2013 NFC North/NFL Thread

[Lennys Tap]

Wrong

On their last two drives (both touchdowns to bring them from 8 down to win the game) the Packers ran it down the Bear's throat to the tune of 17 yards on 9 carries. Rodgers completed 8 of 11 for 150 yards and scrambled once for 5 yards. So yeah, they won it by running it down the Bear's throats. Not.

[Dish]

Gotta suck to be a Bears (or Lions/Vikings) fan.  Packers finally have an awful season riddled with awful defense and a plethora of injuries, go 8-7-1, and...still win the NFC North.  Comical.

Not at all actually. Bears lost their QB and two best defenders to significant injury time. Bears defense is barely NFL worthy, let alone playoff worthy.

Lions? Sure, I'll give you that.

If anything, Pack should have run away with the division if they had a competent back up weeks ago. Not sure why you harp on that point of it sucking, because it doesn't at all.

[damuts222]

Regardless of who won that game San Francisco's defense is much better than Bears or packers defense.  I am not disappointed as a Bears fan. Dumb plays cost them the game, Bears had many wins slip away all season because of the same..dumb plays.  Redskins and Vikings games off the top of my head should have been wins.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Your assumption, Lenny, is to know what would have happened on plays there weren't run.  I know you think you are good, and even can tell the future, but you can't.  No one knows, impossible to know because every play is different, every outcome different.  On a play where it is passed, no one knows if that were a run how it would turn out and vice versa. 

Thus, you are wrong. 

[tower912]

The Lions are who they have been for as long as I have been aware of football.    A team that underperforms its talent and finds ways to lose.   This season is no more painful than any other.   More comical, but not more painful. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

They probably will get their ass kicked.  But between this game and the Cowboys' game, this has been one memorable year.

Sometimes better to be lucky than good...definitely some gifts there....oh never mind, you don't believe in that.  LOL

[wadesworld]

Not at all actually. Bears lost their QB and two best defenders to significant injury time. Bears defense is barely NFL worthy, let alone playoff worthy.

Lions? Sure, I'll give you that.

If anything, Pack should have run away with the division if they had a competent back up weeks ago. Not sure why you harp on that point of it sucking, because it doesn't at all.

I'd be pretty disappointed if my biggest rival, a divisional opponent who wins the division more often than not (at least recently), lost their starting QB, a top 2 QB in the NFL, for 8 (including the 1st Bears game since he only played 1 drive) weeks - half of a season - and went 2-5-1, including 6 straight weeks without a win, went 8-7-1 (what will probably be their worst record in a 10+ year span in a few years), and they still win the division.

The Packers should have run away with the Division weeks ago?  Now that is comical.  QB out for half of the season, 2 of our top 3 receiving targets out for over half the season (Finley and Cobb), 4th best receiving option out for multiple weeks, first quality running back we've had in years out for multiple weeks, etc.  The fact that they were anywhere near the top of the Division is dumbfounding.

Also, people need to stop saying Marshall and Jeffries are the best 1-2 receiving punch in the NFL.  They are certainly very, very good.  Not saying they aren't at all.  But I would take any 2 of Nelson, Cobb, and Jones over them any day of the week.  Nelson himself might make up the best 1-2 punch in the league.  Then again, with what we've seen from Jennings in Minnesota this year, maybe it really is just that Aaron Rodgers is that good.

[GGGG]

Not many people picked the Bears to do much more than they did.

But the Lions?  Yeah.  But the Bears were pretty much what people thought they were.

[wadesworld]

Eddy Lacy showed up to camp in shape... (full disclosure, i really liked the pick for the pack)

Before:

After:

Good call.

[4everwarriors]

Cat looks like Raji. Would bet the house he's into grains.

[Dish]

I'd be pretty disappointed if my biggest rival, a divisional opponent who wins the division more often than not (at least recently), lost their starting QB, a top 2 QB in the NFL, for 8 (including the 1st Bears game since he only played 1 drive) weeks - half of a season - and went 2-5-1, including 6 straight weeks without a win, went 8-7-1 (what will probably be their worst record in a 10+ year span in a few years), and they still win the division.

The Packers should have run away with the Division weeks ago?  Now that is comical.  QB out for half of the season, 2 of our top 3 receiving targets out for over half the season (Finley and Cobb), 4th best receiving option out for multiple weeks, first quality running back we've had in years out for multiple weeks, etc.  The fact that they were anywhere near the top of the Division is dumbfounding.

Also, people need to stop saying Marshall and Jeffries are the best 1-2 receiving punch in the NFL.  They are certainly very, very good.  Not saying they aren't at all.  But I would take any 2 of Nelson, Cobb, and Jones over them any day of the week.  Nelson himself might make up the best 1-2 punch in the league.  Then again, with what we've seen from Jennings in Minnesota this year, maybe it really is just that Aaron Rodgers is that good.

Sorry, not sure what else to tell you, but it's all true.

