NIT

[GGGG]

One other stat.  In the two games that Delgado and Ellenson played against one another, they both totaled 24 rebounds.  So in games that Henry played against the second leading rebounder in the BE, he averaged 12 rpg.  As much as Delgado.

So Earl and bilsu, do you need me to go on? 

[KenoshaWarrior]

Aggie

No teal intended (a convention I have never understood, by the way)

Marquette relies heavily on its basketball program far more than TAMU does its football. It is fair for the University to level set.

Personally, I am not optimistic for next year - in fact, I predict that we have an even more difficult season.

Marquette alums expect to eat at Morton's. For three years now we have been taken to Outback. Outback calls itself a steak house but we know what Morton's calls steak.

We arent even eating at outback. We are currently eating steaks at george webbs

[KenoshaWarrior]

I don't think anyone is happy with this season but take a step back and look at the progress. Wojo inherited a crap roster that was a last place team in a power conference. Four of the seven scholarship players on that roster from last year are gone. We had FOUR SCHOLARSHIP PLAYERS RETURNING FROM A TERRIBLE TEAM. Enter one of the youngest teams in the country. What did they do? Added 7 wins overall and 4 conference wins. We went from one of the worst power conference teams in the country to a possible NIT team in one year. We were 4-14 in the Big East last year. The Big East got better. We went 8-10. In one year. With 6 new players on the roster.

The entitlement on this board is unbelievable. Is it frustrating to maybe miss any postseason play for the 3rd consecutive year? Hell yeah it's frustrating. But we went from terrible to average in one year. The only other team to do that, oddly, was Virginia Tech. It's irritating given that we were an E8 team 4 seasons ago and coming off of a run of sustained success, but we're clearly back on the upswing. Maybe Wojo ends up not working out in the end but the program is obviously trending back in the right direction. It doesn't happen overnight.

For unnatural carnal knowledges sake

It happened over night for bucky. They lost 2 best players from last year" started season off by losing to WIU UWM Marq Gtown all non ncaa teams. Than literally overnight coach quits and they get way better with freshman stud and are in tourney. O yea a rookie head coach to boot

[KenoshaWarrior]

And, as mentioned, that just isn't true. 

The guy's the leading rebounder in the BE and his accomplishment is diminished by his own fan base.  Very, very strange.

these are the people that believe pointing out Henry flaws will make him stay

[Herman Cain]

As mentioned Henry doesn't rebound against physical teams. Luke is becoming a non-factor.
SO, JUST GET ME 2 OR 3 BIGS WHO CAN REBOUND, REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY STARS BEHIND
THEIR NAME. Don't know where but find them.Other teams do.

I disagree with the first part of your analysis. 

I agree with the second bolded part  Need some Michigan State,Cincinnati, Xavier , Seton Hall type bigs. 6-8 235 types

[fjm]

I predicted 22 I think? Could have easily gotten it with the Belmont, DePaul, creighton loses. But I thought this year was a success. Problem is we lost games we should have won.
I did predict the NCAA but NIT is a good take!
This season was a success!

[1SE]

This season was a success!

We'll find out tomorrow.

[fjm]

We'll find out tomorrow.

Fair

[RushmoreAcademy]

I predicted 22 I think? Could have easily gotten it with the Belmont, DePaul, creighton loses. But I thought this year was a success. Problem is we lost games we should have won.
I did predict the NCAA but NIT is a good take!
This season was a success!

Multiple projections now have us out of the NIT.   D'oh!

[CountryRoads]

I predicted 22 I think? Could have easily gotten it with the Belmont, DePaul, creighton loses. But I thought this year was a success. Problem is we lost games we should have won.
I did predict the NCAA but NIT is a good take!
This season was a success!

The increasing number of posts like this on this board make me truly sad. Does anyone even care that MU is falling completely off the map in the college basketball landscape?

I was at most of the games this year and the general feeling of apathy among the fan base (for the ones that did show up) is worrisome to say the least. Most are content with years like this. That's the worst part.

[brewcity77]

I predicted 22 I think? Could have easily gotten it with the Belmont, DePaul, creighton loses. But I thought this year was a success. Problem is we lost games we should have won.
I did predict the NCAA but NIT is a good take!
This season was a success!

We won more games we should have lost than the alternative.

[GGGG]

The increasing number of posts like this on this board make me truly sad. Does anyone even care that MU is falling completely off the map in the college basketball landscape?

I was at most of the games this year and the general feeling of apathy among the fan base (for the ones that did show up) is worrisome to say the least. Most are content with years like this. That's the worst part.

Would you feel better if we ranted and raved about it?

[fjm]

The increasing number of posts like this on this board make me truly sad. Does anyone even care that MU is falling completely off the map in the college basketball landscape?

