed this dude more than they needed Sam!