I Want Our Kamar Baldwin

[brewcity77]

My premise is that I wanted a three star player who no one expects to produce much as a freshmen to come in and play much better than you would expect in his first season.  Which is what Kamar Baldwin was last season. He was a starter for a top 25 team and a consensus all Big East freshman despite a composite rating below 150.

It's two different things. I agree about wanting that instant contributor as a lightly regarded freshman. I suspect we might have one this year if Greg Elliott needed to play 20+ mpg.

But anyone arguing Baldwin has been a net positive for Butler this year is out of their damn minds. He's a terrible player for them this year and one of the driving forces behind every one of their losses. Really glad he's not playing for us.

[Herman Cain]

It's two different things. I agree about wanting that instant contributor as a lightly regarded freshman. I suspect we might have one this year if Greg Elliott needed to play 20+ mpg.

But anyone arguing Baldwin has been a net positive for Butler this year is out of their damn minds. He's a terrible player for them this year and one of the driving forces behind every one of their losses. Really glad he's not playing for us.

I understand your venom for Baldwin, however It should be noted the Purdue coach felt that going into the game with Butler containment of Kamar was essential to victory. So at least that one guy has some respect for Kamar.

[Jay Bee]

Let us remember...

At the time of the OP in this thread.... (through games of Nov 25, 2016)...

Kamar Baldwin: 121.8 ORtg; 19% usage; 67.5% eFG%; 18.7% TO rate; 55% minutes played
Markus Howard: 100.4 ORtg; 17% usage; 61.1% eFG%; 29.8% TO rate; 37% minutes played

[brewcity77]

I understand your venom for Baldwin, however It should be noted the Purdue coach felt that going into the game with Butler containment of Kamar was essential to victory. So at least that one guy has some respect for Kamar.

It shouldn't be noted. He was terrible in that game. Maybe if he didn't shoot 19 times with a 28.9 eFG%, they would've been competitive.

Purdue did what teams do to Butler. Let Baldwin shoot. And they won with that strategy.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Let us remember...

At the time of the OP in this thread.... (through games of Nov 25, 2016)...

Kamar Baldwin: 121.8 ORtg; 19% usage; 67.5% eFG%; 18.7% TO rate; 55% minutes played
Markus Howard: 100.4 ORtg; 17% usage; 61.1% eFG%; 29.8% TO rate; 37% minutes played

Let us also remember at the time of the OP in this thread.... (through games of Nov 25, 2016)...

Markus Howard: 4-star Top 100 recruit
Kamar Baldwin: 3-star Top 200 recruit

This thread has never been about Markus Howard. He does not meet the pre-requisites, he is overqualified.

[Jay Bee]

Let us also remember at the time of the OP in this thread.... (through games of Nov 25, 2016)...

Markus Howard: 4-star Top 100 recruit
Kamar Baldwin: 3-star Top 200 recruit

This thread has never been about Markus Howard. He does not meet the pre-requisites, he is overqualified.

Wait a second... what are the "pre-requisites"? Certainly not 4-star, right?

Per the OP of this thread, "Its early, but Jamal Cain really strikes me as a player who could be our Kamar Baldwin. He's technically a four star"

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Wait a second... what are the "pre-requisites"? Certainly not 4-star, right?

Per the OP of this thread, "Its early, but Jamal Cain really strikes me as a player who could be our Kamar Baldwin. He's technically a four star"

Finish the quote:

"but he's outside the top 100 by most services"

And by the time the season ended I'm pretty sure he was outside the top 100 in every service and had a 3 star composite ranking.

Markus had literally nothing to do with my point. I can love having Markus and want a three-star gem.

[genious expert]

Finish the quote:

"but he's outside the top 100 by most services"

And by the time the season ended I'm pretty sure he was outside the top 100 in every service and had a 3 star composite ranking.

Markus had literally nothing to do with my point. I can love having Markus and want a three-star gem.

Cain was a 4 star on 247 internal, Rivals and ESPN. Ranked in the Top 100 on 247 internal (#98) and Rivals (#80).
247 Composite he was a 3 star and #143.
So 3/4 of the sites they used had him as a 4 star. Not sure what Scout had him as since their rankings are blown away now but it must've been low.

[GooooMarquette]

I'd rather get a 4 star who plays like a 4 star than a 3 star who plays like a 3 star.

But maybe that's just me....

[We R Final Four]

Well said. You are not alone.

[Galway Eagle]

I'd rather get a 4 star who plays like a 4 star than a 3 star who plays like a 3 star.

