2016-17 Schedule

[dgies9156]

The regional argument has merit. As a high schooler, I loved it when we beat the crap out of the University of Tennessee. That is because I lived in Nashville, TN and went to school with smug Vol fans. I hated the Vols and thought no fruit sucks like a Big Orange.

One of the fallouts from conference realignment is the break-up of natural rivalries. At one time or another, Notre Dame, DePaul, Wisconsin, Loyola of Chicago and even Detroit (when Vitale coached them) were rivalries to us. We also periodically played Dayton, Memphis State, Loserville and Cincinnati. Cincy was the best proof of a rivalry being focused on a person, since it was easy to hate the University of Cincinnati when the Huggy Bear Coached there. 

Of these local rivalries, only DePaul and the rodent remain.

I shudder to think it publicly, but I wonder whether Wisconsin will continue to play us annually. At some point and especially if the series becomes as lopsided as it was in the 1970s, the red rodent will burrow a hole and go elsewhere. It's not inconceivable especially since we're in different conferences. Truth be told, we need the rodent on our schedule more than the rodent needs us.

The new rivalries will come. Some pop-off coach will say something. Or a team's representatives will be rude, boorish and somehow catch us on a bad day. Or the trash talk will get out of hand. Not sure where that will be yet, but someone will say something and, whamo, a rivalry is born.

[dgies9156]

MU/Iowa State would be fantastic in mid December.

I didn't know you could have an intra-squad scrimmage in public. Thought the NCAA didn't like it!

[GoldenWarrior11]

There are the B1G/ACC, Big12/SEC and the B1G/BigEast (Gavitt) challenge games. Why hasn't the PAC12 got in some kind of a challenge? Seems like a natural for the Big East and PAC12 both on FS1.
Just curious.

UCLA and Arizona, allegedly, want no part of it.  A BE/PAC-12 challenge without those two would be useless - hence why nothing has been agreed upon.  Fox really wanted it, and obviously the Big East wanted it.

[muwarrior69]

UCLA and Arizona, allegedly, want no part of it.  A BE/PAC-12 challenge without those two would be useless - hence why nothing has been agreed upon.  Fox really wanted it, and obviously the Big East wanted it.

Why? Are they afraid of Nova? Any links?

[Herman Cain]

The regional argument has merit. As a high schooler, I loved it when we beat the crap out of the University of Tennessee. That is because I lived in Nashville, TN and went to school with smug Vol fans. I hated the Vols and thought no fruit sucks like a Big Orange.

One of the fallouts from conference realignment is the break-up of natural rivalries. At one time or another, Notre Dame, DePaul, Wisconsin, Loyola of Chicago and even Detroit (when Vitale coached them) were rivalries to us. We also periodically played Dayton, Memphis State, Loserville and Cincinnati. Cincy was the best proof of a rivalry being focused on a person, since it was easy to hate the University of Cincinnati when the Huggy Bear Coached there. 

Of these local rivalries, only DePaul and the rodent remain.

I shudder to think it publicly, but I wonder whether Wisconsin will continue to play us annually. At some point and especially if the series becomes as lopsided as it was in the 1970s, the red rodent will burrow a hole and go elsewhere. It's not inconceivable especially since we're in different conferences. Truth be told, we need the rodent on our schedule more than the rodent needs us.

The new rivalries will come. Some pop-off coach will say something. Or a team's representatives will be rude, boorish and somehow catch us on a bad day. Or the trash talk will get out of hand. Not sure where that will be yet, but someone will say something and, whamo, a rivalry is born.

I agree with this analysis.

I enjoyed the rivalry with Detroit back in the Day.

"He was larger than life," said Dick Vitale, the loquacious ESPN analyst whose early years coaching at Detroit overlapped with McGuire's last few years at Marquette. "He was such a personality, so enthusiastic about what he was doing. That was the type of coach I wanted to be. The first time I met him I was in awe."

Vitale's Detroit Titans beat Marquette's eventual national champions during McGuire's final season, after McGuire had passed along a valuable lesson about motivation the year before.

"We were up on them pretty good at halftime at our place, and I was all excited in the locker room---'We can beat these guys! I told you they're overrated, no better than us,' " Vitale recalled. "That was a really good Marquette team, too, and they came out in the second half and they got us. Al told me later, 'Dickie, you gave us one we didn't deserve that night. We could hear you through the wall, so we just sat there and listened. I didn't say a word to my guys. I just told them, 'That's what they think of us.' You woke us up."

