Making a murder

[Jay Bee]

Zellner is creepy. Smart, $ & power hungry gal

Avery is a dirty murderer

[wadesworld]

Zellner is creepy. Smart, $ & power hungry gal

Avery is a dirty murderer

I pretty much agree with all of this.

[Pakuni]

Zellner is creepy. Smart, $ & power hungry gal

Avery is a dirty murderer

Men are ambitious.
Women are power hungry.

[Sir Lawrence]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2016/09/06/new-book-counters-making-murderer/89765210/

Griesbach, as mentioned way earlier in this thread, is the brother of Federal Judge William Griesbach and son of a deceased professor and member of Marquette's athletic board.  Good guy, smart and respected prosecutor.

[rocket surgeon]

Hey!  Stevo is a playa again-broke off his engagement to Sandra greenman just days after it was announced.  Maybe she had bad breath or something, Eyn'a?


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/02/making-murderer-subject-breaks-off-brief-engagement.html

[Eldon]

Making a Murderer: Judge Orders New Testing of Steven Avery Evidence
Steven Avery, the subject of the Netflix series Making a Murderer, has something to give thanks for this Thanksgiving after a judge on Wednesday ordered new testing of evidence for his case.

Avery's lawyer, Kathleen Zellner, said an agreement to start independent scientific testing on critical pieces of evidence was signed, according to CBS News.

...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/making-murderer-judge-orders-testing-054540303.html


In related news, Brendan Dassey (the nephew) was ordered to be released.

[warriorchick]

Making a Murderer: Judge Orders New Testing of Steven Avery Evidence
Steven Avery, the subject of the Netflix series Making a Murderer, has something to give thanks for this Thanksgiving after a judge on Wednesday ordered new testing of evidence for his case.

Avery's lawyer, Kathleen Zellner, said an agreement to start independent scientific testing on critical pieces of evidence was signed, according to CBS News.

...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/making-murderer-judge-orders-testing-054540303.html


In related news, Brendan Dassey (the nephew) was ordered to be released.

That is old news.  Besides, it was blocked on appeal.  Even if the court rules in his favor, he might not be out for at least a year.

[keefe]

They should let that kid go. What the system did to that guy is unconscionable.

That f#cking idiot lawyer of his should be thrown in the slammer and have his bung reamed out. The fact that moron is still out there practicing law, in fact serving in some sort of magisterial role, is a disgrace.

[Benny B]

Rumor on the street is that Zellner already knows who framed Avery and testing won't just exonerate Avery but is also going to put that person in jail for a long time.  She isn't just going for the enchilada... she's aiming to serve up a whole platter of chimichangas.  Which must be why (also rumored) Zellner is legitimately in fear that she might become a target herself, which is why she has more than Moira and Laura following and documenting her every move the second she crosses the border.

If I were a resident of Manitowoc County, I'd be moving the hell out of there pronto. Shiite gonna get turned upside down and the entire place is about to become a five-ring circus of media, court hearings, lawsuits, public uproar, international scrutiny, etc. for the next decade+ if it turns out any LE official had something to do with this.

Far fetched, but within the realm of possibility... because of the phenomenon this has already become internationally, imagine a guy like Putin or Assad actually showcasing this as an example of USA's corruption in an attempt to discredit their critics or distract from their next fiasco.  Right or wrong, the international community would eat that up... "who cares that these guys just gassed a few thousand of their own citizens, the holier-than-thou USA put that innocent man we saw on the tele in jail twice."  Whoever Trump appoints as SecState might consider getting their ass to Manitowoc for a preemptive visit.

Couldn't happen to a nicer community, IMO.  "Bass ackwards" as the locals say.  Who I do feel sorry for is Schimel... he had nothing to do with any of this and his career is going to become collateral damage just because he happens to be the soup du jour.

[wadesworld]

Rumor on the street is that Zellner already knows who framed Avery and testing won't just exonerate Avery but is also going to put that person in jail for a long time.  She isn't just going for the enchilada... she's aiming to serve up a whole platter of chimichangas.  Which must be why (also rumored) Zellner is legitimately in fear that she might become a target herself, which is why she has more than Moira and Laura following and documenting her every move the second she crosses the border.

If I were a resident of Manitowoc County, I'd be moving the hell out of there pronto. Shiite gonna get turned upside down and the entire place is about to become a five-ring circus of media, court hearings, lawsuits, public uproar, international scrutiny, etc. for the next decade+ if it turns out any LE official had something to do with this.

