Howard Questions/Thoughts

[thanooj]

I think Henry is better overall. That might be because he was blessed with his size but size matters in basketball (giggity).

Excellent

[Dr. Blackheart]

If Markus stayed in high school, would he be a Top 10 recruit?

[Jay Bee]

If Markus stayed in high school, would he be a Top 10 recruit?

Top 20/25 probably. But, should have been this year. Nat'l service folks were lazy.

[wadesworld]

If Markus stayed in high school, would he be a Top 10 recruit?

Can he take his rightful place in the 2017 McDonald's AA game this coming summer?

[MU82]

Should Marcus declare afta dis season, hey?

He will not be old enough.

Here's hoping he's not tempted after NEXT season, though. Because although I think we will continue making nice progress in 2017-18, it is the following season that we could be serious FF contenders, in great part because we'll have one of the best PGs in the country.

[HoopsterBC]

He will not be old enough.

Here's hoping he's not tempted after NEXT season, though. Because although I think we will continue making nice progress in 2017-18, it is the following season that we could be serious FF contenders, in great part because we'll have one of the best PGs in the country.

He is still awful small for the NBA, I would agree in two years, maybe.  But I see him here all 4 years.  Not quick enough yet, not sure he is in the same league as
Isiah Thomas, and that has to be his benchmark.  Tonight will be interesting.

[MU82]

He is still awful small for the NBA, I would agree in two years, maybe.  But I see him here all 4 years.  Not quick enough yet, not sure he is in the same league as
Isiah Thomas, and that has to be his benchmark.  Tonight will be interesting.

As I've said elsewhere, the fact that a player might not be "ready" for the NBA does not mean he will stay in school. Athletes have all kinds of people whispering in their ears, often telling them conflicting information. Combine that with the fact that to be a great athlete, one must have supreme confidence, and it's sometimes too tempting to resist. And then there is whether the athlete likes school, believes he will prefer the college experience to the pros, needs money, etc, etc, etc. Many, many factors - and being "ready" might be one of the least in their eyes.

Henry wasn't "ready" for the NBA, but he never was going to stay here 2 years.

Vander wasn't "ready" for the NBA, but he wanted out of college.

Dozens upon dozens upon dozens of examples are available.

Selfishly, I hope Markus is here for 4 years. At his size, it will be a challenge to play in the NBA. He seems to value education highly. But who knows?

I'm enjoying him very much, am glad I will be able to say the same next season, and we'll see beyond that.

[WarriorFan]

If you look at under 6' NBA comps you have Isiah Thomas and (em) Isiah Thomas and AI and Nate Robinson and Aaron Brooks and Jameer Nelson and JJ Barea, DJ Augustin, Ty Lawson, Kyle Lowry.  The closest I see is JJ Barea.  Great shooter, OK floater... but he's so much stronger and quicker than Howard.  All the others are so much quicker it's not even close.  I don't think the NBA is a concern for 2-3 years.

[warriorchick]

As I've said elsewhere, the fact that a player might not be "ready" for the NBA does not mean he will stay in school. Athletes have all kinds of people whispering in their ears, often telling them conflicting information. Combine that with the fact that to be a great athlete, one must have supreme confidence, and it's sometimes too tempting to resist. And then there is whether the athlete likes school, believes he will prefer the college experience to the pros, needs money, etc, etc, etc. Many, many factors - and being "ready" might be one of the least in their eyes.

Henry wasn't "ready" for the NBA, but he never was going to stay here 2 years.

Vander wasn't "ready" for the NBA, but he wanted out of college.

Dozens upon dozens upon dozens of examples are available.

Selfishly, I hope Markus is here for 4 years. At his size, it will be a challenge to play in the NBA. He seems to value education highly. But who knows?

I'm enjoying him very much, am glad I will be able to say the same next season, and we'll see beyond that.

Markus is a super bright kid.  He graduated from high school a year early as Valedictorian.  My guess he wouldn't be stupid enough to leave before he is a consensus draft pick.  Compare that to Vander. The only people who were telling him he was going to get drafted were his knucklehead friends and (I assume) his agent.

[Herman Cain]

Markus is a super bright kid.  He graduated from high school a year early as Valedictorian.  My guess he wouldn't be stupid enough to leave before he is a consensus draft pick.  Compare that to Vander. The only people who were telling him he was going to get drafted were his knucklehead friends and (I assume) his agent.

Vander did not listen to his mother who wanted him to stay.

