Glass Ceiling has been smashed!

[Tugg Speedman]

Jesse deserves credit for seeing the trend ahead of most if us.
But before he pulls a muscle patting himself on the back too much, let's also remember he also predicted Trump had no chance of winning the nomination, much less the presidency.

Huh?  I was arguing he would do exactly this win since August 2015.

[Galway Eagle]

In your opinion, what then, is the gold standard?

Norway or Sweden

[MU82]

Clinton said the crushing loss was "painful and it will be for a long time" and acknowledged that the nation was "more divided than we thought."

Still, she was gracious in defeat, declaring: "Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead."

Interesting. This is exactly opposite how Trump said he would have reacted had Hillary won. He gave every indication that he would have been defiant and would have claimed the election had been "rigged."

Meanwhile ...

Trump spent years questioning Obama's birthplace and challenged the legitimacy of his presidency. Nevertheless, Obama invited Trump to the White House on Thursday, saying: "We are now all rooting for his success in uniting and leading the country."

Sounds exactly like what the Republicans said of Obama back in November 2008.

[buckchuckler]

I cannot respect nor pretend to understand how anyone could possibly vote for that man.   

Disagreeing on policy, social issues, etc. is one thing.  Voting for Trump is something else entirely to me. 

I love this country.  However, the fact that 60 million people cast a ballot for a racist, misogynistic, ego-maniacal, uninformed piece of sh*t is an absolute embarrassment to me.   

That does not make me negligent or ignorant.  If you think so, you are the one that is ignorant.

If you can't think of a s single reason why people would vote for him, or against her, you must be a complete party line hack that believes whatever the party tells you. 

[jesmu84]

I would like everyone to just relax. Give Trump time in the WH. See what the House, Senate and WH accomplish in a year or so before everyone freaks out and becomes crazy and obstructionist and whatever else.

However... Those on the right need to understand this:



2008 and 2012 were not met with open arms/hearts and a will to work together by the right. That's whatever. But then to get all mad when the left responds the same way in 2016? Dumb

[buckchuckler]

I'm neither proud nor embarrassed to be an American. It's pretty dumb to take pride (or shame) in the accident of one's birth, IMO.
I am, however, frequently proud and embarrassed by the words and actions of my fellow Americans.

Also, "Proud to be an American" is the worst song ever.

It isn't like I am proud of the geography.  It is that I am proud to be a part of the history and culture here.  Though I have contributed nothing to this country, I take pride in knowing what this country has accomplished.  From the political system, to the charitable nature of its people to the sacrifices made by the many that have made this entire world a better place through their struggles.  I am proud of the contributions my grandparents made to the world through their service to this country.  I am proud that this country gave my Grandpa the ability to go from an orphan to just about the pinnacle of his chosen profession.  I am proud that this country has given my parents, grandparents, brothers and family to be able to be whatever they want.  The ability to raise their families, to even have their families. 
It isn't about being fortunate enough to be born here.  That is why so many strive to be here.  It is why my grandparents and great grandparents came here from different parts of Europe.  I hope that if I had not been born here (obviously not possible, but anyways...) I would have been courageous enough to fight to come here.  I am proud to be a part of this country, and a part of the people that make up this nation.   I don't always agree with the larger population, but I am grateful for my freedom to disagree.  Places where everyone agrees are not natural.  I hope and pray I never live in such a place.  I am proud of what these people have accomplished over their history.  It hasn't always been pretty, but in the end, this country has mostly done what is right by the rest of the world.   

[Babybluejeans]

If you can't think of a s single reason why people would vote for him, or against her, you must be a complete party line hack that believes whatever the party tells you.

He didn't say he couldn't think of a reason why people would vote for Trump, just that he doesn't respect or understand those reasons.

[buckchuckler]

Norway or Sweden

Ah.  Two completely homogeneous societies, one with a population about that of new york city, the other far less.  Both with fantastic oil wealth.  I see.

I am honestly not too familiar how are those systems better?

[buckchuckler]

He didn't say he couldn't think of a reason why people would vote for Trump, just that he doesn't respect or understand those reasons.

Fine.  If you don't understand... same exact thing.

I didn't vote for him, but I can understand plenty of reasons why someone would vote against her.

[Badgerhoney]

You say that as if it's a bad thing.
More seriously, though, presidents already ignore smaller states like North Dakota. Trump or Hillary didn't exactly spend a lot of time campaigning in Fargo and Bismarck.
Also, states like North Dakota already have disproportionate representation in the legislature. They'd do just fine without the  disproportionate representation in the electoral college.

It is a bad thing, a horrible thing.  Did you not notice the amount of visits by both candidates to New Hampshire, tiny NH the last three weeks?  Or Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada?  That doesn't happen without the electoral college.

The great myth of the popular vote is everyone shows up. First off, we are a constitutional republic, not a democracy.  Second, voters in heavy red or heavy blue states from the opposite side often don't show up, so the true popular vote total is misleading.  Do Republicans vote in California at a level they should?  Democrats in Texas?  Not at all, they stay home because their votes is meaningless.  In doing so, the popluar vote total is skewed.

[GGGG]

I don't want the candidates visiting my state. 

[Badgerhoney]

Clinton said the crushing loss was "painful and it will be for a long time" and acknowledged that the nation was "more divided than we thought."

Still, she was gracious in defeat, declaring: "Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead."

Interesting. This is exactly opposite how Trump said he would have reacted had Hillary won. He gave every indication that he would have been defiant and would have claimed the election had been "rigged."

Meanwhile ...

Trump spent years questioning Obama's birthplace and challenged the legitimacy of his presidency. Nevertheless, Obama invited Trump to the White House on Thursday, saying: "We are now all rooting for his success in uniting and leading the country."

Sounds exactly like what the Republicans said of Obama back in November 2008.