I was at most of the games this year and the general feeling of apathy among the fan base (for the ones that did show up) is worrisome to say the least. Most are content with years like this. That's the worst part.

I absolutely do care that it's been a rough 3 years.

But does anyone not realize that rebuilding a team is tough? We had multiple mid season transfers out last year. We brought in a great class this year. People seem to forget that even Kentucky, Mich state etc... Can have great freshman classes but still not be successful.
The key is having those freshman become sophomores... Then they become juniors (and surprise! The class below them is now sophomores!!) and so on and so forth... That's how you build a great team.

Am I the only one that remembers Kentucky's amazing freshman class a few years back!? Yeah the one that barely made the NIT and then lost in the first or second round? Now some of those fresh are juniors and seniors and they have great freshmen also, but they also have great upper class support.

This is an MU team that was decimated when Buzz left. Wojo brought in a great class. So maybe remember that it takes time, or don't. Just don't forget that the Badgers (who I hate) didn't have huge frosh classes that made their success, they built it up. So some dummies on here who are saying we are done, then fine think that way... Or maybe think about how the sausage is made, not just how it tastes at the end.

Just sick of the puss bags that are afraid of seeing how the sausage is made and just expect results.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

The increasing number of posts like this on this board make me truly sad. Does anyone even care that MU is falling completely off the map in the college basketball landscape?

I was at most of the games this year and the general feeling of apathy among the fan base (for the ones that did show up) is worrisome to say the least. Most are content with years like this. That's the worst part.

I'm certainly not content with it, but it's a process, and one that's headed in the right direction. Wojo needs to continue to make strides, and I'm confident that he will.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

I absolutely do care that it's been a rough 3 years.

But does anyone not realize that rebuilding a team is tough? We had multiple mid season transfers out last year. We brought in a great class this year. People seem to forget that even Kentucky, Mich state etc... Can have great freshman classes but still not be successful.
The key is having those freshman become sophomores... Then they become juniors (and surprise! The class below them is now sophomores!!) and so on and so forth... That's how you build a great team.

Am I the only one that remembers Kentucky's amazing freshman class a few years back!? Yeah the one that barely made the NIT and then lost in the first or second round? Now some of those fresh are juniors and seniors and they have great freshmen also, but they also have great upper class support.

This is an MU team that was decimated when Buzz left. Wojo brought in a great class. So maybe remember that it takes time, or don't. Just don't forget that the Badgers (who I hate) didn't have huge frosh classes that made their success, they built it up. So some dummies on here who are saying we are done, then fine think that way... Or maybe think about how the sausage is made, not just how it tastes at the end.

Just sick of the puss bags that are afraid of seeing how the sausage is made and just expect results.

Nice post. I agree, sausages and all.

[GWSwarrior]

Latest bracket projections have us as "also considered" for the nit

[Dr. Blackheart]

Latest bracket projections have us as "also considered" for the nit

On the outside looking in right now

http://bracketmatrix.com/nit

[muguru]

On the outside looking in right now

http://bracketmatrix.com/nit

There's three teams on that list that jump out to me...Temple...Lunardi has them as in the NCAAs right now even with their loss today. Michigan might be in the dance as well, and Memphis will be if they win the American championship, though I suppose that could knock Temple out. Same with Monmouth, they might be in the dance as well.

IF MU doesn't make the NIT, this will be 3 straight years of no postseason.

Also not sure how Houston would get in ahead of MU, let alone be a #2 seed. They have 3 top 50 wins, and a non con SOS worse than MU's.

[JTBMU7]

Nebraska is opting out of the CBI and Vegas tourney, said the fact  that they took an overseas trip last summer was part of the decision. Wonder if MU will feel the same way assuming we don't make the NIT?

[Dr. Blackheart]

Wonder if MU will feel the same way assuming we don't make the NIT?

"NIT or bust", non è?

[rocket surgeon]

if not for anything else, i'd hate see henry go out with that 90-72 taste in his mouth.  not to mention probably one of his worst games of the year-wait, you mean we still have a chance?? of henry staying one more for the gipper that is

[bilsu]

One other stat.  In the two games that Delgado and Ellenson played against one another, they both totaled 24 rebounds.  So in games that Henry played against the second leading rebounder in the BE, he averaged 12 rpg.  As much as Delgado.

So Earl and bilsu, do you need me to go on?

