MLB 2018 Season

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Damn, Burnes had some sexy pitches tonight.

Gotta think everyone but Burnes and Miley will be available for tomorrow. Maybe not Knebel. Chacin may only be allowed to go three innings.

[WarriorDad]

Counsell learned something from game 1.  That is the way to manage the bullpen.

Game 1, brought in Hader in 5th inning despite up 5-1.  Wasted asset. Bad move.
Tonight, up 5-2 in the 5th inning, he holds tight.  Bullpen comes through. Hader available for 3 tomorrow.

Win the war, not the battle. 

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I'll take hader on normal use, or even 3 innings over Kershaw in relief.

Also hope Grandal starts.

[Mr. Nielsen]

What a night tomorrow. Brewers On FS1. Oregon/Washington State on FOX. As Gameday going to Pullman for the first time ever. The original Gameday member Tim Brando calling it.

Sorry, got off track. Just didn't think this moment could come for the Brewers. Gives me chills that the Brewers are a game away from the World Series.

[wadesworld]

Counsell learned something from game 1.  That is the way to manage the bullpen.

Game 1, brought in Hader in 5th inning despite up 5-1.  Wasted asset. Bad move.
Tonight, up 5-2 in the 5th inning, he holds tight.  Bullpen comes through. Hader available for 3 tomorrow.

Win the war, not the battle. 

You've been wrong all along.  Might as well continue with the false narrative.

Series never gets back to Milwaukee for game 6 if Counsel doesn't manage game 1 how he does.

[MUDPT]

You've been wrong all along.  Might as well continue with the false narrative.

Series never gets back to Milwaukee for game 6 if Counsel doesn't manage game 1 how he does.

There's no reason Hader couldn't have come in (game 1), in the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th in higher leverage situations. And win probability is updated with every batter. It isn't looking back.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Also hope Grandal starts.

Dave Roberts has been stoic no matter what's going on in the game except with Grandal's latest fielding misadventure yesterday.  I wonder how long into the offseason he lasts with the Dodgers? 

[wadesworld]

There's no reason Hader couldn't have come in (game 1), in the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th in higher leverage situations. And win probability is updated with every batter. It isn't looking back.

So be reactive instead of proactive when you have a lead in game 1 of the NLCS facing one of the greatest pitchers ever? Sure, I guess. That's the first thing I think I'd want to do. Give my opponent momentum immediately in the series.

We saw it play out. 4 pitchers came out of the pen in game 1 after Hader's 3 scoreless innings over the final 2 innings of the game. 3 gave up at least 1 run. The fourth gave up 2 hits and got a single out. They had a runner 90 feet away from tying the game up...even with Hader having gone 3 scoreless innings.

How long would you and Chicos suggest the Brewers should've waited to use Hader in game 1? Tying run is on deck? 2 run game? Wait until the 8th inning regardless? Only throw him one inning each game?

When you're in the Playoffs you can't wait around to see if maybe your lesser players can hold a lead. When you have Kershaw on the line for a loss in game 1, you step on the throat. Hader hadn't pitched in 5 days, and even that was a 7 pitch outing. He was pitching game 1. He had a historically good season out of the pen pitching one night and taking one night off. So Counsell, thankfully, rode him game 1 knowing he had to work, the Crew had to close that game out, and he was going to have game 2 and a travel day to rest. A really great job.

Came in with a game plan and here we are, one home game to go to a World Series. Amazing.

[jsglow]

I think everyone except Miley is available tonight.  And I'm sure Chacin is going more than 3 assuming he's on his game.  I'd anticipate him for 5+ followed by Knebel, Jeffress and Hader.  It would be great if the 3 relievers only need to get somewhere between 9-11 outs.  If they need a few more, my next choice would be Woody or possibly Soria.

Let me add that getting Jeffress in a little earlier seemed to work for him last night.  He was on his edge, not over it.  And his stuff was absolutely electric.  Sets him up well for tonight.

And how 'bout Burnes?  Kid wasn't even on the 40 out of Phoenix.  But has been lights out since his July promotion.  He'll have a regular rotation turn next year; just like Freddy.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Dave Roberts has been stoic no matter what's going on in the game except with Grandal's latest fielding misadventure yesterday.  I wonder how long into the offseason he lasts with the Dodgers?

Monday?

[WarriorDad]

There's no reason Hader couldn't have come in (game 1), in the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th in higher leverage situations. And win probability is updated with every batter. It isn't looking back.

That is correct, but the guy is digging in and cannot admit he is wrong.  Fortunately for the Brewers, Counsell has learned and not as stubborn as Wadesworld is.  This series could be over right now, but with the Brewers already on the way to the World Series.

[WarriorDad]

So be reactive instead of proactive when you have a lead in game 1 of the NLCS facing one of the greatest pitchers ever? Sure, I guess. That's the first thing I think I'd want to do. Give my opponent momentum immediately in the series.

We saw it play out. 4 pitchers came out of the pen in game 1 after Hader's 3 scoreless innings over the final 2 innings of the game. 3 gave up at least 1 run. The fourth gave up 2 hits and got a single out. They had a runner 90 feet away from tying the game up...even with Hader having gone 3 scoreless innings.

How long would you and Chicos suggest the Brewers should've waited to use Hader in game 1? Tying run is on deck? 2 run game? Wait until the 8th inning regardless? Only throw him one inning each game?