What is most ironic or hypocritical is watching the citizenry today.  All of this dust up whether Trump would accept the results, yet we have people protesting (liberals) in the streets not accepting the results.  Chanting he isn't their president. In 2008, those people were labeled racists for saying the same thing. 

Hillary's surrogates also questioned Obama's birthplace.  Started the entire thing.

[Badgerhoney]

I would like everyone to just relax. Give Trump time in the WH. See what the House, Senate and WH accomplish in a year or so before everyone freaks out and becomes crazy and obstructionist and whatever else.

However... Those on the right need to understand this:



2008 and 2012 were not met with open arms/hearts and a will to work together by the right. That's whatever. But then to get all mad when the left responds the same way in 2016? Dumb

Democrats were the party of no before the GOP was.  Let's not forget that. 

[Badgerhoney]

I don't want the candidates visiting my state.

I do, and I'm glad they did.  I would hate to live in a California or New York, where they don't bother.

[Benny B]

I would like everyone to just relax. Give Trump time in the WH. See what the House, Senate and WH accomplish in a year or so before everyone freaks out and becomes crazy and obstructionist and whatever else.

However... Those on the right need to understand this:


2008 and 2012 were not met with open arms/hearts and a will to work together by the right. That's whatever. But then to get all mad when the left responds the same way in 2016? Dumb

Hypocrites exposing the hypocrisy of hypocrites.

America got what it deserved last night. Own it.

[Badgerhoney]

Wikileaks, one of the best things to happen in years.  Watching people that supposedly are for the truth, or even journalist upset about the truth coming out is the ultimate in craziness.

What the DNC did to Bernie Sanders was criminal.  The collusion with the media. No one can ever claim liberals and the media aren't tied together for the rest of time. The collusion on debate questions, what stories to print, what stories to spike. Wilileaks brought that home for all to see.  The media got destroyed last night, and that is a good thing.  It needs to rebuild itself into an entity that can be trusted.  Wikileaks proved what so many already knew. 

Complaints about the Russians? Is this proven?  No it is not.  If Wikileaks came out about Trump would complainers today have hesitated one second to use them?  Would the media? 

This photo from a Columbia University school of journalism said it all.

[Badgerhoney]

The electoral college has its positives and negatives, but no, it wasn't built to protect the voice of the minority or even small states. It was built to protect the presidency from an unqualified populist who would sway less educated voters (oops). It was, in fact, created to protect the elites from the masses.
Even backers of the college have to admit it's patently unfair. It makes a vote from a Wyoming resident, for example, far more valuable than one from a California resident.
There are downsides with a purely popular vote as well, of course.

This is wholly incorrect.  Completely incorrect on why it was created.  I was fortunate enough to take an electoral college class for an entire semester.  One of the best courses I have ever taken. 

[Vander Blue Man Group]

If you can't think of a s single reason why people would vote for him, or against her, you must be a complete party line hack that believes whatever the party tells you.

I can think of plenty of reasons people would vote against her, if she happened to be facing someone who was remotely qualified to lead our country. The problem is she was facing Donald Trump instead.

[Benny B]

I can think of plenty of reasons people would vote against her, if she happened to be facing someone who was remotely qualified to lead our country. The problem is she was facing Donald Trump instead.

Remember this: Trump would have been calling Bernie to concede at 9:00pm last night.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe Trump won because people thought Hillary was even less qualified to lead the country?

[Blackhat]

I don't think we have a clue how Trump will govern.   My hunch is he will be much more presidential and go right on some issues and surprisingly left on others.   Keep the two parties fighting for his ear. 

I was watching his buddy Tom Barrack on Bloomberg and he says Trump's style will be drastically different than as a campaigner when he was stirring the pot as an "outsider".     The supreme court nominee and what role Pence will really play will be interesting to see play out.   

The man is a wild card.   

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Remember this: Trump would have been calling Bernie to concede at 9:00pm last night.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe Trump won because people thought Hillary was even less qualified to lead the country?

No. Because that's absurd. I'm not a Hillary fan. I understand the dislike. I understand if people disagree with her policies or disagree with her philosophically or are uncomfortable with a number of other issues.

However, I cannot fathom how anyone of any intellligence with a modicum of common sense would make the choice that was made last night. Instead, uninformed people were driven by hate, anger, and misinformation to elect arguably the most unqualified individual to ever hold this office.

I am legitimately worried about the future of this country. If it was a Mitt Romney or John McCain, while I wouldn't agree with their platforms, at least I would feel that they had some idea of how to govern. I say this as a white male. I can only imagine how some other groups within our country feel today.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I don't think we have a clue how Trump will govern.   My hunch is he will be much more presidential and go right on some issues and surprisingly left on others.   Keep the two parties fighting for his ear. 

I was watching his buddy Tom Barrack on Bloomberg and he says Trump's style will be drastically different than as a campaigner when he was stirring the pot as an "outsider".     The supreme court nominee and what role Pence will really play will be interesting to see play out.   

The man is a wild card.

The problem is I don't think Trump has a clue on how he is going to govern.

In this day and age, the last thing I want in the White House is a wildcard with such incredibly thin skin that he had to have his Twitter account taken away from him like a child.

[jesmu84]

Democrats were the party of no before the GOP was.  Let's not forget that.

No argument here. Just trying to point out why today's situation between how some lefties are feeling compared to how righties are feeling.

[jesmu84]

Hypocrites exposing the hypocrisy of hypocrites.

America got what it deserved last night. Own it.

I am.

[jesmu84]

Vox clearly has a slant. But some videos with good information nonetheless:

Trump's victory, its implications and the Republican party going forward:
https://www.youtube.com/v/1PUtvNUSpHw

Democracy and the rise of Trump:
https://www.youtube.com/v/RLCUphApmr8