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Author Topic: Best case/worst case for 16-17  (Read 12951 times)

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Best case/worst case for 16-17
« on: March 11, 2016, 07:22:45 AM »
Best case:    Henry stays and with the last scholarship Wojo lands either Howard or Fernando.   Everybody gets into the weight room and stays healthy.   The team comes back bigger, stronger, and more focused.   They get after it from day 1.  The improved strength and conditioning leads to better man defense and rebounding.    Wojo feels comfortable enough to use all of his wings to go to some full court pressure.    MU goes to the final 4.

Worst case:   Henry leaves.   Wally leaves.   Sandy leaves.   Sacar leaves.    Wojo is unable to land either Howard or Fernando and strikes out with any quality graduate tranfers.   MU goes through another year with a ridiculously young team and only 10 scholarship players and  struggles to get to .500.
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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2016, 07:37:27 AM »
Way to narrow it down tower.  :-\

Best case when the fire bell sounds.  Guy knocks over his grill and tower puts it out with his handheld extinguisher.

Worst case when the bell sounds.  The First Wisconsin building (yes I'm old and that's what I call it) is fully engulfed as tower arrives on scene and because it's 100 degrees outside every kid has opened every hydrant around the city and there's no water pressure.

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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2016, 08:04:01 AM »
Add to best case:  Rowsey turns out to be even more of a scoring machine than predicted.

Add to worst case:  Rowsey is a complete washout.
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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2016, 08:08:22 AM »
Best case: National Championship

Worst case: They fire Wojo, hire Jim Crews, and complete the decent to SLU. #hiroshima

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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2016, 08:18:54 AM »
I think you mean to say "descent to SLU"...at least we can play 2/3 of our home games on campus then.  Is that a best case or worst case? ;D  That's a great analogy and I don't see the Billikens ever getting off the mat...
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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2016, 08:23:36 AM »
Probably somewhere in between those options but I'd say your worst case is much more likely than your best case.

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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2016, 08:40:22 AM »
Probably somewhere in between those options but I'd say your worst case is much more likely than your best case.

I'd disagree. I think the chances of Hank staying are significantly greater than the chances of Hank, Wally, Sacar, and Sandy all leaving.
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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2016, 08:44:36 AM »
I'd disagree. I think the chances of Hank staying are significantly greater than the chances of Hank, Wally, Sacar, and Sandy all leaving.

So you would take a bet on us being in the Final Four versus just over .500?  I'll gladly buy you dinner next time I'm in Houston if you win that one.

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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2016, 09:32:44 AM »
Best Case: Ellenson returns for another year. Wojo adds Howard and finds room for Bruno or Young. Rowsey is able to contribute instantly as a deep threat. Jajuan makes the jump from key role-player to first-team All Big East while Ellenson is BEPOY. Marquette battles Xavier for the league title and is a legitimate Final Four contender.

Worst Case: Both Ellensons leave and we lose another player to a transfer. Howard picks Baylor, Bruno and Young go elsewhere, and we again miss out in the grad transfer market. The team is still improved on the whole, but struggle on the glass once conference play rolls around. We break .500, but come Selection Sunday, are again hoping for a NIT bid instead of a NCAA one.

Most Likely Case: Henry leaves but everyone else returns. Howard picks Marquette, but no other freshmen join for 2016. Wojo succeeds in landing a grad transfer big man, but it isn't the elite Jaron Blossomgame type, instead more a utility guy. Overall player improvement offsets the loss of Henry and as a team, we are slightly better overall, but still not quite elite. We sneak back into the NCAA Tournament as an at-large team.
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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2016, 09:34:30 AM »
Likely case:  Regardless of personnel on board, the team continues to get abused on defense, and thus underperforms.