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

UCLA and Arizona, allegedly, want no part of it.  A BE/PAC-12 challenge without those two would be useless - hence why nothing has been agreed upon.  Fox really wanted it, and obviously the Big East wanted it.

Yah why? Don't want to lose home games to east coast private schools?

[Herman Cain]

Yah why? Don't want to lose home games to east coast private schools?

I think Arizona got all they wanted when they lost to Providence this season .

[GoldenWarrior11]

They're a few reasons they (Arizona and UCLA) are against it.  For one, they value their home games and choosing their opponents before PAC-12 conference games begin, and a majority of their remaining non-home games are in tournaments before conference play starts.  In the past three years alone, UCLA (Missouri and Alabama) and Arizona (Michigan) have had a combined three non-tournament away games that are not in or near the west coast.  They very much value having regional buy games with a preseason tournament before conference play begins.  Forcing them into a scheduling agreement limits their flexibility

Another unfortunate fact is that they really don't need the bump in strength of scheduling or exposure for their programs.  They can (and have) scheduled a Gonzaga, a UNLV, a San Diego State or even a Big 12 school, when they really want a tough opponent before conference play begins.  They don't need a scheduling arrangement with the Big East to accomplish this. Also, look at what happened with Arizona against Providence - it really only hurts them.  They don't need the win in scheduling, and it really hurts if they lose. 

Unfortunately, other PAC-12 schools, like Oregon, Utah, California, Arizona State and Stanford would really be/are in favor of the arrangement.  However, if the two blue chip programs are against the agreement, there's no point in the Big East to try and have a scheduling agreement with them.  This is why the rumored agreement never got done (and will not get done unless UCLA/Arizona change their tune).

Conversely, even though we are not apart of the Gavitt Games this year, we managed to negotiate that each B1G team appear in the agreement a minimum of four times until agreement runs out in 2022 (Big East teams appear a minimum of six times).  We would not have made an agreement with them if Indiana, Michigan State, Maryland and/or Wisconsin decided to not participate.

[brewcity77]

Per Jon Rothstein, Fresno State will play at the BC this year. Defending Mountain West tournament champions. Definitely a better buy than last year's MWC foe, San Jose State.

[Nukem2]

Per Jon Rothstein, Fresno State will play at the BC this year. Defending Mountain West tournament champions. Definitely a better buy than last year's MWC foe, San Jose State.

Yes, though it is interesting that Fresno State lost at San Jose State (6-22) this past season.  Jerry Wainwright is the associate head coach of Fresno State, btw.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Marquette is expected to begin announcing the team's full slate non-conference games on Tuesday via its social media accounts.

[GGGG]

Oh for the love of God just announce the whole damn thing at once this year. 

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Per Jon Rothstein, Fresno State will play at the BC this year. Defending Mountain West tournament champions. Definitely a better buy than last year's MWC foe, San Jose State.

Nice. RPI of 66 last year.

[We R Final Four]

Jerry Wainwright is assoc HC!

Can't wait to see how JW has aged.

[Jay Bee]

Cullen Russo from MN could have helped us last year. Hope he doesn't REBOUND all over our f'n head.

[brewcity77]

So I did some math today based on this Tweet from today:

#mubb 2nd @2KClassic home matchup will open 3-game homestand & run of 7-of-8 outings at @BMOHBC

We know the first five opponents...
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• Nov 11: Vanderbilt (N)
  
• Nov 14: EMU/IUPUI/Gardner-Webb/Howard (H)
  
• Nov 17: Michigan/Pitt/SMU (N)
  
• Nov 18: Michigan/Pitt/SMU (N)
  
• Nov 22: EMU/IUPUI/Gardner-Webb/Howard (H)

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But looking at what they've posted, there's a hiccup. And we pretty well know the following:
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• Nov 27: Likely Buy Game, guessing the Sunday of Thanksgiving weekend as it's more likely students will be back.
  
• Nov 29/30 or Dec 1: Third of three-game homestand mentioned above
  
• Dec 4: Georgia, only true road game, this is on sicemdawgs.com.
  
