Interesting Postgame Quotes - Wojo

[JakeBarnes]

Hey everyone, I figured I should contribute to this thread like I did the first 20,000 times it was made.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Personally, yes, I'd rather see Dawson back up Carlino than Derrick.  However, with Carlino in the fold it isn't critical that Dawson play the point (nor should he) - last year however - it was critical that a change be made.

However, if Wojo wants to play Derrick, that's fine so long as the role is limited to 10 minutes per game as Carlino's sub.  I could handle 10 minutes of Derrick in that role.  I just don't "get" what Derrick brings to the table in a game while on the floor with Carlino (who has been the primary ball handler when they have been on the floor together.)  I feel Dawson is a very capable defender, as are JJJ and Cohen, and all 3 of those guys shoot it better than Derrick - so why have him on the floor with Carlino taking away time from more skilled/younger guys?

I don't want to be a dick, but you have repeatedly stated that Dawson is better than Derrick.

Why does it matter if it's only 10mpg? If Dawson is better, shouldn't he get the minutes no matter what?

Am I missing something?

[willie warrior]

Personally, yes, I'd rather see Dawson back up Carlino than Derrick.  However, with Carlino in the fold it isn't critical that Dawson play the point (nor should he) - last year however - it was critical that a change be made.

However, if Wojo wants to play Derrick, that's fine so long as the role is limited to 10 minutes per game as Carlino's sub.  I could handle 10 minutes of Derrick in that role.  I just don't "get" what Derrick brings to the table in a game while on the floor with Carlino (who has been the primary ball handler when they have been on the floor together.)  I feel Dawson is a very capable defender, as are JJJ and Cohen, and all 3 of those guys shoot it better than Derrick - so why have him on the floor with Carlino taking away time from more skilled/younger guys?

Derrick is in there when Carlino is because of his deadeye perimeter shooting, his court vision, and his penetrating jaw dropping moves to the bucket.

[Lennys Tap]

Last year:

1.Nobody said that Derrick was a good point guard.
2.Some (Buzz, myself, Sultan, Tower, TAMU and others) did say that Derrick was a better point guard than John Dawson. Because of that opinion, Buzz was accused of intentionally throwing games and we were ridiculed as slurpers who knew nothing about basketball.

This year:

1.Nobody has said that Derrick is a good point guard.
2.Some (Wojo, myself, Sultan Tower, TAMU and others) have said that Derrick is a better point guard than John Dawson.

Possible conclusions:

Ners, Willie, Mojo, etc., are right. Buzz and Wojo are either basketball idiots, trying to lose or (yikes) both. And those who agree with Buzz and Wojo are know nothing slurpers.

Or

Ners, Willie, Mojo, etc., watch but do not see.

[Lighthouse 84]

For whatever reason, and I think it's safe to assume it's a basketball reason, both Wojo and BW think DeWill is a better option than JD.  We know you've got incredible basketball acumen Ners, as you remind this board time and again, but for f%@$'s sake....don't you think that maybe the head coaches and all their assistants, with all of their years of evaluating talent, have it right?

[willie warrior]

The Derrick/Dawson debate is now getting to the point of silliness. Both have plusses and minuses. Both are in the program and are trying to improve. IMO, right now they are about equal, and Derrick gets the edge because of his seniority.

Some of you are just getting your jollies on Ners by denigrating Dawson, who really has not played near enough to warrant the criticism of his game as compared to Derrick. Well Ok, Tis the season to be jolly. Maybe the debate should shift from Derrick/Dawson to why Derrick is pulling minutes from JJJ and Du. Wilson, who both are way more talented than Derrick--not even close. And anybody can see that. Not a slam against Derrick--he does the best he can with his skills. But my sense is that most agree he is a backup PG that should not garner the minutes he is getting. And why he and Carlino are out there together is baffling to a lot of people.

[MU B2002]

These are all fair points.  My issue again, is that Derrick's performance was so incredibly abysmal last season, that I find/found it highly unlikely Dawson as a 3 star recruit (same as Derrick) who as a freshman shot 4 times better than Derrick from the 3 and 2 time better from the FT line, and showed he had a nice mid-range game, in GAMES - certainly wasn't evidence enough to me to think he's worse.