When you're in the Playoffs you can't wait around to see if maybe your lesser players can hold a lead. When you have Kershaw on the line for a loss in game 1, you step on the throat. Hader hadn't pitched in 5 days, and even that was a 7 pitch outing. He was pitching game 1. He had a historically good season out of the pen pitching one night and taking one night off. So Counsell, thankfully, rode him game 1 knowing he had to work, the Crew had to close that game out, and he was going to have game 2 and a travel day to rest. A really great job.

Came in with a game plan and here we are, one home game to go to a World Series. Amazing.

Modified his game plan, fortunately, and here they are with a chance to win it all.  One could argue if he didn't blow it in game one, they would already be on their way to Boston with last night's game the clincher.  John Smoltz has been correct all along to question game one's move.

Yesterday's game setup the same way, he didn't make the mistake he made in game one. Didn't panic and overshoot, and look at where they are.  You continue to incorrectly say that what happened after Hader left would have happened if their positions of pitching were changed.  How someone with even average intelligence can do this is eye opening.  If you were to continue with this line of thinking, then outcomes in life would always be the same.  But we know in the real world they are not.  Baseball or any sport isn't that predictable.  Even if you played the game out the exact same way 100 times with the same pitching changes, the outcomes would not be the same, so why do you insist on your argument?  It's why a guy taking 100 shots from the same spot on the floor doesn't make them all, because nothing in sports (or life) is that consistent.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Let me add that getting Jeffress in a little earlier seemed to work for him last night.  He was on his edge, not over it.  And his stuff was absolutely electric.  Sets him up well for tonight.

Agreed.  He wasn't hyperventilating as he had been in the earlier in the series and his breaking stuff stayed down in the strike zone.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

What a missed opportunity for the Brewers.  if only Chicos was the manager they would have swept already.

[WarriorDad]

Agreed.  He wasn't hyperventilating as he had been in the earlier in the series and his breaking stuff stayed down in the strike zone.

Exactly!  That was my point earlier, some of the guys that pitched at the back end in game 1 would have done better, different situation in the middle innings then the final innings.  Counsell is learning, and that's good for the Brewers.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Front row Amy was on her A game last night, as well.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Exactly!  That was my point earlier, some of the guys that pitched at the back end in game 1 would have done better, different situation in the middle innings then the final innings.  Counsell is learning, and that's good for the Brewers.

Chicos just shut the F up!!

[wadesworld]

Exactly!  That was my point earlier, some of the guys that pitched at the back end in game 1 would have done better, different situation in the middle innings then the final innings.  Counsell is learning, and that's good for the Brewers.

Wait. So we don't know how the game would've played out...but we know how the game would've played out.

God I love Chicos. You make MUScoop great again bud.

Brewers didn't need Hader to pitch game 1. They would've survived 3 more innings with guys who each gave up at least 1 run or gave up 2 hits to getting a single out. In a game the Brewers won by 1 and we saw how the pitchers Chicos says should've pitched over Hader, we can't say they would've pitched the same way for 3 extra innings, but we can certainly say the Brewers win game 1!

In reality, games 1 and 2 saw every pitcher Chicos claims would've rolled through an extra 3 innings of work get lit up. But we can't say that we know they'd continue to get lit up, everything would've been totally different because only Chicos, in his alternate reality, knows what the future held!

Lol.

PS Regarding my claim that you are a Kansas alum. Maybe each of your 3 personalities has a degree from a different school and when you were responding it wasn't that personality's moment in time. Lol. I'd say the same about each of your 3 personalities having a different username here to get around your bannings, but that'd make it like 14 usernames.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Front row Amy was on her A game last night, as well.

Disagree. More like a Double D

[GGGG]

Front row Amy was on her A game last night, as well.

Wearing the hot pink to overshadow the Marlins' guy in orange.

[GGGG]

Counsell learned something from game 1.  That is the way to manage the bullpen.

Game 1, brought in Hader in 5th inning despite up 5-1.  Wasted asset. Bad move.
Tonight, up 5-2 in the 5th inning, he holds tight.  Bullpen comes through. Hader available for 3 tomorrow.

Win the war, not the battle. 

He didn't "learn" anything.  Game 1 was intentionally a bull pen game.  He'd do the exact same thing if he had it over.

[jsglow]

Seriously, can you two take your argument somewhere else? Like a private PM.  Nobody else here gives a damn.  We understand your disagreement as your positions have been reiterated ad nauseam. Some of us would simply like to talk a little baseball during what is a high water mark in the 50 year history of our franchise.  I know there's an ignore button but please don't force all of us to refresh our memory as to how to do it.  Thanks in advance.

[forgetful]

Seriously, can you two take your argument somewhere else? Like a private PM.  Nobody else here gives a damn.  We understand your disagreement as your positions have been reiterated ad nauseam. Some of us would simply like to talk a little baseball during what is a high water mark in the 50 year history of our franchise.  I know there's an ignore button but please don't force all of us to refresh our memory as to how to do it.  Thanks in advance.

For the love of God +1.

It's like when that one idiot keeps ranting on the merits of Lebron.  No one wants to read that crap.

[4everwarriors]

Crean sucks

[#UnleashSean]

Seriously, can you two take your argument somewhere else? Like a private PM.  Nobody else here gives a damn.  We understand your disagreement as your positions have been reiterated ad nauseam. Some of us would simply like to talk a little baseball during what is a high water mark in the 50 year history of our franchise.  I know there's an ignore button but please don't force all of us to refresh our memory as to how to do it.  Thanks in advance.

honestly a few people needed to be banned from this thread a while ago.