Glass Ceiling has been smashed!

[Galway Eagle]

Since it is in part based on the number of Representatives each state has, and since that is based on population, it is most certainly reflective.

Ct warrior said what I was going to but more eloquently

[jesmu84]

Couple good electoral college videos:

https://www.youtube.com/v/OUS9mM8Xbbw

https://www.youtube.com/v/7wC42HgLA4k

[buckchuckler]

Then I obviously live in the wrong country. Im tired and embarassed. I didnt go to class today because I didnt want people to hear my accent. Im done with the US, just done. This was just the final straw.

Bye.  Hope you like it in Oz.  Though I suspect the Wizard will eventually let you down.

[buckchuckler]

They're not mutually exclusive.

I'm also embarrassed to be an American today.

I disagree.  I am not.

Whether or not you like the results of the election, the fact is we all had the opportunity to vote.  That isn't something to be embarrassed about.  People felt differently than you.  That is nothing to be embarrassed about.  Every nation has had its share of bad leaders, the US isn't even near the leader board.  That is nothing to be embarrassed about.  We live in a country that affords more opportunity to its people than any other on the planet, we live in a country that donates more time and money outside its own borders than any other on the planet.  That is not something to be embarrassed about.

It is ok to not like the results.  It happens.  But all the "end is coming" "sky is falling" rhetoric seems a bit extreme to me.  Our government is set up so that one person can only do so much.  Yes, you may say that he has congress as well, but as was well documented, the members of his own party were not exactly lock step with his agenda.

Want to move to Europe?  Yeah, their leaders are glowing pillars of humanity.  Their histories are free of any of the scars which ours bears.  Their political systems are completely calm and settled at this time and they aren't dealing with any of the strife that faced the US in this election.  Good luck with the move.  I hope you can watch MU Bball on the foxsportsgo app. 

I, today, am proud that I live in a country that has peacefully transferred power between parties for the entirety of its history.  I am proud to live in a country where people who disagree can say whatever they want.  I am proud that people that disagree can protest in the streets.  I am proud that if things go sideways in the next 2 years, the people have the power to take Congress away from the party in power.   

I chose to believe that the crazier ideas he threw around will not have support to get done.  My hope is that it was campaign chest thumping. 

I am proud to be an American.  I am proud of the system we have.  It isn't always perfect, in fact it never is.  It is made up of people that are always flawed.  I am proud of those that handled their victories with dignity.  I am proud of those who handled their defeats with grace.  I am proud that I live in a country that is and has long been a leader in human rights, and helping those with less. This country isn't perfect, but I do believe that it is closer to that goal than any other on the planet.  And likely closer to that than any in the history of this planet.  To cast shame and doubt and racism on millions and millions with a broad brush is irresponsible, negligent and ignorant. 

[buckchuckler]

This
Because there are less people. Look if your views are the minority you shouldn't get to control the highest office, that's just not how a realistic democracy works. If you want to keep the electoral college that's perfectly fine but then we have to stop pretending we're the gold standard of democracy and equality because that's simply not true.

In your opinion, what then, is the gold standard? 

[brandx]

I disagree.  I am not.

Whether or not you like the results of the election, the fact is we all had the opportunity to vote.  That isn't something to be embarrassed about.  People felt differently than you.  That is nothing to be embarrassed about.  Every nation has had its share of bad leaders, the US isn't even near the leader board.  That is nothing to be embarrassed about.  We live in a country that affords more opportunity to its people than any other on the planet, we live in a country that donates more time and money outside its own borders than any other on the planet.  That is not something to be embarrassed about.

.......
....... 

I, today, am proud that I live in a country that has peacefully transferred power between parties for the entirety of its history.  I am proud to live in a country where people who disagree can say whatever they want.  I am proud that people that disagree can protest in the streets.  I am proud that if things go sideways in the next 2 years, the people have the power to take Congress away from the party in power.   

I chose to believe that the crazier ideas he threw around will not have support to get done.  My hope is that it was campaign chest thumping. 

I am proud to be an American.  I am proud of the system we have.  It isn't always perfect, in fact it never is.  It is made up of people that are always flawed.  I am proud of those that handled their victories with dignity.  I am proud of those who handled their defeats with grace.  I am proud that I live in a country that is and has long been a leader in human rights, and helping those with less. This country isn't perfect, but I do believe that it is closer to that goal than any other on the planet.  And likely closer to that than any in the history of this planet.  To cast shame and doubt and racism on millions and millions with a broad brush is irresponsible, negligent and ignorant.