Far fetched, but within the realm of possibility... because of the phenomenon this has already become internationally, imagine a guy like Putin or Assad actually showcasing this as an example of USA's corruption in an attempt to discredit their critics or distract from their next fiasco.  Right or wrong, the international community would eat that up... "who cares that these guys just gassed a few thousand of their own citizens, the holier-than-thou USA put that innocent man we saw on the tele in jail twice."  Whoever Trump appoints as SecState might consider getting their ass to Manitowoc for a preemptive visit.

Couldn't happen to a nicer community, IMO.  "Bass ackwards" as the locals say.  Who I do feel sorry for is Schimel... he had nothing to do with any of this and his career is going to become collateral damage just because he happens to be the soup du jour.

I'm a skeptic. But we will see.

[warriorchick]

Couldn't happen to a nicer community, IMO.  "Bass ackwards" as the locals say.

I know quite a number of folks from Manitowoc (almost all Marquette grads), and they are some of the finest people I know.  Please don't paint with such a broad brush.

[Benny B]

I know quite a number of folks from Manitowoc (almost all Marquette grads), and they are some of the finest people I know.  Please don't paint with such a broad brush.

Of course they are.. because when you run the riff-raff out of town and/or throw them in jail for no reason, all that's left are the finest people.

That said... I agree there are many truly good people in Manitowoc Co.  And while the broad brush was very much tongue in cheek, my recommendation to move is much more genuine (although rhetorical)... because the good people of the County are the ones who will bear the greatest burden in all of this.

[Jay Bee]

Avery is a dirty murderer. The idea of him being free is awful.

[wadesworld]

Avery is a dirty murderer. The idea of him being free is awful.

Wonder if these independent testers will be in on the "frame job" as well.

[keefe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d36HobZnwWM

http://"https://www.youtube.com/embed/d36HobZnwWM"

[wadesworld]

Does anybody with a better understanding of the legal system and/or DNA testing have any idea how long the process may take to get all this new evidence tested?  I assume that they have started the testing.  Any idea on when some results may be coming and/or when a decision on the filed appeal may be reached?

I assume that they have the cameras rolling on all of this for a second season.

[🏀]

Does anybody with a better understanding of the legal system and/or DNA testing have any idea how long the process may take to get all this new evidence tested?  I assume that they have started the testing.  Any idea on when some results may be coming and/or when a decision on the filed appeal may be reached?

I assume that they have the cameras rolling on all of this for a second season.

It's not so much the testing, but Zellner needs a new narrative to push.

She effected a case very close to me, and set a somewhat guilty man free.

[Coleman]

It's not so much the testing, but Zellner needs a new narrative to push.

She effected a case very close to me, and set a somewhat guilty man free.

In our legal system, you're either guilty, or you aren't. If the prosecution doesn't meet the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, you should be set free.

[onetime]

Couldn't happen to a nicer community, IMO.  "Bass ackwards" as the locals say. 

The handful of us  forward moving, law-abiding professionals from Manitowoc can hardly wait for what we are so deserving of living in our "nice community". Dickhead.

[Skatastrophy]

The handful of us  forward moving, law-abiding professionals from Manitowoc can hardly wait for what we are so deserving of living in our "nice community". Dickhead.

This doesn't make any sense.

[🏀]

In our legal system, you're either guilty, or you aren't. If the prosecution doesn't meet the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, you should be set free.

Somewhat was a bad choice. He was guilty, he was convicted under the wrong charges as the SA went for a home run.

Zellner got 20/20, which briefly featured Mrs. PTM, to buy and push a false narrative. It's sad, but she won.

[🏀]

This doesn't make any sense.

It's hilarious, he's got his wording "Bass ackwards"

[Coleman]

Somewhat was a bad choice. He was guilty, he was convicted under the wrong charges as the SA went for a home run.

Zellner got 20/20, which briefly featured Mrs. PTM, to buy and push a false narrative. It's sad, but she won.

That makes a bit more sense than how your first post sounded. Sorry for whatever happened to you.

[Babybluejeans]

She effected a case very close to me, and set a somewhat guilty man free.

That you refer to someone as "somewhat" guilty is precisely why that person shouldn't be in prison.

[🏀]

That makes a bit more sense than how your first post sounded. Sorry for whatever happened to you.

Nah, it's cool, I needed a better explanation.