I will be happy to respond to this. Henry gets some rebounds, because the rest of the players on MU's team are not good rebounders. You point out that in two games Delgado and Henry had the same amount of rebounds. However, if you would look at the box score Seton Hall in those two games out rebounded MU 89 to 64. Delgado got 26.97% of his teams rebounds and Henry got 37.5% of his teams rebounds. A clear indication that Delgado is surrounded by much better rebounders than Henry is. From day one I have been counting Henry's rebounds in games. The biggest problem he has is he is not able to play through contact. You easily notice it on his drives, because he usually does not finish if he is met with contact on the drive. This is contact that the refs do not even call fouls on. If you have been following his rebounding you would of notice that 90% of the time when he has two hands on a rebound and receives body contact from another player he loses the rebound. He gets rebounds by his great size and hands. He does not get rebounds by banging or jumping. I think if he would comeback next year with some added muscle and learn to play through contact he could put up numbers close to 25 pts 14 rbs a game, but right now even though he gets a lot of rebounds he is not a great rebounder.

[GGGG]

I will be happy to respond to this. Henry gets some rebounds, because the rest of the players on MU's team are not good rebounders. You point out that in two games Delgado and Henry had the same amount of rebounds. However, if you would look at the box score Seton Hall in those two games out rebounded MU 89 to 64. Delgado got 26.97% of his teams rebounds and Henry got 37.5% of his teams rebounds. A clear indication that Delgado is surrounded by much better rebounders than Henry is. From day one I have been counting Henry's rebounds in games. The biggest problem he has is he is not able to play through contact. You easily notice it on his drives, because he usually does not finish if he is met with contact on the drive. This is contact that the refs do not even call fouls on. If you have been following his rebounding you would of notice that 90% of the time when he has two hands on a rebound and receives body contact from another player he loses the rebound. He gets rebounds by his great size and hands. He does not get rebounds by banging or jumping. I think if he would comeback next year with some added muscle and learn to play through contact he could put up numbers close to 25 pts 14 rbs a game, but right now even though he gets a lot of rebounds he is not a great rebounder.

90% huh?

That is one bullsh*t stat right there.

[MU82]

I will be happy to respond to this. Henry gets some rebounds, because the rest of the players on MU's team are not good rebounders. You point out that in two games Delgado and Henry had the same amount of rebounds. However, if you would look at the box score Seton Hall in those two games out rebounded MU 89 to 64. Delgado got 26.97% of his teams rebounds and Henry got 37.5% of his teams rebounds. A clear indication that Delgado is surrounded by much better rebounders than Henry is. From day one I have been counting Henry's rebounds in games. The biggest problem he has is he is not able to play through contact. You easily notice it on his drives, because he usually does not finish if he is met with contact on the drive. This is contact that the refs do not even call fouls on. If you have been following his rebounding you would of notice that 90% of the time when he has two hands on a rebound and receives body contact from another player he loses the rebound. He gets rebounds by his great size and hands. He does not get rebounds by banging or jumping. I think if he would comeback next year with some added muscle and learn to play through contact he could put up numbers close to 25 pts 14 rbs a game, but right now even though he gets a lot of rebounds he is not a great rebounder.

All right already! You win!

Henry is a horsecrap rebounder. He should be embarrassed to have been the conference's top rebounder and should renounce that statistic immediately.

Furthermore, NBA teams should take note of this horsecrap rebounding and tell Hank they will not draft him at all. Not even in the second round.

Once that happens, we will be stuck with him and his horsecrap rebounding for another season. Tough break for Marquette!

[Herman Cain]

I will be happy to respond to this. Henry gets some rebounds, because the rest of the players on MU's team are not good rebounders. You point out that in two games Delgado and Henry had the same amount of rebounds. However, if you would look at the box score Seton Hall in those two games out rebounded MU 89 to 64. Delgado got 26.97% of his teams rebounds and Henry got 37.5% of his teams rebounds. A clear indication that Delgado is surrounded by much better rebounders than Henry is. From day one I have been counting Henry's rebounds in games. The biggest problem he has is he is not able to play through contact. You easily notice it on his drives, because he usually does not finish if he is met with contact on the drive. This is contact that the refs do not even call fouls on. If you have been following his rebounding you would of notice that 90% of the time when he has two hands on a rebound and receives body contact from another player he loses the rebound. He gets rebounds by his great size and hands. He does not get rebounds by banging or jumping. I think if he would comeback next year with some added muscle and learn to play through contact he could put up numbers close to 25 pts 14 rbs a game, but right now even though he gets a lot of rebounds he is not a great rebounder.

I think You are looking at Henry's board through a Don Kojis prism. Henry is not a Don Kojis style rebounder. I think he is a rebounding genius because he understands positioning very well. He has an incredible instinct for where the ball is going to go and positions himself to be there without competition. Dennis Rodman had a lot of theatrics, but at his core he was a student of the angles and would get a lot of the same type rebounds Henry gets.

The only thing I would say about Henrys boarding is that if he stayed closer to the basket on offense he would get a few more offensive rebounds. Which would also increase his scoring. He should really be a 20 12 kind of guy.