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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2016, 09:53:36 AM »
I wonder what  "duanewade" would say is his best case senerio? 

 duanewade: "Best case- whole school burns down and is rebuilt as a school solely for the teaching real estate.  Worst case senerio- Henry stays and wins back-to-back-to-back national championships and the school never holds teaches real estate again.
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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2016, 09:53:49 AM »
Reasonable case:

HE leaves.  Sacar finds a new team.

Hani, Traci each improve, getting 10-20% better. 

JJJ improves 10%

Sandy, Duane, Luke have reached their ceiling.

Rowsey is the best newcommer, helps.

RPI improves 30 points to around 70, plus or minus.  Last 4 out.

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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2016, 09:54:58 AM »
Also .. would someone mind helping edit the wiki? 

Do we know any other games / roster / coaching changes?

http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/2016

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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2016, 10:25:45 AM »
So you would take a bet on us being in the Final Four versus just over .500?  I'll gladly buy you dinner next time I'm in Houston if you win that one.

I was looking at it just in terms of player leaving
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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2016, 10:31:20 AM »
Best case:
Undefeated season, marking MU's first national championship since 1977 and the beginning of a 94-game winning streak. Hundreds of thousands of Wisconsin fans are eagerly welcomed on the bandwagon. Fox voluntarily triples the size of its deal with the Big East in response to overwhelming ratings. Marquette signs the #1 recruiting class in the country. And an anonymous donor commits $900 million to replace McCormick with a new on-campus arena.

Worst case:
An asteroid enters Earth's atmosphere and explodes above Real Chili — unleashing kinetic energy equal to a 5-megaton nuclear warhead. Marquette University and most of the city of Milwaukee are instantly vaporized. Our 100-year rivalry with the Badgers comes to a sudden and shocking end.
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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2016, 10:55:02 AM »


Worst case:
An asteroid enters Earth's atmosphere and explodes above Real Chili — unleashing kinetic energy equal to a 5-megaton nuclear warhead. Marquette University and most of the city of Milwaukee are instantly vaporized. Our 100-year rivalry with the Badgers comes to a sudden and shocking end.

Is that before or after the start of conference play?

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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2016, 11:05:14 AM »
At this point I wish I shared 2% of the optimism for next season as many on here feel. We cannot afford to lose any additional player than HE and need some incoming recruits big time. I had high hope this year and much was based off Wojo's ability to get the most out of every player in every game. Being young means nothing to me and really just an excuse.

This year was another wasted year IMO. Without HE this year we would have been a .500 or worse team. I hope that pessimistic view is completely wrong and Wojo surprises me next season. Again, they cannot afford to let any player leave or we will be in trouble.

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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2016, 11:12:02 AM »
Being young means nothing to me and really just an excuse.

Well then you're just being silly.  College age kids change quite a lot from year to year. 

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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2016, 11:13:46 AM »

Worst case:
An asteroid enters Earth's atmosphere and explodes above Real Chili — unleashing kinetic energy equal to a 5-megaton nuclear warhead. Marquette University and most of the city of Milwaukee are instantly vaporized. Our 100-year rivalry with the Badgers comes to a sudden and shocking end.

This actually happened. After guzzling Red White and Blues for 8 hours at the Lanche all 350 pounds of Nestor Figueroa    lumbered into Real Chili where he wolfed down three bowls of hot. The after shocks were felt on the West Coast as 120 pounds of ass cheek vibrated throughout the night and into the next morning.


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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2016, 11:16:51 AM »
At this point I wish I shared 2% of the optimism for next season as many on here feel. We cannot afford to lose any additional player than HE and need some incoming recruits big time. I had high hope this year and much was based off Wojo's ability to get the most out of every player in every game. Being young means nothing to me and really just an excuse.

This year was another wasted year IMO. Without HE this year we would have been a .500 or worse team. I hope that pessimistic view is completely wrong and Wojo surprises me next season. Again, they cannot afford to let any player leave or we will be in trouble.

You couldn't be more correct, Goose. If we lose any more of this year's firepower next season will be Scoop Armageddon.


