Making a murder

[Coleman]

I re-watched the Dassey trial episode (#9) last night....and the thing that astounds me the most is that they came to a guilty verdict in less than one day with a complete lack of DNA evidence.

Was DNA evidence not completely understood by the public in 2007? I don't understand how they could just completely disregard this and rely soley on a coerced confession by a learning disabled kid.

Like I said, I'm 50/50 on Avery's guilt (which means I would have voted not guilty...that whole burden of proof and reasonable doubt thing), but what happened to Dassey is a complete travesty.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I forgot where I heard it, but our part of CT (where Fairfield and New Haven counties meet) is supposed to be one of only a very few places in the US without a discernable accent.

When I was student, I often heard from others that they were surprised I had no accent coming from Connecticut. Everyone assumed New Englanders all spoke with a Boston accent.

Only word anyone saw a discernable accent on was length.

I had this theory that the New York & Boston accents cancelled each other out in Connecticut.

[keefe]

Only word anyone saw a discernable accent on was length.

Because you usually lower your head in shame as you stammer out that word??

[reinko]

I had always assumed that everyone in Connecticut sounded like the guy in the Pepperidge Fahm commercials.

The only thing you hear in CT,  is everyone from who has to drive through it,  cursing @ traffic on the 95 or on the Merritt.

[GGGG]

I re-watched the Dassey trial episode (#9) last night....and the thing that astounds me the most is that they came to a guilty verdict in less than one day with a complete lack of DNA evidence.

Was DNA evidence not completely understood by the public in 2007? I don't understand how they could just completely disregard this and rely soley on a coerced confession by a learning disabled kid.

Like I said, I'm 50/50 on Avery's guilt (which means I would have voted not guilty...that whole burden of proof and reasonable doubt thing), but what happened to Dassey is a complete travesty.

Dassey was convicted almost completely on his admission.  His legal representation was trash and it is a true travesty that the Wisconsin courts haven't acknowledged that.

[keefe]

Dassey was convicted almost completely on his admission.  His legal representation was trash and it is a true travesty that the Wisconsin courts haven't acknowledged that.

That Kachinsky and that investigator still have licenses to do what they do is disturbing.

Looks like WI didn't like those film makers poking their noses into Ain'a Hey business...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/making-a-murderer-filmmakers-wisconsin-tried-to-shut-down-production/ar-BBowAJl?ocid=ansmsnent11

[wadesworld]

It mentions that "season one of Making a Murderer" is available on Netflix.  Do they actually have a second season planned?  Is there that much more to the story?

Maybe we'll actually get the 2nd side of the story.

[Benny B]

It mentions that "season one of Making a Murderer" is available on Netflix.  Do they actually have a second season planned?  Is there that much more to the story?

Maybe we'll actually get the 2nd side of the story.

Cameras are still rolling.  They have been for the past ten years, and they'll probably continue rolling for another ten.

[Jay Bee]

So long as the nutties cry for Avery's exoneration, there's money to be made.

The truth is Avery is a sick, murdering pig. Keep him locked up.

[Coleman]

So long as the nutties cry for Avery's exoneration, there's money to be made.

The truth is Avery is a sick, murdering pig. Keep him locked up.

As someone who feels so strongly about avery's guilt, what is your opinion on dassey?

I'm just curious because I am not by any means certain of avery's innocence, but I don't think there is any way dassey was involved.

My biggest issue with the whole case was dassey's treatment. Avery is a tougher call for me.

[brandx]

The show reminds me of a Wojo timeout.

People complain that he is just spouting cliches because that is all they see. What he says strategy-wise isn't shown.

Here we have a show that does the same thing and now people are all riled up.

I realize it wouldn't be riveting TV to show all of the trial, but opinions on guilt or innocence are useless without it.

[wadesworld]

The show reminds me of a Wojo timeout.

People complain that he is just spouting cliches because that is all they see. What he says strategy-wise isn't shown.

Here we have a show that does the same thing and now people are all riled up.

I realize it wouldn't be riveting TV to show all of the trial, but opinions on guilt or innocence are useless without it.

Yup.

[NavinRJohnson]

The show reminds me of a Wojo timeout.

People complain that he is just spouting cliches because that is all they see. What he says strategy-wise isn't shown.

Here we have a show that does the same thing and now people are all riled up.

I realize it wouldn't be riveting TV to show all of the trial, but opinions on guilt or innocence are useless without it.

Well put. The interesting thing to me is, while pretty clearly intentional on the filmmakers part, the tinfoil hats are running around saying he should get a new trial or be freed, when in reality, the more likely outcome for these two scumbags at this point is probably the death penalty. Not predicting that is necessarily going to happen, but rapists are extremely "popular" in prison, and the profile of these two has obviously significantly increased as a result of this show. safe to say so have the odds of some inmate making a name for himself. (I don't really know about the prisons they're in, so I would guess odds of that happening are relatively low, but still likley much higher than they were a month ago.)

[Coleman]

Well put. The interesting thing to me is, while pretty clearly intentional on the filmmakers part, the tinfoil hats are running around saying he should get a new trial or be freed, when in reality, the more likely outcome for these two scumbags at this point is probably the death penalty. Not predicting that is necessarily going to happen, but rapists are extremely "popular" in prison, and the profile of these two has obviously significantly increased as a result of this show. safe to say so have the odds of some inmate making a name for himself. (I don't really know about the prisons they're in, so I would guess odds of that happening are relatively low, but still likley much higher than they were a month ago.)