I love Nelson and Cobb, but clearly they are much better because of ARod.

The fact that they were in the division race was dumbfounding? What the hell division were you watching? Come on man.

[jesmu84]

Also, people need to stop saying Marshall and Jeffries are the best 1-2 receiving punch in the NFL.  They are certainly very, very good.  Not saying they aren't at all.  But I would take any 2 of Nelson, Cobb, and Jones over them any day of the week.  Nelson himself might make up the best 1-2 punch in the league.  Then again, with what we've seen from Jennings in Minnesota this year, maybe it really is just that Aaron Rodgers is that good.

Wow. really hoping you're just trying to troll with this. Otherwise, you're not nearly as intelligent as you think you are.

[wadesworld]

Wow. really hoping you're just trying to troll with this. Otherwise, you're not nearly as intelligent as you think you are.

Not at all.  You watch Jordy Nelson recently?  He was hard to miss today...

[wadesworld]

Not at all.  You watch Jordy Nelson recently?  He was hard to miss today...

Actually, nevermind.  You watch Jordy Nelson at all, since coming to the Packers?  Tell me a receiver who has had more touchdowns than Jordy in the past 3 years...

[wadesworld]

Thomas and Dekker are also a better 1-2 combo than Marshall and Jeffreys.

Sorry, not sure what else to tell you, but it's all true.

I love Nelson and Cobb, but clearly they are much better because of ARod.

The fact that they were in the division race was dumbfounding? What the hell division were you watching? Come on man.

That's the point.  I'd be upset that the Packers actually have a really bad season (by their standards) and my team still can't take advantage and win the Division.

[Dish]

Thomas and Dekker are also a better 1-2 combo than Marshall and Jeffreys.

That's the point.  I'd be upset that the Packers actually have a really bad season (by their standards) and my team still can't take advantage and win the Division.

Please do me a solid and call Boers and Bernstein tomorrow, I'm begging you. Thank you in advance.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Actually, nevermind.  You watch Jordy Nelson at all, since coming to the Packers?  Tell me a receiver who has had more touchdowns than Jordy in the past 3 years...

Is that the product of the system and QB, or because of Nelson?  I don't know, I'm asking.  


By the way, Jordy has 30 in the last 3 years...not even the most in his own division.  Megatron has 33

Dez Bryant 33 (still playing tonight), Gronkowski 32 (despite missing massive games), Dekker has 31....I stopped looking....Nelson is up there for sure, but also helps to have Rodgers as QB and an offense prior to this year that didn't know the run existed.  

[jesmu84]

Thomas and Dekker are also a better 1-2 combo than Marshall and Jeffreys.

That's the point.  I'd be upset that the Packers actually have a really bad season (by their standards) and my team still can't take advantage and win the Division.

because the bears had a good, injury-free season? please.

[Dish]

I love Jordy Nelson, but no GM in the NFL, CFL, World League, USFL, Arena League would trade Marshall or Jeffrey (not Jeffreys) straight up for Nelson or Decker. Not. A. Chance.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I love Jordy Nelson, but no GM in the NFL, CFL, World League, USFL, Arena League would trade Marshall or Jeffrey (not Jeffreys) straight up for Nelson or Decker. Not. A. Chance.

Winner winner. 

[Coleman]

I've been listening to The Score tonight. The whining is entertaining

[Lennys Tap]

Your assumption, Lenny, is to know what would have happened on plays there weren't run.  I know you think you are good, and even can tell the future, but you can't.  No one knows, impossible to know because every play is different, every outcome different.  On a play where it is passed, no one knows if that were a run how it would turn out and vice versa. 

Thus, you are wrong. 

You are hilarious. Your strategy was failing. Doing the opposite worked. It's how they won the game. NOBODY who has even a passing knowledge of football thinks the Packers go for 172 yards those final two drives running it down the Bear's throats. It wasn't happening and it wasn't going to happen.

YOU were the one who claims to be good. YOU were the one who said he could predict the future. Run, run, run. (Both teams). Forget the pass and you'll win. Well, the Bears said nuts to that, threw it well and got an 8 point lead. Then the Pack did the same, came back and won by throwing the ball.

Thus, you were wrong not once, but twice. LOL

[Dish]

To further prove this point, check out Nelson's stats with the clown car of Wallace/Tolzien/Flynn. 1 TD. 1 game over 100 yds.

Go check out Marshall/Jeffrey stats with McCown.

The defense rests.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I've been listening to The Score tonight. The whining is entertaining

They have no one to blame but themselves.  Dropping a sure interception.  Letting Cobb get behind them for the TD.  Not emphasizing the run enough....24 rushes to Green Bay's 34 and massive time of possession advantage for Green Bay.  You run the ball not just to gain yardage, but to control clock, keep your awful defense off the field and wear the other guy out. 

[brandx]

Not at all.  You watch Jordy Nelson recently?  He was hard to miss today...

I think you meant he was hard to tackle