2015-16 NFC North/NFL thread

[ChicosBailBonds]

Because of society's interpretation of sex, nudity, etc. As well as society's views on genders. It's probably inappropriate for a woman to be in a men's locker room. It's DEFINITELY inappropriate for a man to be in a women's locker room. I'm almost sure that would be the result of polls.

We aren't equal. You know that. I know that. Sure, most people don't want to admit it, but *most* people know it's true.

So then would you support removing women from the men's locker room, especially when the players don't want them in the first place?

What do you think the response would be from feminists?  Liberals?  The media?  Just curious?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos, are you sure that men aren't allowed in female locker rooms?  Because with a simple internet search, I have seen that this isn't the case.  Male reporters are allowed in WNBA locker rooms for instance.  The NCAA has the same access policy for men and women in the basketball tournament.

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/2013/04/putting-to-rest-the-myth-that-womens-teams-dont-let-male-reporters-into-the-locker-room/

So again, it is probably best that you play your white, male victimization card elsewhere.

The WNBA has a staging area where they take questions for 20 minutes before they shower, need privacy, etc.

Not the case for male sports.  Women, men, etc sit at the locker while players come in from the shower, drop the towels, get dressed while answering the questions.  The players, largely, hate it. 

[GGGG]

That's not what the link I posted says. 

"The WNBA . . . has the same rules as the NBA. Open locker rooms at designated times. In the NCAA tournament, the same rules govern both men and women's locker rooms — they're both open at specific times. During the regular season, NCAA institutions can make their own rules about locker room availability, but during the tournament the NCAA has a uniform policy. When Stanford played UConn in last April's championship, if you wanted to see how devastated Jayne Appel was after her terrible shooting night, you needed to be in the locker room. I was there. So were my male colleagues."

[jesmu84]

So then would you support removing women from the men's locker room, especially when the players don't want them in the first place?

What do you think the response would be from feminists?  Liberals?  The media?  Just curious?

I believe if the athletes want privacy, give it to them. Do they have a say in the matter? I don't know. Perhaps individual teams control access, perhaps leagues do. I don't know.

I don't know what responses would be. Do you care what their responses would be? I also asked you about media members because you've been around them, surely, more than I have.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I believe if the athletes want privacy, give it to them. Do they have a say in the matter? I don't know. Perhaps individual teams control access, perhaps leagues do. I don't know.

I don't know what responses would be. Do you care what their responses would be? I also asked you about media members because you've been around them, surely, more than I have.

They currently do not.  The media claims they need this access for tight turnarounds for filing stories, of course those were days of the newspaper which are dying rapidly.  The leagues mandate it right now and it is part of the collective bargaining agreement, I believe (I will need to check).

I think if you took a wild guess, or even a restrained one, we could come to an agreement what their responses would be.  We also know that if male reporters asked for EQUAL access to female sports in the same manner, their answer would be 180 degrees opposite.

[jesmu84]

They currently do not.  The media claims they need this access for tight turnarounds for filing stories, of course those were days of the newspaper which are dying rapidly.  The leagues mandate it right now and it is part of the collective bargaining agreement, I believe (I will need to check).

I think if you took a wild guess, or even a restrained one, we could come to an agreement what their responses would be.  We also know that if male reporters asked for EQUAL access to female sports in the same manner, their answer would be 180 degrees opposite.

On your second paragraph, you're right, ultimately. But I truly believe everyone on this board would come to the exact same conclusions. So why is this a topic to argue about?

[GGGG]

On your second paragraph, you're right, ultimately. But I truly believe everyone on this board would come to the exact same conclusions. So why is this a topic to argue about?

Exactly.  He is asserting a point that doesn't seem to be accurate. 

Furthermore, I can't figure out why it would be a double standard if WNBA games were covered different than NBA games.  As long as reporters of both sexes have the same access to each, where is the discrimination? 

[MU B2002]

Can we spin the Chicos locker room discussion into its own thread?


Brandx, that article makes me sad as a Bears fan.  Could have sworn Gould was on his 2nd deal.

[naginiF]

Can we spin the Chicos locker room discussion into its own thread?


Brandx, that article makes me sad as a Bears fan.  Could have sworn Gould was on his 2nd deal.

DONE!  It's established and even has a few "locker room" apostles.  It's called the Politics board - a vast array of topics but the same locker room point of view.