But maybe that's just me....

What about a 3 star who plays like a 5 star? Or would you rather a 5 star who plays like a four star?

[MerrittsMustache]

Star rating no matta.

[T-Bone]

I want a team of NRs.  Or a team of Ners.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I want a team of NRs.  Or a team of Ners.

Just follow Chicago State!

[Newsdreams]

I want a team of NRs.  Or a team of Ners.

Yo, T-Bone Ners was a one and done but he blew a knee going for a dunk during practice (HS that is)

[Herman Cain]

It's two different things. I agree about wanting that instant contributor as a lightly regarded freshman. I suspect we might have one this year if Greg Elliott needed to play 20+ mpg.

But anyone arguing Baldwin has been a net positive for Butler this year is out of their damn minds. He's a terrible player for them this year and one of the driving forces behind every one of their losses. Really glad he's not playing for us.

Kamar Baldwin Stats last two games both wins:

Georgetown  31 points 5 rebounds 1 assist 2 blocks 3 steals 1 TO
Villanova       19 points  9 rebounds 7 assists  2 steals  3 TO

Season average 14.5 4.8 boards 3.0 assists 2 steals 2.4  TO

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

[MuMark]

Kamar Baldwin Stats last two games both wins:

Georgetown  31 points 5 rebounds 1 assist 2 blocks 3 steals 1 TO
Villanova       19 points  9 rebounds 7 assists  2 steals  3 TO

Season average 14.5 4.8 boards 3.0 assists 2 steals 2.4  TO

Ortg 98........ 30% on 3s.....efg 47%.......high usage....not efficient

[brewcity77]

Kamar Baldwin Stats last two games both wins:

Georgetown  31 points 5 rebounds 1 assist 2 blocks 3 steals 1 TO
Villanova       19 points  9 rebounds 7 assists  2 steals  3 TO

Season average 14.5 4.8 boards 3.0 assists 2 steals 2.4  TO

He has his first two good games of the year and you act like it's a revelation. Look, I get it, you don't have a good grasp of how to interpret statistics, but you don't have to repeatedly broadcast it to make yourself look bad.

[Dr. Blackheart]

The three star had a 132 Orating last night, on 8-14 shooting, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, and only 1 turn.

[brewcity77]

He's been much better since the start of conference play, no doubt about it.

[Jay Bee]

Season:
Kamar - 101.2 ORtg, 24.8% usage, 48.3% eFG%. Blistering 26/82 for 31.7% from deep; sub 50% 2FG%
M2N - 122.0, 28.5% usage; 59.0% eFG%

Vs. Tier A+B:
Kamar - 96.6, 26.6%, 44.4%, 13.7% to%
M2N - 119.8, 29.8%, 58.5%, 11.9% to%

crown him

[Dr. Blackheart]

Season:
Kamar - 101.2 ORtg, 24.8% usage, 48.3% eFG%. Blistering 26/82 for 31.7% from deep; sub 50% 2FG%
M2N - 122.0, 28.5% usage; 59.0% eFG%

Vs. Tier A+B:
Kamar - 96.6, 26.6%, 44.4%, 13.7% to%
M2N - 119.8, 29.8%, 58.5%, 11.9% to%

crown him

Marquette Defense:  "We make 3 Stars into 5 Stars"

[Floorslapper]

Season:
Kamar - 101.2 ORtg, 24.8% usage, 48.3% eFG%. Blistering 26/82 for 31.7% from deep; sub 50% 2FG%
M2N - 122.0, 28.5% usage; 59.0% eFG%

Vs. Tier A+B:
Kamar - 96.6, 26.6%, 44.4%, 13.7% to%
M2N - 119.8, 29.8%, 58.5%, 11.9% to%

crown him

Unfortunately for us, the game is played on both ends.  Have to tip the cap to Baldwin, he outplayed Markus last night, and made it extremely difficult for both Markus and Rowsey to get their 3-ball off.

That aside, in no way if hypothetically offered the opportunity to trade Markus for Baldwin, would I.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Season:
Kamar - 101.2 ORtg, 24.8% usage, 48.3% eFG%. Blistering 26/82 for 31.7% from deep; sub 50% 2FG%
M2N - 122.0, 28.5% usage; 59.0% eFG%

Vs. Tier A+B:
Kamar - 96.6, 26.6%, 44.4%, 13.7% to%
M2N - 119.8, 29.8%, 58.5%, 11.9% to%

crown him

Again, Markus had nothing to do with the OP. I want both Markus and a 3 star who plays as well as Baldwin does.