You seem to omit results for FG in general, why is that?  
Is it because of this:
Derrick: .391%
John: .320%


It is easy to pick and choose what stats to use to fit a narrative.

And also, Derrick is shooting .500% from 3 this year. So I guess you just have to go with the hot hand.  He's a gamer.  



I like Derrick, he has some skills. I like Dawson, think he has some potential to be a good role player for us.  You can always use extra PGs.   I believe we can trust Wojo and his coaching staff to decide the best way to utilize each player. They are a lot smarter than us.

[WarriorInNYC]

The Derrick/Dawson debate is now getting to the point of silliness. Both have plusses and minuses. Both are in the program and are trying to improve. IMO, right now they are about equal, and Derrick gets the edge because of his seniority.

Some of you are just getting your jollies on Ners by denigrating Dawson, who really has not played near enough to warrant the criticism of his game as compared to Derrick. Well Ok, Tis the season to be jolly. Maybe the debate should shift from Derrick/Dawson to why Derrick is pulling minutes from JJJ and Du. Wilson, who both are way more talented than Derrick--not even close. And anybody can see that. Not a slam against Derrick--he does the best he can with his skills. But my sense is that most agree he is a backup PG that should not garner the minutes he is getting. And why he and Carlino are out there together is baffling to a lot of people.

Where has there been "denigrating" of Dawson?  I've seen comparisons of his game to Dawson where one is thought to not be as good as the other, but no where do I see posters here tearing Dawson apart.

[NersEllenson]

Where has there been "denigrating" of Dawson?  I've seen comparisons of his game to Dawson where one is thought to not be as good as the other, but no where do I see posters here tearing Dawson apart.

Well, you don't have 975 minutes of game action from Dawson last season to tear apart or draw conclusions from.

You seem to omit results for FG in general, why is that? 
Is it because of this:
Derrick: .391%
John: .320%


It is easy to pick and choose what stats to use to fit a narrative.

And also, Derrick is shooting .500% from 3 this year. So I guess you just have to go with the hot hand.  He's a gamer.   



I like Derrick, he has some skills. I like Dawson, think he has some potential to be a good role player for us.  You can always use extra PGs.   I believe we can trust Wojo and his coaching staff to decide the best way to utilize each player. They are a lot smarter than us.

Derrick's FG percentage was compiled by taking 90% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  Again, stats are only so good at times.  I'd sure as hell hope a guy can convert at 39% from point blank range.

[brandx]

Good to see that we are finally getting around to discussing this issue. We've ignored it for too long.

[NersEllenson]

Last year:

1.Nobody said that Derrick was a good point guard.
2.Some (Buzz, myself, Sultan, Tower, TAMU and others) did say that Derrick was a better point guard than John Dawson. Because of that opinion, Buzz was accused of intentionally throwing games and we were ridiculed as slurpers who knew nothing about basketball.

This year:

1.Nobody has said that Derrick is a good point guard.
2.Some (Wojo, myself, Sultan Tower, TAMU and others) have said that Derrick is a better point guard than John Dawson.

Possible conclusions:

Ners, Willie, Mojo, etc., are right. Buzz and Wojo are either basketball idiots, trying to lose or (yikes) both. And those who agree with Buzz and Wojo are know nothing slurpers.

Or

Ners, Willie, Mojo, etc., watch but do not see.

Nice synopsis Lenny.  Help me understand, when you watch Derrick at PG what do you see? 

[mu-rara]

Nice synopsis Lenny.  Help me understand, when you watch Derrick at PG what do you see? 

Let me try it this way.

Ners, We ALL agree with you on the problem (I think).

We disagree on the solution.  Most of us (again, I think) feel that Buzz and Wojo have a much better handle than you do.

[NersEllenson]

Let me try it this way.

Ners, We ALL agree with you on the problem (I think).

We disagree on the solution.  Most of us (again, I think) feel that Buzz and Wojo have a much better handle than you do.

