2013 NFC North/NFL Thread

[wardle2wade]

Bears fans create terrible arguments.  Do you know what a strawman argument is?  Clearly you don't.

They were easily-inferred conclusions based off what was said. 

Also I love the Packers-Bears rivalry... my opinions are from living in Wisc for a decade and having many Packer-fan friends for the last 15 years.  I know how unlikeable Cutler seems for anyone who is not a Bears fan, but I think it's misguided to indict him as a qb. 

Do I know if it's worth it sign Cutler with all these defensive problems?  I have no idea yet, but I'm sure it'll all play out.  It's ignorant define him as an interception-throwing dime-a-dozen qb who is not worth investing with.  If the Bears can somehow negotiate a favorable contract, the Bears would be dumb not to sign him.  Imo, there are too many other suitors for the Bears to get it done though.

[akmarq]

Bears fans create terrible arguments.  Do you know what a strawman argument is?  Clearly you don't.

Both Packers and Bears fans are football fans. That makes them both insufferable and illogical. If your sentence takes the structure "____ fans are _____", it's probably going to have a pretty bad conclusion.

Maybe Jacksonville fans are exempt from this. They are just drunk and/or sad.

[wadesworld]

Both Packers and Bears fans are football fans. That makes them both insufferable and illogical. If your sentence takes the structure "____ fans are _____", it's probably going to have a pretty bad conclusion.

Maybe Jacksonville fans are exempt from this. They are just drunk and/or sad.

All 2 of them!

[wadesworld]

What's the scoop on Rodgers for Dallas...I assume he is playing?  I'm in my fantasy super bowl unless Marshall scores like 4 TD's tonight, and I've been riding Rodgers on the pine the last 4 weeks.  Any skinny?

Start your other guy.

Grow a pair Rodgers (and/or doctor/McCarthy/front office).

[brandx]

Start your other guy.

Grow a pair Rodgers (and/or doctor/McCarthy/front office).

Rodgers has nothing to say about the decision. Broken bones are different from strains, pulls, etc. It has nothing to do with pain. A simple density scan determines if he can play or not. It is not Rodger's decision. It is not McCarthy's decision. The doctor decides - no one else.

[brandx]

As much as I loved the undersized (now-broken) Johnny Knox, he'd play volleyball and tip it to the defense... Hester's poor route-running alone cost a handful of picks.  Can't remember the exact stat, but between the two of them the Bears had the most unforced INT's in the NFL for a couple seasons.  It's pretty crazy to think how much it's changed now by having both Marshall and the maturing Alshon.

Sounds good until you look at Brady's receivers the last couple years. Julian Edelman is his #1 guy this year. There is no #2 or #3. Whoever gets put in those spots ends up getting benched.

Cutler is what he is - a little bit above average - near the top of the middle tier of QBs in the league. Top 10 - 15 and in a QB starved league that still translates to $15 mil a year. With all of their other needs (entire Defense with Tillman and Jennings FA's and Peppers no longer worth the big money) can they pay that much for a guy who isn't a difference maker at QB?

[jesmu84]

Sounds good until you look at Brady's receivers the last couple years. Julian Edelman is his #1 guy this year. There is no #2 or #3. Whoever gets put in those spots ends up getting benched.

I don't think you can say "last couple years" in regards to Brady. He had welker the last couple years. And brink and hernandez. When it was just Edelman, and the other crap receivers, you really saw how much different it was - Brady getting mad and yelling at everyone not to mention throwing incompletions and picks.

[muarmy81]

Rodgers has nothing to say about the decision. Broken bones are different from strains, pulls, etc. It has nothing to do with pain. A simple density scan determines if he can play or not. It is not Rodger's decision. It is not McCarthy's decision. The doctor decides - no one else.

They didn't do a scan today when making the decision. It was an odd press conference with MCarthy. When asked if the decision was made due to medical concerns, ie the DR didn't clear him, mike jumped in the guy. "Don't get in a word battle with me". Basically said Rodgers isn't playing and that's it. Not really sure who's call it was to sit him.

[wadesworld]

They didn't do a scan today when making the decision. It was an odd press conference with MCarthy. When asked if the decision was made due to medical concerns, ie the DR didn't clear him, mike jumped in the guy. "Don't get in a word battle with me". Basically said Rodgers isn't playing and that's it. Not really sure who's call it was to sit him.

Agreed.  I doubt it's Rodgers's, but I also doubt it's just the doctor's.

[NavinRJohnson]

They didn't do a scan today when making the decision.

He had a scan yesterday.

[MU B2002]

Maybe Jacksonville fans are exempt from this. They are just drunk and/or sad.

Watch it now, that's the hottest team in the AFC you are talking about.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Start your other guy.

Grow a pair Rodgers (and/or doctor/McCarthy/front office).

Yeah, I did.  Problem is I have a bunch of Packers receivers, too.  Grrr. 

[muarmy81]

He had a scan yesterday.

Then why wasn't he ruled out on the 12th?

[GGGG]

Agreed.  I doubt it's Rodgers's, but I also doubt it's just the doctor's.

So what is your theory?  That Rodgers could push the issue but he didn't really want to?

[NavinRJohnson]

Then why wasn't he ruled out on the 12th?

You really don't know? When was the Cowboys last practice? This stuff is not complicated.

[NavinRJohnson]

Agreed.  I doubt it's Rodgers's, but I also doubt it's just the doctor's.

He had a scan Thursday, and was not cleared to play.

[muarmy81]

He had a scan Thursday, and was not cleared to play.

...then he practices Friday and is ruled out the same day, sounds like he was still feeling pain.

[NavinRJohnson]

...then he practices Friday and is ruled out the same day, sounds like he was still feeling pain.

Not sure what about a scan that didn't come back clean is hard to understand. Flynn took the first team reps, and Rodgers did nothing but some throwing on Friday.

[Hards Alumni]

Same old Jay

[DegenerateDish]

Same old Jay

How so? He clearly can't follow through off the ankle.

[wadesworld]

Same old Jay

Loves to turn the ball over. I would take a much physically less gifted quarterback who values the football over Jay. Turnovers are death in the NFL, and nobody turns it over better than Jay Cutler.

McCown >>> Cutler

And yes I realize Cutler's physical tools >>> McCown's physical tools.

Please resign him. And please play him against the Pack.

[Hards Alumni]

How so? He clearly can't follow through off the ankle.

Because he isn't running the system.  He i playing hurt, and hurting his team.  Making bad throws and bad decisions.

I'm not sure how this is arguable.

[DegenerateDish]

Because he isn't running the system.  He i playing hurt, and hurting his team.  Making bad throws and bad decisions.

I'm not sure how this is arguable.

It's completely arguable. If the coaching staff decided to play him hurt. If he's not 100%, hard to argue "same 'ol".

[jesmu84]

Because he isn't running the system.  He i playing hurt, and hurting his team.  Making bad throws and bad decisions.

I'm not sure how this is arguable.

So the "same old jay" is one who is physically unable to make throws?

I'll be the first one to say Cutler shouldn't be playing today. And I want to see mccown soon. But jay isn't making the mental mistakes today - that would be "same old jay"

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Loves to turn the ball over. I would take a much physically less gifted quarterback who values the football over Jay. Turnovers are death in the NFL, and nobody turns it over better than Jay Cutler.

McCown >>> Cutler

And yes I realize Cutler's physical tools >>> McCown's physical tools.

Please resign him. And please play him against the Pack.

Just stop. Youre not a Bears fan and youre just being obnoxious. I dont comment on Packers personel decisions.