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Herman Cain

Va Tech ended up regular season 18-13 and 10-8 in  ACC league play. They beat Miami in the final game today.

Ahmed Hill redshirted this year due to pre season injury. Buzz took the same position with him as he did with Duane. Will pay off for the Hokies in the long term.

I was unhappy with the way Buzz left us , but I always like to see our former coaches do well. Reflects well on MU.
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Dr. Blackheart

He came in and Buzz Cut the first week and got his guys in.  Way ahead on the turnaround curve.

4everwarriors

#3
''I always like to see our former coaches do well. Reflects well on MU."




Really? How so, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: tower912 on March 05, 2016, 06:51:50 PM
The man can coach.

Except when he can't....like his last year at MU, or multiple times this year....right?

I keep forgetting, when we lose it is because of the coach...when we win it isn't.  When Va Tech wins, it is because of the coach....



Herman Cain

#5
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 05, 2016, 08:49:55 PM
''I always like to see our former coaches do well. Reflects well on MU."




Really? How so, hey?

Positives have a way of transcending borders. Just like when our former players do well ,we are happy because it reflects well on us, same with our coaches and even former administrators. When Crean or Buzz do well and they are profiled in the media, it is frequently mentioned that they coached at Marquette. The more mentions of Marquette with success no matter what the venue the better. I can't stand Larry Williams but I sure wish him success in his new job at Akron. Basically we want MU to allways be associated with success no matter how far removed.

"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
    ——Rory McIlroy on Final Round at Pinehurst

Lennys Tap

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 05, 2016, 08:54:51 PM
Except when he can't....like his last year at MU, or multiple times this year....right?

I keep forgetting, when we lose it is because of the coach...when we win it isn't.  When Va Tech wins, it is because of the coach....

Buzz inherited a dumpster fire at Va Tech. In addition to having no players, the program has no history or tradition (other than as a bottom feeder). And in his second year in the meat grinder ACC he finished 10-8, ahead of programs like Syracuse and Pitt - in spite of losing his best player to injury. In a league with Coach K, Roy Williams, Rick Pitino, Tony Bennett, Jamie Dixon, Mike Brey and the dude from Miami whose name I can't spell - he should win his first Coach of the Year award in his second year.

But you're right, hater - he's not all that. LOL

Golden Avalanche

Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 05, 2016, 09:37:03 PM
Buzz inherited a dumpster fire at Va Tech. In addition to having no players, the program has no history or tradition (other than as a bottom feeder). And in his second year in the meat grinder ACC he finished 10-8, ahead of programs like Syracuse and Pitt - in spite of losing his best player to injury. In a league with Coach K, Roy Williams, Rick Pitino, Tony Bennett, Jamie Dixon, Mike Brey and the dude from Miami whose name I can't spell - he should win his first Coach of the Year award in his second year.

But you're right, hater - he's not all that. LOL

Buzz didn't lose his best player to injury. Seth Allen or Justin Bibbs or Zach LeDay were always going to be the most important piece. Ahmed Hill had a promising first season but it is unknown how he would do with increased competition at his spot with Bibbs improving and Allen becoming eligible. 

I said repeatedly in the summer of 2015 that Buzz had top third talent in his program. He missed it by one game. Their final position shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who pays attention.

Vander Blue Man Group

Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 05, 2016, 09:37:03 PM
Buzz inherited a dumpster fire at Va Tech. In addition to having no players, the program has no history or tradition (other than as a bottom feeder). And in his second year in the meat grinder ACC he finished 10-8, ahead of programs like Syracuse and Pitt - in spite of losing his best player to injury. In a league with Coach K, Roy Williams, Rick Pitino, Tony Bennett, Jamie Dixon, Mike Brey and the dude from Miami whose name I can't spell - he should win his first Coach of the Year award in his second year.

But you're right, hater - he's not all that. LOL

Are you forgetting the severe lack of talent he left in the cupboard here?

Lennys Tap

#9
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 05, 2016, 10:03:16 PM


I said repeatedly in the summer of 2015 that Buzz had top third talent in his program. He missed it by one game. Their final position shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who pays attention.

Well, the ACC coaches certainly weren't paying attention. They picked Virginia Tech to finish 14th, ahead of only epic bad Boston College. I'll check the writers, Pomeroy, Sagarin, etc. - my guess is you might have been the only person in America paying attention. Congratulations!

Just checked Pomeroy. He had Virginia Tech 14th in the ACC preseason - #137 nationally, 46 spots behind his 13th place ACC team. He now has them ranked #68, 69 spots higher than when the season started. Their improvement from the start of the year is 3x greater than the next best in the ACC. He makes a boatload of money to pay attention, but he's another one who was asleep at the wheel.


