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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #50 on: December 13, 2017, 01:34:10 PM »
I've got Western Kentucky tonight.  What will that be, 8 losses in 9 games?  With the one win being a 1 point nail-biter vs. Penn State. 

Gard better keep his dog in the house, and might want to keep the want ads handy!

Go Hilltoppers!!!
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #51 on: December 13, 2017, 01:56:35 PM »
I think we might be getting a little too cocky here based on last Saturday.  Let's not act like the program is going down in flames here.

Is it an act? They likely miss the tourney this year, the coach is trying to DisGard (trademark Nukem) three players, & Happ is grad transfer eligible in a year with only one top-25 uncommitted big & both Duke & Kentucky looking.

Bo turned walk-ons into starters & 3-stars into studs, but Gard hasn't displayed that same magic. Bo's players are mostly gone & the roster looks pretty average. I know they're young, but I could see them missing the next 2-3 tournaments and only then going full rebuild under a new coach. So what's that, likely 5-6 years to relevance again?

Maybe they're better than their record. They've lost some close games vs a tough schedule, but with Trice & King out, this season is all but over & Bucky fans would scoff but I don't believe Marquette will see Happ in a UW@M uniform again. Bo is gone, & with him a lot of the Bucky mystique. Gard isn't as good a game coach, isn't as good working officials, isn't as good at identifying talent, & faces a lot of roster challenges. We'll see how the next 3 months go, but while this may not be the beginning of the end, I do think we're seeing signs of a massive shift in UW@M basketball & not for the good.
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #52 on: December 13, 2017, 01:58:06 PM »
WKU has played well against quality competition.  Is the wrong team favored here again (like the MU line)?

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #53 on: December 13, 2017, 02:48:19 PM »
Is it an act? They likely miss the tourney this year, the coach is trying to DisGard (trademark Nukem) three players, & Happ is grad transfer eligible in a year with only one top-25 uncommitted big & both Duke & Kentucky looking.

Bo turned walk-ons into starters & 3-stars into studs, but Gard hasn't displayed that same magic. Bo's players are mostly gone & the roster looks pretty average. I know they're young, but I could see them missing the next 2-3 tournaments and only then going full rebuild under a new coach. So what's that, likely 5-6 years to relevance again?

Maybe they're better than their record. They've lost some close games vs a tough schedule, but with Trice & King out, this season is all but over & Bucky fans would scoff but I don't believe Marquette will see Happ in a UW@M uniform again. Bo is gone, & with him a lot of the Bucky mystique. Gard isn't as good a game coach, isn't as good working officials, isn't as good at identifying talent, & faces a lot of roster challenges. We'll see how the next 3 months go, but while this may not be the beginning of the end, I do think we're seeing signs of a massive shift in UW@M basketball & not for the good.

Gard has been to two sweet 16's in his two years as head coach.  I know we're all riding high after the ass whooping on Saturday, but I think it's a little soon to proclaim the death of the UW basketball program and Gard as a guy who can't coach.

They were expected to take a step back this year, and yea they are probably are even worse than anticipated, but they have played a brutal schedule.  I don't think the rest of their season tells us much about Gard considering the injuries.  How do you think MU would do the rest of the way if Hauser and someone like Cain/Elliot/Anim went down for the year?  That is basically the equivalent of UW losing Trice and King.   

A lot of your other commentary doesn't make sense.  Zak Showalter was a "walk on to starter" and he was a starter the last 2 years, under Gard not Bo.  Their team is especially crappy this year because of their current juniors who were Bo's awful recruiting class (which followed their Final Four runs, no less).  Maybe he should've spent more time on the recruiting trail than banging his masseuse.  Their current Freshmen class was one of their highest ranked recruiting classes ever and was all Gard.  Herro backed out for multiple reasons leaving Gard's '18 class unimpressive, and he was already screwed because Bo was dumb enough to ignore Sam so Gard had no shot with Joey.  The 2019 class will be huge for Gard and the Badger program.  I think we'll have a better picture of UW's future based on that class.