[Jay Bee]

Markus is a super bright kid.  He graduated from high school a year early as Valedictorian.  My guess he wouldn't be stupid enough to leave before he is a consensus draft pick.  Compare that to Vander. The only people who were telling him he was going to get drafted were his knucklehead friends and (I assume) his agent.

Can't have an agent before you gowne

[warriorchick]

Can't have an agent before you gowne

You can't sign one, but can you talk to one?

[GoldenZebra]

He can definitely shoot it. While he does have a nice tear-drop shot we have seen a couple times, hopefully he will still be able to attack the rim if the shot doesn't fall. The best part about it is, hes probably already one of the key focuses in the opponent scouting reports, and yet he was able to pour in so many 3s against X.

[GB Warrior]

He can definitely shoot it. While he does have a nice tear-drop shot we have seen a couple times, hopefully he will still be able to attack the rim if the shot doesn't fall. The best part about it is, hes probably already one of the key focuses in the opponent scouting reports, and yet he was able to pour in so many 3s against X.

At risk of hijacking of a thread...ah what the hell, here goes:

This team needs some towers at the 3 &4 spots who are some semblance of offensive threats (pogo sticks??) and a rim rocker to cover up the defensive deficiencies, so that Rowsey and Howard can play together in short spurts. If Froling can be that at the 5, I love the 1-4 of Howard, Rowsey, Cheatham, Sam with a year and an offseason under their belts. The hope is that allows Cheats to minimize his offensive limitations (in that he can't hit a shot that isn't a corner 3 or lay-up not to his left).

[MU82]

Markus is a super bright kid.  He graduated from high school a year early as Valedictorian.  My guess he wouldn't be stupid enough to leave before he is a consensus draft pick. 

Good.

Of course, the D-League has been filled with guys who were first-round draft picks but weren't really "ready" for the NBA. Our own Hankster is one of them. That's no shot at Henry; I don't blame him for leaving. But he was a consensus high pick, he ended up being a top-20 pick and he has played about 11 seconds as an NBA rookie. Noah Vonleh out of Indiana a couple years ago is another that leaps to mind - and he was a top-10 pick. Hell, Okafor can't get off the 76ers' bench!

The road will be tougher for Markus because of his size.

[GB Warrior]

Good.

Of course, the D-League has been filled with guys who were first-round draft picks but weren't really "ready" for the NBA. Our own Hankster is one of them. That's no shot at Henry; I don't blame him for leaving. But he was a consensus high pick, he ended up being a top-20 pick and he has played about 11 seconds as an NBA rookie. Noah Vonleh out of Indiana a couple years ago is another that leaps to mind - and he was a top-10 pick. Hell, Okafor can't get off the 76ers' bench!

The road will be tougher for Markus because of his size.

We've been over this with Hank, though. The difference between going pro last year versus this year is a 1st round grade and a guaranteed contract, unless you factor some SERIOUS progression to his game.

[#UnleashSean]

My understanding is that Howard CAN'T declare for the NBA draft this year because he's too young.

I believe its 19 or 1 year removed from highschool.


Edit its apparently both. Meaning howard is ineligible for the draft.

[Jay Bee]

I believe its 19 or 1 year removed from highschool.

False

[denverMU]

It's often mentioned Howard is only 17. My 18 year old son (who grew 5 inches from 17 to 18) pointed out Howard could still have a growth spurt. This could make him even better then he already is.

[4everwarriors]

Makes him more desirable to ND, hey?

[mileskishnish72]

What is it then, JayB? I thought unleash had it right, but mostly because I heard some guys on TV say the same thing today (but, of course they were on ESPN, so that's not much a reference for them).

[MU82]

We've been over this with Hank, though. The difference between going pro last year versus this year is a 1st round grade and a guaranteed contract, unless you factor some SERIOUS progression to his game.

Again, I don't blame HE for leaving. Lots of money on the table.

He's just an example of a first-round draft pick who wasn't really "ready." Maybe he never would have been really ready even if he had stayed 4 years. We'll see if his game is ever suited for the pros. Best-case scenario for Hank is a Steve Hawes-like career. We'll see.

As for Markus, he can't go pro even if he wanted to. Not old enough.

[GB Warrior]

It's often mentioned Howard is only 17. My 18 year old son (who grew 5 inches from 17 to 18) pointed out Howard could still have a growth spurt. This could make him even better then he already is.

[Jay Bee]

What is it then, JayB? I thought unleash had it right, but mostly because I heard some guys on TV say the same thing today (but, of course they were on ESPN, so that's not much a reference for them).

For foreigners... must be 19

US kids... 19 in calendar year of draft, AND one year lapse since graduation date or "would have" grad date