I agreed until the last sentence. To cast shame on every single person who voted for a SELF-ADMITTED sexual criminal is the only proper thing to do. To vote for such a criminal is irresponsible, negligent and ignorant regardless of your political beliefs.

[buckchuckler]

I agreed until the last sentence. To cast shame on every single person who voted for a SELF-ADMITTED sexual criminal is the only proper thing to do. To vote for such a criminal is irresponsible, negligent and ignorant regardless of your political beliefs.

But I think most people felt they faced two horrible choices.  Many viewed the other candidate as a negligent, untrustworthy criminal.  Many people saw 2 criminal choices.  They knew how one operated in politics.  The other they didn't.  One was seen as more of the same political syndicate.  The other horrible choice was at least new.

The parties completely failed their people.  Neither presented an option that was even palatable. 

[jesmu84]

A pretty good recap:

http://www.barstoolsports.com/barstoolu/the-cocky-and-dismissive-media-and-blog-world-has-nobody-to-blame-but-themselves-for-their-new-president-donald-trump

[jficke13]

Then amend the god damn constitution if you have to.  It's about time we updated our laws.  Fix the bear arms thing and throw something in about abortion if you want.  Just fu@king fix it.

But I disagree that voting is speech. For one, it's done in private. Two, nobody said you have to vote for a candidate on the ballot, vote for Mickey Mouse or Mia Khalifa if you want.  Or write in Monty Brewster.

If voting is speech, then so are income taxes, and last I checked, those were pretty compulsory, too.

Besides, tell me this.... what the hell is wrong with counting every voter instead of every vote?

That's what I said. Compulsory voting would require a constitutional amendment. Put one forward, advocate for it, perhaps it will pass. The new 1st amendment would need to specifically carve out voting, define it, and grant power to the federal government to compel citizens to vote or appear at the polls and officially abstain in order for this to change.

Sorry that we disagree, but your disagreement means that you disagree with the overwhelming weight of legal authority that currently defines the law of this country.

While it is possible to make the decision to not vote based on apathy, or laziness, or forgetfulness, that one could be abstaining to express dissatisfaction with the candidates, the democratic process itself, or literally any political reason whatsoever is sufficient to define abstention from voting as political speech, which is afforded the absolute maximum amount of 1st amendment protection available.

[Benny B]

While it is possible to make the decision to not vote based on apathy, or laziness, or forgetfulness, that one could be abstaining to express dissatisfaction with the candidates, the democratic process itself, or literally any political reason whatsoever is sufficient to define abstention from voting as political speech, which is afforded the absolute maximum amount of 1st amendment protection available.

Can counselor cite precedent?

[Benny B]

I agreed until the last sentence. To cast shame on every single person who voted for a SELF-ADMITTED sexual criminal is the only proper thing to do. To vote for such a criminal is irresponsible, negligent and ignorant regardless of your political beliefs.

Actually, they voted for his wife.  You know, 22nd Amendment etc.

[jesmu84]

Unsurprisingly, I'm still on board with Bernie: (minus some of his crazy financial stances)

"Donald Trump tapped into the anger of a declining middle class that is sick and tired of establishment economics, establishment politics and the establishment media. People are tired of working longer hours for lower wages, of seeing decent paying jobs go to China and other low-wage countries, of billionaires not paying any federal income taxes and of not being able to afford a college education for their kids - all while the very rich become much richer.

To the degree that Mr. Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him. To the degree that he pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him."

https://www.facebook.com/senatorsanders/posts/10155320833612908

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I disagree.  I am not.

Whether or not you like the results of the election, the fact is we all had the opportunity to vote.  That isn't something to be embarrassed about.  People felt differently than you.  That is nothing to be embarrassed about.  Every nation has had its share of bad leaders, the US isn't even near the leader board.  That is nothing to be embarrassed about.  We live in a country that affords more opportunity to its people than any other on the planet, we live in a country that donates more time and money outside its own borders than any other on the planet.  That is not something to be embarrassed about.

It is ok to not like the results.  It happens.  But all the "end is coming" "sky is falling" rhetoric seems a bit extreme to me.  Our government is set up so that one person can only do so much.  Yes, you may say that he has congress as well, but as was well documented, the members of his own party were not exactly lock step with his agenda.

Want to move to Europe?  Yeah, their leaders are glowing pillars of humanity.  Their histories are free of any of the scars which ours bears.  Their political systems are completely calm and settled at this time and they aren't dealing with any of the strife that faced the US in this election.  Good luck with the move.  I hope you can watch MU Bball on the foxsportsgo app. 

