Buzz needs to sit Derrick Wilson

[CTWarrior]

When Derrick leaves the game, it seems there is less of a true PG on the floor.  I thought Jamil did most of the ball handling when Dawson was in, and all three freshmen were guilty of some sloppy passing while in the game.  But the ball movement was great while Derrick sat (it was better than usual while he as in the game, too).  I think Buzz is getting close to the guard rotation he is looking for. 

I think sitting more will benefit Derrick, too.  If he's on the floor all the time the defense can settle in with their packing the middle with his man defense.  If he is in and out the defense will have to switch more often, and that constant changing should result in teams playing Derrick a little tighter and perhaps allowing him some lanes to penetrate.

[BCHoopster]

Derrick can play all he wants if Juan has a game like yesterday.   Then they will be fine.  You need scoring from the outside, Juan brought it yesterday.  Thomas had 6 and Mayo had 8 so
that is help as well, but 11 from Juan is a bigger difference.  Lets see them score against New Mexico next week.  They are a big slow team, there bigs are as slow as MU's.  That is a winnable game.

[Nevada233]

One of Dawson's assists yesterday illustrates the main problem with Derrick Wilson.  At one point Dawson caught the ball on the wing and the defender doubling on Gardner flew out to guard Dawson, who threw a simple entry pass back to Gardner for the easy one on one bucket.  That's a pass Derrick Wilson can't make because no defender is going to fly out to guard him when he has the ball at the 3 point line.

That said, I still think Derrick should start, but I like how he was used yesterday, with lesser minutes and other players rotating through to give us multiple looks.

That entry pass alone.. was what we dont have consistently... Dawson had a bad turnover but so did jake on a dump down to otule.. if we want to nit pick... i like what he will be...

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

No he didn't switch. After that bucket he was still the guy who brought it up. Just because he passed it to jamil at the top and jamil swung it to him before feeding OX

Doesn't mean Jamil was running the show.

I think you watched a different game than I did...

[PGsHeroes32]

I think you watched a different game than I did...

bummer

I watched the one where we won by 36.

You probably watched Derricks goose egg vs Wisconsin

Or was the goose egg a recurring theme?

[NavinRJohnson]

bummer

I watched the one where we won by 36.

You probably watched Derricks goose egg vs Wisconsin

Or was the goose egg a recurring theme?

Changing the subject is typically another way of saying, "you're right, I was wrong." I appreciate your honesty.

[PGsHeroes32]

Changing the subject is typically another way of saying, "you're right, I was wrong." I appreciate your honesty.

How did I change the subject?

You drunk?

[tower912]

Dawson didn't show enough against IUPUI to warrant play in conference.   Unless DuWilson in the answer, DeWilson should continue to get 35. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

bummer

I watched the one where we won by 36.

You probably watched Derricks goose egg vs Wisconsin

Or was the goose egg a recurring theme?

I too watched the game where we won by 36 points, you know the one where Dawson ran the point once and turned it over so Jamil take over and ran the point until Buzz pulled him because we were up by 40

[GooooMarquette]

Dawson didn't show enough against IUPUI to warrant play in conference.   Unless DuWilson in the answer, DeWilson should continue to get 35. 

Agree 100%.  I'd love to see Dawson help out if Duane can't, but he clearly isn't there yet.  And if Duane isn't ready, Derrick will continue to get huge minutes.

[jesmu84]

I too watched the game where we won by 36 points, you know the one where Dawson ran the point once and turned it over so Jamil take over and ran the point until Buzz pulled him because we were up by 40

This is definitely what happened. A couple guys pointed it out in the game chat as it was happening

[Lennys Tap]

Dawson didn't show enough against IUPUI to warrant play in conference.   Unless DuWilson in the answer, DeWilson should continue to get 35. 

Agree on Dawson, but Jamil will get some of Derrick's minutes going forward.

