Ray Rice let go by Ravens

[Aughnanure]

What's an MRA?

Men's Right Activist. Basically the worst people on the internet who think women are the enemy.

[ChicosBailBonds]

You know Freddy Krueger is a fictional character who didn't actually murder anyone, right?

So wearing a Bob Marley costume is offensive, but wearing a costume with blood dripping off a chainsaw is ok.  Cool.  Got it.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Oh my god, you're an MRA.

Did you read the article?   I'm about fairness, that guy is getting hosed.  Did you notice he was African American....does that make me a AAMRA?   

[ChicosBailBonds]

Christ you're an idiot. It doesn't matter how it makes YOU feel. It IS racism in one of it's most obvious forms.

So you didn't read the article by the African American that agrees 100% with me on this.....you can call me an idiot all you want....I guess you are calling him an idiot as well.  Must be an Uncle Tom Idiot...right?  LOL

[ChicosBailBonds]

Doing something blatantly offensive such as wearing blackface doesn't necessarily make one a racist bigoted jaghole. More likely, it makes you misinformed and tone deaf.

Incessantly defending such actions on the other hand ....

Also, TIL that a person dating an African American couldn't possibly do anything offensive. I'll add this to the "but I have black/Hispanic/gay friends" defense for bigotry.

Perhaps true, but to make a ridiculous statement that Reinko made with such broad strokes was just that...ridiculous.  As for Ted Danson, I don't find your analogy compelling.  IMO.

Again, it's Halloween.  Context is everything.

[ChicosBailBonds]

But he's our douchebag!

Brandx calling me a douchebag when he called my wife a liar....there is a special place in hypocrisy land for Brandx.  I also love his liberal "tolerance", if you don't agree with his views of the world, you're a douchebag.....tolerance baby....progress....moving forward.   

[mu03eng]

Good sweet gentle baby jeebus....even I'm considering using the report to moderator feature on this thread....firebomb this whole damn thread.

[brandx]

Brandx calling me a douchebag when he called my wife a liar....there is a special place in hypocrisy land for Brandx.  I also love his liberal "tolerance", if you don't agree with his views of the world, you're a douchebag.....tolerance baby....progress....moving forward.   

As I have said before - I don't believe I have ever referenced your wife in any way, in any form, or at any time. But just to be sure, maybe you could ask that secret black "friend" of yours.

You are the liar.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Christ you're an idiot. It doesn't matter how it makes YOU feel. It IS racism in one of it's most obvious forms.

Could you please not use the Lord's name in vain....it's incredibly disappointing and even though it may not impact you, it impacts others.  Thanks

[Pakuni]

So wearing a Bob Marley costume is offensive, but wearing a costume with blood dripping off a chainsaw is ok.  Cool.  Got it.

A Bob Marley costume and blackface are synonymous?
But yes, dressing as a fictional character - even a murderous one - is indeed less offensive than blackface.

As has often been the case, you're either completely obtuse regarding historical context or willfully ignorant of it.

[ChicosBailBonds]

A Bob Marley costume and blackface are synonymous?
But yes, dressing as a fictional character - even a murderous one - is indeed less offensive than blackface.

As has often been the case, you're either completely obtuse regarding historical context or willfully ignorant of it.

Well, you may want to talk to him and others.  I guess he, as an African American, is obtuse and or willfully ignorant.  His email is attached, please feel free to educate him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/ike-awgu/blackface-halloween-racism_b_4177000.html

[tower912]

https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=Aj0OnR2Y2YubwDE_otVgX_6bvZx4?fr=yfp-t-250-s&toggle=1&fp=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&p=the%20only%20winning%20move%20is%20not%20to%20play


30+ years ago, Joshua the WOPR figured out what to do about this guy.  

[Pakuni]

Well, you may want to talk to him and others.  I guess he, as an African American, is obtuse and or willfully ignorant.  His email is attached, please feel free to educate him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/ike-awgu/blackface-halloween-racism_b_4177000.html

Nice try, Chico's, but the author here says essentially the same thing I said a few posts ago ... that wearing blackface isn't necessarily racist, but it is offensive.

Now, if I go find a link to a essay by an African American who says blackface is indeed racist, will you then agree  ... since the author is African American? Or does that lame little rhetorical trick only work when it's a person who you think - in this case, wrongly - shares your position?

[Silkk the Shaka]

I don't know if I'm "offended" by blackface...

But, I do think it's in poor taste, and I would never recommend it to my friends.

Sort of like cargo shorts.

haha amazing analogy

[Henry Sugar]

Shame on me for jumping in this thread...

Here's an explanation of why blackface is so offensive.
http://www.vox.com/2014/10/29/7089591/dont-get-whats-wrong-with-blackface-heres-why-its-so-offensive

"The ability to be ignorant, to be unaware of the history and consequences of racial bigotry, to simply do as one pleases, is a quintessential element of privilege. The ability to disparage, to demonize, to ridicule, and to engage in racially hurtful practices from the comfort of one's segregated neighborhoods and racially homogeneous schools reflects both privilege and power. The ability to blame others for being oversensitive, for playing the race card, or for making much ado about nothing are privileges codified structurally and culturally."

or perhaps you like helpful pictures

[brandx]

Shame on me for jumping in this thread...