I, today, am proud that I live in a country that has peacefully transferred power between parties for the entirety of its history.  I am proud to live in a country where people who disagree can say whatever they want.  I am proud that people that disagree can protest in the streets.  I am proud that if things go sideways in the next 2 years, the people have the power to take Congress away from the party in power.   

I chose to believe that the crazier ideas he threw around will not have support to get done.  My hope is that it was campaign chest thumping. 

I am proud to be an American.  I am proud of the system we have.  It isn't always perfect, in fact it never is.  It is made up of people that are always flawed.  I am proud of those that handled their victories with dignity.  I am proud of those who handled their defeats with grace.  I am proud that I live in a country that is and has long been a leader in human rights, and helping those with less. This country isn't perfect, but I do believe that it is closer to that goal than any other on the planet.  And likely closer to that than any in the history of this planet.  To cast shame and doubt and racism on millions and millions with a broad brush is irresponsible, negligent and ignorant.

I cannot respect nor pretend to understand how anyone could possibly vote for that man.   

Disagreeing on policy, social issues, etc. is one thing.  Voting for Trump is something else entirely to me. 

I love this country.  However, the fact that 60 million people cast a ballot for a racist, misogynistic, ego-maniacal, uninformed piece of sh*t is an absolute embarrassment to me.   

That does not make me negligent or ignorant.  If you think so, you are the one that is ignorant. 

[Pakuni]

I am proud to be an American.

I'm neither proud nor embarrassed to be an American. It's pretty dumb to take pride (or shame) in the accident of one's birth, IMO.
I am, however, frequently proud and embarrassed by the words and actions of my fellow Americans.

Also, "Proud to be an American" is the worst song ever.

[brandx]

But I think most people felt they faced two horrible choices.  Many viewed the other candidate as a negligent, untrustworthy criminal.  Many people saw 2 criminal choices.  They knew how one operated in politics.  The other they didn't.  One was seen as more of the same political syndicate.  The other horrible choice was at least new.

The parties completely failed their people.  Neither presented an option that was even palatable.

This time I agree with the last sentence.

[rocket surgeon]

I did not vote for Hillary. I did not vote for Donald. I do not want either as the President of the US.

Markets TANKING at the thought of Trump presidency. Worse than 9/11.

More importantly...

Mark Lazerus ‏@MarkLazerus  1h1 hour ago
I can't imagine what this is like, the message this sends, to people of color, to women, to immigrants, to LGBTQ people, to so many.

This is honestly disappointing. I get disenfranchised people. I do. But it was more than that. So much more.
A candidate ran, in a small percentage, on racism. And the US supported it.

I could easily point to baby boomers as wanting "their" America back. But it's not like Millenials were running from Trump.

Crazy night.

Edit: Our VP-elect doesn't believe in evolution.

you fell for that?  you're smarter than that jesmu-shoulda grabbed with both hands

[Tugg Speedman]

It's a shame that the politics board was deleted because I started dozens of threads explaining exactly why this would happen.  I kind of think the board was ended because of my relentless explaining of the biggest political event of your lifetime was coming and the moderators were tired of listening to it.

And I can see from this thread that most still don't understand what exactly happened.  Hint, if you use the words sexism or racism in explaining what happened your just trying to make yourself feel better, not understand what happened.

But moving on let me focus on this

On January 20 ....

President - republican
Senate - republican
House - republican
Majority of governors - republican
Majority of state legislatures - republican

This is the first time in 200 years that the democrat party does not have a majority in anything.  Who is their leader?  Who is their highest profile current politician (Obama is retiring so he no longer counts)?  Is the answer no one?  Is this their lowest point in two centuries?  I say yes.

How does this change?  It has to kick out everyone in leadership, and I mean everyone.  If it does not it will never have a majority in our lifetime Who should lead it?  Sanders is too old. 

How about the one  person on the left that understands the "deplorables" and can form a coalition with minorities to bring the party back to a place of relevancy.  And I'm serious about this, their 2020 Presidential candidate ... Michael Moore.


Moore said this in October in Ohio and man does he get it.


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https://soundcloud.com/user-87363945/micheal-moore-maga



If you don't want to listen to it, here is the transcript.

I know a lot of people in Michigan that are planning to vote for Trump and they don't necessarily agree with him. They're not racist or redneck, they're actually pretty decent people and so after talking to a number of them I wanted to write this.

Donald Trump came to the Detroit Economic Club and stood there in front of Ford Motor executives and said "if you close these factories as you're planning to do in Detroit and build them in Mexico, I'm going to put a 35% tariff on those cars when you send them back and nobody's going to buy them." It was an amazing thing to see. No politician, Republican or Democrat, had ever said anything like that to these executives, and it was music to the ears of people in Michigan and Ohio and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin - the "Brexit" states.