I just think these projections that they are done are extreme.  I don't see Happ transferring elsewhere, either.  I remember many predicting the demise of Badger hoops in 15-16.  Kaminski and Dekker were gone, they lost to Western Illinois, Henry stomped them at the Kohl, Bo retired in shame and no one will replace Bo, etc. etc..    Gard took over and they went on to 2 straight sweet 16s.

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #54 on: December 13, 2017, 03:26:29 PM »
That group of Seniors (Hayes, Koenig, Brown, Showalter) and Happ led the Badgers to two sweet 16s.  If you want to give Gard all the credit, that is fine.  As for recruiting in '18, Gard went all in on Hauser (huge mistake).  Not only did he not get Joey, but it cost him Herro.  He had more than enough time to recruit others, and chose not to.  You will see 1 or 2 transfers announced before the end of Dec.  If they lose tonight that will be 8 out of 9.  Which of their two injured players equates to Sam?  Losing Trice and King is like us losing Elliott and Cain.  Regardless, things are not going well, and help is not on the roster (as it was 2 yrs ago), or on the way.  Gard will be gone before this gets turned around.

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #55 on: December 13, 2017, 03:38:05 PM »
True story.  He did blow up, but had Joey joined him at UW, he would still be happily committed there.

Yup. Or you could go with the story Badger fans will sell anyone willing to listen and go with, “He took the ACT 4 times and couldn’t get above a 17 and didn’t want to take it a 5th time, so he just decommitted instead and settled for UW.” Absolutely hysterical, and I have no lie heard it from more than one Badger fan. Sad.

I told them that if it was grades/test scores and not core credits then he would not be enrolling at any college because UW’s grade/test score requirement is no different than anyone else, they just require extra core credits, even sharing an article with them stating exactly that, but they weren’t having any of it. The things Badger fans will do to deny reality...
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #56 on: December 13, 2017, 03:48:02 PM »
The thing Bo did incredibly well is to identify kids that were not consensus top 100 recruits but couldbecome better than said top 100 recruits by the time they were 4th or 5th year seniors.  Look down the list and most of his top players were not highly regarded coming in, then he sprinkled in some top players. 
The problem with this is it then seems like it is less than the intangible gift that it really was.  It very well could be that Gard lacks that discerning eye and his new unathletic stiffs are in fact all they are ever going to be.  Bo had the very best eyes of identifying kids that were ranked between 100-200 that could become very good players.  Kevin oneil was very good at this also.  Deane not as good. Crean horrible at it , Buzz mixed at best .  Wojo seems pretty solid especially with this Freshman class.
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #57 on: December 13, 2017, 04:24:16 PM »
The thing Bo did incredibly well is to identify kids that were not consensus top 100 recruits but could become better than said top 100 recruits by the time they were 4th or 5th year seniors.  Look down the list and most of his top players were not highly regarded coming in, then he sprinkled in some top players. 

Bo landed plenty of 4-star, and even some 5-star kids, and they often were his best players.
The trope of Bo mining two-star talents into star players is grossly exaggerated.


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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #58 on: December 13, 2017, 08:10:20 PM »
I love watching Wisconsin suck as much as the next bloke, but this is getting ridiculous. I think they're intentionally sabotaging our quality win

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #59 on: December 13, 2017, 08:59:37 PM »
I HATE Davison! Call #1. Total arm hack followed by flop.
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #60 on: December 13, 2017, 09:01:24 PM »
Bo's recruiting classes and rankings via 247:

5stars - 2
4stars - 14
3stars - 23
2stars or less - 4

avg ranking - #183
median ranking - #152

2001
Devin Harris NR on 247

2002
nobody

2003
Brian Butch 5star #10
Kammron Taylor 3star #310

2004
Greg Stiemsma 4star #34
Michael Flowers 3star #173
DeAaron Williams 3star #223
Shariff Chambliss 3star #286

2005
Joe Krabbenhoft 4star #28
Marcus Landry 3star #135

2006
Trevon Hughes 4star #62
Jason Bohannon 4star #63
JP Gavinski 4star #117

2007
Jon Leuer 4star #81
Keaton Nankivil 4star #86
Tim Jarmusz 3star #199

2008
Jared Berggren 4star #85
Jordan Taylor 4star #109
Ian Markolf 3star #161
Robert Wilson 3star #265
Ryan Evans 3star #491