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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2016, 11:19:56 AM »
You couldn't be more correct, Goose. If we lose any more of this year's firepower next season will be Scoop Armageddon.

Which "firepower" do you think would leave? I see 2 obvious possible transfers (Sandy, Sacar) and wouldn't classify either one of them as firepower.

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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2016, 11:26:41 AM »
Which "firepower" do you think would leave? I see 2 obvious possible transfers (Sandy, Sacar) and wouldn't classify either one of them as firepower.

My comment was simply that losing Henry is a huge loss and we are already in a deep hole from this year. If we lose any of our other significant contributors it could be Armageddon.

If Cohen and Anim are not significant contributors.


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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2016, 11:28:31 AM »
At this point I wish I shared 2% of the optimism for next season as many on here feel. We cannot afford to lose any additional player than HE and need some incoming recruits big time. I had high hope this year and much was based off Wojo's ability to get the most out of every player in every game. Being young means nothing to me and really just an excuse.

This year was another wasted year IMO. Without HE this year we would have been a .500 or worse team. I hope that pessimistic view is completely wrong and Wojo surprises me next season. Again, they cannot afford to let any player leave or we will be in trouble.

Wojo doubled his conference wins. Rookie mistakes create two choke jobs, otherwise we're looking at 10-8 record and fourth place in the conference. We have a dynamic Freshman in Cheatham. We have a potentially dynamic Freshman in Carter. We have a legitimate big man returning. We have an exciting prospect in Hauser. We have an exciting transfer in Rowsey. We have the possibility to add a dynamic incoming Freshman in Howard.

I just don't get the wasted year bull$hit. It reads like an old man realizing the dirt is creeping around his ankles and he feels he deserves one more jolly before they go a full six feet deep. Wojo was tasked with rebuilding a program that was left barren by the previous coach's firing. Considering how mediocre the middle of the Big East was this past season Marquette isn't that far off from accomplishing what people want. They're just too blind to see it even if people outside the program see it clearly.

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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2016, 11:35:29 AM »
Best case:
Undefeated season, marking MU's first national championship since 1977 and the beginning of a 94-game winning streak. Hundreds of thousands of Wisconsin fans are eagerly welcomed on the bandwagon. Fox voluntarily triples the size of its deal with the Big East in response to overwhelming ratings. Marquette signs the #1 recruiting class in the country. And an anonymous donor commits $900 million to replace McCormick with a new on-campus arena.

Worst case:
An asteroid enters Earth's atmosphere and explodes above Real Chili — unleashing kinetic energy equal to a 5-megaton nuclear warhead. Marquette University and most of the city of Milwaukee are instantly vaporized. Our 100-year rivalry with the Badgers comes to a sudden and shocking end.

Best Case -- You don't get busted for use of addictive drugs or the NCAA never finds out about the PEDs our team is consuming for breakfast, lunch and dinner as well as after-practice snacks!

Serious Best Case -- Henry stays. We learn to play defense effectively and Rowsey is the real thing. Our team has a chip on its shoulder and some scores to settle from 2015-2016. We make the tournament as a "3" or "2" seed after blowing away the rest of the Big East. Luke's foul problems dissipate and he is a late first-round NBA choice in the 2017 draft. We make the Final Four (this is possible if Henry stays and we learn defense) for the 40th anniversary of our last National Title. Butch and Bo are special guests for the national title game.

Serious Worst Case -- Henry leaves and we don't improve our defensive ability. Our team gives up an average of 84 points a game and we're a bubble team for the NCAA. Wojo ends up on the hot seat and Dr. Lovell gives him a "vote of confidence."

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Re: Best case/worst case for 16-17
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2016, 11:40:32 AM »
Best case: we get a strong power forward - a Jalen Reynolds, Andrew Delgado type.

Worst case: we don't.

We have a 0.0001% chance to make the tournament if JJJ, Hauser, Anim, and Cohen are our forwards.

 

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