I Want Our Kamar Baldwin

[Jay Bee]

Kamar is averaging 13.4 ppg 4.1 rebound and 2.6 assists a game. In the real world of actual production he is doing a good job. 

Okie. And against good comp he's been brutal.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2017/12/16/insider-another-poor-start-dooms-butler-loss-purdue/940895001/

"Also, Butler is not so strong that it can compensate for what might have been Kamar Baldwin's worst college game. Until four baskets in the closing 5 ½ minutes, he shot 1-of-12 from the field. He finished 5-of-19 with 13 points, zero assists and five turnovers."

[4everwarriors]

Any y'all seen this 6'9" freshman cat at Washington HS who verballed ta ASU tadey, hey?

[wadesworld]

Any y'all seen this 6'9" freshman cat at Washington HS who verballed ta ASU tadey, hey?

Wonder if he follows Hurley to Duke, ai'na?

[4everwarriors]

Goes by da name, Michael Foster, hey?

[4everwarriors]

Hell, Hurley may be coachin' both Foster and Herro at Kentucky bye den, assumin' Herro isn't preoccupied startin' four da Lakers, hey?

[Herman Cain]

Any y'all seen this 6'9" freshman cat at Washington HS who verballed ta ASU tadey, hey?

Maybe he will change his mind by Senior year.

[4everwarriors]

Fercockt and ferdrayt, ai na?

[brewcity77]

Kamar is averaging 13.4 ppg 4.1 rebound and 2.6 assists a game. In the real world of actual production he is doing a good job.  No one ever said he was more effective than Markus or Sam.

This is a perfect example of why he's NOT doing a good job. Sam is averaging more points, rebounds, and nearly identical assists but with 6.2% lower usage and fewer shots. Baldwin scores less despite taking over 3 more shots per game.

More points, more rebounds, nearly identical minutes, fewer shots.

And don't get me started on Markus. Sure, he takes 1.6 more shots per game, but scores 9.4 ppg more with those 1.6 shots.

Production without perspective is meaningless.

[fjm]

This is a perfect example of why he's NOT doing a good job. Sam is averaging more points, rebounds, and nearly identical assists but with 6.2% lower usage and fewer shots. Baldwin scores less despite taking over 3 more shots per game.

More points, more rebounds, nearly identical minutes, fewer shots.

And don't get me started on Markus. Sure, he takes 1.6 more shots per game, but scores 9.4 ppg more with those 1.6 shots.

Production without perspective is meaningless.

I've played enough NBA jams to know that Markus is shooting from the 5pt circle and Baldwin is shooting from the 3 point line more. Hence the large increase in points from those 1.6 shots.

Can't fool me Brew and JB.

[PGsHeroes32]

I've played enough NBA jams to know that Markus is shooting from the 5pt circle and Baldwin is shooting from the 3 point line more. Hence the large increase in points from those 1.6 shots.

Can't fool me Brew and JB.

Not sure you really understand the term production lol

Edit no idea why this quote you

Clearly was quoting Herman

[Herman Cain]

This is a perfect example of why he's NOT doing a good job. Sam is averaging more points, rebounds, and nearly identical assists but with 6.2% lower usage and fewer shots. Baldwin scores less despite taking over 3 more shots per game.

More points, more rebounds, nearly identical minutes, fewer shots.

And don't get me started on Markus. Sure, he takes 1.6 more shots per game, but scores 9.4 ppg more with those 1.6 shots.

Production without perspective is meaningless.

You didn't read the whole post. I said no one says Kamar Baldwin is more efficient than Sam and Markus. He is having a good year none the less.

[muwarrior69]

This is a perfect example of why he's NOT doing a good job. Sam is averaging more points, rebounds, and nearly identical assists but with 6.2% lower usage and fewer shots. Baldwin scores less despite taking over 3 more shots per game.

More points, more rebounds, nearly identical minutes, fewer shots.

And don't get me started on Markus. Sure, he takes 1.6 more shots per game, but scores 9.4 ppg more with those 1.6 shots.

