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ChitownSpaceForRent

How bout them white Sox, huh?

buckchuckler

Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on July 29, 2015, 10:12:57 PM
How bout them white Sox, huh?

They are in an interesting spot.  That is for sure.  2.5 back, with Sale going tonight.  Definitely looks like Shark is staying put.  Not sure they will or should add, maybe if they can get a more long term solution somewhere, but I'd guess they'll just stand pat and see what happens. 

Toronto certainly seems to be going big.  They have emptied their farm for Tulo and Price.  Pineda goes to the DL, maybe they can even run down the Yanks.  Who knows.  Their pitching is still suspect after Price and Buehrle. 

buckchuckler

MLBTR now reporting the Sox are aggressively pursuing a bat. 

JuniorCardigan

Quote from: buckchuckler on July 30, 2015, 02:48:22 PM
They are in an interesting spot.  That is for sure.  2.5 back, with Sale going tonight.  Definitely looks like Shark is staying put.  Not sure they will or should add, maybe if they can get a more long term solution somewhere, but I'd guess they'll just stand pat and see what happens. 

Toronto certainly seems to be going big.  They have emptied their farm for Tulo and Price.  Pineda goes to the DL, maybe they can even run down the Yanks.  Who knows.  Their pitching is still suspect after Price and Buehrle.

I've heard the Sox are looking into getting Cespedes. Could be an interesting acquisition - I don't know who they'd trade for him. Wouldn't be surprised if Laroche is involved...I think keeping Shark is the right move now though. Could send the wrong message dumping him especially when they're finally starting to play well.

tower912

Hard to believe that he would be traded within the division.    But, if the CWS want to throw a few top prospects at Dombrowski, I am sure he will listen.   Pitching in particular. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

brandx

False optimism. They are coming off their best streak of the year. It is absolutely not sustainable - especially the hitting.

tower912

Quote from: brandx on July 30, 2015, 04:11:21 PM
False optimism. They are coming off their best streak of the year. It is absolutely not sustrightble - especially the hitting.

"sustrightble"?
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

ChitownSpaceForRent

Quote from: brandx on July 30, 2015, 04:11:21 PM
False optimism. They are coming off their best streak of the year. It is absolutely not sustrightble - especially the hitting.

Sustainable, no. But with that being said, they can't hit worse then they did in the beginning of the year. Alexi is a notoriously slow starter, Eaton is returning to his form from last year. Melky, is probably back on the roids if were being honest. Don't know what has happened to Avi but The two rookies Saldano and Sanchez are better than Gillespie and Beckham.

They don't need to score 9 runs a game. When your top 3 pitchers are Sale, Shark and Quintana (ill even throw in Rodon) with Robertson and Duke anchoring the pen 4 runs a game is enough most nights.

buckchuckler

Quote from: tower912 on July 30, 2015, 04:10:09 PM
Hard to believe that he would be traded within the division.    But, if the CWS want to throw a few top prospects at Dombrowski, I am sure he will listen.   Pitching in particular.

Why?  He is a rental.  The Tigers and Sox have also made trades in very recent memory (Avi and Iglesias as part of the Peavy deal).  But again, he is a rental, so it isn't like he would come back to haunt the Tigers. 

buckchuckler

Quote from: brandx on July 30, 2015, 04:11:21 PM
False optimism. They are coming off their best streak of the year. It is absolutely not sustrightble - especially the hitting.

They are 21-11 since June 20.   So there is more to this than the recent 8 games.  Though, that is clearly where their hitting has come alive.  But their pitching (starting and pen) is the real deal. 

tower912

Soria leaving the Tigers for Pittsburgh.     Cespedes, Davis, Alfredo Simon, maybe Avila still to go.       
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

JuniorCardigan

Quote from: buckchuckler on July 30, 2015, 05:22:59 PM
They are 21-11 since June 20.   So there is more to this than the recent 8 games.  Though, that is clearly where their hitting has come alive.  But their pitching (starting and pen) is the real deal.

Rodon is also only going to get better. His control was the biggest issue earlier this season but he's definitely improved on that.

drewm88


brandx

Quote from: buckchuckler on July 30, 2015, 05:22:59 PM
They are 21-11 since June 20.   So there is more to this than the recent 8 games.  Though, that is clearly where their hitting has come alive.  But their pitching (starting and pen) is the real deal.

That's a pace to win 105+ games over a season.