Dassey is in Green Bay and Avery is in Waupun, both Wisconsin state prisons.

[🏀]

Well put. The interesting thing to me is, while pretty clearly intentional on the filmmakers part, the tinfoil hats are running around saying he should get a new trial or be freed, when in reality, the more likely outcome for these two scumbags at this point is probably the death penalty. Not predicting that is necessarily going to happen, but rapists are extremely "popular" in prison, and the profile of these two has obviously significantly increased as a result of this show. safe to say so have the odds of some inmate making a name for himself. (I don't really know about the prisons they're in, so I would guess odds of that happening are relatively low, but still likley much higher than they were a month ago.)

This is sad.

[GGGG]

Well put. The interesting thing to me is, while pretty clearly intentional on the filmmakers part, the tinfoil hats are running around saying he should get a new trial or be freed, when in reality, the more likely outcome for these two scumbags at this point is probably the death penalty. Not predicting that is necessarily going to happen, but rapists are extremely "popular" in prison, and the profile of these two has obviously significantly increased as a result of this show. safe to say so have the odds of some inmate making a name for himself. (I don't really know about the prisons they're in, so I would guess odds of that happening are relatively low, but still likley much higher than they were a month ago.)

I think Steven Avery is guilty and shouldn't get a new trial.

I think Dassey may be guilty of something, but should be given a new trial because he was poorly represented by his attorney.  I think he was found guilty largely due to a coerced confession which IMO is extremely unjust.

[NavinRJohnson]

This is sad.

While I don't believe they deserve to be killed, rapists being targets in prison does not make me sad...at all.

Raping and killing a young girl, now that's sad.

[GGGG]

While I don't believe they deserve to be killed, rapists being targets in prison does not make me sad...at all.

Raping and killing a young girl, now that's sad.

Did you watch the documentary at all?

And I find your acceptance of prison violence and retribution to be pathetic.

[🏀]

Did you watch the documentary at all?

And I find your acceptance of prison violence and retribution to be pathetic.

If you haven't read the thread, Navin is basically Ken Kratz. Which I wouldn't rule out actually being true.

[warriorchick]

If you haven't read the thread, Navin is basically Ken Kratz. Which I wouldn't rule out actually being true.

Quite possible.  Kratz is an MU Law School grad, so he could have already been a Scooper.

[NavinRJohnson]

If you haven't read the thread, Navin is basically Ken Kratz. Which I wouldn't rule out actually being true.

Whatever helps you cling to your conspiracy theory, it's cool. You want them to get a new trial and/or be freed. We get it. Fortunately, the folks in charge of these things are/will base their decisions on more than some trumped up, one-sided documentary. I was simply pointing out the irony that this show, designed to paint these murduring rapists as innocent victims, will absolutely not get them released, but in fact, has probably increased the likelihood of them being harmed or killed in prison.

[Sir Lawrence]

Dassey is in Green Bay and Avery is in Waupun, both Wisconsin state prisons.

Dassey was just moved from Green Bay to the Columbia Correctional Institution.

This is a helpful website if you are trying to determine the status of a convict in the Wisconsin correctional system:

http://offender.doc.state.wi.us/lop/home.do

[Strokin 3s]

Curious to hear those in the absolutely guilty camp's explanation as to how that call occurred, when I believe it was Colburn called in the license plate of Halbach's car 2 days before it was supposedly found?

I tend to agree that other things that could possibly seem planted could also just as easily in reality be from Avery himself.

The phone call though to dispatch calling in a license that "hadn't been found yet and wouldn't be found for another 2 days" is extremely strange.

[wadesworld]

Curious to hear those in the absolutely guilty camp's explanation as to how that call occurred, when I believe it was Colburn called in the license plate of Halbach's car 2 days before it was supposedly found?

I tend to agree that other things that could possibly seem planted could also just as easily in reality be from Avery himself.

The phone call though to dispatch calling in a license that "hadn't been found yet and wouldn't be found for another 2 days" is extremely strange.

Halbach's brother and ex boyfriend probably illegally trespassed onto Avery's property and found the car there, called the police, and Colburn probably went against protocol to go out to see for himself after receiving the call.  Hence why he had to call in the car rather than radio it in (as he would've if he was just sitting in his police car looking at the car on the side of some road).  This would explain why the ex boyfriend and the brother acted so weird at times in the documentary and why they would just coincidentally give out a single camera one time in the entire 3 day search, and it happened to be to the one person who found Halbach's car, which happened within 30 minutes of beginning to search the property.  Just got lucky, or "God led her there."  Or they knew exactly where the car was and who would find it, they just had to make it look coincidental because protocol had not been followed.

[NavinRJohnson]

Curious to hear those in the absolutely guilty camp's explanation as to how that call occurred, when I believe it was Colburn called in the license plate of Halbach's car 2 days before it was supposedly found?

I tend to agree that other things that could possibly seem planted could also just as easily in reality be from Avery himself.

The phone call though to dispatch calling in a license that "hadn't been found yet and wouldn't be found for another 2 days" is extremely strange.

An officer calling in to confirm Information on a vehicle for which they have been told to be on the lookout...That's  really that odd to you? Did you hear the entire call?