NFC North / NFL Thread 2017-18

[Jay Bee]

My wife was laughing as we watched the end of the game. I said: "There is going to be a pretty large segment of American wagerers who are not laughing right now. And some who are celebrating."

Then MU82 added, "great Carolina win today, but if anyone puts up a Panthers "ornament" on our tree, I'm going to totally flip my sh1t!!!"

[MU82]

Nice to see my ornament dilemma bleed over into another thread.

Skol Panthers!

[Jockey]

Nice to see my ornament dilemma bleed over into another thread.

Skol Panthers!

Gonna be ugly today. Capers is on top of his game

[GGGG]

Capers isn't stellar but there aren't any impact players on this defense. Thompson's lack of ability to find high level talent recently has been this defense's main problem.

[Jockey]

Capers isn't stellar but there aren't any impact players on this defense. Thompson's lack of ability to find high level talent recently has been this defense's main problem.

Very true. But this defense has probably been dead last over the last 8 weeks while playing Chicago, TB, and Cleveland, etc.

[forgetful]

Capers isn't stellar but there aren't any impact players on this defense. Thompson's lack of ability to find high level talent recently has been this defense's main problem.

Disagree.  It's a chicken and egg type problem.  You make the claim that Capers is fine, the problem is Thompson and talent.  But they have drafted tons of talent, they just don't perform well in Capers system.

The the question is, were the players really not talented (Thompson), or is Capers system outdated and poor.  I think the problem is Capers hasn't adjusted to people learning how to beat his system.

[Jockey]

No coaching. No discipline.

[GGGG]

Disagree.  It's a chicken and egg type problem.  You make the claim that Capers is fine, the problem is Thompson and talent.  But they have drafted tons of talent, they just don't perform well in Capers system.

The the question is, were the players really not talented (Thompson), or is Capers system outdated and poor.  I think the problem is Capers hasn't adjusted to people learning how to beat his system.

I never said Capers was fine. I'm saying that he isn't the only one to blame.

Tell me what defensive players from Green Bay leave and perform well elsewhere?  Hayward is one but he was injured. Anyone else?

There just isn't high level talent.

[forgetful]

I never said Capers was fine. I'm saying that he isn't the only one to blame.

Tell me what defensive players from Green Bay leave and perform well elsewhere?  Hayward is one but he was injured. Anyone else?

There just isn't high level talent.

Micah Hyde is 4th in interceptions and performing better than Hayward (who you mention). 

We letter Peppers go, who is 11th in the league with 9.5 sacks, because he was underperforming in GB. 

On our team we have Matthews, Martinez, Dix, and Burnett, who are very skilled players. 

Hyde in particular went from a nickel back, to possible pro bowl player.

[GGGG]

You are overrating the current talent and exaggerating the quality of the talent that left. Peppers in particular is playing better in a limited role because there is better talent around him.

Anyway you are correct that a better coordinator could get more out of them. But the talent needs to improve too.

[Jockey]

No coaching. No discipline.

Newton has been very average and they are still on a pace for 450+

[Jay Bee]

Skol Vikings! The North is ours! The CONSENSUS is the best team.

[wadesworld]

Bullish!t dirty hit. Awful. Can't imagine he's not concussed again. Which may mean his season is over.

Carolina fans booing the call. Absurd. Guy should absolutely be ejected.

[Dish]

Man, Adams has taken some vicious cheap shots this year.

[Jockey]

Kick this punk out of the league.

No attempt at a legal block. Simple headhunting - absolutely trying to cause injury.

[wadesworld]

Of all the incompletions in the NFL, THAT is a completed pass? LOL!

[GGGG]

NFL rules are weird.  I have no idea how that was a touchdown catch.

[forgetful]

Kick this punk out of the league.

No attempt at a legal block. Simple headhunting - absolutely trying to cause injury.

Of all the incompletions in the NFL, THAT is a completed pass? LOL!

These are two big reasons, why even I am getting to the point I don't want to watch football anymore. 

Deliberate attempts to injure people largely goes unpunished.  If these things happened off a football field the people would be in jail. 

And on top of that just plain dumb rules.  There is no way there was definitive evidence that should be a touchdown.  Just zero.  Rules make no sense anymore. 

[Jockey]

Rusty!

2 easy TDs in a row underthrown.

[wadesworld]

These are two big reasons, why even I am getting to the point I don't want to watch football anymore. 

Deliberate attempts to injure people largely goes unpunished.  If these things happened off a football field the people would be in jail. 

And on top of that just plain dumb rules.  There is no way there was definitive evidence that should be a touchdown.  Just zero.  Rules make no sense anymore.

I watch very little football outside of the Packers. I know Chicos wants to tell me it's because players take a knee for the National Anthem. But it's really because the product is awful.

[GGGG]

I was watching meaningless bowl games last night.  College football is a much better product right now.

I will watch the Steeler / Patriot game this afternoon though.

[forgetful]

I was watching meaningless bowl games last night.  College football is a much better product right now.

I will watch the Steeler / Patriot game this afternoon though.

I find college football completely unwatchable.  Games are getting to the point that they last nearly 4 hours.  The play is terrible, the officiating even worse.  Rankings/playoff system about as dumb a system as possible. 

Would rather get 4 hours of work in, then watch college football.

[GGGG]

I find college football completely unwatchable.  Games are getting to the point that they last nearly 4 hours.  The play is terrible, the officiating even worse.  Rankings/playoff system about as dumb a system as possible. 

Would rather get 4 hours of work in, then watch college football.

I get my work done efficiently so I can waste time watching college football.

[JWags85]

Kick this punk out of the league.

No attempt at a legal block. Simple headhunting - absolutely trying to cause injury.

This why the NFL is a problem and also tricky.  It was a dirty hit but Thomas Davis is one of the good guys in the league.  Walter Payton award winner, couple other awards for character, he's not Rodney Harrison or Ndamukong Suh, but the culture of football has always been to light up the other guy as hard as you can from a young age.  Add in a defensive player who doesn't block often who has been taught "find someone to hit" as soon as a TO occurs, and here we are.

Its a violent game and it has some terrible results.  Davis was clearly upset and it wasn't because of a fairly inconsequential penalty.  That being said, he should have been ejected but the NFL has no clue what its doing.

[Jockey]

Time to draft some impact players.

TT hasn't shown that ability.