Production without perspective is meaningless.

Brew I like your posts here but your yahoo instant messenger "thingy" is blocking what you have to say. Perhaps reducing the font size might help.

[GGGG]

You didn't read the whole post. I said no one says Kamar Baldwin is more efficient than Sam and Markus. He is having a good year none the less.

Remember last year when we were worried about Haanif?  Well Baldwin is shooting worse than Haanif did, and is assisting and turning it over at about the same rate.  And he's being used more.

He's plateaued a bit and needs to take that next step.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Remember last year when we were worried about Haanif?  Well Baldwin is shooting worse than Haanif did, and is assisting and turning it over at about the same rate.  And he's being used more.

He's plateaued a bit and needs to take that next step.

In other words, he is a three star.

[brewcity77]

You didn't read the whole post. I said no one says Kamar Baldwin is more efficient than Sam and Markus. He is having a good year none the less.

No, he's not. His usage rate is too high for an efficiency that low. Look at their three losses and Baldwin's shooting percentages:

2PFG: 13/40 (32.5%)
3PFG: 4/15 (26.7%)
FGs: 17/55 (30.9%)
eFG%: 34.5%

He is the main reason for those losses. He takes too many shots and does so poorly. He led the team in attempts in 2/3 losses and in total attempts in losses. Even in wins, he hasn't had a 100+ ORtg against any top-100 teams. He is having a bad year, and a terrible year against good teams, but he keeps shooting. That's partially on him and partially on the staff.

The bigger the game, the more he shoots, and the worse Butler does. But please, let him keep shooting, because it makes our Butler sweep that much more likely.

[We R Final Four]

In other words, he is a three star.

Haha. Exactly.

Perhaps his stats are consistent with what one would expect from a 3 star recruit.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

As I've said in this thread repeatedly,  I never said I wanted Baldwin over Sam or Markus,  so the comparisons are irrelevant.

My premise is that I wanted a three star player who no one expects to produce much as a freshmen to come in and play much better than you would expect in his first season.  Which is what Kamar Baldwin was last season. He was a starter for a top 25 team and a consensus all Big East freshman despite a composite rating below 150.

[MUDPT]

FWIW, Baldwin is all over "NBA Draft Twitter" as a prospect.

[Silkk the Shaka]

FWIW, Baldwin is all over "NBA Draft Twitter" as a prospect.

Odd

[Silkk the Shaka]

No, he's not. His usage rate is too high for an efficiency that low. Look at their three losses and Baldwin's shooting percentages:

2PFG: 13/40 (32.5%)
3PFG: 4/15 (26.7%)
FGs: 17/55 (30.9%)
eFG%: 34.5%

He is the main reason for those losses. He takes too many shots and does so poorly. He led the team in attempts in 2/3 losses and in total attempts in losses. Even in wins, he hasn't had a 100+ ORtg against any top-100 teams. He is having a bad year, and a terrible year against good teams, but he keeps shooting. That's partially on him and partially on the staff.

The bigger the game, the more he shoots, and the worse Butler does. But please, let him keep shooting, because it makes our Butler sweep that much more likely.

Yeah he's... not very good this year. At all. If he was on MU he'd be everyone's least favorite player, with people on here begging him not to shoot.

The Butler sweep I feel is the most realistic of the mid-tier teams, almost needs to happen to have a good tourney shot. Keep shooting Kamar!

[Pakuni]

MU has a former two-star recruit averaging 21 ppg.

[MU82]

All's I know is that whatever shytty shyte Baldwin is doing this season, I hope he does it even worse on Jan. 12 and Jan. 31. Especially the first game because it's the only MU game I'll be attending this season.

[Dr. Blackheart]

How's Big Chris doing in the NBA?

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

How's Big Chris doing in the NBA?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

MU has a former two-star recruit averaging 21 ppg.

True.  I was more commenting on our ability to pick a gem out of the high school ranks. The closest I can think of is big Sheesh but even he was an end of the bench player as a freshman