You live here in Ohio, you know what I'm talking about. Whether Trump means it or not, is kind of irrelevant because he's saying the things to people who are hurting, and that's why every beaten-down, nameless, forgotten working stiff who used to be part of what was called the middle class loves Trump. He is the human Molotov Cocktail that they've been waiting for; the human hand grande that they can legally throw into the system that stole their lives from them. And on November 8, although they lost their jobs, although they've been foreclose on by the bank, next came the divorce and now the wife and kids are gone, the car's been repoed, they haven't had a real vacation in years, they're stuck with the sh*tty Obamacare bronze plan where you can't even get a f*cking percocet, they've essentially lost everything they had except one thing - the one thing that doesn't cost them a cent and is guaranteed to them by the American constitution: the right to vote.

They might be penniless, they might be homeless, they might be f*cked over and f*cked up it doesn't matter, because it's equalized on that day - a millionaire has the same number of votes as the person without a job: one. And there's more of the former middle class than there are in the millionaire class. So on November 8 the dispossessed will walk into the voting booth, be handed a ballot, close the curtain, and take that lever or felt pen or touchscreen and put a big f*cking X in the box by the name of the man who has threatened to upend and overturn the very system that has ruined their lives: Donald J Trump.

They see that the elite who ruined their lives hate Trump. Corporate America hates Trump. Wall Street hates Trump. The career politicians hate Trump. The media hates Trump, after they loved him and created him, and now hate. Thank you media: the enemy of my enemy is who I'm voting for on November 8.

Yes, on November 8, you Joe Blow, Steve Blow, Bob Blow, Billy Blow, all the Blows get to go and blow up the whole g*ddamn system because it's your right. Trump's election is going to be the biggest f*ck you ever recorded in human history and it will feel good.

[Babybluejeans]

I'm neither proud nor embarrassed to be an American. It's pretty dumb to take pride (or shame) in the accident of one's birth, IMO.
I am, however, frequently proud and embarrassed by the words and actions of my fellow Americans.

Also, "Proud to be an American" is the worst song ever.

This is a perfect post start to finish.

(And that Lee Greenwood is a world-class piece of garbage.)

[jesmu84]

you fell for that?  you're smarter than that jesmu-shoulda grabbed with both hands

Which part?

[warriorchick]

Also, "Proud to be an American" is the worst song ever.

I believe the song to which you are referring is actually "God Bless the U.S.A"

And I am not surprised you don't like it, you godless communist.

[rocket surgeon]

You have no basis for this statement other than hubris and angst.

There was a similar emotional outcry in 1980 when Dutch was elected. What America got over the next 8 years was some of the more inspiring and effective leadership  we have ever enjoyed as a nation.

In November 1980 the prime rate was over 20%, unemployment was double digits, our military capability had been gutted, Soviet expansionism was a reality, and a third rate power had seized sovereign American soil and was holding our embassy staff hostage.

Before the end of that decade both the prime lending rate and unemployment were below 4%, our nation's military had been rebuilt, and the Berlin Wall came down as the Soviet Union crumbled.

Our hostages were released by Iran as Dutch Reagan was being sworn in. Apologists would have you believe it was one final dig at Carter by the mullahs. Far more likely, they feared the new CinC as a man of commitment and righteousness.

People saw Reagan's election as a sign of the Apocalypse; those same folks, and fellow travelers, are saying that once more. As Dutch Reagan once said, "Now there you go again."

bravo, bully and right on keefe. the reagan era is a part of our history that cannot be repeated soon enough. how soon people forget or if they were still taught any history in school , sadly, it was by the revisionistas.  God bless you for your service. right colin(or is it colon? )

[Pakuni]

I believe the song to which you are referring is actually "God Bless the U.S.A"

And I am not surprised you don't like it, you godless communist.

I'm flattered that your desire to correct me outweighed your embarrassment over knowing the song's correct title. 

[rocket surgeon]

Which part?

the futures market down last night-gasp!  people were real quick to say, see-i told ya....well, it's like catching falling knives, eyn'a?  that's what i thought you were alluding to anyway.  if i misread your comment, my bad

[Pakuni]

Jesse deserves credit for seeing the trend ahead of most if us.
But before he pulls a muscle patting himself on the back too much, let's also remember he also predicted Trump had no chance of winning the nomination, much less the presidency.

[warriorchick]

I'm flattered that your desire to correct me outweighed your embarrassment over knowing the song's correct title. 

I have never been embarrassed by my vast knowledge of useless, yet mildly interesting facts; that only happens to my hapless opponents in Trivial Pursuit.