[brandx]

Brandx, that article makes me sad as a Bears fan.  Could have sworn Gould was on his 2nd deal.

Same here - I even looked it up before I posted the link to the article.

He was undrafted and then cut from Patriots and Ravens before being signed in-season by the Bears. He has actually signed a couple extensions, I think, but the article was about drafted players.

[ChicosBailBonds]

That's not what the link I posted says. 

"The WNBA . . . has the same rules as the NBA. Open locker rooms at designated times. In the NCAA tournament, the same rules govern both men and women's locker rooms — they're both open at specific times. During the regular season, NCAA institutions can make their own rules about locker room availability, but during the tournament the NCAA has a uniform policy. When Stanford played UConn in last April's championship, if you wanted to see how devastated Jayne Appel was after her terrible shooting night, you needed to be in the locker room. I was there. So were my male colleagues."

Top sentence.... "during designated times"....which is what I said.  They have a staging area (a set aside time and area prior to shower time).

Those designated times, people aren't walking around naked in towels like they are in the MLB, NFL, etc.  TH

This should be the practice that everyone does, but that's not what all the leagues do. 

That's also not true about the NBA.  They can say it is the same policy, it absolutely is not enforced that way.  Jason Whitlock had an article about this last year which I will find and post.

[GGGG]

Top sentence.... "during designated times"....which is what I said.  They have a staging area (a set aside time and area prior to shower time).

Those designated times, people aren't walking around naked in towels like they are in the MLB, NFL, etc.  TH

This should be the practice that everyone does, but that's not what all the leagues do. 

That's also not true about the NBA.  They can say it is the same policy, it absolutely is not enforced that way.  Jason Whitlock had an article about this last year which I will find and post.

So even if I believe your description of what actually occurs, male and female reporters get equal access to the locker rooms in order that they do their job.

So how is this bias or a double standard?

[Jay Bee]

Skol Vikings. Big game today. Hope our guys are nekkid & happy for postgame interviews.

[GGGG]

Skol Vikings. Big game today. Hope our guys are nekkid & happy for postgame interviews.

Got the DVR set ai'na?

[🏀]

Got the DVR set ai'na?

Nah, Deadspin provides the goods

[GooooMarquette]

Adrian Peterson got sick...because he accidentally swallowed his chewing tobacco?

Sounds like a bright guy.

[JWags85]

Adrian Peterson got sick...because he accidentally swallowed his chewing tobacco?

Sounds like a bright guy.

You can say what you want about his intelligence due to the child abuse stuff, but come on.  Its like swallowing your gum.  The plane dropped 8-900 feet I heard.  Its hilarious, but it doesn't exactly make him an idiot.  Not like he's questionable with a laceration cause he was juggling knives.

[Jay Bee]

4-2. Teddy growing up. Skol Vikings!

[brandx]

4-2. Teddy growing up. Skol Vikings!

Everyone grows up agains the Lions

[tower912]

I said weeks ago that the offensive line is terrible, the play calling and scheme are a joke and that they have combined to turn Matthew Stafford into Joey Harrington.   

[jsglow]

I mean I know Suh is gone but the Lions look absolutely terrible.

[tower912]

I mean I know Suh is gone but the Lions look absolutely terrible.

They look as they have for the last half century.   Bring back Wayne Fontes!

[GooooMarquette]

You can say what you want about his intelligence due to the child abuse stuff, but come on.  Its like swallowing your gum.  The plane dropped 8-900 feet I heard.  Its hilarious, but it doesn't exactly make him an idiot.  Not like he's questionable with a laceration cause he was juggling knives.

He chews tobacco, not gum.  Like I said, sounds like a bright guy.

[4everwarriors]

Adrian Peterson got sick...because he accidentally swallowed his chewing tobacco?

Sounds like a bright guy.

Yikes, Peterson just got Schwanke-Kastened, ai na?

[naginiF]

He chews tobacco, not gum.  Like I said, sounds like a bright guy.

He's making his living as a professional football player not a lawyer, manager, accountant, agent, doctor, small business owner, broker, etc., etc. 

It seems to me like he is probably smarter than the average American (no great bragging rights there) but not nearly as intelligent as the non professional sports star in the top 5% income.

How bright do you expect your running back to be?