Sounds good.  But I won't concede on Buzz and his decision-making last season.   I'm not going to pass judgement on Wojo until conference play and how minutes are allocated.

[GGGG]

Were you yourself not surprised/shocked after DAwson played so well against GTown that the next home game against Nova he got 8 minutes?

Yes.  But instead of coming to the conclusion that "Buzz is a dumb coach" or "Buzz is being stubborn," I came to the conclusion "John Dawson was a flash in the pan, and may not be as good as the Georgetown game indicated."

And I think Wojo's use of him so far indicates that I may have been correct.

[Galway Eagle]

So in a few months after derrick graduates are we still gonna debate this? Cause I can't really remember what scoop was about before this debate.

[willie warrior]

Last year:

1.Nobody said that Derrick was a good point guard.
2.Some (Buzz, myself, Sultan, Tower, TAMU and others) did say that Derrick was a better point guard than John Dawson. Because of that opinion, Buzz was accused of intentionally throwing games and we were ridiculed as slurpers who knew nothing about basketball.

This year:

1.Nobody has said that Derrick is a good point guard.
2.Some (Wojo, myself, Sultan Tower, TAMU and others) have said that Derrick is a better point guard than John Dawson.

Possible conclusions:

Ners, Willie, Mojo, etc., are right. Buzz and Wojo are either basketball idiots, trying to lose or (yikes) both. And those who agree with Buzz and Wojo are know nothing slurpers.

Or

Ners, Willie, Mojo, etc., watch but do not see.

Sorry Lenny, I never said Wojo was an idiot--you just did. I have strongly criticized Buzz as a bonehead, stubborn, etc.--don't ever recall saying he was an idiot. You just did. I see and observe. Speaking of watches, how's yours ticking?

By the way, my criticism of  Phony Cowboy centered around a number of issues from prior years, not hardly on playing Dawson over Wilson. Please don't lump me in with the rest of those you are trying to slander over that issue.

[willie warrior]

Well, you don't have 975 minutes of game action from Dawson last season to tear apart or draw conclusions from.

Derrick's FG percentage was compiled by taking 90% of his shots within 3 feet of the basket.  Again, stats are only so good at times.  I'd sure as hell hope a guy can convert at 39% from point blank range.

Where are you getting "975 minutes" for Dawson from last year? Did not realize he averaged 30 mpg.

[MU B2002]

Where are you getting "975 minutes" for Dawson from last year? Did not realize he averaged 30 mpg.

He is referring to D Wil. 

[NersEllenson]

So in a few months after derrick graduates are we still gonna debate this? Cause I can't really remember what scoop was about before this debate.

LOL.  Good point. To answer the question:  Nope.  Will be nice for everyone come April.  But unfortunately the board will go quite stale without the lightening rod of Derrick. 

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

How on God's green earth is this conversation still going on? I mean, c'mon.  Just ban the guy and let's move on with life.  It has made these boards unreadable. 

[MU B2002]

LOL.  Good point. To answer the question:  Nope.  Will be nice for everyone come April.  But unfortunately the board will go quite stale without the lightening rod of Derrick. 

Posters had other topics to debate before Derrick, and will have topics to debate post Derrick.  (Most posters at least.)

[Galway Eagle]

LOL.  Good point. To answer the question:  Nope.  Will be nice for everyone come April.  But unfortunately the board will go quite stale without the lightening rod of Derrick. 

So there is an end in sight? There won't be threads started that might be like "I told all of you!" If Dawson or Duane score 15 in a game that bring up this debate again?

[GGGG]

So there is an end in sight? There won't be threads started that might be like "I told all of you!" If Dawson or Duane score 15 in a game that bring up this debate again?

So in a few months after derrick graduates are we still gonna debate this? Cause I can't really remember what scoop was about before this debate.

Just ignore the f***ing thread.  Seriously you think your nagging is going to change people's behavior?

[Galway Eagle]

Just ignore the f***ing thread.  Seriously you think your nagging is going to change people's behavior?

Well why are you so salty? Get up on the wrong side of the bed? I just wanted some reassurance that scoop could have some diverse arguments again apparantly that offended you?