[NersEllenson]

Just to clarify....Dawson wasn't pulled off being point guard while Jamil was in the game - they alternated, and generally it was a matter of who was in a better outlet position, and Jamil also pulled down a number of rebounds where he just brought the ball up the floor.

Love how all the Derrick bandwagon are so quick to say - Dawson didn't show enough against IUPUI to warrant being ready for conference play - well, what did Derrick show against IUPUI, 0 points in 22 minutes, 5 assists?  

Derrick has shown me over the course of 10 games, 8 of which he got MAX minutes, virtually nothing - save for 1 decent game against ASU - although he got lit up by Carson and Thames for SDSU.

***Any of you ever think its ironic that the 2 games Derrick played the least - Grambling and now IUPUI (who isn't nearly as bad as Grambling), our offense has posted its best numbers??***

[Lighthouse 84]

Just to clarify....Dawson wasn't pulled off being point guard while Jamil was in the game - they alternated, and generally it was a matter of who was in a better outlet position, and Jamil also pulled down a number of rebounds where he just brought the ball up the floor.

That's what I saw as well Ners.  But......what I also saw (twice by my count) was Jamil bringing the ball up, looking JD's way, then looking and passing elsewhere, even though JD was open on the wing.  Since it happened twice, it struck me as something to think about.

[brewcity77]

***Any of you ever think its ironic that the 2 games Derrick played the least - Grambling and now IUPUI (who isn't nearly as bad as Grambling), our offense has posted its best numbers??***

LOL...I'm glad you brought that up, because Derrick's limited minutes were specifically because we had a massive lead in the early going and didn't need him in there, giving Buzz a chance to experiment with the guys he doesn't really want at point (as minutes indicate) but has to play there in short stints to give Derrick a blow.

Ironic? Hardly. It's indicative of how bad the teams were we were playing that we didn't need Derrick in extended minutes. Also not ironic is you giving way too much credence to player performances against the weakest opposition we've played all year. Expected, rather.

[NersEllenson]

LOL...I'm glad you brought that up, because Derrick's limited minutes were specifically because we had a massive lead in the early going and didn't need him in there, giving Buzz a chance to experiment with the guys he doesn't really want at point (as minutes indicate) but has to play there in short stints to give Derrick a blow.

Ironic? Hardly. It's indicative of how bad the teams were we were playing that we didn't need Derrick in extended minutes. Also not ironic is you giving way too much credence to player performances against the weakest opposition we've played all year. Expected, rather.

Perhaps the bolded is a fair point, and I won't argue against that.  But, I will argue that it has been hard for me to find how DeWill has been such an asset to the team while in the game, when the statistics and Sugar's season stats provided just a week ago, show Derrick to be the clear, last place finisher, as far as Efficiency is concerned.  You'd think if a guy were an asset, he wouldn't be a clear last place finisher by every statistical measure all of his teammates are also being bench marked against.

But hey, what do I know.  He plays great defense.  As evidenced by Carson and Thames lighting him up for 23+.

[GGGG]

I cannot believe this bullsh*t has been brought up again.  Magic Dawson simply isn't better than Derrick Wilson.  Derrick Wilson is the best PG on Marquette's roster.  Derrick Wilson should get the bulk of the minutes there until someone actually shows they can do more.  And Magic didn't show that one bit against IUPUI.

But hey, what do I know. 

Not much.

[GGGG]

***Any of you ever think its ironic that the 2 games Derrick played the least - Grambling and now IUPUI (who isn't nearly as bad as Grambling), our offense has posted its best numbers??***

DAVANTE ONLY PLAYED 14 MINUTES AGAINST GRAMBLING WHEN WE HAD OUR BEST OFFENSIVE OUTPUT!!!  OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO PLAY DAVANTE LESS!!!!!

[brewcity77]

As a first-year starter, Derrick has been more efficient on offense than Junior was as a junior and only slightly lower than he was as a senior.

Meanwhile, Dawson has BY FAR the lowest offensive efficiency on the team, 14 points lower than Wilson. But what does Ken Pomeroy know. He only makes hay analyzing every player and team in Division I basketball.