• Dec 6/7: Likely Buy Game tune-up before Wisconsin
  
• Dec 10: Wisconsin
  
• Dec 13/14: Likely Buy Game
  
• Dec 17: Likely Buy Game, possibly Fresno State (likely biggest buy game, try to get weekend crowd)
  
• Dec 20/21: ???, last game before Christmas and expected Dec 28 Big East opener

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7 of 8 at home automatically includes the the one away as the Georgia game. But it also leaves us one game short of the 13 allowed for the schedule. So either there is another game coming that will be a neutral site or road game, or Marquette is only playing 12 games (in which case seems like the Dec 13/14 date would be most likely to be eliminated). This would give the team a week for Christmas and before Big East play tips off.

If there's any intrigue left in this, outside of finding out whether we play East Western State or the Western University Dolphins, it's what that 13th game away from home would be.

[Herman Cain]

So I did some math today based on this Tweet from today:

We know the first five opponents...
.

• Nov 11: Vanderbilt (N)
  
• Nov 14: EMU/IUPUI/Gardner-Webb/Howard (H)
  
• Nov 17: Michigan/Pitt/SMU (N)
  
• Nov 18: Michigan/Pitt/SMU (N)
  
• Nov 22: EMU/IUPUI/Gardner-Webb/Howard (H)

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But looking at what they've posted, there's a hiccup. And we pretty well know the following:
.

• Nov 27: Likely Buy Game, guessing the Sunday of Thanksgiving weekend as it's more likely students will be back.
  
• Nov 29/30 or Dec 1: Third of three-game homestand mentioned above
  
• Dec 4: Georgia, only true road game, this is on sicemdawgs.com.
  
• Dec 6/7: Likely Buy Game tune-up before Wisconsin
  
• Dec 10: Wisconsin
  
• Dec 13/14: Likely Buy Game
  
• Dec 17: Likely Buy Game, possibly Fresno State (likely biggest buy game, try to get weekend crowd)
  
• Dec 20/21: ???, last game before Christmas and expected Dec 28 Big East opener

.
7 of 8 at home automatically includes the the one away as the Georgia game. But it also leaves us one game short of the 13 allowed for the schedule. So either there is another game coming that will be a neutral site or road game, or Marquette is only playing 12 games (in which case seems like the Dec 13/14 date would be most likely to be eliminated). This would give the team a week for Christmas and before Big East play tips off.

If there's any intrigue left in this, outside of finding out whether we play East Western State or the Western University Dolphins, it's what that 13th game away from home would be.

Would like to see us get UWM or UWGB on those buy dates even if we have to do a 2 for 1.

[brewcity77]

Would like to see us get UWM or UWGB on those buy dates even if we have to do a 2 for 1.

You keep saying this, and I keep telling you all the reasons that it will not happen.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Since it will be finals week, I can't see a game the week of Dec. 12th.

[Herman Cain]

You keep saying this, and I keep telling you all the reasons that it will not happen.

My discussions with the Athletic Department lead me to believe that they are open to doing those kind of transactions under the right circumstances. 

[fjm]

My discussions with the Athletic Department lead me to believe that they are open to doing those kind of transactions under the right circumstances.

Yeah. You're clearly talking to the wrong Athletics Department. UWM and UWGB want a home game.

This won't happen. Get kostas on the team and then they will make it work.

[Herman Cain]

Yeah. You're clearly talking to the wrong Athletics Department. UWM and UWGB want a home game.

This won't happen. Get kostas on the team and then they will make it work.

Our guys are willing to consider a 3 for 1.

[mu03eng]

Our guys are willing to consider a 3 for 1.

If they are they should be fired....especially for UWM. There are no reasons to play UWM at anything more than a straight buy game. Even than I would be very opposed to playing UWM. There is zero benefit, they are even worse now than they were when we got a 4 for 1 and they couldn't come close to selling out Panther Arena for the one "road" game.

I don't see any reason to play UWGB, especially now that Wardle's gone....but if they offered a 4 for 1 I wouldn't be pissed if we accepted it.

[Herman Cain]

If they are they should be fired....especially for UWM. There are no reasons to play UWM at anything more than a straight buy game. Even than I would be very opposed to playing UWM. There is zero benefit, they are even worse now than they were when we got a 4 for 1 and they couldn't come close to selling out Panther Arena for the one "road" game.

I don't see any reason to play UWGB, especially now that Wardle's gone....but if they offered a 4 for 1 I wouldn't be pissed if we accepted it.

There is RPI value in "road " wins.

[GGGG]

There is absolutely no indication that Marquette has any interest in a 3 for 1 with either UWM or UWGB.