Lennys Tap

#10
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 05, 2016, 10:19:07 PM
Are you forgetting the severe lack of talent he left in the cupboard here?

Sometimes it's immediately, sometimes it's a year down the road but because of the nature of the beast (transfers, recruits not honoring LOIs, etc.) the cupboard always gets bare quickly when there's a coaching change. So, no, I'm not forgetting.

Are you forgetting back to back to back S16, S16, E8 in years 3, 4 and 5 with ZERO players from the TC era. Wojo will have Duane Wilson, Luke Fischer and JJJ in year 3 and Wilson in year 4.

GooooMarquette

His last season here sucked, but the guy can coach.

GGGG

His last season sucked because of Buzz the recruiter. 

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: Golden Avalanche on March 05, 2016, 10:03:16 PM
Buzz didn't lose his best player to injury. Seth Allen or Justin Bibbs or Zach LeDay were always going to be the most important piece.

Exactly

keefe

Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 05, 2016, 10:44:28 PM
His last season here sucked, but the guy can coach.

...even if he can't flush...


Death on call

Golden Avalanche

Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 05, 2016, 10:20:53 PM
Well, the ACC coaches certainly weren't paying attention. They picked Virginia Tech to finish 14th, ahead of only epic bad Boston College. I'll check the writers, Pomeroy, Sagarin, etc. - my guess is you might have been the only person in America paying attention. Congratulations!

Just checked Pomeroy. He had Virginia Tech 14th in the ACC preseason - #137 nationally, 46 spots behind his 13th place ACC team. He now has them ranked #68, 69 spots higher than when the season started. Their improvement from the start of the year is 3x greater than the next best in the ACC. He makes a boatload of money to pay attention, but he's another one who was asleep at the wheel.

I already knew I might be the only one paying attention to the VT program but it's always nice to get recognition of that. Thank you for the compliment.

ChicosBailBonds

Preseason polls.....the absolute definition of no one pays attention or gives a rip.   Pomeroy starts with a discrepancy \ bias until enough games are played to matter.  I'd expect someone like Lenny to know this.

🏀

Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on March 05, 2016, 10:55:42 PM
His last season sucked because of Buzz the recruiter. 

I think it was more linked to Buzz giving up on Marquette thanks to our Cracker Jack president and the sweat stained cap he brought in to irritate Buzz.

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: PTM on March 06, 2016, 10:07:42 AM
I think it was more linked to Buzz giving up on Marquette thanks to our Cracker Jack president and the sweat stained cap he brought in to irritate Buzz.

So you're saying the coach who demands players never give up under any circumstances, gave up himself....character revealed.

The Lens

He went 9-9 in his last Big East Season.

We were 9-7 entering Game #17 and we lost Game #17 & #18 both in 2OT.  We also lost two earlier conf game ins OT.

Then we lost in our 1st game of the BET by 3.

Buzz never had a losing record in conference.
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

Lennys Tap

Quote from: The Lens on March 06, 2016, 01:08:18 PM
He went 9-9 in his last Big East Season.

We were 9-7 entering Game #17 and we lost Game #17 & #18 both in 2OT.  We also lost two earlier conf game ins OT.

Then we lost in our 1st game of the BET by 3.

Buzz never had a losing record in conference.

There you go getting all "facty".  Facts don't interest Chico. He prefers made up stories from his made up sources. They fit in better with his agenda.

HouWarrior

Thanks for the posting. I had not really been following VTech.
Congrats to Buzz
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: The Lens on March 06, 2016, 01:08:18 PM
He went 9-9 in his last Big East Season.

We were 9-7 entering Game #17 and we lost Game #17 & #18 both in 2OT.  We also lost two earlier conf game ins OT.

Then we lost in our 1st game of the BET by 3.

Buzz never had a losing record in conference.

We were 2-6 against the 4 teams that made the NCAA tournament in the conference.   Led by two seniors (one picked as preseason first team all Big East.....we underperformed considerably. 

The Lens

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 06, 2016, 07:22:28 PM
We were 2-6 against the 4 teams that made the NCAA tournament in the conference.   Led by two seniors (one picked as preseason first team all Big East.....we underperformed considerably.

Absolutely we underperformed.  No one would argue that, it was a rough year.  But the last two years have taught us that it can get a lot worse.  Hopefully we're on the way back up.

Beat St. John's.
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

77ncaachamps

He can coach and motivate.

But the last five games (except Miami; game AT Blacksburg, which can be tough) featured three of the ACC's dregs.

They've beaten one ranked team (UVA) and it was at home in a 2-point win.

Yet they've won almost all the conf games they should have.
SS Marquette

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