Sorry, but the Sox are not even close to that.

It is not sustai nable.

buckchuckler

Quote from: brandx on July 31, 2015, 10:31:45 AM
That's a pace to win 105+ games over a season.

Sorry, but the Sox are not even close to that.

It is not sustai nable.

I wasn't trying to say that it was.  I was merely pointing out that their rise is more than the 7 game winning streak.  The other part of the equation is they don't nearly have to play at that pace.  Look, they obviously don't have the greatest chance to make the wild card game, but look at their competition.

The teams they are chasing are 1 game or 2 over .500.  They aren't world beaters.  Maybe the current pace is unsustainable, but they don't need to play at that pace. 

Benny B

Is it just me, or does there seem to be an extraordinary number of deadline deals this year relative to years past?
Quote from: LittleMurs on January 08, 2015, 07:10:33 PM
Wow, I'm very concerned for Benny.  Being able to mimic Myron Medcalf's writing so closely implies an oncoming case of dementia.

buckchuckler

Quote from: Benny B on July 31, 2015, 12:22:06 PM
Is it just me, or does there seem to be an extraordinary number of deadline deals this year relative to years past?

Sure seems like there have been a lot.  And some really big name players changing addresses. 

wadesworld

Quote from: Benny B on July 31, 2015, 12:22:06 PM
Is it just me, or does there seem to be an extraordinary number of deadline deals this year relative to years past?

I felt like last year was a really crazy year at the deadline, but I may just be imagining that.  Weren't there 3 or 4 really big blockbusters on the Friday of the deadline?

I think I remember Oakland, maybe Detroit, and maybe 1 other team making big time moves that Friday.

buckchuckler

Quote from: wadesworld on July 31, 2015, 03:50:12 PM
I felt like last year was a really crazy year at the deadline, but I may just be imagining that.  Weren't there 3 or 4 really big blockbusters on the Friday of the deadline?

I think I remember Oakland, maybe Detroit, and maybe 1 other team making big time moves that Friday.

Yeah you are right, both Lester and Price moved that day. 

Vander Blue Man Group

Big, big week coming up for the Cubs in terms of the wild card race. 

I told myself going into the season I would be satisfied if the team was playing meaningful games come August and September so hopefully I can maintain that perspective with all of the impending highs and lows. 

tower912

Anybody need a GM?   Tigers and Dombrowski part ways.    Alex Avila's dad promoted to GM.   In a related story, every other catcher in the entire system has been released.    ;D
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

brandx

Quote from: tower912 on August 04, 2015, 03:42:23 PM
Anybody need a GM?   Tigers and Dombrowski part ways.    Alex Avila's dad promoted to GM.   In a related story, every other catcher in the entire system has been released.    ;D

I find it very interesting that he was released just days after trading Price and Cespedes.

What say you, Tower? You follow the Tigers closer than the rest of us.

tower912

#372
Mr. Ilitch has to sign off on any move, theoretically.   Dombrowski and Mr. I had been pretty simpatico since they teamed up.   Pure speculation, but perhaps they reached a point where they had a different take on this team, this season, and going forward.    Perhaps Mr. I wanted to buy, D wanted to sell.   Or, maybe Dombrowski, who's contract was up at the end of the year anyway, had started to put out feelers and Ilitch, who values loyalty very highly, got wind of it and dumped him.   Honestly, I was completely wrong-footed on this one and I don't really have a good answer. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

GGGG

Quote from: tower912 on August 05, 2015, 06:18:27 AM
Mr. Ilitch has to sign off on any move, theoretically.   Dombrowski and Mr. I had been pretty simpatico since they teamed up.   Pure speculation, but perhaps they reached a point where they had a different take on this team, this season, and going forward.    Perhaps Mr. I wanted to buy, D wanted to sell.   Or, maybe Dombrowski, who's contract was up at the end of the year anyway, had started to put out feelers and Ilitch, who values loyalty very highly, got wind of it and dumped him.   Honestly, I was completely wrong-footed on this one and I don't really have a good answer. 


It could have very well been a mutual decision.  If he's not coming back, no harm in moving on at this point. 

Maybe the Brewers could hire him.

Vander Blue Man Group

Cubs sweep the Giants to open up a 3.5 game lead for the last wildcard spot, all while starting 4 rookies most days. Arrieta needs to be in the Cy Young conversation.

Keep it going, boys.

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