Here's an explanation of why blackface is so offensive.
http://www.vox.com/2014/10/29/7089591/dont-get-whats-wrong-with-blackface-heres-why-its-so-offensive

"The ability to be ignorant, to be unaware of the history and consequences of racial bigotry, to simply do as one pleases, is a quintessential element of privilege. The ability to disparage, to demonize, to ridicule, and to engage in racially hurtful practices from the comfort of one's segregated neighborhoods and racially homogeneous schools reflects both privilege and power. The ability to blame others for being oversensitive, for playing the race card, or for making much ado about nothing are privileges codified structurally and culturally."

or perhaps you like helpful pictures

Despite my earlier post, I agree almost completely.

I just think Halloween - which has evolved into a holiday to see who can be the most tasteless and offensive - may be the one time it is acceptable because it is not a statement of someone's beliefs (as it would be if done at any other time).

[Silkk the Shaka]

Yeah, I've boycotted Cheers forever since their star once went in costume with blackface....with Whoopi Goldberg I might add.

Went to see The Judge a few days ago, whenever Robert Downey jr. appeared on screen I turned away due to his role in blackface several years ago. 

Someone has to have standards around here.

Nothing funnier than picturing Chicos sitting around watching Cheers thinking to himself, "They sure don't make sitcoms like they used to. Those were truly the halcyon days."

And Downey Jr. wore blackface to mock moronic actors who would do that thinking it was "method". Not surprising you would miss that not-so-subtle point.

[drewm88]

Chicos,
Do you find it acceptable for two people to go as slave and slave master for Halloween? Blackface, whip, whip marks, etc.

What about a blackface civil rights protestor and a police officer with a dog or firehose?

Curious if you have a place where you draw the line.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Nice try, Chico's, but the author here says essentially the same thing I said a few posts ago ... that wearing blackface isn't necessarily racist, but it is offensive.

Now, if I go find a link to a essay by an African American who says blackface is indeed racist, will you then agree  ... since the author is African American? Or does that lame little rhetorical trick only work when it's a person who you think - in this case, wrongly - shares your position?

Apparently Reinko and others here feel that it is an indication of the 364 other days that they are, indeed, racist. I'm glad to see this author doesn't agree. I'm glad to read some of the tweets in support of his position.  I was equally interested in reading the tweets that lambasted him, calling him an Uncle Tom.  Tolerance.  Progress.  Moving forward. 

Right back at you on the nice try....you'll note that I said someone will find it offensive, someone always does.  So you can find those articles if you wish, there are plenty out there, but I've already covered it.  There is always someone that is outraged over something....and nothing is easier to scream these days than racist, especially when there is no other argument.  It's been wonderful to see in the campaigns, that's for sure.  Don't agree with my position on environment...well...uhm...racist!!!

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos,
Do you find it acceptable for two people to go as slave and slave master for Halloween? Blackface, whip, whip marks, etc.

What about a blackface civil rights protestor and a police officer with a dog or firehose?

Curious if you have a place where you draw the line.

Absolutely would not....because that is a truly racial connotation.

Dressing up as Bob Marley isn't.   Dressing up as a slave owner with a whip, is.  As I said earlier, context and intent is everything.  That's why I like that author's point, that context and intent is, in fact, everything.  People run around screaming racism at every turn because its easy, when in fact that isn't the case at all.  In your example above, that would be the intent. 

[drewm88]

Absolutely would not....because that is a truly racial connotation.

Dressing up as Bob Marley isn't.   Dressing up as a slave owner with a whip, is.  As I said earlier, context and intent is everything.  That's why I like that author's point, that context and intent is, in fact, everything.  People run around screaming racism at every turn because its easy, when in fact that isn't the case at all.  In your example above, that would be the intent. 

Thanks for clarifying. I understand but disagree.

[reinko]

Is wearing black face on Halloween racist?   Probably not.   But if you do,  you have probably used the n word to describe an African American who currently you off on the freeway.

[Pakuni]

Absolutely would not....because that is a truly racial connotation.

Dressing up as Bob Marley isn't.   Dressing up as a slave owner with a whip, is.  As I said earlier, context and intent is everything.  That's why I like that author's point, that context and intent is, in fact, everything.  People run around screaming racism at every turn because its easy, when in fact that isn't the case at all.  In your example above, that would be the intent. 

Why do you keep changing "blackface" into "dressing up as Bob Marley?"
These are not the same thing.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Is wearing black face on Halloween racist?   Probably not.   But if you do,  you have probably used the n word to describe an African American who currently you off on the freeway.

Is teal not working?

[swoopem]

Fun fact: Bob Marley was half white. His dad was a British guy who was a land surveyor in Jamaica