[Lennys Tap]

Just to clarify....Dawson wasn't pulled off being point guard while Jamil was in the game - they alternated, and generally it was a matter of who was in a better outlet position, and Jamil also pulled down a number of rebounds where he just brought the ball up the floor.

Love how all the Derrick bandwagon are so quick to say - Dawson didn't show enough against IUPUI to warrant being ready for conference play - well, what did Derrick show against IUPUI, 0 points in 22 minutes, 5 assists?  

Derrick has shown me over the course of 10 games, 8 of which he got MAX minutes, virtually nothing - save for 1 decent game against ASU - although he got lit up by Carson and Thames for SDSU.

***Any of you ever think its ironic that the 2 games Derrick played the least - Grambling and now IUPUI (who isn't nearly as bad as Grambling), our offense has posted its best numbers??***

Ners

I am well aware of Derrick's limitations. But, again, what is it about Dawson that makes you so enamored of him? He's young, inexperienced, didn't really play top notch competition in high school, wasn't ranked in the top 125 out of high school and hasn't distinguished himself on the court yet at MU. If Burton or JJJ played the point I could see the "controversy" but Dawson gives no indication to me that he's remotely ready. Am I missing something?

[brewcity77]

I cannot believe this bullsh*t has been brought up again.

Really Sultan, really? You cannot believe this has been brought up again? You do realize who is beating this drum, right? The same guy that would still be trying to argue Vander vs Davante if only Blue had come back for his senior season.

Be honest...you knew it would be brought up again. Just like you now know this isn't the last time we'll have this discussion. My money says it doesn't end until Derrick graduates

[GooooMarquette]

***Any of you ever think its ironic that the 2 games Derrick played the least - Grambling and now IUPUI (who isn't nearly as bad as Grambling), our offense has posted its best numbers??***

IUPUI's current realtime RPI is 288.  Regardless of the fact that Grambling is even worse, we got our best offensive production against them - with Derrick playing fewer minutes - because IUPUI stinks...not because Magic Dawson took over.

[NersEllenson]

As a first-year starter, Derrick has been more efficient on offense than Junior was as a junior and only slightly lower than he was as a senior.

Meanwhile, Dawson has BY FAR the lowest offensive efficiency on the team, 14 points lower than Wilson. But what does Ken Pomeroy know. He only makes hay analyzing every player and team in Division I basketball.

Fair enough - and we all know Junior took a ton of sh$t here as a Junior, and to an extent as a senior.  Sorry, different strokes for different folks - I just like Dawson's game better than Derrick's.

[BCHoopster]

Fair enough - and we all know Junior took a ton of sh$t here as a Junior, and to an extent as a senior.  Sorry, different strokes for different folks - I just like Dawson's game better than Derrick's.

Ners, Derrick is a nice floor leader, rebounds a little, plays D, but that is it.  Not really a good passer, can not shoot at all, yes, he can make a lay-up once in awhile.  Dawson is young and
has not played against top competition yet, needs a year of seasoning, if Duane was healthy, he should have red-shirted.  In the long run, he will be a much better player than Derrick.
Remember one thing, Buzz loves Derrick. Dawson will be much improved his sophomore year.

[brewcity77]

I admit...I feel sorry for John. He seems to have a lot of upside and over the next 2-4 years should develop into a really nice player for us. And I say 2-4 not because I think he's an early entrant candidate but because I think it won't be until sometime in his sophomore season at the earliest that he really becomes an impact player. Anyway...this Magic Dawson label, while hilarious, is completely unfair. I guess that's what happens when one Superfan anoints you because of one pass you made in the lane against Grambling.

(No doubt a handful of other plays will be mentioned, but a ridiculously small sample size for all the acclaim he garners from some corners)

I truly wish the best for John and can't wait to see him develop as a player to the point where he not only earns minutes but is good enough to demand them.