2009
Diamond Taylor 4star #117
Mike Brusewitz 4star #119
Jeremy Glover 2star #664

2010
Evan Anderson 3star #140
Ben Brust 3star #183
Josh Gasser 3star #197
Duje Dukan 3star #198

2011
Jarrod Uthoff 4star #116
George Marshall 3star #169
Traevon Jackson 3star #201
Frank Kaminsky 3star #218

2012
Sam Dekker 5star #12
Zak Showalter 3star #292

2013
Bronson Koenig 4star #110
Nigel Hayes 3star #137
Vitto Brown 3star #227
Riley Dearring 3star #253
Jordan Hill 2star #353
Aaron Moesch NR

2014
Ethan Happ 3star #152

2015
Brevin Pritzl 4star #94
Alex Illikainen 3star #147
Khalil Iverson 3star #319
Charlie Thomas 3star #380
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #61 on: December 13, 2017, 09:01:57 PM »
I HATE Davison!
Just thinking the same thing.
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #62 on: December 13, 2017, 09:03:02 PM »
I HATE Davison!

He will take up the torch of Showalter and Gasser.

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #63 on: December 13, 2017, 09:14:30 PM »
Saw the score on espn and turned it on quick... that was the lamest sh!t I’ve seen in my life

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #64 on: December 13, 2017, 09:15:01 PM »
He will take up the torch of Showalter and Gasser.
He is taking it to a new level.  He will become a target.

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #65 on: December 13, 2017, 09:15:22 PM »
Now I REALLY REALLY HATE Davison!!!!  But that was actually an awesome call by Gard. Call #2
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #66 on: December 13, 2017, 09:17:39 PM »
Brad Davison is a complete POS flopper. Completely moving on the final play where the refs simply gifted Wisconsin the game with the wrong call.
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #67 on: December 13, 2017, 09:18:43 PM »
Brad Davison is a complete POS flopper. Completely moving on the final play where the refs simply gifted Wisconsin the game with the wrong call.

That wasn't even his worst flop in the last 2 minutes.

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #68 on: December 13, 2017, 09:19:51 PM »
2 Homer calls down the stretch due to Davison flops give Badgers the game
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #69 on: December 13, 2017, 09:23:28 PM »
That wasn't even his worst flop in the last 2 minutes.

No, it wasn't. The flop when he slapped Bearden (uncalled) then fell over was egregious.
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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #70 on: December 13, 2017, 09:48:48 PM »
Those tricky Badgers....lolololololol.  :D

Oh, how the mighty have fallen!

When a team has to resort to a gimmick play, to beat a mid-major and avoid 8 losses in 9 games, it is simply embarrassing (for them).    :-[


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« Reply #71 on: December 13, 2017, 09:49:25 PM »
That guy is the frickin worst—and the Kohl Hole refs fall for that sheet.
I was rewinding that lowered shoulder that was a no call to show everyone in the room.
But beardon is so strong that he can throw Davidson 10’, off of both his feet!

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #72 on: December 13, 2017, 10:10:56 PM »
Yeah I'll tell you what that gimmick play will win nothing against anybody of significance - so I'm OK with it.  Davison is the worst kind of sports player though, fakest hooper I've ever seen.

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #73 on: December 13, 2017, 10:54:15 PM »
Eh. Whatever. Cheap win but it's good for our RPI and they'll probably win the next 3 too. Then big ten play which probably won't go too well.

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Re: It only gets worse for Bucky
« Reply #74 on: December 13, 2017, 11:14:11 PM »
Bo landed plenty of 4-star, and even some 5-star kids, and they often were his best players.
The trope of Bo mining two-star talents into star players is grossly exaggerated.

Youcompketely missed the point, well done.
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